we are the wolftonesOriginally Posted by boydy
Theresa May's Conservatives
Jeremy Corbyn's Labour
Tim Farron's Liberal Democrats
Paul Nuttall's UKIP
2 people's Greens
Nicholas Durgeon's Scottish Nationalists
Satan's Sinn Fein
Dr Ian Paisley's DUP
Some other bunch of nonces
I'm foreign, but I wish I were an Englishman
we are the wolftones
The other week I told somebody on Facebook (I know) that Jezza supported the IRA, and they advised me not to be taken in by 'Brit Army propaganda'. Alright mate.
@GS - my political heroes are George Orwell, Nye Bevan, John Hume, James Connolly, Noam Chomsky, Bernie Sanders, Evo Morales, Tony Benn. And now Jeremy Corbyn. You are welcome to check what each of them stand for and what they achieved. You are also welcome to stop conflating them with Leninists, or any derivatives thereof, whom I despise.
If we'd been ruled exclusively by Tories and other neoliberals throughout the 20th century, we would have no social safety net, no NHS, few labour rights, lower wages and even less social cohesion. History has been good enough to run this experiment for us - the impact of social democracy on its politics explains all all of the good ways in which the UK is different to the US.
Well, this is it isn't it. Either you don't know about and vote for them anyway, which would be bad. Or you know about it and vote for them anyway, before trying to justify it, which is far worse.
Not that there is much rightness in the idea generally, but 'Tories and other neoliberals' isn't really a thing if you're talking about the entire twentieth century.
Pre-Thatcher, just read the Tories then. And of course you won't agree with the idea, but as GS would proclaim, you're wrong.
Even if you go from the Second World War (since all of the early welfare programmes were introduced by free-trading liberals) you have things like Winston Churchill promising a 'cradle to the grave' welfare system in 1943 (let's not pretend he never wanted any sort of welfare provision); the Education Act 1944 (R. A. Butler); Factories Act 1961; Contracts of Employment Act 1963; Employment Rights Act 1996; and, let's not forget, all of the trade union legislation that, rather than attacking unions, merely made them more accountable and democratic, as well as removing their coercive powers (the fact that it is always framed as being confrontational tells you a lot). Social cohesion I will give you, since they oversaw much of the early immigration damage.
It's not exactly a comprehensive programme, but nor is it reflective of your alternate reality. It's a bit like saying that without occasional periods of Conservative government we would have joined the Warsaw Pact.
To the extent that the Tories co-operated in the implementation of those sorts of things, it's because Labour had moved the political goalposts. It's like how they can't just dismantle the NHS.
That's convenient. Labour had been out of power for ten years minimum in the last three examples he cites and he hasn't needed to mention things such as the Disabled Persons Act under Thatcher, Disability Discrimination Act under Major, or older examples such as the extension of suffrage under Baldwin.
It's just not accurate to pretend that all such changes have been driven by one party. There have been plenty of perfectly decent campaigners on both sides e.g. Barbara Castle.
Why do we have to choose between misguided, limp wristed liberalism and evil, rich man's Thatcherism light.
Having seen this Glastonbury bit, I have to say that 'Oh, Jeremy Corbyn' is rubbish. Can we get a 'hes got a magic hat' remix and just replace hat with tree. I tried to make one myself but I couldn't find anything that rhymed with 'requisition your house and turn it into a homosexual commune'.
Unionist paddy capitalist in anti Corbyn shocker.
With a dash of autism.
Did anyone see the WENGER OUT flag?
Sad cunts.
Terrorist supporting Jeremy Corbyn.
It's important you give him his full title, lest your acquiescence in his support for murder be overlooked.
All hail the Ulsterman. Now watch everyone cry about it for five years/however long this shitshow lasts.
Frankie Boyle had it right. A partnership between the Tory party and the political wing of the Old Testament.
It doesn't get more shit than this.
I've been workshopping a joke about political dinosaurs walking the earth the same time as man for weeks and it's just not coming together. Needed the DUP to hold out a while longer for peak favs.
