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  • Theresa May's Conservatives

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  • Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

    23 52.27%
  • Tim Farron's Liberal Democrats

    3 6.82%
  • Paul Nuttall's UKIP

    0 0%
  • 2 people's Greens

    1 2.27%
  • Nicholas Durgeon's Scottish Nationalists

    1 2.27%
  • Satan's Sinn Fein

    0 0%
  • Dr Ian Paisley's DUP

    0 0%
  • Some other bunch of nonces

    2 4.55%
  • I'm foreign, but I wish I were an Englishman

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Thread: UK General Election 2017 - 8 June

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    Elsewhere, this coup that all of the papers got themselves all excited about seems to have bombed. Bless the people who still have faith in Michael Gove.

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    I’m amazed Toby Young’s endorsement didn’t push people on.

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    The idea of a coup is laughable. No-one has the balls to step up and take this mess on.

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    This is the thing, isn't it? This shit is career suicide. If you have your head screwed on, and you value your future as a politician, you stay as uninvolved in Brexit as possible.

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    Unless you want to be the revoke hero that UNITES THE NATION (well, the bit that matters).

    Have both major parties ever been simultaneously led by Jeremies before (not Jens)?

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    Someone needs to take it on and crash the plane into the mountain. With that in mind, Theresa May might as well, and then I can stop caring once we reach No Deal paradise.

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    Are we going to have votes pretty much daily until we leave/cancel everything?

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    All in favour?

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    You moron, we need a vote about whether we should put it to a vote.

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    It doesn't sound like there is a majority for any of the likely 'solutions' anyway.

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    They're content to argue in the hope that May turns the car around.

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    Even if they corral around "Common Market 2.0" and somehow trot off to Brussels with that in their red leather briefcases, isn't the response going to be "yes, thanks, that's all very nice, but what we need you to do first is sign that withdrawal agreement".

    Of course, the more cynical view would be that a failure to find any way to progress things is the most expedient way to get to another referendum, but, also of course, that's not what all this is about. This is about 'honouring' the result of the last one.

    The labour shadow minister saying yesterday that they would vote against May's deal if it included a 'confirmatory' referendum with the option to stay (which is literally their policy) shows quite how inescapable this situation is. Someone on one side or the other is going to have to unilaterally decide to crash, or park, the bus. Crashing is only going to be accidental, I don't think anyone's going to consciously do it.

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    Labour are also against the 'backstop' because there is no unilateral escape mechanism, even though their policy is for a permanent customs union. They are every bit as shit and dishonest as the government.

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    The only way it will be solved is with further democracy, whether that be another referendum or a GE to change the parliamentary arithmetic. It's shameful that May has not attempted to break the deadlock by pursuing one of those options, as a leader would.

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    How would another referendum solve anything and if there was a general election and it didn't change the parliamentary arithmetic, what then?

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    Logically we would just leave, because they have fucked up and run the clock down, but you wouldn't put it past them to do something drastic to avoid it like change the voting system.

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    I'm convinced the only way to actually leave is to no deal it.

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    Another referendum with leave winning again might be worth the hassle just to see the meltdown that will make the hysterics after the Scottish Independence referendum result and Trump look small fry.

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    I seem to remember some reasonably conciliatory noises coming out of various bodies across the water in the immediate aftermath of the vote, like a few of them had thought 'Oh shit they did it'; but as soon as they started being dickheads about the Irish border it was obvious any sort of comprehensive agreement was never going to happen. We ought to have just been shaking hands on various smaller things as a lead-up to something wide-ranging (i.e. day one, lets recognise each others foreigners, and bank that), but they just fucked that straight out the gate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    I'm convinced the only way to actually leave is to no deal it.
    It's either No deal, Remain, or a repeat referendum. There will be no deal with the EU. Old Terry May could secure closed borders, no fee and a free rim job for each of us from Swedens Sexiest Sluts and Wor Jezza and co. Would still vote against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    How would another referendum solve anything and if there was a general election and it didn't change the parliamentary arithmetic, what then?
    Either would give a fresh mandate for something more specific than 'Leave the European Union'. The 2016 referendum should really be cast aside now, because it is now apparent that simply 'Leave the European Union' is not sufficient as instruction to Parliament.

