Not really.
Major was pre Good Friday Agreement. We're now twenty years after the GFA, and the principle of consent has been agreed / verified by referenda in both north and south.
Theresa May's Conservatives
Jeremy Corbyn's Labour
Tim Farron's Liberal Democrats
Paul Nuttall's UKIP
2 people's Greens
Nicholas Durgeon's Scottish Nationalists
Satan's Sinn Fein
Dr Ian Paisley's DUP
Some other bunch of nonces
I'm foreign, but I wish I were an Englishman
Not really.
Major was pre Good Friday Agreement. We're now twenty years after the GFA, and the principle of consent has been agreed / verified by referenda in both north and south.
Jonathan Powell is a slimy toad cunt who hasn't moved on from backslapping about the first Blair term. He, Campbell and Mandelson should be rounded up when the Corbyn regime comes in and either hanged or sent to some kind of penal colony.
The Falklands would do, assuming we don't hand it over to the Argies.Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
Sounds like Brady is readying the catapult.
What really has pissed me off is Bouldy adopting 'the absolute boy'. Fucking cunt. @Boydy
From Eis Nein on CaB, re: members of the DUP:
Jim Wells - Health Minister. Said kids with gay parents more likely to be abused. Said foetuses the 'ultimate victim' in rape pregnancies.
Ian Paisley Jr. - Described being 'repulsed' by homosexuals. Claimed over £1million in expenses over five years.
Jim Shannon - Claimed most expenses of any MP in Westminster in 2015: £205,798, excluding travel costs.
Emma Pengelly - Daughter of a convicted loyalist terrorist. Voted against equal marriage and opposes extending the Abortion Act to NI.
Iris Robinson - Had an affair with a man she knew since he was 9 years old and was ' a mother to'. Procured £50k in loans for him.
Peter Robinson - Defended preacher who described Islam as the 'spawn of Satan'. Said he'd trust a Muslim 'to go to the shops for him'.
Paul Givan - Supports business right to discriminate against gays on religious grounds. Brought motion to get creationism taught as science.
Gregory Campbell - Openly mocked the Irish language in NI Assembly. Supports bringing back the death penalty. Jokes about hunger strikers.
Sammy Wilson - Agreed with man who said 'get the ethnics out'. Openly stated climate change is a myth while he was environmental minister.
Edwin Poots - Believes Earth is 6000 yrs old. Wanted to extend the gay blood donation ban to people who have sex "with somebody in Africa".
Paul Girvan - Said that all scrap metal dealers should be armed with guns to protect themselves from "gypsies".
Tom Buchanan - Told a room full of children that homosexuality is 'an abomination'. Opposes gay adoption and gay blood donation.
Mervyn Storey - Young earth creationist, wants intelligent design taught in schools. Opposed Ulster Museum exhibit on evolution.
Nigel Dodds - Attended funeral of UVF commander John Bingham: A man responsible for illegally smuggling arms to loyalist forces from Canada.
What the hell happened? I thought conservatives were absolutely wrecking it in the polls AND you got terrorist attacks right on the eve of the vote. Can someone explain this outcome?
Theresa May happened.
Okay jk this isn't that badFrom Eis Nein on CaB, re: members of the DUP:
Jim Wells - Health Minister. Said kids with gay parents more likely to be abused. Said foetuses the 'ultimate victim' in rape pregnancies.
Ian Paisley Jr. - Described being 'repulsed' by homosexuals. Claimed over £1million in expenses over five years.
Jim Shannon - Claimed most expenses of any MP in Westminster in 2015: £205,798, excluding travel costs.
Emma Pengelly - Daughter of a convicted loyalist terrorist. Voted against equal marriage and opposes extending the Abortion Act to NI.
Iris Robinson - Had an affair with a man she knew since he was 9 years old and was ' a mother to'. Procured £50k in loans for him.
Peter Robinson - Defended preacher who described Islam as the 'spawn of Satan'. Said he'd trust a Muslim 'to go to the shops for him'.
Paul Givan - Supports business right to discriminate against gays on religious grounds. Brought motion to get creationism taught as science.
Gregory Campbell - Openly mocked the Irish language in NI Assembly. Supports bringing back the death penalty. Jokes about hunger strikers.
Sammy Wilson - Agreed with man who said 'get the ethnics out'. Openly stated climate change is a myth while he was environmental minister.
Edwin Poots - Believes Earth is 6000 yrs old. Wanted to extend the gay blood donation ban to people who have sex "with somebody in Africa".
Paul Girvan - Said that all scrap metal dealers should be armed with guns to protect themselves from "gypsies".
Tom Buchanan - Told a room full of children that homosexuality is 'an abomination'. Opposes gay adoption and gay blood donation.
Mervyn Storey - Young earth creationist, wants intelligent design taught in schools. Opposed Ulster Museum exhibit on evolution.
Nigel Dodds - Attended funeral of UVF commander John Bingham: A man responsible for illegally smuggling arms to loyalist forces from Canada.
Let me tell you, the policing community are having the absolute time of their lives today. Their glee make's Jezza's count speech seem like a funeral paean.
Joking about hunger strikers is to be encouraged.
Bit daft to include the retired Peter Robinson on the list and not mention the fact that he founded a paramilitary group.
These guys seem like Republican Congressmen from deep-red districts in the South. I didn't know people from the UK could be that based.
It's Northern Ireland. The only other show in town, apart from them, is the IRA.
Teresa May is going to "reflect". She's been pushed.
An alternative theory: this has been purposely done by (some Tories) or Theresa herself. It's too much of a fuck up for it to be by accident, the refusal of debating, the refusal of interviews, it's like she's been told to shut up or she herself has sabotaged it.
