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    Cleganebowl get hype

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    I reckon we get Grey Worm attacking The Mountain and getting turned inside out, then we get Cleganebowl, where we lose The Hound and then Arya to stick the final knife into the dead undead guy.

    But in seriousness some things about Ep 4 just made no sense. The biggest being how off Bronn was. It was almost like that was the first time the 3 of them had met, never mind the 2 brothers being basically the only friends he has.

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    That scene was shit in a hundred ways. He's going against two people with whom he has significant history, and who he knows to be true to their word for someone he knows to be a fucking headbanger. They've basically made him a cackling villain, presumably so in the next episode they can write to an 'OH SHIT' moment when he has one of them dead to rights, followed by an 'OH PHEW' moment when he does what Spikey suggested.

    Given how the writing of this season has gone, I wouldn't bet against them doing the ultimate cliche action beat, where Bronn seems to have the crossbow trained on Jaime, but when he fires the bolt actually flies over his shoulder and wipes out some hitherto unseen attacker who was about to have Jaime's head off. Then they'll nod and smile, and we get a quick shot of Cersei looking dismayed because she's somehow sensed that she's been had.

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    That was pretty shit but I did obviously lol at Tormund (and weep with him when Brienne chose Jamie) and when Mother of Bullshit lost her second dragon.

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    Neuer and IF Volland from more of these minor league packs about 5k down from before I packed them. Seems almost rigged right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Merse View Post
    Neuer and IF Volland from more of these minor league packs about 5k down from before I packed them. Seems almost rigged right now.
    Not a chance any of them end up on the Iron Throne.

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    IF Volland does have a cracking claim tbf.

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    Never mind, IF Volland, I'm all about this now:
    Toggle Spoiler

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    I missed that I'd pulled the old multiple tabs mistake last night

    Watched back again tonight, as on first viewing I was knackered (I did the 2am one again). I think I failed to appreciate how shit Bronn's scene was, in agreement with everyone here it seems... If he genuinely fucks off now then they've totally ruined his character with one fell swoop.

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    He went from right up there to absolute toilet in one scene.

    I've also just realised that we're not going to get anymore Tormund (I assume) so we've lost another one of the better characters all in one episode.

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    Think that was the same interview where he said there wasn't enough budget for Jon Snow to say goodbye to the Direwolf that people thought would be a key plotpoint for the shows entire run.

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    I'm normally on the "it's not that bad" side of these arguments but honestly it's fucking depressing how terrible the writing has got compared to when they had source material.

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    They can still write but they don't have the time/willingness to. Episode 2 was exactly what I'd expect if the show adapted from the book but everything else has been mostly bunkem with a couple of flourishes thrown in.

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    They've just lost who the characters actually are. The action and the drama is still great, but the characters have all either become caricatures of themselves or, in the case of Bronn, abandoned who they are to fit the story line.

    A lesson in finishing the fucking books before letting Hollywood get their hands on your shit.

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    George wont finish them before he dies.

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    Will he bother at all? It will probably be a ghost written rush job now. You have to wonder how much say he's had in how it ends, because it's a massive drop in quality. From possibly being too detailed to fucking up the basics.

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    He's being saying 'THIS YEAR LADS' since 2015 IIRC.

    He's more interested in making money by doing any old shit with as little effort as possible.

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    That episode was stupid. Davos must be the only one up there with some sense, but they never use him.

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    He wants 'Dany' out.

    He knew about the Iron Fleet and he's the only one who actually knows about boats. It was planned.

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    I can only assume that he, or some other goon on their side, is going to buy off the Golden Company (or it's all a ruse to begin with).

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    Tyrion is drafting a deal to give them 2 of the 7 kingdoms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Will he bother at all? It will probably be a ghost written rush job now. You have to wonder how much say he's had in how it ends, because it's a massive drop in quality. From possibly being too detailed to fucking up the basics.
    I was talking about this to somebody yesterday. It's like he's told them "Here are the main remaining big events" but without his padding to work from they've gone "Great!" and just sprinted through them. Which is odd given it presumably makes them a squillion quid.

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    I think they have definitely made huge errors with the pacing and some of the stupid plot holes in this season (and the past few), but they have been dealt a shitty hand. They came into this to adapt a story and they've since had to come up with effectively 3-4 seasons of original screenplay, which is inevitably compared to a very detailed and nuanced original book series.

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    The gaps between books getting published were getting bigger, they might have guessed he wasn't going to have finished the last two in time for them to want to finish their show. Unless they were hoping he'd at least release the sixth one and they could spin a few more series out of that alone.

