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    Fingers crossed from today onwards you level out on the meds dude. Some GP's need a good slap for their stupidity in mixing things up.

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    Your attitude towards anti depressesants seems quite casual, Mahow. Guessing you've been knocking them back for a few years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manc View Post
    Your attitude towards anti depressesants seems quite casual, Mahow. Guessing you've been knocking them back for a few years?
    Has been now, yep.

    Although I went off them (idiot) for a few months during the Summer as I felt I didn't need them anymore.

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    Think you'll be on them for life?

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    I don't think so.

    I've only recently been using them for depression, before that it was strictly due to social anxiety.

    It wont be a quick fix but I do think there's light at the end of the tunnel.

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    https://theconversation.com/blame-it...reatment-48578

    Interesting article there. I agree with the point that solely biological/medical interpretations of these things can disempower people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahow View Post
    I don't think so.

    I've only recently been using them for depression, before that it was strictly due to social anxiety.

    It wont be a quick fix but I do think there's light at the end of the tunnel.
    Social anxiety is a bitch. Solely ruined my early teenage years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiffy View Post
    Are you still being active, Hammer? It reads like you're stuck in a rut in here.
    Nah I'm good. I think I last posted in here a few weeks ago now but I've been ok recently.

    I've started writing a series of blog posts about the different kinds of psychotherapy, if anyone's interested. Partly out of my own interest (get to learn about them all a bit more and I find it fascinating anyway), partly because it'll be useful for my career/the course, and partly because it's started getting on my tits the amount of people who have said they've 'had therapy but it was shit' and are then unable to tell my what kind of therapy. Different approaches are so varied that it could just mean that they're not well suited to that particular one and another one could be perfect for them.

    Anyway, yeah. It's only the introduction so far as it's ended up being a lot longer than I anticipated, but it's in case anyone is curious. I've been reading about all this stuff for quite a few years so I want to put the effort in.

    Edit: Forgot the fucking link .

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    A very interesting open letter to Stephen Fry about his series on mental illness. It expresses concerns that Fry focuses largely on genetic causes for mental illness and presents his bi-polar disorder (/manic depression) in largely biological, deterministic terms. The following sums it up:

    "Research shows that exclusively biological theories of mental illness contribute to the stigma experienced by mental health patients, which I know you want to reduce[27]. The more that ordinary people think of mental illness as a genetically-determined brain condition, and the less they recognise it to be a reaction to misfortune, the more they shun mental health patients. The biomedical model of mental illness, which your programme showcased, makes it all too easy to believe that humans belong to two sub-species: the mentally well and the mentally ill."

    https://blogs.canterbury.ac.uk/discu...-in-the-brain/

    I'm wary of the deterministic 'oh this is just how I'm made' rhetoric although I haven't seen Stephen Fry's programme yet so I can't say how bad it is. Letter is worth a gander though for anyone interested.

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    With three posts in a row I feel like I'm hijacking this thread. This isn't about me as such but something that's bothered me, and this is the closest thread to one that's relevant.

    So, yeah. A bloke I work with killed himself this week. I played football with him a lot and squash with him a couple of times too. We were meant to play squash again in the next couple of weeks, and now I need to find a new squash partner . But yeah. Its messed me up a bit, as it did genuinely occur to me recently that I knew hardly anything about the bloke as he never talked about himself at all. I thought it was a bit strange and thought about asking him out for a drink a few weeks ago but didn't get around to it. I dunno, it's all a bit weird really.

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    That's really tough. One of the PhD students in my department committed suicide last year, and it really threw me quite badly. I knew him, although not very well. It was still really jarring, and it took me a week or so to really process that it had happened. I can't say that I saw it coming though, not that anyone ever does.

    I think there's a particular emptiness that comes when someone commits suicide, which makes it tough to deal with.

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    Especially if you seem them on a daily basis.

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    I've felt like utter crud for just over 2 weeks now.

    I woke up on the last Monday of February and felt so down and just can't seem to shift it. When I last spoke to my counsellor he thought it might be a delayed reaction to the anniversary of my Dad's death which I thought was plausible. Mirtazapine hasn't been as effective for the last week too which hasn't helped as I haven't been sleeping. I've tried to pick myself up through various methods but everything just seems to have a positive effect only temporarily.

    Went to the doctor a few days after I first started feeling like shit and he upped my citalapram but it's not done anything :\

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahow View Post
    I've felt like utter crud for just over 2 weeks now.

    I woke up on the last Monday of February and felt so down and just can't seem to shift it. When I last spoke to my counsellor he thought it might be a delayed reaction to the anniversary of my Dad's death which I thought was plausible. Mirtazapine hasn't been as effective for the last week too which hasn't helped as I haven't been sleeping. I've tried to pick myself up through various methods but everything just seems to have a positive effect only temporarily.

