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    Quoting that in next month's OP.

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    If someone with the power to be sanctioning transfer bids rates Jesse Lingard at thirty-odd million quid then that explains a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Buying British is just pure folly at this point. Any decent team must have a couple of prospects knocking about in their academy's. Just promote them, fill the bench with them and crack on with signing Johnny Foreigner for a quarter of what you'd pay for fucking Maddison.
    i agree with the theory generally, but i think maddison is genuinely a bit special. maddison > grealish

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    They're slightly different. Maddison is more of a sort of prettier Lampard type figure. Grealish is a pure technician. Love watching them both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    They're slightly different. Maddison is more of a sort of prettier Lampard type figure. Grealish is a pure technician. Love watching them both.
    In theory, an england midfield 3 with j madz alongside a shitkicker and grealish in front would be boss.

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    Would need to be a world class shitkicker against the better teams, but we should already be fielding that in qualifiers vs the shite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by igor_balis View Post
    i agree with the theory generally, but i think maddison is genuinely a bit special. maddison > grealish
    I was using Maddison as the example because he was the last Brit mentioned, but yeah, he's decent. I'm not convinced you couldn't get a comparable Spaniard for a quarter of the price though.

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    Why buy a Spaniard before you know what way Great Brexit will treat forriners going forward? Quarter of the price is expensive if you can pick them.

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    Nothing's going to particularly change desperation chops.

    And even if it did, it'd probably be better to have the 'EU national' in the country and working before any change comes along as, sorry to break it to you, people aren't going be getting put on boats come the end of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    Nothing's going to particularly change desperation chops.

    And even if it did, it'd probably be better to have the 'EU national' in the country and working before any change comes along as, sorry to break it to you, people aren't going be getting put on boats come the end of the year.
    Break it to me? I’m just wondering who broke it to you.

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    If foreigners aren't allowed in Ireland will have to start producing decent players again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    If foreigners aren't allowed in Ireland will have to start producing decent players again.
    That ship sailed about 15 years ago and we didn’t put anything in place to counter it. It’s not really going to change anything for us at all.
    In the long run I’d love if you had foreigner limits there.

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    We will never have any kind of limits, even if it means the government giving football an arbitrary exemption. The Premier League is great business as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    We will never have any kind of limits, even if it means the government giving football an arbitrary exemption. The Premier League is great business as it is.
    That’s what I was more wondering before the Ingurrrluund oi oi oi twins jumped on me above. Has there been any chatter about an exemption or is it all up in the air?

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    It won't even need any kind of exception. When was the last time someone from outside the EU struggled to get a work permit?

    They're coming here to earn and spend millions. They're not Thai kitchen staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    When was the last time someone from outside the EU struggled to get a work permit?
    About twice a fucking summer on my FM15 save.

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    They probably have some kind of unofficial exemption as it is, although if you were Mansfield and tried to bring in someone from Brazil you'd probably struggle.

    The only thing that could really change would be the possibility of the Bosman ruling no longer applying, but I don't really know enough to be able to judge the implications of that.

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    Liverpool: Adrian; Milner, Gomez, Phillips, Williams; Lallana, Chirivella, Jones, Elliott; Minamino, Origi.
    Subs: Kelleher, Mane, Henderson, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Brewster, Hoever, Larouci.
    Everton: Pickford; Mina, Holgate, Coleman, Digne; Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, Sidibe, Walcott; Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin.
    Subs: Stekelenberg, Baines, Keane, Delph, Bernard, Davies, Kean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Arne View Post
    Liverpool: Adrian; Milner, Gomez, Phillips, Williams; Lallana, Chirivella, Jones, Elliott; Minamino, Origi.
    Subs: Kelleher, Mane, Henderson, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Brewster, Hoever, Larouci.
    Everton: Pickford; Mina, Holgate, Coleman, Digne; Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, Sidibe, Walcott; Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin.
    Subs: Stekelenberg, Baines, Keane, Delph, Bernard, Davies, Kean.
    Nope.

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    Oops.

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    I was thinking about Bosman, but doesn't that now apply more widely than the EU context out of which it grew - ie isn't it the official FIFA position now that players who are no longer contracted to a club are no longer their property, so to speak?

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    Employment law would trump a sports body though wouldn’t it?

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    No idea, I was more getting at that the bosman ruling itself is so much a part of the modern football landscape that simply no longer being bound by the legal constructs it grew out of won't make it go away.

    What happens when a non-EU football contract expires (ie for a player in South America)? Can they leave their club without bother? Or are they pre-bosman?

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    Then again, if the law was more important than sports bodies then we probably wouldn’t have transfer fees at all.

