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You realise it's a vote by members right? And here is how you get on the ballot:Originally Posted by Yevrah
• Each candidate needs 10% of Labour MPs/MEPs to back them
• Plus nominations from unions or 5% of constituency parties
• Labour members / supporters each get 1 vote & rank candidates in order of preference
In what way does him being the leader or not change how much influence he has?
So you don't think he'll be doing any canvassing to help people get support? And if he's influencing nothing while being there, why is he there?
Do you think he wouldn't be doing that if he wasn't leader?
Yev, my entire point is 'It doesn't matter' you're yet to even explain one reason it will.
Having him as leader makes that far easier.
How?
I'm just trying to get some very basic answers here Yev and you're not really nailing it.
I've answered all of the questions, the reality is that you still won't have any criticism of him, despite what he's done. Don't worry, you're not alone.
What the fuck are you on about? I've literally never voted for himAll I said is, it doesn't matter.
You think it doesn't matter because you think he's a force for good and you can't get your head around him being the exact opposite. You think he's good, why would there be any problem with him hanging around as a result?
What an absolutely fucking mental leap you've taken there. Did a quick search for my last few posts about Corbyn. These are them.
Clearly I'm in the JEZ WE CAN brigade.
This perception that people didn't vote Labour solely because of Jeremy Corbyn is an odd one for me. I'm of belief it was more to do with people just wanting to get Brexit over and done with.
Brainwashed.
Fair point with the quotes Phonics.
It would have been a lot closer with Labour having a coherant position on Brexit, but the reality is that after 9 years of mostly shite from the Tories it should have been a landslide for Labour, not the other way around.
I agree it would have been a lot closer if their stance on Brexit had been clearer but I think you forget about the 2017 GE and how well they did there with Corbyn. I think they would have fared even better back then too if it wasn't for the fact that inparty fighting seemed to rear its ugly head.
No one seemed to care back then about Corbyns history and some of the policies in that manifesto were very popular. This GE's even more so.
I don't think your statement is reality and it's more that they were the only party offering to get Brexit done. The Brexit Party gaining so many votes was telling too as I can imagine those who voted for them did so because they didn't want to vote Conservatives and couldn't vote Labour given their stance on leaving, or rather negotiating a new deal (more time) then campaigning to remain anyway.
Labour left as it is will get more votes in the next GE even if nothing much changes with the party itself unless of course the Conservatives suddenly do something the party has never done and look out for the majority, invest and improve the areas they have recently won seats in.
It's just a strange thought process to have I feel and it's not so black and white.
Labour reverted to the mean. They hit 40% of the vote share last time out.
Combination of "Don't trust Jezza" and "Get Brexit done" was enough but the Tories didn't really change the number of people who voted for them.
I remember it well and this is where your point falls down. "Doing well" still saw him 50 seats short of a majority.
That the 2017 election was hailed as some sort of success or a good result for Labour just shows you how shit deep down people really think he is.
This is a nonsense too. The general election isn't decided by vote share and until it is it's utterly meaningless bringing it up. The only reason people do is to polish a turd when it suits their polishing argument.
40% is a ridiculously high vote share at any UK election.
You've got some bizarre notion that I'm also defending pro-Corbyn so you knock yourself out. Continue having the argument with yourself.
That poor broom is getting the shit kicked out of it tonight.
It's the same argument GS used to use to defend "Rafa". "We would have won the league with that points total in any other season".
You didn't hold any truck with it then so you shouldn't be now.
Vote share is such an irrelevance, to win a General Election in this country you need to have a broad appeal among different types of what are now called 'communities'. Corbyn has presided over concentrating all of their appeal on urban middle class and ethnic minorities, in every other strand of society they are dropping like a stone.
In 2017 Theresa May also failed to appeal to enough different sectors of the country, but Boris Johnson succeeded in broadening his party's appeal and that's how they won. An overall vote share rise of only 1.5% or whatever it is doesn't speak to that, but that and not the vote share is what counts in our system.
Yev you have to stop thinking every one who pushes back at you is some Corbynista. You're just making shitty points.
