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    Why can a UK Prime Minister not visit a black majority country without it being demanded that he apologise for what people got up to in the 16th-18th century? And why is he not asked to apologise for the Corn Laws and workhouses?

    Even if he did apologise, he'd just be asked about it again on the following visit.

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    I'd also like a pm when the Arabs are asked to apologise for their even bigger slave trade in the past. Cheers.

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    What do we read into this?

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    Ipsos MORI has done a Twitter sentiment analysis of tweets about Jeremy Corbyn’s speech. They looked at 41,000 tweets and classified almost 20,000 of them as positive or negative. Some 76% were positive. By comparison, when Ed Miliband gave his last conference speech as leader in 2014, only 24% were positive.


    The establishment and media can try to fuck him up however they like; but the public already don't trust those. His message may just get through.

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    You sound like a UKIP supporter now, Henners. Welcome aboard!

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    Twitter, mate.

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    Noisy minority. The electorate can see right through him, it's only students and older hippies that favourite that.

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    'The left wing mob' as Peter Hitchens rightly describes Twitter.

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    That's good but the people who decide elections probably aren't the people on Twitter during his conference speech. They probably didn't even watch his conference speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair View Post
    'The left wing mob' as Peter Hitchens rightly describes Twitter.
    Twitters about as centrist as you can get. There's nutters of all shapes and sizes; Skinheads, Communists, Socialists, UKIPpers, Corbynites, Zionists, Anti Zionists, Misogynists, Meninists, Evangelists, Puritans, ISIS and any other nutter shaped hole there is in the world. It's why it's so great.

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    It isn't, support on Twitter pretty much guarantees failure in whatever ballot its discussing. Whether there's a mixture of everybody or not, these analyses always show a huge bias towards the left-leaning options.

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    Some might be aware that my local MP, Alistair Carmichael, has had a court case lodged against him due to comments he made in the run up to the General Election (denying knowledge of the leaked memo regarding Sturgeon's supposed comments about a preferring a Tory government). Anyway, to the surprise of many following it, the case hasn't been chucked out at the first hurdle and Carmichael will now have to give evidence.

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    It's probably thoroughly dull to others but it does seem like the case has some wider implications, as its really the first time the Representation of the People Act has been interpreted in this way. The spoilered bit is a good summary of what has gone on from here: http://lallandspeatworrier.blogspot....-evidence.html

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    If they backdated that 650 times we'd have a pleasantly empty House of Commons.

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    So a lot of people are still saying and have been saying all along. I don't think it's really the case though, as there's still a few hurdles for the petitioners to overcome before anything would actually come of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post


    The establishment and media can try to fuck him up however they like; but the public already don't trust those. His message may just get through.
    On this point, polling on opposition leaders started in 1955.

    Corbyn is, by some distance, the most unpopular opposition leader in their first few weeks in office since polling began, with a -8 rating:

    http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/201...ry-of-polling/

    The nuclear issue is bizarre, in one way. You can't have a party with an official defence policy that is pro-Trident, and a leader (the only one in the proposed 'alternative government' who would exercise the royal prerogative and thus be able to press the button) saying he'll never press the button under any circumstances. The Tory attacks are going to stick, and he's going to sink. If he can't even get traction in the first few weeks when a new leader would generally get the benefit of the doubt then he has nowhere really to go. He's certainly never going to recover enough ground to be remotely competitive in 2020. If anything, it's just going to alienate more potential Labour voters who think the party have lost the plot.

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    The longer the lefties believe their own hype, the better. If this Labour regime gets all the way through to an actual general election there will be a complete bloodbath.

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    This is a good article by Aditya Chalrabortty - Corbyn must slay the zombie ideas that blight our economy.

    I think he's probably my favourite journalist/commentator.

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    I saw Seamus Milne telling us not to write him off the other day. It's over.

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    It would be fine if otherwise sensible people weren't using fucking Twitter mentions, of all things, as evidence that "the message is getting through".

    Most people just want to be left alone to get on with things.

