UK General Election 2017 - 8 June

[Lewis]

Simply getting it back to pre-Blair levels, and amending the Blair-era laws that prevent us deporting foreign criminals, would go down as a massive immigration win for the vast majority of voters, and, as you say, probably lead to them winning elections however and whenever they like. They just don't want to do that. You can see this across lots of areas. If you can't build in nice Conservative-voting areas, why not stuff cities full of development and potentially get some more young people voting for you? Why not build new prisons and reservoirs in Liberal Democrat seats? Other than a brief period in 2019, which secured them a massive majority, they've spent fourteen years chasing people who will never vote for them under any circumstances.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They want both things simultaneously. They want immigrants out a) to get elected and b) because they instinctively want to keep Britain white, but they also want immigrants in because c) they, and/or their advisors from business, are addicted to a low wage economy and this superdrug controls pretty much everything they do. Add in the fact that they are all complacent public school fuckwits who have never done anything and have no real experiences, and you end up with this cold soup of inertia.

Your more right wing Conservative party would have to choose whether to define itself on the basis of b) or c) - because these are contradictory positions - and in so doing would have to sacrifice the other and the swathes of public opinion that would go with it, putting a) in serious doubt. It would be fun to see someone try, tbh, but that person would have to be a serious person. A Milei, if you like, and not a Farage.

[Lofty]

The other problem is the rise of social media has got all the traditional low wage demographic convinced they can make their millions without those jobs.

[Lewis]

You think that reducing immigration as part of a deliberate move to transition away from a low wage economy would make them less likely to win elections? As in elections where normal people get to vote?

[Boydy]

The man who talks to his dead dog is a serious person?

[Jimmy Floyd]

You think that reducing immigration as part of a deliberate move to transition away from a low wage economy would make them less likely to win elections? As in elections where normal people get to vote?

If they went that way they'd lose the support of every CEO and CFO in the country, a group they have hitherto enjoyed the support of pretty much through thick and thin - not uniformly, of course, but overall. These guys just hate paying out. That is not an insignificant gamble when it comes to bringing the country with you.

I mean, if it's such an easy win, why don't they just do it from government? It's not because they like curry.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The man who talks to his dead dog is a serious person?

Wacky but there's an intellectual basis to what he's doing. Not true of Farage or other leading right wing UK figures of recent times.

[Lewis]

If they went that way they'd lose the support of every CEO and CFO in the country, a group they have hitherto enjoyed the support of pretty much through thick and thin - not uniformly, of course, but overall. These guys just hate paying out. That is not an insignificant gamble when it comes to bringing the country with you.

I mean, if it's such an easy win, why don't they just do it from government? It's not because they like curry.

An absolute majority of people voted to leave the European Union despite practically every CEO, CFO, and every other combination of letters warning against it. You could easily win an election with - for lack of a better term - 'populist' proposals that moved the Times letter-writing brigade to tears. They don't because they don't want to. They want to govern like Blairite melts because most of them are.

[Luke Emia]

Although the opportunity to stick two fingers up to the establishment played a part let’s not pretend that stopping brown people getting into the country(Farage’s poster) and £350 million a week for the NHS(The Bus) didn’t play a huge part in the vote as well.

[Dquincy]

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Nothing to apologise for tbf.

[Manc]

They (politicians) really need to stop fucking around on WhatsApp.

[Spikey M]

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Nothing to apologise for tbf.

It's nothing to apologise for if you're a retard on Twitter. It's a bit embarrassing if you're running a country.

I have no doubt BoJo's messages would have been 10 times worse, mind.

[Jimmy Floyd]

She also didn't say any of those, it being a parody account. She just called Boris Johnson a clown.

[Luke Emia]

She also didn't say any of those, it being a parody account. She just called Boris Johnson a clown.

I mean even if she had said them she wouldn't be wrong.

[randomlegend]

Tories bealing about low turnout etc for the BMA Consultant vote and acting like it's few mm militants holding everyone hostage when it's virtually identical to the mandate they forced through a hard Brexit on is lol.

[phonics]

To speak to the whole low wages thing.


https://nationalcareers.service.gov....iles/astronaut

You need to be between 27 and 37 years old and able to speak English fluently. It'll be helpful if you can also speak basic Russian because it's spoken with English on the International Space Station.

You'll have an advantage if you're a pilot with at least 1,000 hours of flying experience in a high performance aircraft like a fighter jet.


