It's such a curious turn of events.Originally Posted by Lewis
It's such a curious turn of events.
Lampard probably just got an old 2005 tactics sheet off his hard drive and changed the names on it.
Oh dear, here goes Gaz Nev - social commentator.
What's he saying?
The abuse the Bulgarians got when England went out there and the way the press vilified an entire country when its been rife in England for ages makes it all seem to little too late in my mind.
Even the kick it out bollocks proved years ago they are just all talk.
Son seems to be developing a bit of a problem with red cards. That's 2(3) in about half a season.
Glorious day all round in the football really.
Saying we are in no position to lecture Bulgaria about racism. We are, actually, as here it is 1-2 idiots and swiftly dealt with, whereas there it is an entire stand of ultras and widely encouraged/welcomed by the football and political establishment.
If Rudiger told Dave that he had been on the end of some racist shit... then why didn't Dave just take the team off? What am I missing? (Except for Dave being Spanish)
I’m Eastern European and racism is utterly ingrained in Eastern European culture in a way it isn’t in England.
All these Welsh/Irish/Scottish angry types trying to call out the English for hypocrisy just to get one over them is so lol
There is a protocol which they follow, the first stage is a stadium PA warning and they have done that.
He's only saying it now though, he was as bad as every one else when the country was giving it to the Bulgarians. Since then there's been a number of high profile incidents that have been caught/reported.
Every single country seemingly has an issue with it. It won't be stopped by football anyway as it's not an issue that's solely sports related. It's everywhere. Even our new PM is a racist cock.
It's alright, we can get Stormzy on to address (berate the country on) the racism issue, as he did so succinctly with La Republica or whoever it was the other day. Italians get it.
How are they even looking at the penalty when he’s a yard offside?
I don't think it's a reflection on England, it's a reflection on the UK as a whole. Wales is every bit as racist as anywhere else. I never knew how bad until I got with Banana. Just the way she was treated by even bank clerks etc surprised me. She too was Eastern European.
Case in point actually, the likes of Wrexham which voted leave the UK, I imagine large swarms of that was racial as over the last 10-15 years it went from barely seeing a foreign person to being overloaded with Europeans.
Last edited by Smjffy; 22-12-2019 at 06:20 PM.
There are 50,000 people or whatever in the stadium, 1,000 of them are probably racist, the difference is whether one of the 1,000 feels like expressing that in the form of abuse. That cannot be policed by Boris Johnson or anyone else.
It is self-policing.
Doesn’t help that he’s an open racist though, does it?
I would say it makes absolutely no difference to anything whether he is or not.
No doubt. Every club has them, I just don't see why football should be expected to sort it out. Highlight the person, kick them out the stadium and make it a criminal matter. It just strikes me as though football has taken the microphone for things like racism when it's barely even football related. Those who are racist in the stadium are every bit as racist outside it.
It should be the law policing it. The only benefit of it happening in a stadium is you can zoom in on said person/people. That said, UK is one of the most watched countries on the planet so I don't know why we don't just round them all up and be done with them. Probably save a few quid.
I think it's a reflection of how much more prominent identity politics is now than it used to be. As we saw today there are a lot of people out there who get very, very upset (for reasons I don't understand) about Stormzy being able to express an opinion.
It all started when Liverpool failed to condemn Luis Suarez.
Of course it does
Can anyone link me a clip on what Neville said about what’s going on in the stadium. I can’t find anything.
Would it not be 26000?
Even using your logic, Tottenham was about 80% remain.
That is a stonking result for us. Could be a season-maker.
Nah. Peter Schmeichel getting away from it scot free probably set the ball rolling as it ties in with Blair opening the gates to the country.
Smiff trying to blame Man Utd for racism and then saying something racist is top stuff.
Yeah, was only a flippant remark anyway. The vote was for disillusionment for a multitude of reasons. Every country is racist to some extent though, I think the only reason this gets played up so much is that your media love to portray that you’re the only ones that don’t.
On the ball, that was indeed a very good performance, I quite like this Lampard side. Spurs are still spurs anyway, regardless of management or fancy stadium - slightest bit of expectation and the shit the bed. They’re such a gutless club.
Last edited by Giggles; 22-12-2019 at 06:50 PM.
You think that's bad? I shit you not I had to delete donkey out of
as I was going to say donkey's years then thought fuck.I only did that because I saw the Depay thing on YouTube too.
I think you do raise a point that should be explored though in that some people are racist, some say something racist without even being aware it's racist and then you have others who are so confused by it all because they themselves have never been subjected to anything close to it so how does one even relate?
Last edited by Smjffy; 22-12-2019 at 06:39 PM.
Come on out Waff with your Mount hate. Boy is mature beyond his years and has a top tier touch.
Fair play to Gary for calling out the Premier League itself there live on Sky, that's a fairly ballsy move.
EDIT: And Dave Jones absolutely shat himself in response.
Quotes?