WHY. The question is WHY.
Get to fuck.
I think he's bang on there. It's really quite worrying for the future of devolution in Northern Ireland.
If she goes over she weekend she's going to look pretty stupid after making a deal with the DUP, going to the Queen and saying she's forming a government.
Just mooching around on Twitter and thought I'd go and see how resident cry baby Owen Jones is handling this situation. Turns out I'm blocked.
I didn't have you down as a cunt before this thread, Zom.
Good to know.
He's organising/attending a protest against the proposed coalition.
And why would that be?
The things we can leverage out of the UK government here to stop this sort of shite from being allowed.
We can get the bypass at York Street sorted, for starters.
The terror attacks were (paradoxically) quite damaging for the Conservatives seeing as May presided over extensive police cuts which gave Labour an easy line of attack in the final weeks/days (on top of all the other fuck ups).
Another great vox pop I heard today was form some white van man who said that he had voted for Labour because someone who promises the earth but has no chance of delivering it is preferable to a robot who just repeats a nauseating mantra ad infinitum.
I though she was being smart by not going to those debates, not that debates and campaigns matter.
It was until Corbyn decided to go.
George Osborne is a cunt.
He's really twisting the knife with some of these Evening Standard headlines. He must be lolling his head off behind the scenes.
He was pictured smiling evily when the exit poll was announced.
It's the equivalent of me being banned from here and making quality ItalAussie jokes around the empty house. Deep down he's still utterly, utterly SEETHING about his life's work being torched and having to edit a waxwork-owned freesheet to stay relevant.
Would have been interesting if he'd stayed on as an MP and challenged (murdered) May for the leadership.
It was the manifesto, in my view. A lot of unpopular policies that she simply couldn't defend or decided it wasn't actually worth the hassle of defending. The two key issues that could have hammered Labour - deficit and Brexit - disappeared into the long grass as they started fighting a stupid defensive action against domestic policy like winter fuel, school lunch, social care, and, of all things, fox hunting. Not a single positive news story there.
Now, I didn't think such huge numbers would be gullible enough to swallow the tax everyone who isn't you to spend it on all things you like manifesto that Corbyn put together - but it was an easy sell for him in both absolute and relative terms. The Tory vote's held up - they've been fucked by everybody else being sufficiently motivated by how shit they were to turn out for the other guy.
He probably rather regrets not running again now.
He's still a wanker.
I think the negative Tory/May stuff is being overplayed. They massively increased their vote share to 42%+. It's the positive Corbyn stuff that made the difference to the result.
I can't help but lol at people who care about the deficit.
What's the deal with Brexit? There's a video a few pages back with Corbyn saying he wants a 'jobs first Brexit' or some shite like that.
So basically the two main parties gained and all other parties went to shit?
More or less.
This also confirms in my mind Bernie would have beaten Trump easily. Unlucky mate.
UKIP are basically no more and SNP have been seriously shafted in Scotland.
How much faith one can place in opinion polls I don't know, but the Tory vote did go down on where it was at the start of the campaign. That said, I'd be reasonably confident saying it "held up" in the face of a deeply unimpressive campaign and policies which seemed designed to piss off their own base.
The question is why people were driven to Corbyn - the deficit was a potent argument two years ago, it was barely mentioned this time. He'd be shit at Brexit, obviously, but it was barely mentioned. The entire campaign was an argument on domestic policy and it's easy to sell an extra £40bn spending per year when you're also telling people that they wouldn't be the ones paying for it. May had no positive domestic policy whatsoever to offer as a counter, and a refusal to engage on the deficit issue meant they couldn't discredit his economic plans in the way they should have.
There is no way that a remotely competent Tory campaign manages to end up in this position.
Seething.
I know.
They're not even people in Middlesbrough.
I've been to Middlesbrough. It's dreadful.
On Cameron, while I liked him for a time, he was ultimately fucking useless and it was his initial decision and subsequent piss poor campaign that led to all this mess.
The deficit was a potent argument two years ago because Labour under Ed Milliband was basically the same as Labour that got votes out in 2010. It was also the first general election since they got votes out so their past record was a bigger issue.
Labour under Corbyn is quite different from Labour in 2010 and 2015, so their past record is not so easy to is against them. In addition this despite being only two years from the last election was basically a government seeking a third term so the Conservatives record is under much more scrutiny, and in the 7 years they've been in they've missed their targets on the deficit repeatedly and in doing so nearly doubled the national debt. It's not really a position to be lecturing Labour on their record from.
In addition in those 7 years of failing to meet their targets of eliminating the deficit they have cut public services and welfare back so far that the NHS and education system are in crisis, and people have starved to death after having their benefits taken away.
So if you are given a choice between a party who are going to cut and cut and cut public services and still not be able to balance the budget, and a party who say they will invest in public services and raise the money from those who have been seen to benefit most from the previous 7 years of cuts, a lot of people will vote for the later even if they're not convinced that the figures really add up.
Damn straight. And the fallout is amazing. The only guy with any heart in leaving was Gove but he had no friends in the party. Boris joined up just to look important but you're going to find fewer and fewer candidates who want to lead Britain out of the Union. May's staying for that reason.
Missing their deficit targets was piss poor, but pinkos throwing the national debt up at the Conservative Party is the one mainstream argument I actually find myself seething at. 'Ooh, you borrowed more money than...' Yeah. Why is that?
So in other words people want free stuff, they want it immediately, and they want 'the rich' (whoever they might be, and however inaccessible their wealth/income might be) to pay for the lot.
You're better than that.
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