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    David Cameron: 'We've lost a huge figure of post-war politics. A hero in World War Two as Beach Master at Anzio and a brave politician, Denis Healey told his party hard truths about Britain having to live within her means'.

    Have a day off mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    It would be fine if otherwise sensible people weren't using fucking Twitter mentions, of all things, as evidence that "the message is getting through".

    Most people just want to be left alone to get on with things.
    Is your implication that this is what the Tories are doing? If so, big LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    Is your implication that this is what the Tories are doing? If so, big LOL
    Let me consult recent Twitter trends and get back to you.

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    Twitter is left leaning, but not by as much as some think. What makes it a lousy predictor is that it's an echo chamber - because you curate your own feed, it's unlikely most people have any idea what people who disagree with them are saying, apart from the subset of deliberate trolls.

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    That Robert Peston clip on HIGNFY on Friday night was gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    That Robert Peston clip on HIGNFY on Friday night was gold.


    Yeah.

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    There are a load of protestors at Tory conference spitting at journalists and holding up banners like 'Get the Tories Out'.

    Didn't we just have an election?

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    The lad who gobbed at the journalist will end up being from some right posh family. The Mail will be working on the story as we speak.

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    At least he didn't fuck a dead pig.

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    If these wasters spent as much time and effort building a career as they do being hoodlums they might have a bit less to moan about.

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    Maybe they don't think living to work is a very good idea.

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    Clearly they don't think that.

    EDIT: Oops, that should have read don't.

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    What?

    Speaking of careers:
    Half of all teachers in England threaten to quit as morale crashes

    http://gu.com/p/4dxkt?CMP=Share_Andr...y_to_clipboard

    Nice one, tories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy
    Didn't we just have an election?
    You do realise that democracy isn't just something that happens every five years, don't you?

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    How do they propose to 'Get the Tories Out', then?

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    There should be a mechanism in place for teachers to take control of (or even start their own) schools and run them more according to their ideas. Some sort of 'Free Schools' programme or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    There should be a mechanism in place for teachers to take control of (or even start their own) schools and run them more according to their ideas. Some sort of 'Free Schools' programme or something like that.
    If they actually work like that why do teachers hate them so much?

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    Because they're lazy communist whingers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    At least he didn't fuck a dead pig.
    One unsubstantiated, uncorroborated story in a book which is, at best, a hatchet job by someone with an axe to grind.

    If anything, the Ashcroft book has made Cameron look quite sensible in that it's demonstrated he was quite right to deprive him of any meaningful office post-2010 because he's clearly not fit for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    You do realise that democracy isn't just something that happens every five years, don't you?
    It's not, but they won a democratic election. What do they propose to do, exactly? Orchestrate a coup? Let's check Twitter and see what they think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Because they're lazy communist whingers.
    Quite. That and a load of centralised nonsense like continuous inspections, paperwork, examinations, testing and so forth create an atmosphere where kids are taught to the test rather than fostering a genuine spirit of education. Academies with flexibility over curricula are a step forward on this.

    We should re-introduce academic selection and proper grammar schools as well.

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    I went to a posh(ish) school and even there all the teachers were unreconstructed Marxists. It's part of the psyche. The job is fundamentally about telling people what to do, which suits a left wing perspective.

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    It's hard to know in which direction you would start windmilling here. The state of those Young Conservatives.

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    It seems you have to be a bit of a bellend to actively identify with one party or another, especially outside an election cycle. It's not a football team.

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    It's hard to find a scenario where a group of people could come off worse than Young Tories, but those unwashed, egg throwing morons have managed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    Quite. That and a load of centralised nonsense like continuous inspections, paperwork, examinations, testing and so forth create an atmosphere where kids are taught to the test rather than fostering a genuine spirit of education. Academies with flexibility over curricula are a step forward on this.

    We should re-introduce academic selection and proper grammar schools as well.
    I wouldn't waste your time. What lefties like Hennerz really love are dictators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    Academies with flexibility over curricula are a step forward on this..
    Many lols were had.

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    I've been warning of this left wing mob mentality for some time, in various forms.

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