Gary: The Premier League hides behind the FA on this sort of thing, it needs to stand up and do something (and then a load of stuff about how racism is accepted in political parties so of course it happens in football).
Dave: Those are the views of Gary Neville, not the views of Sky Sports.
Gary: Do you not agree with them, Dave?
Dave: It doesn't matter whether I agree with them or not.
Proper rights holder poo hitting the deck there.
Go on the Gerreh.
Can’t be bothered to do tweet tags on mobile. Here’s the video
https://twitter.com/ryanbaldifw/stat...073181185?s=21
He played well, but then so did everyone. I think that sort of game suits him. He’s useless against teams where creativity is needed.
The protocol is shit. You shouldn't get three warnings on this. Time for players, the captain's, to stand by their mates and drag the team off immediately. The authorities aren't doing anything about it, so time for the players to act. Azpilicueta should have done something about it, and hopefully next time, he will.
Was it at Spurs where Aubameyang got a banana chucked at him?
They didn't get three warnings. It was one warning issued three times.
I know players are not that smart, but they have to start leaving the field and going home if they really care about racism.
I don't understand the lack of action from players of the offending fan base. When it happened at City a couple of weeks ago, why isn't Sterling - vocal as he is on this subject - doing something about it? A show of support for the opposing players. Same goes here. Why isn't Kane going over to the fans? Do something. Some bullshit stadium announcement is going to do anything.
Spot on. Time to take it into their own hands. Forget the three warning, or one warning three times. It's bullshit.
It is asinine in the extreme to blame players for not walking off when there is absolutely no evidence that the authorities would back them up in any way for doing so.
The players hold the real power though. If there were no games then shit really hits the fan and the authorities would have few options.
The problem is that the main issue for the vast majority of them is the bank balance, not whether they or a colleague is getting racially abused.
The authorities don't seem to be doing a lot a the moment, so I don't see a problem with the players taking their own action, regardless if anyone backs them up. Also, sports aside, if a mate of yours is receiving racist abuse, you do something about it - something more than telling the ref and playing on.
I really don’t understand walking off. If players started doing that then some loser at every game would realize little insignificant he had the power to stop a major premier league football match just by yelling “nigger” loudly once. It would happen at every single match. Walking off is capitulating and giving some failure of a person all the power in the world
You saw what happened in the USA when NFL players started not even walking off, but doing a harmless kneel at the start of the game. If players started going on strike here they would be hammered. Most of them probably think why should we take all the flak when it's us getting abused.
Big Pete and Ian Wright, Suarez and Evra, Terry and Ferdinand, Rio Ferdinand and Ashley Cole with the choc ice business, Silvas tweet just of the top of my head so it's a bit rich for players to be taking the morale highground as though it's just a select number supporters and the punishments have never been just. Supporters banned for life, players given a fine and a couple of games suspension.
I liked what Neville said but it's not just from politics fuelling it when it's been there for a number of years.
I believe it simply needs to be handed over the the police and the fill extent of the law used irrespective of who says it. Sterling was quick to voice his concerns which was good but then he let himself down by defending Silva. Blaming politics and Johnson isn't the right way to go either given its the media, supporters, individuals from certain parties (UKIP was rampant with it), the wider public, the grief Stormzy got on twitter was telling as well. Although I attribute that to people who aren't racist taking offence as he cited the UK is and I can imagine people felt that as an attack on them even though they aren't racist themselves, leave voters constantly called racist xenophobes by media another.
It's good that the discussion is behind had but talking about it won't change anything until serious action is taken. That Anthony Burke fella being an example. Arrested, released on bail and you know nothing else will come of it.
Black people also have to take some criticism themselves as they have been known to refer to each other as n***** whilst calling whites cracker Jack's or whatever. Then there's the Muslims who have had it bad.
I remember the Manchester bombing and how sad it was but one thing that popped into my head was how much I felt for Muslims who wake up the following day and have to go to work after it.
Then there's those we continually give coverage too with racial slurs hence the media being to blame too. Its simply not something which is just sports related but I think the lack of punishments in the past have helped too. Chelsea fans abusing the by guy on the train as an example. Then you have the stereotypes like when United sang about Lukaku or even Liverpool with Origi.
Where do you even begin to stamp it out is what I wonder.
Jesus. As timing would have it, I log into Twitter to see Katie Price attacking Stormzy and Nigel Farage being in line for a knighthood.
Fuckin' hell.
Walking off the pitch was something that should have been done ages ago but won't do any good now. That ship has long since sailed due to the ref (in theory) being able to cancel the game, which he never will of course.
Racism will never die. However, people do not have to stand for it. Walking off makes a statement. It's just stupid how we are about to be in 2020 it hasn't happened on the biggest stage yet.
I'm inclined to disagree. Walking off merely stops the game, it doesn't stop racism and you can almost guarantee if a team does walk off the focus will be on praising them for walking off in the face of racism but then again, what does that actually do in the grand scheme of things?. If a person is racist then they are racist whether they are watching a football game or sitting at home behind a computer.
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