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    No, he just happened to drop somewhere I visit regularly. Although keeping a concussed pisshead conscious is a fucking ordeal.

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    "I was only kicking him to keep him awake"

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    Well, he wasn't having any of my top banter.

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    They say these things always start with animals.

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    Another day another apology from an Aussie Rules player due to a wee bit of racism directed at and Indigenous player.

    . Taylor Walker’s seemingly scripted apology video ‘is not going to cut’

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/tay...77766fba3c9bf3
    Last edited by Queenslander; 10-08-2021 at 12:58 AM.

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    The A-level results are a bit of an embarrassment for teachers IMO. They were trusted to give grades in line with what's usually required and given the outcome they quite clearly haven't done that.

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    As I understand it the problem was caused by students getting offers from universities and then relaying those offers to their teacher. Said teacher would have to have a heart of stone to not cave and just give them the offer grades.

    Still, it completely confirms the government's stance last year, even though they fisted the approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    As I understand it the problem was caused by students getting offers from universities and then relaying those offers to their teacher. Said teacher would have to have a heart of stone to not cave and just give them the offer grades.

    Still, it completely confirms the government's stance last year, even though they fisted the approach.
    As far as I understand there was zero moderation like they usually do with coursework (take a sample and make sure the awarded grades are appropriate). Seems like a simple fix and insane that it wasn't in place.

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    Unless it completely borks the university admission system [probably?] it's largely meaningless, the results are different because the assessment method is different, everyone will have to view them in that context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    Unless it completely borks the university admission system [probably?] it's largely meaningless, the results are different because the assessment method is different, everyone will have to view them in that context.
    It has borked university admissions. Some medical schools have been offering people a 10 grand payoff and free accomodation to defer to next year as they don't have enough places for all the people who've had firm offers and have subsequently got the grades.

    Which is then presumably going to fuck students next year as there'll be less places available

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    Universities are indeed fucked by all accounts, some are offering students actual cash money to take a gap year as they're now so over-subscibed.

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    Snap RL.

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    Aye, but doctoring is a bit of an outlier given there is a hard cap on places. I don't know if the government can increase that, but if they can maybe they should.

    It's an impossible situation and I guess the government (to the extent that they are in charge of this) see this as the least bad PR option for them. No racist algorithms, no not trusting our wonderful teachers, just a clusterfuck in tertiary education which was probably unavoidable anyway. Shift the blame onto Universities who have simply implemented normal offering processes.

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    The guy that told me about it was speaking generally rather than just for doctoring places, so I think it's fucked widerife.

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    I had a relatively eloquent response typed out but I cba, so just opting to call RL a cunt instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mo View Post
    I had a relatively eloquent response typed out but I cba, so just opting to call RL a cunt instead.
    Nah go for it. I was absolutely on board with trusting teachers' grades when the algorithm debacle came around and I'm constantly standing up for them on here. My fiancee is a teacher so I know how unfair all the bullshit thrown at them is.

    If I'm wrong I'm very happy to hear why. I'm far from being above changing my opinion.

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    That's right Mo, teach him. Then give him an A* whether he understands you or not. Disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    The A-level results are a bit of an embarrassment for teachers IMO. They were trusted to give grades in line with what's usually required and given the outcome they quite clearly haven't done that.
    Interested to see your take on this Mo as other than the embarrassment bit RL's post seems to be a statement of fact.


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    Is the hard cap on medical places due to teaching resources (which could be resolved) or scummy, money-grabbing doctors looking to restrict supply? It seems like a daft situation to persist either way.

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    As if doctors have any control over the number of medical school places available.

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    No, that's controlled by the Gates Foundation.

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    It won't just be decided without any input from the various medical associations.

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    Lee decides.

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    The "various medical associations" are forever advising that more medical school places are made available.

    E.g. https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-su...england-report

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    There’s a medical student on Love Island. Priya.
    I'm a twit

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    To answer the original question, it's because the government won't fund additional places.

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    Nice to see the educational system over there being as much of a joke as the one over here.

    EDIT: Having rechecked the figure, nevermind. Still, lol.

