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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    She looks alright in that picture.
    I put her in the shameful lustage thread a while back. She is at the top of her genre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    Unpopular opinion I imagine, but I think it's wrong to do that to someone who was 15 when they made that decision and when it's very well known how predatory and brain-washing groups like ISIS can be. If the situation were picked up before she left I'd imagine she'd have been treated as a vulnerable individual and it would've been a safeguarding issue rather than criminalising her. Left and married a Dutch recruit as a 15 year old? She couldn't even legally consent to that in the UK.

    Lol at the assertion she's a significant national security risk.
    I doubt it's particularly unpopular outside of UKIP Twitter.

    She's a knob, but she was clearly groomed online and as far as I'm aware, apart from being the miserable wives of IS 'soldiers', women don't exactly do alot over there. What is her actual crime?

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    I think people would have more sympathy if she'd changed her viewpoint in the last 6 years. She only wanted back in because of the free healthcare.

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    People who've undergone that sort of grooming need some actual help to change their views. You can't expect to just stick then under armed guard in Syria and have them become enlightened.

    People are so quick to judge those who are in situations they have absolutely no comprehension of.
    Last edited by randomlegend; 26-02-2021 at 02:54 PM.

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    I don't think being stripped of my citizenship and being left in a detention centre in the desert would convince me that I was wrong to have believed that the west is evil and hates my people, either.

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    She has been treated harshly all things considered. That said: fuck her.

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    That's pretty much summed up my thoughts on the matter.

    Oh dear, how sad, never mind, if you will.

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    It's not about liking her or feeling sympathy for her specifically (arguable based on what's said above about the indoctrination/grooming that took place at a young age) but it does set a potentially dangerous precedent if a government can basically decide you stateless (especially if you don't have a second nationality).

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    As the Bulger case has demonstrated time and time again we have a weird response in this country when children do heinous things. And when it's the wrong/right type of heinous our values and application of human rights goes out of the window.

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    Probably because kids that age should know better. I know parenting comes into it but kids doing those types of things are so, so rare.

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    Hasn't one of the Bulger killers repeatedly been nicked for possessing child porn? Odd example, lad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Hasn't one of the Bulger killers repeatedly been nicked for possessing child porn? Odd example, lad.
    Not recently as far as I know (unless he's done it again), but he did a while ago.

    They were tried in an adult court when they were too young to have been prior to their crime and the general consensus still appears to be that we should have lynched them. It's a sound example.

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    They should have been buried alive at the time.

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    Rightly or wrongly, bringing her back would be more of a headache. If she never reoffends she will still need police protection etc more than likely and anything she is given will be held up as ridiculous compared to our brave servicemen etc.

    And if she reoffends then she either blows herself up in poundland and it's a shit show or is a standard bearer for radical Islam in the UK. It's not great fucking her off but probably the least sticky of the options available. Can you imagine a Corbyn led government letting her back in

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shindig View Post
    Probably because kids that age should know better. I know parenting comes into it but kids doing those types of things are so, so rare.
    If a kid is groomed into having sex with a load of 40 year olds, nobody says "it's their own fault they should know that's wrong". This isn't any different.

    If anyone should be given the benefit of the doubt and every attempt made to reform them, it's children.

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    Having awkward citizens is probably one of your responsibilities. Basically saying she's a citizen of nowhere feels like an abdication of duty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    If a kid is groomed into having sex with a load of 40 year olds, nobody says "it's their own fault they should know that's wrong". This isn't any different.

    If anyone should be given the benefit of the doubt and every attempt made to reform them, it's children.
    Actually if a kid is groomed into doing that more often than not the authorities class it as a lifestyle choice rather than a genuine issue and the public are outraged, it's the reverse of what is happening with Begum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Hasn't one of the Bulger killers repeatedly been nicked for possessing child porn? Odd example, lad.
    It doesn't mean that 10 year old children shouldn't be treated like 10 year old children in respect to the law. To basically parrot the Secret Barristers latest book, the law needs to treat everyone equally even the ones we don't like.

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    Yeah it's a massive problem how people are willing to rip up the rule book as soon as it's someone they REALLY don't like.

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    If every other high-profile deportation case is anything to go by she will end up back here eventually, but doing it like this at least sort of leaves the door open to not having to let her back in. If they let her back in now by the time they got round to actually (somehow) winning the case she would be fifteen kids in with Taz and get to stay for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    It doesn't mean that 10 year old children shouldn't be treated like 10 year old children in respect to the law. To basically parrot the Secret Barristers latest book, the law needs to treat everyone equally even the ones we don't like.
    You are absolutely 100% correct and only a moron would argue that. But, with that it mind:

    They stoned a 2 year old, shoved a battery up his arse and beat him to death on some train tracks. Fuck 'em.

