Do you think your painful faux-detachment does likewise, as it has with your worthless approach to this thread?
Do you think your painful faux-detachment does likewise, as it has with your worthless approach to this thread?
My detachment from what?
No then.
Alright, Winston Jr
"Fundamentally uncivilised" is not the same thing as "culturally backwards".Originally Posted by Lewis
Are you still single Henners?
It is. Albeit further down the spectrum than somebody like Spain or America.
It isn't. Culture is incidental and changes all the time, I'm not sure how you can regard it as fundamental to the people themselves.
I have not been single in quite a long time.
Because in the cases of the places I am talking about it barely has over centuries.
What exactly is an Arab nowadays?
I'm a twit
You did not refer to the places. You referred to the people. The logical conclusion of what you wrote is that an Arab brought up in middle-class western society will still be uncivilised.
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The context in which I originally used the word 'people' is the same as references to the American people, or the British people, neither of which are an ethnicity, and which every subsequent post has expanded upon.
You're only allowed to clarify points if you're J Corbz.
Stupid womaple.
I reckon he said Arab.
When I was 19 I wrote a post about moral relativism, and Oimoi proceeded to absolutely destroy me.
Lewis' writing did not imply that an Arab person in a middle-class western society would be uncivilized. His writing does
seem to preclude Arab persons in Arab societies from being civilized, but talking about peoples lends itself to generalization--and, well, racism.
I'm not sure what Lewis means when he says the Middle East was a thousand years behind. In terms of economy and technology, no. The Ottoman Empire was a regular trade partner with European countries albeit not a significant one by the 19th century. Regions like Egypt adopted steam power in the 19th century, but it's worth noting that technological advancements had stalled until European science was translated and made available en masse in the late 18th century (I think, I'm not looking it up).
Culturally, though? The Ottoman Empire allowed the sex slave trade to go on until the early 20th century. In general, people were trash unless they were part of elite society. If we extend our criticism of peoples further east, India had a fucking caste system and still has an informal one.
If a country executes people for their political or religious beliefs, imprisons women for infidelity when they get raped, and happily lets foreign workers die on job sites, then it's a shit country. Saudi Arabia is a shit country. Saying that we don't "get" Wahhabism doesn't excuse it being a shit country. While the Saudis are the worst offenders, almost every single Middle Eastern country is a comparable shithole in terms of oppression and base hostility towards any person even slightly deemed 'other'.
Like much of Africa and Asia, the Middle East is generally shit at treating people humanely--be it for cultural reasons or economic restrictions--in the way that we reasonably expect in the western world.
In regards to Jews already being in Palestine by the end of the 19th century, well, the British started the Zionist movement in the early 19th century and supported Jewish persons emigrating to the region. It's not like the British only began wielding influence in the region at the beginning of its mandate in 1922.
And in regards to why do I care so much about Palestine, it's twofold: on the one hand, Israel is a disgusting country; on the other hand, my family is full of Lebanese people and I grew up with people yelling at the TV whenever Israel fucked up Lebanon or Palestine.
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So yes, the Arab world fucking sucks, which is evident by the continued religious conflicts, repression of civil liberties and human rights, and number of autocracies.
Almost every person I've met in Canada from Lebanon, Iran, Egypt and so on have been pretty great people...and they all recognize that there are major problems with the countries they come from.
Yeah man. Uncivilised.
They’re shit countries, and moral relativism is retarded, but the people are just people and that’s obviously what this thread was meant to be about
Shit-stomping aside, I was more looking to get into why we're still friendly with the royal families and such tbh.
Bullshit you did.
No you weren't you twat.
I was. Have you watched that documentary? It doesn't feature any normal people, just talks about the royal family.
That French spy was a fucking idiot though. You'd be gutted to have put your life in his hands.
What? The Indians are corruptable?
*Gallic shrug as you are dragged to your death*
I had no idea . . .
Criminal reoffends and is sent to "prison".
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