Guns N Roses were an album/stadium band, which is where real quality is distinguished. Appetite for Destruction is still the fastest selling debut album of all time.Originally Posted by Toby
Guns N Roses were an album/stadium band, which is where real quality is distinguished. Appetite for Destruction is still the fastest selling debut album of all time.
Not really. I don't have anything against him but anyone trying to do the Rose parts is going to have an impossible task. He's a good vocalist but it's not the same. I still love Slash, though.
Well yeah, that's my point.
It's perhaps the nation's first mass encounter with self-awareness. They're more proud of it than love it I think.
Whatever the subject, Harold seems to have a really hard time if someones opinion doesn't match his.
The bands I listen to are from various decades and my favourite ones are a bit older as I've listened to them for a longer time and they've grown on me even more. That said, I think the 'music scene' (urgh) is as good as its ever been at the moment as it is so easy to find new stuff from the dozens of available outlets for music. Even though it was very cool hanging in an indie/underground record store as a young teen and getting your hands on the new EP's ad then talking about them with your mates was all fun and exciting, it really doesn't compare to the volume and quality of the stuff you can now find online. I still buy albums but it is nice to be able to listen to them a few times before you buy them.
I've certainly never noticed this before.
Well yeah, it's a given in most subjects, but I can't understand how people can get this invested if other people don't like the same kind of music.
edit: I mean invested as in wanting to argue as opposed getting excited and carried away.
I wasn't the one being a pompous arse and making assumptions.
You've started and sustained a three page thread based on the statement 'I know every generation thinks theirs was better than the current one but mine really was and is'. But no. Baseless pomposity isn't your thing.
There's nothing pompous about that, it's my opinion. If I'd made the claim that it's true because I listen to more music and know more then you'd have a case. So all in all, I fear it's back to your cage for now.
You've described contemporary music as 'generally so shit', consisting of 'vast swathes of crap', and typified by a lack of 'originality and star quality' (and said pre-sixties music was 'vastly dross' for good measure). If that is your opinion, based as it appears to be on not really having listened to much music at all, or knowing anything about how it develops, then this entire thread is a monument to pomposity.
Yes, 'generally'. As in not always. That's far from pompous. 'Vast swathes of crap', yep. I'm sure most people would have to agree with that. 'Lack of originality and star quality'. Yep. This is all stuff which ought not to be very controversial. Contrast and compare the biggest stars of today - Bieber, One D, Kanye West, whoever else you care to mention, with the top names of the 60's-90's. Different planets.
For One Direction, see the Bay City Rollers, New Kids on the Block, Backstreet Boys. Same planet, different haircuts.
The Bay City Rollers were never a worldwide phenomenon of the same scale as 'One D'. You might have a point regarding manufactured boybands generally, but I don't see you disputing my other examples. I really can't see anyone of this era being rememberd as a Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley, Stones, Bealtes, Prince, Stevie Wonder. The talent just isn't what it once was.
It was just prior to Globalisation ramping up.
It's not my cup of tea, and he's obviously an arsehole, but Kanye West is clearly pretty talented at what he does. Can't sing of course, but that's not really what his act is about.
For the others, rubbish music having chart success isn't evidence that good music is no longer out there, as has been said many times already.
For Bieber, see Donny Osmond, Debbie Gibson, Tiffany, Britney Spears. Kanye doesn't have a direct equivalent because hip-hop wasn't mainstream until arguably this century, late 90s at a push. Music doesn't change that much, just the way people choose to remember it. Anyone telling you it's all shit now is just repeating what people were similarly being told whenever you consider the golden age to be.
No, I said the biggest stars, Not mildly successful ones. I'll put it another way - who, of today or this era, will be remembered in any way like the names I mentioned? It's one thing to be a star, it's another to be worthy of that tag.
Speaking of talent, Bonnie Tyler never wrote Total Eclipse of the Heart, and most of Cyndi Lauper's songs were written by other people as well. So they were good examples to open the thread with.
Well, you edited to say that, yeah. I'm sorry I didn't predict that while responding to the original post.
Do you want to discuss talent or success? You should probably make your mind up before we continue.
Is being a star something worth pursuing in and of itself?
Wouldn't have you down as a cult of celebrity type, Harold.
If you want to be that fiddly, Britney Spears was easily the biggest popstar on the planet.