    Went to the doctor a few days after I first started feeling like shit and he upped my citalapram but it's not done anything :\
    That's the thing with meds, if they aren't balanced right or take effect they are pointless. I'd go back on Friday if they haven't kicked in yet. Sounds like you are in a shit place dude.

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    Sorry to hear it mate.

    What kind of counselling are you having, out of interest? Just curious.

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    Has anyone tried compassion focused therapy?

    I was referred to someone to help with assignments by uni and after a brief chat regarding my situation he mentioned it. His explanation about it sat really well with me and wouldn't mind trying it out. There's no real type of therapy that I'm doing at the counselling service (it's pretty much just me talking about how my week went, what I'm feeling and the counsellor chipping in to try and make me think differently about it all) and maybe this might help.

    The guy talking about 'your inside voice' always being negative is exactly what I've had for most of my life and trying to get it saying positive things just seems sound. I'm not entirely sure if I can turn around and start making my inside voice say something like 'you're amazing mate' but even just thinking about how I don't have to listen to the negative voice if it's there just made me feel quite uplifted.

    I'm definitely going to read up on it.

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    @Panda Bear has talked about that sort of thing I think.

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    A little bit of an ego can help. I got through school thinking, "Well, I'm getting bullied but those guys will be skint in 20 years with 4 kids whilst I'll be doing alright for myself." Sometimes just still being around is reason enough to smile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahow View Post
    Has anyone tried compassion focused therapy?

    I was referred to someone to help with assignments by uni and after a brief chat regarding my situation he mentioned it. His explanation about it sat really well with me and wouldn't mind trying it out. There's no real type of therapy that I'm doing at the counselling service (it's pretty much just me talking about how my week went, what I'm feeling and the counsellor chipping in to try and make me think differently about it all) and maybe this might help.

    The guy talking about 'your inside voice' always being negative is exactly what I've had for most of my life and trying to get it saying positive things just seems sound. I'm not entirely sure if I can turn around and start making my inside voice say something like 'you're amazing mate' but even just thinking about how I don't have to listen to the negative voice if it's there just made me feel quite uplifted.

    I'm definitely going to read up on it.
    I'm not sure if it actually will be but it sounds a lot like person-centred therapy, which is what I'm training in. Google that, or Carl Rogers who developed it. Its much different from CBT and is largely based on compassion and positive regard. Not heard of anything actually called 'compassion therapy' but person-centred is basically it. I'm writing a blog post outlining the main philosophy and the ideas behind it for people who have never heard of it (mostly for family and friends who are interested). I'll stick it up here when I've done it, which'll probably be Sunday or Monday.

    I'm a bit of an evangelist when it comes to the person-centred approach, in honesty. When its done properly I think it can really help people a lot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spoonsky View Post
    @Panda Bear has talked about that sort of thing I think.
    Yeah he was big on his phenomenonology from what I remember so I imagine he's well into it.

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    Here we are, if y'all are interested. It's quite long but I wanted to cover it properly.

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    Can you get prescribed sleeping pills for rare use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    Can you get prescribed sleeping pills for rare use?
    Go and get prescribed strong difene for your back. They knock you out like a light.

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    This is unrelated to my back. Going to phone the physio for that tomorrow.

    It's for my anxiety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    This is unrelated to my back. Going to phone the physio for that tomorrow.

    It's for my anxiety.
    Yeah but they'll do the same job. Just make out you need them for your back.

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    Get some tramadol. They'll put you to sleep and bring back memories of taking pills when you were younger, then when you don't need them anymore you can sell the rest to fund your attempts to appear middle class.

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    I was on that for my jaw.

    Seriously though will I be laughed out of the doctors if I say I only need something to knock me out once or twice a month.

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    Just ask your kid to lamp you.

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    Written a blog post on how CBT/REBT/ works if anyone's interested. I don't think it's for everyone - I don't like it as a form of therapy for myself - but the ideas are dead interesting and any therapy is enhanced if the person understands how it works, so here we go.

    It's being promoted like fuck by the NHS as it lends itself to measurable results, so anyone who's gone for therapy in the last few years has probably had CBT. Which is fine, but I find it annoying when people hammer counselling in general because simply because they didn't get on with CBT, because there's a lot of other approaches out there which can work equally well.

    But yeah, politics inside, it's interesting.

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    I've been thinking of asking my GP to see a counsellor/specialist from the NHS. I don't see the one provided by my Uni that much (especially now that it's not term time) and he doesn't help all that much. I talk, he listens and that's about it. I feel that I need someone who is a bit more pushy and who will actually look to help, especially as I'm not the quickest to share information.

    Feels like I'm just at a safe level right now but I need to be a level or two higher. Especially as I'm still finding it so hard to knock assignments out (I've finished 1 from the first year but 0 from the second so far, so I've still got loads that I owe).