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    The way the books were/are going is pretty much unfilmable anyway. Jon Connington RIP in pieces.

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    I'm not even sure at this point if I'm going to want to bother with the rest of the books once they're eventually out. Sure what happens along the way will be different but do I care if I know the ultimate outcomes anyway?

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    I'm pretty sure D&D didn't want to do anything past the Red Wedding really. They've just been phoning it in since then.

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    https://www.nme.com/news/george-rr-m...-wrote-2486780

    George R.R. Martin has said he’d have preferred it if HBO had depicted Game of Thrones in the exact same way he’d written the novels that the show is based upon.

    Admitting that some of the deviation was due to his own shortcomings, Martin added: “Some of the deviation, of course, is because I’ve been so slow with these books. I really should’ve finished this thing four years ago – and if I had, maybe it would be telling a different story here. It’s two variations of the same story, or a similar story, and you get that whenever anything is adapted.”

    He's such a cunt.

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    Has he told the programme how to end it, or have they just decided their own ending?

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    He's told them how the book is finishing I believe, but the show is significantly different enough from the books for them to do as they wish.

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    You'd think the broad sweep of it would be similar in terms of Cersei v the Good Guys Coalition at the end, but there is about 1000% more bullshit to trawl through in the books in order to get there.

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    Is tonight the last episode? Can't remember.

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    One tonight, last one next week.

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    I saw some Twitter thread the other day that sought to defend the last few series on the grounds that the books had so much wank in them that they had to spend a couple of shit series lining everything up (five and six?), and then quickly wrap it up even if that meant turning everyone into an idiot to force various conclusions. That seems like it makes sense based on what I know of the books. Is that fair?

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    I've only read the first book (in the last few weeks) and honestly it doesn't feel like there's a whole lot of bloat in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    I've only read the first book (in the last few weeks) and honestly it doesn't feel like there's a whole lot of bloat in it.
    Wait until you get to Meereen. I understand what GRRRRM is trying to achieve with the stint there, but it's still such a slog to get through.

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    The fourth book is complete filler and the fifth is about a third to half.

    The rest don't have too much bloat.

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    It's the same stuff but with about 10 extra storylines involving people who don't appear in the TV version, Victarion Greyjoy being the dullest in a dull field.

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    Is the extra Targaryen even mentioned in the series?

    The big clue for me is all the plot development that's gone on without any main characters being killed off, not very George that one.

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    Nope, no Young Griff in the series. No Victarion, no Quentyn Martell (probably for the best that one), and no sign of Lady Stoneheart either.

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    It's been surprising to me realising how important Young Griff is to a lot of what's happening towards the end, what with the show cutting that entire part. In the books before I was always a bit confused what it was all leading up to, but I can see the part it would play in all this we're now seeing on screen, as well as giving a few characters that have done fuck all these past few seasons something to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Nope, no Young Griff in the series. No Victarion, no Quentyn Martell (probably for the best that one), and no sign of Lady Stoneheart either.
    No Strong Belwas either

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    I thought this week was great, much better than I expected and much better than the shambles of last week. The only bit I really disliked was the pointless fight between Jaime and Euron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SvN View Post
    I thought this week was great, much better than I expected and much better than the shambles of last week. The only bit I really disliked was the pointless fight between Jaime and Euron.
    Same all the way. I also thought the Varys arc was weirdly condensed, like the whole thing from start to finish took about 10 minutes. The rest of the episode was easily the best of the season though

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    Wot those 2 said ^

    But also with the standard moan about Dany’s performance (that look, presumably of pure rage when she turns fully mental, was woeful). Saying that, the build up was pretty decently done, the killer line about not being popular in Westeros basically turning this into Dragons at Columbine.

    Otherwise, ‘twas great and fulfils much of what the books and shows should have taught us - war is shit, civvies suffer at the hands of their lords and masters, familial traits are hard to shake off (inbreeding, durrrr).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Merse View Post
    Wot those 2 said ^

    But also with the standard moan about Dany’s performance (that look, presumably of pure rage when she turns fully mental, was woeful).
    Nah. Clarke in this episode is the best she has ever been on the show. That look was incredible.

    I hated the episode, but I'm too tired of the show to go into why.

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    Watching it now and I've had to pause.

    Why are the Iron Fleet, master of planning against dragons, fucked by one now? It just veers wildly from last week ffs.

    Golden Company (THE GREATEST SELLSWORD ARMY EVAR) even more pointless than the Dothraki, brilliant.

    Jesus she's thick as pigshit. 'We yield, the kingdom is yours', fuck it we'll burn the whole fucking castle, that'll show us.
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