The All New Jobs Thread

[Spikey M]

Just been speaking to a woman INCANDESCENT with rage because little Billy has turned 18, got a job paying him £1500 per month and now the Council won't pay her rent.

"I'd understand if he was my boyfriend, BUT MY SON!!!"

I don't think they're fussed about the sleeping arrangements, love.

"Well, we can't afford to pay the rent now"

What about that £1500 your son earns each month?

"YOU WANT MY SON TO PAY THE RENT?!

No. I want you to pay the rent by balancing your household finances however you see fit.

"I CAN'T ASK MY SON TO PAY THE RENT!?"

Well, atleast he'll be dressed well while you all get evicted then.



She was northern too. Not sure if she was of the Yorkshire variety, but I'm with Jimmy in needing a job where I don't have to speak to these people please.

[Baz]

Is it pretty bullshit law that just cos he lives there, she gets fisted.

[Boydy]

Yeah, I'm with Baz here. He's only just turned 18. If he went to uni, would she be asked to pay more?

[Jimmy Floyd]

It certainly incentivises him moving out and, wait for it, increasing the housing demand. Lord knows we need that.

[Boydy]

1500 a month would barely be enough for him to afford his own place too (depends where it is, I suppose). Then if his job fucks up or something, where does he go? Seems like a fast track for creating more homelessness.

[Ian]

Well she was presumably getting help because she had a dependent in the house. That is no longer the case.

It's probably shit but how else would you do it? If he decides to live there until he's 50 should he be considered to be her baby boy forever?

[Spikey M]

The problem is that she's been sat on her arse not working for 18 years. She was babbling about him having to move out at one point, before I pointed out that he'd just have to pay the rent elsewhere.

One of the main problems with the Benefit system is that by paying their claimants rent direct to landlord, they've severed any sense of the rent being the claimants responsibility. That's why when circumstances change, people would rather get taken to court when they could actually afford their rent pretty easily and have more money left over than they did when they were on benefits.

They've tried to address this with Universal Credit by paying the Housing Element direct to claimants for them to pay their own rent, but this has an obvious flaw of its own.

[Spikey M]

1500 a month would barely be enough for him to afford his own place too (depends where it is, I suppose). Then if his job fucks up or something, where does he go? Seems like a fast track for creating more homelessness.

The rent we're talking about is less than £500 per month.

[Boydy]

I think a bigger problem with the benefits system is that that money goes to a private landlord at all.

[Spikey M]

I think a bigger problem with the benefits system is that that money goes to a private landlord at all.

Council owned tents is a brave idea, I'll give you that.

[Spikey M]

It certainly incentivises him moving out and, wait for it, increasing the housing demand. Lord knows we need that.

People say this but nothing ever comes of it. For what he's paying here he'd be lucky to rent a bedroom in a sharehouse as a private rental. It would have to be private too, because he'd be bottom of any Social / Council list if they even let him on it to start with.

[Manc]

18 years unemployed is some effort. I'd be brain dead after 18 months.

[Spikey M]

Well she was presumably getting help because she had a dependent in the house. That is no longer the case.

It's probably shit but how else would you do it? If he decides to live there until he's 50 should he be considered to be her baby boy forever?

Exactly this. Plus, there's people with 5 or 6 kids. They could easily have household earnings in excess of £100k per year. Are the Council meant to just keep paying anyway?

[Boydy]

I think raising the age to 21 would be good.

[Spikey M]

Now school doesn't finish until 18, there's probably some merit to that.

It wouldn't stop issues like this, mind. Her objection is to going cap in hand to her son, not to his age. It's just a shame she doesn't object strongly enough to get a job and pay her own rent.

[igor_balis]

This kind of story always reminds me of how mental it is (I reckon) that my mum managed to achieve what she has with her financial situation.

After my dad fucked off, she took on the mortgage alone with me (aged 5) and managed to pay it off by 2017ish, despite only making it to the dizzying heights of 17k/year in about 2010. I know millions struggle but I still dunno how she managed. Shame I inherited my father's financial skills.

[Shindig]

The kid should be paying his way. £1500 a month is not a pittance.

[Lofty]

18 years unemployed is some effort. I'd be brain dead after 18 months.

It's a miracle he didn't join the family business.

[igor_balis]

Tbf despite being a massive lefty socialist snowflake, I think her rent support should at the very least be reduced.

[Lofty]

She'll definitely be taking cash off him for food etc whilst pleading poverty to Spikey.