    My sleep still being shit isn't helping either, the mirtazapine only seems to sort of work once or twice a week.

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    An NHS counsellor is a waste of time, from my experience. They want shot of you as soon as possible. Think I had four sessions, she asked me on the fourth if I was feeling any better, I said yeah, I'm getting there, and bang, no more seeing her. The four sessions helped but another five to ten would've helped massively.

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    Serious non-patronizing question:

    To what extent would people in this thread say that depression is a product of extrinsic, modifiable (or temporary) factors versus intrinsic unchanging conditions (either genetic or biological)?

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    Which one of you cunts lent mert the thesaurus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    Serious non-patronizing question:

    To what extent would people in this thread say that depression is a product of extrinsic, modifiable (or temporary) factors versus intrinsic unchanging conditions (either genetic or biological)?
    It's a great question, and truthful answer is that we don't really know. The evidence suggests that genetics can play some part, with bi-polar and schizophrenia having the most evidence for being linked with genes. In general though, genetics seem to make some people at risk but it's in no way deterministic. I think environment factors generally play a large role in whether or not it actually manifests itself.

    How a person sees their own condition plays a massive part in how they deal with it though. That much is quite well established. Someone who is convinced that their condition is a fundamental part of who they are and that they are completely powerless is much less likely to ever improve than someone who sees themselves as ultimately being capable of change. I guess the difference is hope. In any case, I'm wary of the genetic/biological perspective being emphasised more than it ought to because it can give the impression to people that there's literally nothing they can do. The reality is that the genetic element, as mentioned, isn't necessarily deterministic anyway, and even if there is a genetic element it doesn't mean they can't do anything.

    There's a bit of variation but lot of major therapists (Freud, Ellis, Rogers) generally side on the environmental side of things, but then they would because they're therapists.

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    I've been weened off mirtazapine as it wasn't helping my sleep at all and I'm to start dropping my citalopram to try something else in a couple of weeks. I've also been given the aptly named propranolol which is a beta blocker as my GP thinks it could reduce the negative effects associated with my social anxiety.

    Also been referred to an NHS wellbeing service down here for, potentially, some CBT but that wont start for a few weeks.

    Hopefully the new meds currently and what I will have soon will provide a proper boost along with the CBT.

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    At some point every day this week I've just sat and cried. I'm so exhausted.

    I hate who I am at the moment. I hate how shit I must be to be around for my girlfriend (I keep the mask up for everyone else; they all think I'm super laid back lmao). I hate having migraine. I hate that it stops me achieving what I could. I hate that I can't even be free to do the sports I want to do. I know how well I could be doing but I can't because of something I can't control and it's soul-destroying to be honest.

    I feel totally trapped. I have no option to re-evaluate what I'm doing at this point other than to quit completely: either I trudge on like this, or I throw what I've fought for for 6 years down the drain. At this moment I feel like "fuck it honestly, I don't care" but in 5 years I might look back at it as the biggest regret of my life. Or I might be doing something else I really love and my only regret is that I didn't give it up sooner, but who knows. Obviously the sensible thing is to just (try to) get to the end and then whatever I decide, I can always go back to it, but even though it's less than a year it feels like a million miles through broken glass from my perspective. Which is fucking pathetic but hey.

    It's such a shit fucking position and I am really coming to the end of what I can cope with. I dunno how it got to this, I was never this person, I was always so confident in my ability and so able to perform and this illness has just taken that away from me. It's such a horrible feeling.

    And yeah I guess I'm fucking retarded for not getting help before this, but medics make the worst patients right?

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    Grow up, mate.

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    You're such a dick

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    It's cheered you up, hasn't it?

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    If I didn't laugh I'd cry.

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    Do painkillers not help migraines? Or what kind of illness doyou have

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    There are lots of treatments for migraine, some to relieve them once they've started and others taken regularly as a preventative measure. I've had pretty much all of them and nothing has controlled them properly.

    What I'm on is definitely better than nothing at all, but it's still pretty debilitating.

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    Chin up me old mucka.

    Go see someone professional discuss your worries.

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    I really can't take any more.

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    At least see the transfer window out.

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    Been moved onto venlafaxine as my GP said it can help with motivation.

    Hopefully it kicks in soon.

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    Lol at RL being ignored despite his desperate suicide plea.

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    Have you been to see a doctor yourself? It seems like you shouldn't try and fight through alone, at any rate. I'm sure the people around you will support you, and professional help is important.

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    I hope RL reads the content of my PM and not just the title.

    Oh...oh God.


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    I don't think I could ever kill myself.

    I think about it - probably most days - but no matter how much I wanted to I couldn't inflict that on the other people it would affect. Also I'd probably be too much of a coward.

    Hopefully get through these exams and elective and then get some help.

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