You'll also need a degree and a postgraduate qualification in a relevant subject like:

• biology, chemistry or physics
• engineering
• medicine
• aeronautics
• mathematics

2 languages, a competitive degree, 1000 hours as a pilot.

Starting salary: 41k a year and if you stay you might make 85k.

[niko_cee]

Astronaut

Astronauts fly spacecraft and do experiments in space.



Probably an automatic disbarring from the job if you don't know what it is in the first place.

[Shindig]

So any commercial pilot will be taking a substantial pay cut. Although the appeal to being an astronaut is probably more the going to space part.

[Lofty]

Commerical pilots aren't on that much now are they? Wasn't that the lament of Sully, that they had a big talent drain of military from commercial due to the salary? Astronaut of course still has the prestige.

[Lewis]

I would have thought the general drain from military to commercial would have increased wages seeing as militaries train fewer pilots these days and airlines haven't picked up the slack. I think the Royal Air Force had something like three times as many active aircraft thirty years ago.

[Lofty]

It was more that military were draining away from commercial due to the salary so you ended up with less experienced pilots, starting commercial salary is around 24k meanwhile you can drive trains and be on the best part of 60k within 3 years.

[Manc]

Good to see top Ireland forming a government (of sorts) again.

[Boydy]

It's about time, the place is falling apart.

[Spikey M]

So is Bottom Britain and we have a functioning Government.

[Boydy]

Nah, here is even worse.

Highest NHS waiting lists: https://www.theguardian.com/society/...s-waiting-list

A&E departments are barely functioning too:

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It's impossible to get an NHS dentist any more.*

Public sector workers haven't had any pay rises with there being no executive to administer money. They were all out on strike the other week. All public transport workers are striking again this week.

We pay more for gas as well:

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The roads are fucked too.* I was out driving quite a bit today and I must have hit about five potholes that had me loudly swearing. I'm surprised there was no damage.


*I appreciate these things might be the same everywhere but they add to the feeling that the place really is on its last legs.

[Lewis]

And that's with immense and disproportionate financial support from the mainland as well. Gutted.

[Ben]

We should release them into the arms of Giggles.

[Ben]

Looks like Theresa May's backstop is back.

[Giggles]

We should release them into the arms of Giggles.

Our arms are quite full enough of spongers thank you very much.

[Spikey M]

If you take them we'll stop saying Ireland is part of the British Isles. Deal?

[Giggles]

I'd near rather we became part of Britain, let alone isles, rather than take on those nutjobs.

[Boydy]

Nobody wants us.

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[niko_cee]

It's all over lefties, the PopCons have Holly Valance on their side!

Asked who her favourite speakers were, she said: “The speakers were fantastic. I thought Liz [Truss] was really interesting to listen to, Jacob [Rees-Mogg] for prime minister, the MP for Ashfield [Lee Anderson] was awesome, love a northerner, straight to the point and very sensible.”

[Boydy]

She's married to a billionaire.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If the popcons end up taking over the party it will fully die by 2030. They are really enthused by the idea of there being a massive US-style market for this kind of guff (and market is the operative word, as they are really looking for a nice earner rather than political power) but there just isn't that market in this country.

[wullie]

Natalie Imbruglia asks why it's cold in winter if we have global warming.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

[Spikey M]

I wonder if Alanis Morissette considers any of this ironic.

[Don]

First the bet and now the Trans shit today, Rishi is on one

[Spikey M]

If he goes full troll he could probably still win my vote tbh

[Dark Soldier]

Lads I don't come in here ever but is this real and what is her name for research purposes thanks

[Don]

Melissa Purdy. She's the minister of state for 6-fingered people.

[niko_cee]

I'm going to guess not real.

[Dark Soldier]

Thanks Taz I will now relinquish my right to call you a faggot for the next seven days.

Edit: fuck you Taz then

Doubt Edit: I have ceased edging.

[phonics]

I'm going to guess her name is Dame Chat of GPT.

[Spikey M]

I don't know how evil she'd have to be for me to not vote for her. I'd probably make allowances for genocide.

[Lofty]

Only if she was commiting it by suffocating her victims one at a time.

[Dark Soldier]

She could absolutely be drop kicking immigrants and kids into the sea all day long and I'd be eating that ass like it's the finest Sunday roast.

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68237826