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    Vote Leave explicitly campaigned to TAKE BACK CONTROL of borders, laws, and money (as much as Kremlinologist saddos like to blame Theresa May fucking things up on the imposition of her 'red lines', they were required in order to live up to those promises). The sensible way of delivering these would have been through a comprehensive free trade agreement, but between the Irish border non-issue and the idiotic 'frictionless trade' meme, that was sunk, and that leaves you with telling them to get fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Either would give a fresh mandate for something more specific than 'Leave the European Union'. The 2016 referendum should really be cast aside now, because it is now apparent that simply 'Leave the European Union' is not sufficient as instruction to Parliament.
    Have you been sniffing Liberal Democrat?

    It's sufficient enough as you're ever going to get from something the public could ever be expected to vote on (they shouldn't have, I know) and both leave and remain knew what it meant at the time.

    The problem comes in that the MPs are incapable of negotiating anything (not that the EU are interested in doing so either) and the vast majority of them don't actually want to leave. A general election won't change any of that as anybody remotely competent would touch it with a bargepole and nor will another referendum, because you can't put anything more than yes or no, or tick this box on a ballot, which won't be nuanced enough either.

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    At the very least you could put 'leave without a deal' to a binding referendum against whatever else they could bring themselves to vote onto the table, or even against itself as a yes/no.
    Last edited by Jimmy Floyd; 27-03-2019 at 06:43 AM.

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    No deal winning on a second referendum would break society. It's never getting anywhere near a ballot paper.

    I was thinking yesterday, that in the context of the mankading in cricket, both the rules of cricket and the rules of British government struggle in the modern age of professionalism. The spirit of the game in Parliament should have seen May resign by now, possibly as far back as her catastrophic election campaign, but certainly after that initial sinking of MV1. Once you start going on the strict letter of the law it all falls apart.

    The only way the UK is leaving is if the EU figure that their grand political project is better served without the noisy neighbour constantly being awkward (which is probably the case on a political level) but the economic damage would be problematic in an already ailing Eurozone.

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    I was in Portugal the last few days and they are already preparing the 'British only' fast track airport lines because they can't afford to lose a single Euro of our business.

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    Jacob Rees-Mong is ready to back Terry May's deal now. The sinister cunt.

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    I do lke this 'we said in our manifesto...' argument from the Torys. Lads, you haven't stuck to a single other thing in it so let's not get too het up about it eh?

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    I'm sure the populace would be shaken to the core if a politician turned out to have deceived them in some way.

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    Quite, I remember GS being very dogmatic (shocker) about it.

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    I've just seen a picture of Michael Fabricant for the first time. This fucking wig...


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    He claims, unto the death, that it isn't a wig.

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    In which case I claim that Scarlett Johannson sucked me off and she's just being a prude about admitting it.

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    He mad.

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    Cummings emerging from his literal bunker, enraging all the right people, is always a highlight.

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    If Article 13 means half of Phonics' tweets don't show up, I'm switching to Leave.

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    Labour are whipping for the second referendum one apparently and loads of people are going to resign. What a week.

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    Deadly Dom, correct as ever. His blog has had some good stuff on recently.

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    Okay, so second referendum gets called, they actually campaign this time and it still goes 52% in favour of Leave. That's my prediction. Maybe even a bigger margin of victory if they campaign on, "Our MPs can't figure this out." because some people like to fuck politicians over.

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    Remember the boring Brexit meeting I didn't want to go to that keeps getting cancelled? They're now advertising it on Spotify despite still not having any dates or information. Money well spent.


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    It's almost as if they have no idea what's going to happen.

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    Quite, I didn't need a Spotify ad to remind me it's a mess.

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    Get Premium u bum
    I'm a twit

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    They don't pay artists enough to get my tenner.

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    Agree with me and I'll fuck off.

    What a fucking stance that is.

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    They should really be getting her departure date in writing.

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    Jesus Christ, the ability of the Torys to put party over country is unrivalled. 'Agree to something you think will be bad for the country so I will stop damaging the party brand' is fucking madness.

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    Current Labour are far worse on that score. Far worse. They are literally not advocating anything in the hope it will all turn to shit and they will be well placed to pick up the pieces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Current Labour are far worse on that score. Far worse. They are literally not advocating anything in the hope it will all turn to shit and they will be well placed to pick up the pieces.
    Totally agreed. I would abstain if I was still allowed to vote in a GE for exactly said reason.

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