I'm not being fiddly - it's my whole point. I think you're missing what I'm saying - Spears may have been the biggest pop star on the planet but nobody really took her seriously as an artist. And yes she just about fits into the 90's but not by much - the likes of those I mentioned were stars and well worthy of being labeled as such on the merits of their talent. The 'stars' now may sell a lot, but they clearly do not have the same level of talent as far as I'm concerned. And if you think I'm wrong then give me any name from the last 10 years who will be remembered in the same breath.
'Top names' not being taken seriously as artists also isn't exclusive to this century, nothing really is. You won't find a discussion about Elvis without someone calling him little more than a pretty singer getting rich off other people's work.
And you won't find any serious person who can name someone who will be remembered in the same breath from this era.
No, and that's the point. The stars I mentioned were stars because of their talent, first and foremost. I'm not sure in how many ways I must point this out.
Not while you're living through the era, no. People weren't listening to the Sun Recordings and immediately putting bets on how many impersonators he'd have in 50 years time.
Seemingly half the rock music ever produced was called shit at the time.
I'm sure it was pretty obvious Presley was always going to be remembered. I know for sure that Jackson is going to and would be. I think you're just avoiding the question, really.
We'll have forgotten Beyonce by Christmas.
Beyonce?
I'll go to war with anyone slagging off Beyonce.
Don't get me wrong, she does have a pretty good voice. But the
I'd agree she's no Aretha Franklin but have a
While you're predicting things that have already happened, if it was pretty obvious he was always going to be remembered he shouldn't have gone through the bother of that comeback special, even though he was considered washed up before he hit 30 having spent nearly a decade making films and being considered a parody of himself.
I agree with Harold (heh, wah?) that it would have been obvious that Elvis would be remembered, but equally I think it's obvious that Beyonce, Eminem and Kanye West will be remembered.
I wouldn't put her at Franklin's level but she's several times better than Beyonce. I can't imagine the future Simon Cowell instructing anyone never to try and out-Beyonce, Beyonce. Different levels, you see.I'd agree she's no Aretha Franklin but have a
About Jackson? No, you obviously can't read. I said I knew at the time he was going to be a legend. It was obvious. The rest of what you say is irrelevant to what I'm saying.
To 'Reg' - Beyonce, Eminem, Kanye West will not be remembered in the same league as the names I mentioned.
She's not markedly better than Beyonce. It's debatable she's even better than Beyonce.
I can imagine the current Simon Cowell saying exactly that, nevermind a future equivalent.
There's a lack of Talking Heads in this thread. They were pretty big in their own way, weren't they?
'I'm sure it was pretty obvious Presley was always going to be remembered.'
I didn't mention Michael Jackson. You obviously can't read.
I think you'll find yourself in a massive minority in that view. Cowell was always telling people not to cover Houston because you never sound good in comparison.
'While you're predicting things that have already happened' means what, then?
I'm sure it was pretty obvious Presley was going to be found dead in the toilet.
I'm not a regular watcher of the X-Factor but I've seen enough snippets to know I Will Always Love You is an incredibly popular song selection and often comes in for great praise. I'm sure he encouraged Alexandra Burke specifically to sing it as well.
Whatever the case, that song and maybe I Wanna Dance With Somebody aside, Whitney Houston's back catalogue is good but not particularly memorable. I suspect most people would rank Beyonce above her even now, nevermind in ten years once the nostalgia kicks in.
Oh dear. Either you're being an arse or you realised your mistake.
But you don't watch it, honest.
http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-li...ale-voice-everWhatever the case, that song and maybe I Wanna Dance With Somebody aside, Whitney Houston's back catalogue is good but not particularly memorable. I suspect most people would rank Beyonce above her even now, nevermind in ten years once the nostalgia kicks in.
http://www.soultracks.com/greatest-female-singers
There's also a lot of other songs but I guess she's before your time, really. The post 90's stuff was largely when her voice was fucked, similar to Carey in the 00's.
I don't think you know what you're talking about.
Oh great, an internet list. People base that almost entirely on the Bodyguard soundtrack. Yeah, she's talented. Yeah, she had a good career. But held up alongside other names mentioned in this thread, her career isn't particularly remarkable and the only part of it that will really be remembered is that one song.
EDIT: Saying it's "before my time" sort of proves the point. You don't get that with the true classics.
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