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  • Theresa May's Conservatives

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  • Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

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  • Tim Farron's Liberal Democrats

    3 6.82%
  • Paul Nuttall's UKIP

    0 0%
  • 2 people's Greens

    1 2.27%
  • Nicholas Durgeon's Scottish Nationalists

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Thread: UK General Election 2017 - 8 June

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    It is a shame he does also appear to be useless.

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    It looks bad for Starmer when he is supoosed to be some kind of shit hot legal eagle rapier witted messiah being shown up by Mick Lynch just walking into rooms making people look like cunts with ease. Also the decision to order his MPs to avoid pickets today was comically tin eared.

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    He's just playing the long game, people at the next election won't be voting on some industrial dispute from summer 2022. It's more of a risk to alienate the strike-haters, as they'll remember it and it'll be hammered home if he's on picket lines.

    He'll probably win handily and then the left will start moaning at him again as if their interests would be better served by having Boris Johnson in charge forever.

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    Possibly, but I'm not sure I would hold my nose and vote Labour right now (though I life in a safe Tory seat so it's irrelevant I suppose). Most Tory voters seem to hate him, the support Corbyn had has dried up and they have been getting pasted in by-elections on the whole. A couple of quippy head to head TV debates and Boris rides into a decade long premiership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lofty View Post
    Possibly, but I'm not sure I would hold my nose and vote Labour right now (though I life in a safe Tory seat so it's irrelevant I suppose). Most Tory voters seem to hate him, the support Corbyn had has dried up and they have been getting pasted in by-elections on the whole. A couple of quippy head to head TV debates and Boris rides into a decade long premiership.
    Wo-hoah alright big man.

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    Good thread here on inflation and the supposed wage-price spiral.

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    There's no rich people if nobody is poor. Generation after generation the elite manage to convince the electorate that boosting minimum wage into "living comfortable" territory will torpedo the whole economy, when in fact it's just a threat to their own bottom lines and the majority lap it up.

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    People lap it up because they are mainly concerned with being, even marginally, better off than the people around them (which is also why socialism doesn't work).

    The bigger threat to 'elites' will be when they allow regional towns to get sufficiently shit that crime starts rising in a big way, which (the crime bit anyway) I don't think has happened yet.

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    Can confirm. Next door just got a swish new garden set and I am seething.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post


    Good thread here on inflation and the supposed wage-price spiral.
    He blames supply chain disruption and profiteering for the inflation, and then suggests inflationary tax cuts and hoping the supply chains sort themselves out as the solutions. The planner's dilemma.

    As a proponent of 'modern monetary theory' he should be advocating strict demand-sapping measures to control inflation right now; but he can't, because then he can't push his other policy goals, which is sort of the big hole in the idea. It's also why he skirts around the massive currency devaluation that tends to have some effect on prices. He might be literally the last person in the world worth listening to at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    People lap it up because they are mainly concerned with being, even marginally, better off than the people around them (which is also why socialism doesn't work).
    Yep. It's why I never want to know what my colleagues are on. If we really want to soften that divide, you really have to breed a nation of young people who don't piss payday up the wall.

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    The entire audience (country) is out for Mick.

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    someone needs to kick Fiona Bruce’s head in.

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    That audience make Jimmy and Lewis look like right lefties.

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    Fuck me hahahahaah

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    Just looked at the polling numbers and fairplay if Starmer wants to keep silent tbf, I'll judge him once he's in power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waffdon View Post


    Fuck me hahahahaah
    Did anyone pick her up on the fact it's not the drivers striking? Doubt it. This post-truth world we are living in is horrendous.

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    Another two by-election losses for the Tories. Tiverton especially is a disaster. EDIT: Dowden resigned as party chairman at 5.30am this morning, just before he was due to go on the morning broadcast round.

    Boris must be due another trip to Kyiv I reckon.
    Last edited by Ben; 24-06-2022 at 06:26 AM.

