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Thread: The Middle East and co (*sponsored by Mel Gibson*)

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    Given your track record with breaking news I'm going to assume he actually died 6 months ago.

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    I hear Gattuso is in the frame to take over.

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    Chamberlain is back and declared peace for our time. War averted.

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    I've said it before and I'll say it again, Mr Hitler won't be as bad as some claim. A healthy Germany is good for all of us.

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    Them Houthis are hardcore. He must have known this was coming.

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    President Donald J. Trump recognising Jerusalem as the Israeli capital (complete with embassy relocation) is going under the radar a bit. The Muslims will go ape shit.

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    Didn't he already sign the 6 month waiver?

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    Trump just smashes the status quo. It might end up a positive thing to change the paradigm.

    Wot.

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    The Christians are getting on him about it now so expect a u-turn.

    edit: wrong thread

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    Recall parliament? Nah. Just bomb Syria.

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    If anyone asks, France started this.

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    Well, I can’t see any way in which raining missiles down on them can fail to improve the situation.

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    You say raining but Russia's anti-air measures are in effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shindig View Post
    You say raining but Russia's anti-air measures are in effect.
    So raining then.

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    I don’t know who wrote Trumps speech, but it was actually a decent effort.

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    Just watched it myself and it's comfortably the best thing I've seen him do.

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    It sounds like a pretty tame effort for all the big man talk through the week.

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    It was diplomatic, which is pretty fucking ground breaking.

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    I just don't get what one set of air strikes does. That said, we either go balls deep and fuck it up the same way as Iraq or Libya or we do nothing and convince Russia to annex Georgia next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byron View Post
    I just don't get what one set of air strikes does.
    Apparently these ones are different because they were targeted. Which makes one wonder what the fuck the others were doing.

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    The strikes appear to have been phony - to give the appearance of having done something. But not enough to piss off the Russians.
    Still stupid and obviously unlawful of course.

    Last week the Saudis killed a large number of civilians in Yemen with American weapons. And nobody gives a fuck about that.

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    Watched this recap on BBC:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43771840

    And what gets me there are the (non-Trump) Twitter quotes.

    Has Trump effectively managed to turn Twitter into the International forum for Diplomatic communications now?

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    How does May get to give the go ahead for something like that without parliament, when she has a minority government?

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    "Use often!" is so funny for some reason.

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    I don't think it really is a military term outside of Steven Seagal films and Call of Duty.

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    Use often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    How does May get to give the go ahead for something like that without parliament, when she has a minority government?
    Cos she's the PM innit. Before the Blair/Cameron shite years they never used to go to Parliament for any of this stuff.

    There was a pretty lol poll somewhere this morning which had the British public backing Theresa May over any other recent PM for trusting to take the country into a military conflict. Only St Maggie T beat her.

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    I get that, but surely you can’t be running tings like Idi Amin when you have a minority government? I thought they had to hold a vote on everything and that’s why they needed that mental Northern Irish lot on side.

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    There is a case for the government being allowed to act where necessary without talking it out, but I struggle to see how adding a token presence to a pointless bombing raid qualifies.

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    It was about a week after the chemical attack as well. It doesn’t exactly scream emergency action to me.

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    The PM is head of the executive branch of government which can do all sorts of things without consulting parliament. Whether killing people with bombs is one of those things is another matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    The PM is head of the executive branch of government which can do all sorts of things without consulting parliament. Whether killing people with bombs is one of those things is another matter.
    I understand that in a majority Government. I was unaware she can swan about doing whatever she likes in a minority one. If that’s the case, why is having a minority an issue anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    The strikes appear to have been phony - to give the appearance of having done something. But not enough to piss off the Russians.
    Still stupid and obviously unlawful of course.
    "We shouldn't intervene!" ... "Huh, this intervention had no impact. MEANWHILE, ANOTHER THING HAPPENED SOMEWHERE ELSE!"

    I'm not even sure what you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    I understand that in a majority Government. I was unaware she can swan about doing whatever she likes in a minority one. If that’s the case, why is having a minority an issue anyway?
    For legislation, budgets and stuff.

    You do understand that the legislature is different from the executive, right? Even if in the UK the legislature (effectively) chooses the executive.
    Last edited by Henry; 15-04-2018 at 04:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shindig View Post
    "We shouldn't intervene!" ... "Huh, this intervention had no impact. MEANWHILE, ANOTHER THING HAPPENED SOMEWHERE ELSE!"

    I'm not even sure what you want.
    Eh? I wanted them not to attack Syria. I also want a radical reorientation of policy towards the middle east. What confuses you?

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    The fact they are gassing their citizens and you don't want any action, probably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    The fact they are gassing their citizens and you don't want any action, probably.
    Demonstrate to me that "action" achieves anything positive other than allowing leaders to posture and I'd change my mind.

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    What alternatives do they have? Sanctions. Is force not advised in response to chemical attacks?

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    It depends how you define ‘works’, I guess. I mean, they wanted Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden gone, and, well, it worked. They’re gone.

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    lol what's the point?

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    It's mad how crap Theresa May is.

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    They're out in force today claiming this and Kosovo are the same thing.

    If they are, why has it taken you 7 years to address this 'extreme humanitarian crisis'.

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    Nothing to see here just an official government saudi account photoshopping a canadian airliner flying into a tower. I'm sure they mean nothing by it.


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    Infographic ksa is a voluntary non-profit project. It is managed by a group of Saudi youth.

    Simmer down Moronics.

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    Nice of the Saudi youth to see the error in their ways and go back and repost the tweets without the airplane in them, I suppose.

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    Phonics posting fake news shocker.

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    THey've since apologized saying the plane was meant to represent "the ambassador returning to Canada"

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    Is that little saying why their expensive army is being donned shitless by barefooted mooks in Yemen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    Infographic ksa is a voluntary non-profit project. It is managed by a group of Saudi youth.

    Simmer down Moronics.
    Hahahaha, good one. The IRU is just a youth project as well.

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