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    We don't have school boards voting to ban science text books in favour of religious ones so we're a few steps ahead.

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    I honestly don't care much about curriculum. Grade inflation, on the other hand, is a problem.

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    "It doesn't matter if you teach them nonsense so long as they are tested on it properly".

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    Exactly. No one remembers shit, anyway.

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    Then grading is irrelevant too.

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    No it's not.

    School is a sorting mechanism (and, you know, daycare so parents can work). The more compressed the grades are, the less effective it is.

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    Don't get me wrong, I think that teaching creationism instead of evolution is stupid, but something tells me that once teaching gender identities and anti-racism to five year old kids becomes widespread, I'll be happy to have less mental options around.

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    But if nobody remembers anything anyway who gives a shit if little Tommy got a B or C in Old Testamentography?

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    Again, sorting. You need to keep up.

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    "Sorting" only makes sense if you're testing the right stuff.

    A Flanders having A* knowledge in a Bible Class masquerading as a Science class is pointless.

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    His argument is that school only serves to work out who is capable of learning and that WHAT they learn is irrelevant.

    There's probably an element of truth but I don't buy it entirely. At least some fields definitely require building on prior knowledge/understanding.
    Last edited by randomlegend; 10-08-2021 at 12:41 PM.

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    Which is why SAT-style testing is much better than topical testing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    His argument is that school only serves to work out who is capable of learning and that WHAT they learn is irrelevant.

    There's probably an element of truth but I don't buy it entirely. At least some fields definitely require building on prior knowledge/understanding.
    A combination of intelligence, hard work, and conformity.

    Agreed on the last part. But maths and reading/writing probably suffice for pretty much everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    His argument is that school only serves to work out who is capable of learning and that WHAT they learn is irrelevant.

    There's probably an element of truth but I don't buy it entirely. At least some fields definitely require building on prior knowledge/understanding.
    I get the argument and I largely agree, but only if the curriculum is up to it.

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    https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/m...x=1628594206-1

    This sums up my thoughts quite well. After two years any teacher knows what a pupil is capable of/deserves. The great equaliser is exams, where some students crumble under the pressure, or loads do really well so they drop the grade boundaries. Pupil X has demonstrated consistently over two years they are capable of A/A* grade work, but fucks one exam and walks away with a B. That sort of occurrence has been removed this year, hence students are awarded (note: not handed) the grades they've demonstrated they deserve (or if private, have bought).

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    I find it quite hard believe that prior to this year there were a fifth of the total candidates each year who were capable of A or A* but underperformed on the day to such an extent that they dropped a full one or two grades.

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    I was capable of a B at GCSE Chemistry and got an A*. There's got to be plenty of that about as well as the other direction.

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    There was a world of distance between my Coursework and my test marks. Tests are shit. All they evaluate is your short-term memory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    There was a world of distance between my Coursework and my test marks. Tests are shit. All they evaluate is your short-term memory.
    But they're the method we use so the grades handed out this year (and last) should have been roughly equivalent to previous years and not miles ahead.

    If this way is fine then presumably we'll do likewise every year now and everyone's happy with that, right?

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    Could you not just as easily say that all coursework evaluates is your ability to copy stuff off the internet?

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    Depends how the exams are written and whether they test understanding or just fact recall.

    Coursework just tests how good you are at writing to a mark scheme and how much effort you're willing to put in.

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    Bit daft.

    Who was equating them even remotely with any sort of "wave of crass nationalism"? I really doubt xenophobic, Brexit Party types had started turning up to BSP concerts en-masse. I really doubt they are even aware BSP exist. It just comes off as a silly attention grab.

    It was a great band name too. Besides, I always thought it was meant ironically. The debut album was called "The Decline of British Sea Power", for fucks sake. "Sea Power" on its own just sounds stupid.

    I always associate them a little bit with TTH too because Elth or Fandan or Shindig (somebody of that ilk) originally put me onto to them in the old "10 Songs" thread many, many years ago.

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    Howay, lads. Don't be fucking daft.

    I can't remember who got me into them. It might've been Baz or Rage.

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