[igor_balis]

On gut instinct I'd have it something like, if the council previously paid your rent and you have a child who is now a legal adult who's earning over X/month, you have your rent support reduced by Y when they're 18-21 or something, then reduced more as they get older.

Some nerds can work out a formula for the actual amounts.

[Spikey M]

She'll definitely be taking cash off him for food etc whilst pleading poverty to Spikey.

Definitely. I've danced this dance many times before, this one was just a special breed of entitled cunt. I'll have he bank statements next week (if she plays ball), it's going to be beautiful. I wonder if she uses Just Eat or Uber most.

[Spikey M]

On gut instinct I'd have it something like, if the council previously paid your rent and you have a child who is now a legal adult who's earning over X/month, you have your rent support reduced by Y when they're 18-21 or something, then reduced more as they get older.

Some nerds can work out a formula for the actual amounts.

Fuck that. The current rule is fine. Housing Benefit is for families that can't afford their own rent and as soon as they can, they should. Age should largely be an irrelevance. If anything her 18 year old has less on his plate now than he will at 28.

[Kikó]

Not surprised spikey is effectively a Nazi Tory

[Offshore Toon]

If she's a cunt, she's probably a shit mum. If she's a shit mum, she won't want her son paying the rent and holding all the power in the house.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Definitely. I've danced this dance many times before, this one was just a special breed of entitled cunt. I'll have he bank statements next week (if she plays ball), it's going to be beautiful. I wonder if she uses Just Eat or Uber most.

£5 on Deliveroo.

[Lofty]

Not surprised spikey is effectively a Nazi Tory

Subletting a room in a house you live in for free thanks to the welfare state is peak Tory.

[Shindig]

Fuck that. The current rule is fine. Housing Benefit is for families that can't afford their own rent and as soon as they can, they should. Age should largely be an irrelevance. If anything her 18 year old has less on his plate now than he will at 28.

My parents had me paying board when I was on the dole. They kept it at the same amount once I started working, though. Legends. And the last thing you want is to overcomplicate the welfare system.

[Foe]

Tell her to become a lorry driver or work in hospitality. Apparently there’s openings.

[Andy]

I'm with Spikey on this, he should be paying his way. I'm sure most you who are against it would change your mind if you worked in council/social housing.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Heads have gone part 80. I'm the person who orders printing supplies for our office (such jobs are distributed among the regulars so they don't have to employ an office manager). Finance department called me to get a new black cartridge for one of their printers. I went upstairs to tell her it would be a couple of days for delivery. She immediately burst into tears.

I'm telling you. Gone.

[Ian]

You monster.

[Spikey M]

What a cunt.

[Yevrah]

Heads have gone part 80. I'm the person who orders printing supplies for our office (such jobs are distributed among the regulars so they don't have to employ an office manager). Finance department called me to get a new black cartridge for one of their printers. I went upstairs to tell her it would be a couple of days for delivery. She immediately burst into tears.

I'm telling you. Gone.

Everyone believes you now I think.

There's a Woman in my office that won't come in unless she's wearing a mask (even while sat at her desk), but I found out this morning (having not seen her for a while) that she's not been in as her and her entire family have COVID having caught it while holidaying abroad (or at some point on the way there or the way back).

I mean, how the hell does being so worried about it that you insist on wearing a mask in the office at all times reconcile with going on holiday?

[Baz]

Maybe she's a victim of domestic abuse and was forced to go on holiday by her abusive partner.

[Yevrah]

Maybe she's a victim of domestic abuse and was forced to go on holiday by her abusive partner.

You are good.

[Spikey M]

Well he should be more carbon aware.

[Offshore Toon]

Maybe she's a victim of domestic abuse and was forced to go on holiday by her abusive partner.

And only terrified of catching COVID because she knows what will happen if she passes it on to her partner.

Sheeeeit, Detective Baz Boy.

[Pepe]

We got an email that included this jewel a few days ago:

XXX County is only 49% vaccinated, and cases have increased here by 220% in the last week. (https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#county-view) Also, we should assume that the Delta variant is here.

We need a mask mandate in all indoor public spaces immediately. Vaccines should be required for all employees.

Cases have indeed increased. From ~1 per day to ~3 per day.

This was last week. Cases are now 15% down. Time to lift all restrictions? We haven't had a single death since January.

Another one follows up with:

I understand that people are reticent to teach online again, but for those of us taking care of the unvaccinated (perhaps you have young children at home, for example) and the immunocompromised, teaching a full load indoors is an unacceptable risk.