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    Question time is a complete shit show.

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    The thing is that thanks to the confidence vote being too early, Boris can now limp on more or less forever like a wounded animal, unable to really do or accomplish anything, but clinging onto office, like a really shit vampire slowly sucking the British nation dry.

    I reckon the entire cabinet could resign on him and he still wouldn't quit.

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    As usual the whole thing (watching on catch up now, about half way through) isn't helped by the average person's understanding of the railway and how it works on a functional level, regardless of pay, conditions etc. Fiona definitely seems like she is keen to interrupt any answers Mick gives to stifle any forthcoming audience approval, though as noted there are a lot of angry people in the room anyway.

    Dinosaur woman had crazy eyes. Mick could have probably rebutted her better but then you want to save your zings for the journos and MPs not anything that could be replayed as attacking a senile old woman. Lol at that tory woman getting out a Network Rail letter claiming it said something it didn't. I feel they could have had someone better on audience wise than the ticket office guy but it is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    The thing is that thanks to the confidence vote being too early, Boris can now limp on more or less forever like a wounded animal, unable to really do or accomplish anything, but clinging onto office, like a really shit vampire slowly sucking the British nation dry.

    I reckon the entire cabinet could resign on him and he still wouldn't quit.
    There's talk that the 1922 will fuck off the 12 month rule before the summer recess. David Davis alluded to this in a speech last night, basically saying Boris has three months to save himself.

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    Best person on QT last night was the chap in the audience who ran a small business. Mick was solid, but the rest didn't seem to understand what World we're living in.

    It took over 5 minutes discussing Boris Johnson for anyone (again an audience member) to point out that he's still here because no one else wants to put themselves forward for the gig at this moment in time.

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    Small business guy was mega bellend. Comparing apples and oranges, I bet his multi skill work force version is asking someone to use excel instead of word not getting hit by a train because you were deployed somewhere you hadn't signed off prior.

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    I know nothing about how the train service actually functions behind the scenes (I'm Ye...), but when you compare the customer experience to that of, say, flying, it's a complete shit show. The latter is inherently far more dangerous and looks to be much more complicated logistically to pull off, but they manage it. Even simple stuff when training, like buying a ticket, is a joke. As one example, what the fuck is peak and off peak all about? It's the same sodding journey.

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    Not sure the customer experience of the airline industry is the best possible current comparison.

    Ticketing should obviously be a lot simpler with rail fares though. There was a good comment years and years ago from, I think, one of Clinton's political bods about the use of focus groups to get into power and the danger of continuing to roll with them when it came to determining actual policy. I think the example was one of the various early New Labour rail disasters [Ladbrooke Grove] where public opinion on the issue of rail safety and more money for it went from 'don't give a fuck' to 'No.1 national priority' in the course of a day. Good luck with strategic planning if that's your model. We've obviously put that whole methodology on steroids for the past 25 years and the upshot seems to be mass failure of all major bureaucracies.

    That said, on the rail disaster front, I also always wonder if we don't do too badly. Strikes me that the Germans, with all their efficiency and spending and whatnot seem to manage to have quite a few themselves that make it into the news on a reasonably regular basis.

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    The ticketing system is a disgrace and should be streamlined. One of the major problems in my view from customer experience is train companies trying to replicate air travel experience. The difference being you generally have to behave on an plane and book your ticket in advance, it can't be oversold in theory. The railway is open access so anyone can board a train, and people can board a train even when it too busy to accomodate more passengers joining it. Which creates it's own problems.

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    Off-peak tickets are obviously an attempt to get people not to travel in rush hour and cram the trains to breaking point. The only flaw in that plan is that people actually have to turn up to work on time. I almost think they should get rid of it, as the people able to travel at 11am will be doing so anyway just to avoid the madness. Price is almost a non-factor.

