http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40269625
This looks fucking grim. No word on casualties yet but they're saying some people are possibly trapped at the top of the building.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40269625
This looks fucking grim. No word on casualties yet but they're saying some people are possibly trapped at the top of the building.
Terror?
Falling asleep while smoking more likely.
'Lives claimed at Grenfell Tower' is a fucking weird BBC headline.
Anyway, no fire alarms will mean a life sentence for the building owners.
Not necessarily. It will depend on their emergency escape protocol for the building; and whether it's a simultaneous evacuation or phased.Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
Relatively modern apartment blocks will have phased evacuation which means there are no communal fire detectors or alarms. Alternatively there would be an independent smoke detector in each flat and the residents would stay put until told to leave by the fire brigade or a fire marshall. But this is all dependant on there being sufficient fire compartments in the building and a fire risk assessment.
If it's down to some Jihadi on the third floor mixing some chemicals, he might be off the hook.
Also, there should be a sprinkler system and fire fighting lift in a building of that size. Probably isn't tho.
Quin is some sort of health and safety officer.
Tragic this. Those high rises are death traps.
I've been in two minds as to whether I should bother getting my electric done in my new gaff. Might have to go or it. This has shit me up a bit and made me realise that fires are real.
Apparently people were instructed to stay in their flats because they were meant to be fire-proof.
Imagine living with that, telling people to stay in their homes and whoops now they've all died a firey, gruesome death.
Fuck.
That area went Labour by twenty votes last week, and now a block a council flats burns down... Bit suspicious that.
I was wondering whether this was going to be blamed on cuts or an evil developer.
Just been listening to the Five live coverage and they keep talking about speculation on what might have caused it but won't divulge.
Any ideas TTH?
A cigarette like niko said. That'd be my guess anyway.
Twitter is split down the line. Apparently it was either Theresa May with a tank of petrol, or a dodgy fridge.
Apparently the fire spread far quicker than would have been expected, which surely points to arson.
They mentioned it being a fridge on the radio when I first heard about it this morning, but it was probably just stuff they read on Twitter.
I don't know how they could possibly have come to the conclusion that it was a fridge that quickly. If someone's seen a fridge on fire then presumably it doesn't get to the stage where it burns down a block of flats.
Petrol can't melt steel.
Apparently if the Tories hadn't cut the fire service they could have put it out quicker.
Pity Corbyn isn't PM really or he could have arrived on the scene and extinguished it with his magic piss.
The reason for the rapid spread was a material put on the outside of the building to make it look nicer to the newly built flats in the area. Allegedly.
I did have a smile at that.
I'm no fireman but I wouldn't think the success rate of putting out such a fire is too high. I'd try and avoid living in such a tall block if at all possible.
So of course talk in the office has been taken over by the resident NEW YAWKAH because everything is 9/11 and if you were in NYC at the time you were a fucking expert on building fires.
Yeah, and then there's the special flammable air that the Tories have installed in west London to make their Saudi friends feel more at home.
The council leader did just look visibly pained referring to the eventual 'refurbishment'. The plot must be worth silly money.
No central fire alarm system. What the actual fuck? How can that be legal?
5 Live have had blanket coverage all day and haven't reported anything more than the fact that it burnt down and some people are probably dead. Whilst the final number is going to be quite bad they appear to be treating it like some kind of cataclysm.
That is the correct procedure for 'phased evacuation'. This is what all fairly modern apartment buildings have in place. But this requires 60 minute fire compartments between the flats and common areas.
Nah, the spread of fire is more related to the surface spread of flame and fire compartments. Building Regs requires class 0 or 1 spread of flame for the installed materials and coatings. This means it will not go up like a catherine wheel in the event of a fire.
It's actually recomended and it's a system which works very well providing there is the fire compartments. Sadly this doesn't seem the case here.
The cladding and its insulation within seems to be the main concern so far. Back in the day, cladding panels use to be insulated with polystyrene type material which was highly flammable. But this has been prohibited for years so I'd be surprised if this is the case.
Stay in your home. Fuck off. You should be listening to your survival instinct, not some shithouse telling you to duck and cover.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40280169
12 dead ain't doing the maths for me.
Still a few 'missing' aren't there? Where do they think they are? The Dog and Duck having a pint of IPA?
Quincy's comments here certainly suggest that we're following the usual pattern. At the minute, we're in the phase where the media establish themselves on site and shove microphones in people's faces whilst internet warriors go off on rants about things they don't actually understand.
'Several hundred' in the building and 68 rescued are ominous numbers. Where are all the others.
Having said that, the Times front page that I've just seen is disgusting. Have some respect.
But the problem with that is there no centralised fire alarm system for a building with a 'stay put' policy. So you might not know about the fire until it's too late.
I understand. It's part of my job.
You do. The vast majority don't. That's my point.
12 would be a miracle considering the circumstances.
Link to the front page?
Yeah, if you don't know about it until it's too late you're obviously fucked. I'm a deep sleeper so would definitely be at risk.
Ditto. I'd be fucked - especially if it's in the first few hours of me sleeping.
Entirely summing up, in one post, what I was talking about. People leaping to conclusions left, right and centre without any consideration for establishing facts.
I heard a bit of that earlier and it was some of the most deplorable and grubby news reporting I've ever come across.
Event x Importance = NEWS.
The BBC news man was shoving his microphone into crying faces and going 'WHERE IS YOUR SON? HOW OLD IS HE?'
Where's the fucking link to that Times front page Jim.
We need to start dishing out warnings for prick-tease posts like that.
Front pages - http://suttonnick.tumblr.com/
Thank you Boydy.
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