[Pepe]

Oh, and we are required to wear masks inside again since last week (so the nutjobs won, I guess), which I have not done, since I have not run into a single person in the building for at least a month.

[Spikey M]

We got an email that included this jewel a few days ago:



Cases have indeed increased. From ~1 per day to ~3 per day.

This was last week. Cases are now 15% down. Time to lift all restrictions? We haven't had a single death since January.

Another one follows up with:

I know it's probably been widespread for a long time, but Covid has really shown just how little statistics can mean and how easily they can be used to paint a picture of a bullshit scenario.

That is shameless.

[Pepe]

Remember that these are people with PhDs. The first one even claims to be a SCIENTIST.

[Yevrah]

I'm telling you gents, given enough leeway they're a very real threat.

[Pepe]

We got an email that included this jewel a few days ago:



Cases have indeed increased. From ~1 per day to ~3 per day.

This was last week. Cases are now 15% down. Time to lift all restrictions? We haven't had a single death since January.

Another one follows up with:

The madness continues (it is funny how once August hits, all the nutjobs reappear).

Given the contagiousness of Delta regardless of vaccination status, we should also be doing surveillance testing of the vaccinated, not just the unvaccinated, on campus to control transmission.

Last year no one had a vaccine. We were required to mask, socially distance, and get tested every two weeks. Everything went fine. Now, 90%+ of us are vaccinated, yet we still need to mask, socially distance, and get tested? What did we gain, then? Fuck this shit.

[Baz]

At work we pay the sexual health service to do their work. I decided to see what we’re paying them for. I was posted a test kit to do a blood and urine sample and post it back to somewhere in Twickenham. I get to find out if I have any STIs and, ironically, pay them for the pleasure of finding out.

Squeezing blood out your own finger and into a tiny tube is solid.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Bit of DRAMA this morning as one of my closer colleagues has said she's handed in her notice. She went upstairs to the director and told him why: namely, it's a soul-destroying place to work (for her) and there is no communication to the staff, no sense of enjoyment of what we're doing, or recognition of anyone's efforts save the token Christmas bonus. Additionally she said she can get 8 more days' holiday for the same pay somewhere else, so she'd be stupid not to go.

The director responded by saying well, that's just not the way we do things around here. Then he started having a go at her and saying the prospective move is a step down, and the grass isn't always greener.

She is definitely right about the lack of communication to staff. To take an absurd example, when we moved back to smart office dress having been casual during the various lockdowns, this wasn't announced via an email to staff or anything. The director just told one person and asked him to pass it on.

Now her boss is upstairs talking to the director as they no doubt shit themselves about having to recruit. This person is basically the social glue of the whole office so I can see it falling quickly to ratshit and misery from here.

Such a brilliant atmosphere here

[Ian]

She is definitely right about the lack of communication to staff. To take an absurd example, when we moved back to smart office dress having been casual during the various lockdowns, this wasn't announced via an email to staff or anything. The director just told one person and asked him to pass it on.

For fuck's sake. I think communications in my place are bad.

[Spikey M]

My manager used to pull that shit with me, but I've told her I'm not doing it again after being suitably shot as the messenger last time and having to tell the team that I couldn't care less, I'm just passing on a message.

It's a cunts trick.

[Disco]

Same here, the director who I used to work under was suspended and they didn't even bother telling me for three weeks that he wasn't coming back. Still expected me to cover all his work though.

I may do the same as this woman soon, actually as soon as I get a reasonable offer from the stuff I've been applying for.

[Bernanke]

After faffing about for about a decade I finally wrapped up my masters and am going back to full time work again. Been in Rotterdam for 3 years almost, so it now becomes somewhat permanent since I'm not looking to leave before 2 years to avoid my CV starting to look really sketchy, so it's time to learn Dutch I suppose.

I was applying for positions a bit out of my seniority hoping I would get lucky and almost got a product owner position back in June, but they chose someone they felt could hit the ground running faster, so now I'm instead starting as an analyst working close with a PO for a software scale-up in Rotterdam. I can hopefully move towards product ownership or management rather quickly since the company is expanding pretty fast. After new years I'll move to a new apartment and have 5 minutes to the office, and the company has enough momentum that I can really focus on picking up some key skills I want to have in 3-5 years, so it's all rather promising.

I won't have access to the employee stock options until I've been there for 6 months though, which is a bit annoying when they're growing at the rate they are.