But Wor Jez won the election, apparently.
It's going to last for ages, too.
Where once you had Engels, Luxemburg and Fanon, now you have Frankie Boyle. I believe that's called progress.
The Old Testament has a better record in government than any of their ideas.
The successor to Winston Churchill is Teresa May.
I am lolling quite hard at some of the hissy fits about this DUP deal. If you got your beloved proportional representation, this would happen EVERY SINGLE ELECTION.
What did May have to offer up to seal the deal?
£1 billion of extra money for projects in Northern Ireland (including broadband, infrastructure, mental health, deprived communities, and something else I can't remember).
Also they had to ditch the winter fuel and pensions changes.
Not that I expect anything different, but the constant stream of shit that this "damages the peace process" is complete bollocks. Stephen Kinnock is the latest wanker.
You think they'd get a grip.
I don't think coalitions are peoples issue, more those that they're coalescing with, especially when it's a party like the Tory's whose position on things like gay marriage came somewhat begrudgingly.
The hypocrisy of that is astounding, mind you. For all the talk that the EU is some sort of bastion of liberalism, Merkel won't have gay marriage in Germany and seven EU countries don't even allow civil partnerships. Yet leaving is a national catastrophe on power with the loss of the thirteen colonies.
That these people only woke up to Northern Irish politics about a fortnight ago is the reason why you have the reaction you do.
Well it happened to the Lib Dems last time didn't it. Basically the theme is if you make any sort of deal with a party more right wing than yourself, you are a TRAITOR.
Remember this for when Jezza sells out to get Lib Dem and SNP votes.
You would think extra money for the poorest part of the country would have been welcomed. She can't win bless her.
Or when Gordon Brown sounded out the DUP (among others) about a coalition in 2010.
I look forward to the new eight lane motorway linking Ballymena with Limavady.
I was at a Pride march attacking Merkel (and Switzerlands policies) on this topic, literally yesterday. It's almost like people can hold multiple opinions at once. Incredible.
Famously popular politician, Gordon Brown.
You've missed the point.
No you've tried to dog whistle something away by going 'Look those people over there do it too!' while not having a point.
Meanwhile, Gideons having a great time
Sometimes you need to deal with cranks in order to make things work. Same reason we sell arms to Saudi Arabia. If you set out to war with moral purity on your banner, you won't last long.
You've missed the point, haven't you, because the people crawling out of the woodwork to complain about gay marriage (devolved) in Northern Ireland have been the same people who've lamented the leave vote as some sort of nativist convulsion that wants to roll the clock back to 1831 - despite the EU's track record on the same subject which is less than positive.
I'm not sure you understand what dog whistle politics is either, but I don't have the patience for it.
Yeah that was a poor use, hitting work deadlines and arguing on the internet force verbal short hand sometimes.
In the interests of balance, let's all remember that the DUP leveraged £1.2bn out of Labour in 2008 to vote for the 42 day detention period.
This. Was. Also. Bad.
Politics is so much easier than it's not treated like football GS.
It's also not really true, having been denied by all involved.
Aye, so when you see have people like Shaun Woodward acting the cunt about confidence and supply, it might be worth noting he was quite happy to sign up to 42 day detention passing the Commons after they bought the DUP.
It's why nobody should be overly exercised by a deal. It happens all the time and every side does it.
Look if you're going to let me murder every Blairite/Brownite in the party I'll let you have a coalition deal. Otherwise, get in the gulag and get gay for bumming.
Can anyone explain to me why, morally speaking, what could be viewed (by anyone honest) as one party bribing another with a billion quid is legal?
It's like a grown-up version of bribing the electorate.
It's not for Bugatti Veyrons it's for schools/councils in NI. Easier to sell that way.
I think that depends on what you understand by the term 'bribing'.
Nick Xenophon for the DUP.
Why on earth would it not be legal?
Lol alright mate.
It's not a bribe, it's a (heavily one sided) compromise. Same thing as happens in any coalition or looser agreement in democracies worldwide.
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