Yes, of course, the fact that the people who fucking lived there's concerns about fire safety were ignored, that's jumping to conclusions.Originally Posted by GS
Fuck off and go suck some Tory cock, you absolute prick.
Yes, of course, the fact that the people who fucking lived there's concerns about fire safety were ignored, that's jumping to conclusions.
Fuck off and go suck some Tory cock, you absolute prick.
Well that escalated.
Nobody knows what exactly happened, so perhaps we could wait for a spell before leaping in with the usual EVIL TORIES SIT ON REPORT or DESPICABLE LANDLORDS ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH IT BY TORY SCUM nonsense.
We've already had Jez trying to score political points before all of the bodies are even out of the building.
I don't really understand how the blame game works anyway.
Terrorist attacks on May's watch were meant to be good for her while fires aren't.
Faultless logic there.
Oh here we go. "Don't politicise a tragedy." It's social housing. It fucking is political.
They can throw up cladding to protect the eyes of the rich cunts in the neighbourhood but that can't listen to residents' concerns about fire safety? Why not?
https://www.facebook.com/inthenow/vi...video_guests=0
The blame game is a waste of everybody's time. Something shit has clearly happened, and there needs to be an investigation into exactly why that was. If people need to be prosecuted and / or exposed for something, then fine. What I'm not having is people deciding within 24 hours of the first spark that there's some sort of cover up and / or it wouldn't have happened but for X, Y, or Z.
Nobody knows exactly what's happened, so perhaps we could wait for a bit before leaping to the same old lazy conclusions or desperately twisting stories to fit the narrative you want.
Also, there's been piss all official help too:
Locals’ anger and frustration spills out after Grenfell Tower fire“This has been a bottom-up effort from the community, people from the community just trying to find out where to bring stuff,” he said.
“In terms of any sort of local crisis response management, there has been no coordination at all as far as we understand. It’s been about centres like this coordinating with other centres and working out where to bring things. There has been very little top-level leadership.”
Who is he suggesting started the fire? Developers?
I don't know. He's probably going a bit off the conspiracy deep end there, to be fair but he's just had his home destroyed so I can forgive him for being upset and angry. I was mainly linking to that for his point about the cladding.
You're an expert on health and safety regulations now, are you?
It's the silhouette of the distressed person in the window (which the Sun unsurprisingly also carries) which shouldn't be out there. Total disgrace.
I can tell you for nothing (on the official help side of things) that all 'officials' will currently be devoting all their time to arse covering.
Also, remember when the Tories voted against legislation to force landlords to ensure their properties were 'fit for human habitation'?
We're governed by a landlord class who see social housing as an inconvenience and who view houses as ways to further enrich themselves rather than as people's homes. Fuck them all.
When you see that, I'm with you on both counts. Shouldn't be there and how the hell have only 12 people died?
Yes Boydy
Fight the good fight Boydy.
Here are some of the people involved in their own words:
It's probably worth noting that councils fuck literally everything up before casting the local government as a bunch of Mr. Burns figures. The silly cunts round here recently put a bench up facing the wrong way.
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Damn right.
Why did you post this Facebook video link? Are you in agreement with the guy in the video? He seems to be suggesting that the fire was started deliberately as an excuse to get the towers demolished.
The ironic thing is that the cladding has been installed to improve the aesthetics of the building, but more importantly it's been installed to improve u-values and thus upgrade it's thermal performance in line with current Building Regulations. Therefore, the 'evil landlord' has tried to improve the building. It's just a tragic shame that it appears the materials used and fire separation has spectacularly failed.
Edit: you can bet your bottom dollar those upper floor flats were bloody cold and suffering from condensation issues before the refurb works. I note this is all consequential after what has happened. But point remains they were trying to improve the building.
My point was that they spent a load of money improving the external appearance of the building to appease neighbouring rich areas but wouldn't listen to or take residents' concerns seriously at all.
A parable of 21st century London.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was some leftist cunt trying to make a point about all these stupid safety complaints as an I TOLD YOU SO.
Certainly warmer now.
*Buys ticket to hell*
Those evil landlords properly insulating their buildings.
Fucking Landlords, buying property and renting it out. Am I doing this right?
Has that story about making the building look better as not to offend wealthy eyes been confirmed? They might well have wanted it to look better for their own rental purposes, but it sounds a bit odd that an apparently ruthless, corner-cutting property company would spend millions of its hard pinched pennies appeasing people who don't rent any of its properties.
You could get Gucci in to decorate the gaff, there is no way to make a tower block like that look anything but depressing.
I'm enjoying all the luvvie hacks pretending they know what 'cladding' is.
There's a set of high rises near us that's made out of sandstone brick that has vines wrapped round the outside. Seriously one of the prettiest inner city buildings I've ever seen. I think it's one architect who did a series of apartments in the area. I haven't got a pic of the high rises but the appartment next to it is lush.
Looks like an abandoned building from Planet of the Apes.
Silly twat.
People really shouldn't be allowed to make money out of owning additional houses.
No idea how you'd work that in practice but it really isn't something that sits comfortably with me.
Has Jezza turned Yevrah into a socialist?
He'll be calling to reclaim the means of production soon enough.
Welcome to the light side.
Absolutely.
So you want to end rental?
There's a set of high rises near us that's made out of sandstone brick that has vines wrapped round the outside. Seriously one of the prettiest inner city buildings I've ever seen. I think it's one architect who did a series of apartments in the area. I haven't got a pic of the high rises but the appartment next to it is lush.
Well, you could somehow force house prices down so that the mooks could afford them, but then no fucker would sell and no fucker would build new houses.
I'm going to buy another house and then rent the one I've got out once I've got enough equity.
Come at me.
The governmet could both build and sell new houses.
No, they couldn't. As they have proven for the last, what, 3 decades?
That they don't do something (or don't do it well) does not mean it is impossible for them to do it.
The government builds and sells houses? In what market?
Are we nationalising builders, estate agents or both?
Isn't that because they decided to start subsidizing private housing associations instead of committing to building them?
Private Eye did a really interesting podcast on this recently. http://www.private-eye.co.uk/eyeplayer/play-332
I know I'm often painted as a Tory arse hole, but I've never actually voted for them and I hold a number of liberal views.
Like I said, no idea how in practice, but where I live people own as many as 15-20 houses, and landlords are stuffing people into them (turning living rooms into bedrooms etc) and it really isn't on.
All I said is that it is a possibility, not that it is happening, or that it should happen, or that it would be easy, or that it would be great. Simply that they could. But do go on.
Nationalised housing would be great. Imagine the litigation flung at No.10's door.
So in other words demand for housing hugely exceeds supply. Best thing is to look into what is causing the high demand and/or low supply.
Over here the university, through its three real state agencies, has bought the whole neighborhood, changed some windows, jacked up the prices by 50% and pushed everyone who isn't a student out. All of this tax free, of course, what with them being a non profit. I'm on one of the few non-university buildings left and I pay $300 less than most.
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