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    Begum would've been better off turning down every interview and having some kind of legal rep doing all the press. As soon as she opens her mouth, she does damage to her case. And it doesn't help her husband's a paedo.

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    Can you guys stop stealing our moves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    It's not about liking her or feeling sympathy for her specifically (arguable based on what's said above about the indoctrination/grooming that took place at a young age) but it does set a potentially dangerous precedent if a government can basically decide you stateless (especially if you don't have a second nationality).
    Short of inventing one for you (which is arguably the case here) they can't actually do this.

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    She should be allowed back to the UK, for me. Then immediately arrested and hung for treason.

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    I'm with Zom.

    And Spikester and Lewis getting boners over her is a worry.

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    Hanged.

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    That'll show those barbaric bastards.

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    It made me wonder, "Oh, I wonder what America did with the Columbine kids?" before remembering how that ended.

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    A quick google suggests the yanks have sentenced 22 under 18's to death since 1985 but they were all on Death Row for a while before being given the lethal injection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lofty View Post
    A quick google suggests the yanks have sentenced 22 under 18's to death since 1985 but they were all on Death Row for a while before being given the lethal injection.
    Jesus fucking Christ.

    Americans are just irredeemably appalling.

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    "Under 18" needs further information. How many were 6, how many were 17?

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    When they were killed or when they were sentenced?

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    Did the crime.

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    It is really good banter when their other Nationality is from New Zealand.

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    American sports suspensions are hilarious. When they’re not giving people 1 game bans for steroids, Malik Beasley has just received the equivalent of a 6 match ban in football for... pointing an AK 47 at a couple who were house hunting in the neighbourhood, then being found with pounds of weed and a stolen gun (that wasn’t the AK 47) by police officers called by said couple.

    He’ll be going to jail for 6 months once the seasons ended...

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-56218554

    On Wednesday, during his show on Bayern3, Mr Matuschik played the group's cover of Coldplay's "Fix You" on his show, calling it "blasphemy".

    "For this you will be vacationing in North Korea for the next 20 years!" he added.

    Mr Matuschik then described BTS as "some crappy virus that hopefully there will be a vaccine for soon as well".

    The host then started to backtrack telling listeners: "You can't accuse me of xenophobia. I have a car from South Korea. I have the coolest car ever."
    Good old German sense of humour. That said, I reckon there's a creeping threat of 'fandoms' as they are known (always of utter crap) trying to cancel people (often under racist/whatever pretences) because people don't like the same stuff they do.

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    So apparently a large slice of the city I live in was evacuated yesterday and I had absolutely no idea.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-56221697

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    Pretty sure I planted that in 2007.

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    It has resulted in the somewhat bizarre circumstance of being told by the Coast Guard to stay inside today if at all possible. We are at least 10 miles from anything resembling a coastline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    "Under 18" needs further information. How many were 6, how many were 17?
    The majority of that stat were 17.

    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    When they were killed or when they were sentenced?
    They were sentenced at that age then executed in their 20s or later.

    Pre 1985 it gets worse: in 1959 a 17 year old was executed in the gas chamber. In 1944 they put a 14 year old in the electric chair... afterwards there was significant doubt about the conviction.

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    We need some sort of democratic hanging system to absolve the state of any errors that it might make. Amend the sentencing guidelines to allow for it (which would have the added bonus of neutralising any Legal Twitter criticism because The Law), and then when some national elections roll around have another ballot with all the potential executions up for vote.

    'When you go to the polls tomorrow, think about those little girls...'

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    Keep them in prison for a bit which will allow for enough time to ensure they definitely did it. Rose West, come on down.

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    This did not feel particularly controlled (even if I initially thought the wind had blown a door closed upstairs).


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    I have very little recollection of the Selby rail crash and just saw it's the 20th anniversary. Baffled that the gimp who caused the whole thing has claimed it was fate and doesn't think he should be blamed for the deaths! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-12591249 (I know it's an old article, found it when looking for more pictures of the crash)

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    I thought the same [about no recollection] which I can probably attribute to being at uni at the time and news being an awful lot less ubiquitous back then.

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    There are plenty of unlucky coincidences that made that crash worse but I think it's probably fair to blame it on the guy who decided to drive across the country on almost no sleep and only woke up once he was sat on the west coast main line.

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    I can't even blame the bird he was sexting. What an absolute pest.

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    If you had 10 accidental deaths on your record I reckon you would find a way to absolve yourself of it, in your own mind. What else can you do? You'd end up topping yourself.

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    Become a spokesman for rail safety. That's the other route.

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