    I used to commute on the Waterloo to Woking line, which must be easily one of the busiest in the country, and it was absolute bedlam on a daily basis. I absolutely will not take a job commuting on a train again for my own sanity, and I don't care how many Bangladeshis drown from my resulting car fumes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Off-peak tickets are obviously an attempt to get people not to travel in rush hour and cram the trains to breaking point. The only flaw in that plan is that people actually have to turn up to work on time. I almost think they should get rid of it, as the people able to travel at 11am will be doing so anyway just to avoid the madness. Price is almost a non-factor.
    Indeed and this is my point. No one who doesn't need to is going to be getting on a train in rush hour. Even if it worked the other way around and the tickets were cheaper I doubt they would.

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    Commuters' behaviours are almost entirely driven by price in this age of flexibility and donating kidneys for train fares. The first off-peak train is now the one getting sardined up.

    Having peak and off-peak times is a sensible business model, what is far from sensible is breaking it down into regions, ticket types etc to such a degree that you have such a fragmented system even the workers can't make sense of it. I make the same journey 12 times a month. I'd wager around half of the tickets bear no resemblance to each other. It's beyond deranged.

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    Also the average occasional rail user is even more stumped. They used to offer a ticket type called a duo which was for off peak travel allowing two people discounted return tickets as long as they travelled together. The amount of times I advised people travelling one way that the duo was cheaper than two singles and they told me 'but we aren't coming back' was staggering.

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    House of Cunts coming down now. Keith Starmer #herewego

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    Trust the Asians to bottle it and protect their own necks when the heat gets too much. As if this is even in his top 5 worst acts.

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    About fucking time, but the shameless cunt still won't resign.

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    Bury the prick.

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    I was looking at the Pincher stuff earlier and thinking the whole thing is a genuine national embarrassment now. The Tories should be ashamed for bottling the vote, he's simply not fit to be an MP, let alone Prime Minister.

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    I'm looking forward to Lewis' justification.

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    Those who dont know what Boris is like are expecting him to go.

    This man is fully about himself, he’ll give not one fuck for the Tory party now. He’s going nowhere.

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    How long do they have to wait until the next vote of no confidence?

    If they have any sense they'll be spending that period of time looking for someone who a) is good enough for the job and b) wants it, then push the button as soon as they can. If they don't they're going to lose the next election, with Starmer having done next to nothing to win it.

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    Yeah, he never at any point looked like he'd go willingly. He has to be forced out through an election or unanimous party rebellion. He's miles off the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    How long do they have to wait until the next vote of no confidence?

    If they have any sense they'll be spending that period of time looking for someone who a) is good enough for the job and b) wants it, then push the button as soon as they can. If they don't they're going to lose the next election, with Starmer having done next to nothing to win it.
    Unless they change the rules, it's 12 months I think.

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    I read a thing earlier about MPs being asked by their constituents how many men they've molested recently, and I thought that might be the end of him. They won't want people sticking their noses too far into their other business.

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    I fancy Boris to call a general election over resigning. Then he’ll lose his seat completely in some absolute scenes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben View Post
    I fancy Boris to call a general election over resigning. Then he’ll lose his seat completely in some absolute scenes.
    It would be very Boris. I also wouldn't put it past him to make some kind of mental lie promise like 0% tax for 2 years just so he can stay.

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    I'm not sure he would be allowed to call a general election solely as a means of shoring himself up. Unless one is due or it's over a matter of confidence in the government, the Queen would be well within her rights to tell him to fuck off and expect the Conservative Party to replace him.

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    The resignation letters. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62058236

    Ouch.

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    Someone my wife works with is a lesbian and went with her partner to vote in the local elections the other week.

    The Tory candidate approached them to try and convince them to vote for him. He initially addressed them as mother and daughter (which they obviously corrected him on) then when they informed him they definitely wouldn't be voting for him, he asked if they fancied a threesome.

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    Classy guy.

    Talking of which, looks like Boris is furiously reshuffling the cabinet.

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