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    I'm sure I've read of cases whereby clubs in the likes of China, Qatar and other questionable regimes have held people against their will after contract expiry and confiscated passports etc, though I honestly can't remember names or details.

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    Teams usually go full strength once they reach the semi-final. Cups still matter. Just not until the final 4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    I'm sure I've read of cases whereby clubs in the likes of China, Qatar and other questionable regimes have held people against their will after contract expiry and confiscated passports etc, though I honestly can't remember names or details.
    FSG when Arsenal activated Suarez's release clause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    I'm sure I've read of cases whereby clubs in the likes of China, Qatar and other questionable regimes have held people against their will after contract expiry and confiscated passports etc, though I honestly can't remember names or details.
    You're thinking of Zahir Belounis.

    He was in a dispute over unpaid wages from 2010 but because in Qatar, the employer has control over exit visas under the Kafala system, he was unable to leave the country. Belounis threatened to go on hunger strike to draw attention to his cause and in 2013, he wrote an open letter to 2022 World Cup ambassadors Zinedine Zidane and Pep Guardiola to garner support.FIFA declined to take up his case as Belounis had appealed via the Qatari authorities and not through FIFA.


    After 19 months he was granted an exit visa and left Qatar to return to France Belounis admitted that during his time awaiting an exit visa he had planned to leave Qatar illegally, considered suicide and had turned to alcohol to help him cope with his situation

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    I was thinking more along the lines of what happens when player x at club y outside of the EU runs down his contract, not what happens when Mesut Ozil tries to sign for someone in China.

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    If FM two or three years ago is right then he sits there in paid purgatory until the club decides to sell or release him. However it may not be right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    I was thinking more along the lines of what happens when player x at club y outside of the EU runs down his contract, not what happens when Mesut Ozil tries to sign for someone in China.
    It's whatever local contract law is. English teams would be under UEFA law however so it would still apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bam View Post
    If they offer £75m then Villa are taking it all day long.
    What's a sustainable return to the Prem worth? If we sell him we're 90% down. Zero chance and he wouldn't push for it either.

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    After 19 months he was granted an exit visa and left Qatar to return to France Belounis admitted that during his time awaiting an exit visa he had planned to leave Qatar illegally, considered suicide and had turned to alcohol to help him cope with his situation
    I thought there was no alcohol in Qatar?

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    Incorrect.

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    Expats with a license for personal consumption or bars/ hotels / whatever can do it.

    And obviously the FAN ZONES at the World Cup will be all over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Arne View Post

    Has the little paedo left his club there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mellberg View Post
    What's a sustainable return to the Prem worth? If we sell him we're 90% down. Zero chance and he wouldn't push for it either.
    Cant see it happening in January, always going to be cheaper in the summer especially if he cant keep Villa in the league. Going to be tough with McGinn, Heaton and Wesley injured, really cruel run of luck.

    I think most seasons even with those injuries Villa would be fine but this season seems far more competitive at the bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    Has the little paedo left his club there?
    Excuse me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Arne View Post
    Excuse me?
    I’d read somewhere the other week that Akinades club were replacing him with a different import. Is it that they can only have one or something?

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    Brewster has gone on loan to Swansea for the rest of the season. Will be interesting to see if he's capable of staying fit for 6 months and/or if he's any good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    Cant see it happening in January, always going to be cheaper in the summer especially if he cant keep Villa in the league. Going to be tough with McGinn, Heaton and Wesley injured, really cruel run of luck.

    I think most seasons even with those injuries Villa would be fine but this season seems far more competitive at the bottom.
    It's a tough ask, but at least all these injuries have happened in December, meaning there's scope to replace them in January. Drinkwater has come in today on loan, which is pretty uninspiring, but could work. We're okay in goal imo, but we definitely need at least one centre forward. Benteke needs to come on loan and let's see if we can get him playing again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    I’d read somewhere the other week that Akinades club were replacing him with a different import. Is it that they can only have one or something?
    Ah, I'd almost forgotten about him. Yeah, we released him end of the season. He's had s few trials with other V. League teams. I think he's gonna sign with Thanh Hoa.

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    Rumours Young might leave in January. I mean he's shit but we've barely got a squad as it is.

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    I'm sure there's a downside to Young leaving but it doesn't immediately spring to mind.

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    To Inter?
    I'm a twit

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    I was surprised to see Inter are top of the league. Kudos to Sarri if he manages to break the streak.

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    Hopefully, they do. Napoli has been fighting for a few years, but always seemed to run out of energy at the final hurdle. Juventus have like 7 league titles in a row.

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    Sorry to piss on your chips, but it's eight. Milan the last team not called Juventus to win it, which was in 2011.

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