I'm making excellent points. Did you miss the vote share one?
In terms of the day-to-day running of the country I reckon it's only really been two years of ineptitude, and that was largely down to not being willing or able to do anything else. The coalition was probably about as good as it could have been in the circumstances. I think Boris - which I am going to start calling him without any irony - will be pretty good, albeit with far too much pissing money up the wall for my tastes.
You get the sense with Boris Johnson that he'll just make it as he goes along before tangling himself up in his web of lies. Unfortunately with no reasonable opposition and a Conservative majority to boot, he'll probably get away with it too.
In my mind, you just write off everything until Brexit done. No investment in public services, the 30,000 extra nurses etc that won't arrive, the NHS slowly but surely being sold off on the sly and whatever other rubbish is involved but leaving the EU is probably the most important issue so as there can be no excuses thereafter as I do feel the GE this time round was pretty much another referendum.
I prefer to play it safe and just brace yourself for the worse and be pleasantly surprised if that doesn't materialise. If he had any nous about him though he would invest heavily up north and with immediate effect as by doing so he may actually retain the voters who decided to go blue for the first time. If he doesn't, they'll return to Labour and still, nothing will change. I'd rather get away from the bitterness that lingers around the vote as it's been too many years of the same conversation and seemingly very little action.
I imagine we'll end up leaving the EU without a deal, face a few more years of uncertainty, struggle to put in place new deals with the rest of the world and see our public services grind to a halt. The really fucked up thing is it's Corbyn who would have sent us back to the stone ages apparently when it could be quite the opposite.
Fully expecting riots, deaths, military on the streets and a defunct parliament before the next GE.
Replace riots with 'demonstrations and petitions' and you might be right. Even Gina Miller's packed in.
That's pretty good.
Less than week in and the backtracking already starts with the national living wage.
#2019 #GetBrexitDone
Much better than Scummo's shit cunt smirk.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ok#maincontent
Lol.
This is where I work.
Isn't 'least unsafe' another way of saying 'safest'?
Not really, because it's acknowledging that all the options are unsafe.
EDIT: I suppose it technically is, but in the same way as asking which is best disease to have, inoperable cancer or full blown AIDs.
Is it? I feel like pretty much everything a hospital does is dangerous to some extent, from giving a couple of paracetamol to scooping someone's insides out. Given the choice, I'd like the 'least unsafe' solution to my problem possible.
It means keeping the clammy-handed sicknote away from the [other] patients.
Hang tight, lad. I'm sure Trump's sending us some American doctors as part of the trade deal.
I think it's fairly obvious the implication is they were having to choose between what would normally be considered 5th, 6th and 7th safest options (for example).
If Arlene has really been having an affair with her driver, how hard up must the poor cunt of a lad be?
What does she need a driver for? They've not had a functioning Parliament for donkeys.
For the same reason the whole shower can keep getting paid for doing nothing. Because she can.
These graphs are mental. The country will be broken for a good two-three election cycles
It's the Trump effect. He has more soft power than anyone realizes.
I just really like the fact that Brighton would still stay Green under that scenario.
Don't think so, every western country has their own Trump or similar lightning rod for those who have not benefited from globalisation in the last 30 years.
It's more a Brexit effect.
Old people haven’t suddenly been fobbed off in the last 10 years. They’re essentially just propaganda receptors waiting for the Douglas Murray type to make it in politics to activate then
I'm not sure how much winning and losing from 'globalisation' applies across the board. As a few people pointed out the other week, you are more likely to own (or reasonably aspire to own) your own home in a 'deprived' area than you are in London, so you can easily make the case that the average Stoke-on-Workington mouth-breather is better off in real terms than the Citizens of the World in Central London revelling in winning at globalisation from the comfort of their thousand quid a month rathole.
It's not about money though in this case, it's about feelings.
Then they are fucked.
You could say the over 65s have only shunned Labour in the last two elections because they can actually remember the last time we had the sort of government Jez was promising, and weren't as bang up for it as the under-25 fuckwit brigade. Just get someone to promise them their pensions, a few other perks, and no return to the 1970s and enough of them will come back.
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