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I've always thought a great monster raving loony equivalent would be someone fielding a bunch of candidates as 'The Nazi Party' complete with uniforms, swastika armbands, toothbrush moustaches and comical German noms de plume - and manifesto items like 'We will gas all the juice'. Doubt Twitter would approve of the joke though so it's probably not a goer.
Were it not for the 2008 CHANGE train, the 'Hillary' cult would have been the most sinister thing in recent history.
I loved this shit:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h-42YsYWZM
They don't even realise which is the best bit.
How is everything in the world Tony Blairs fault if the leader of the party doesn't matter?
It's weird how you're all pretending the 'unelected prime minister' thing was only ever levelled at May.
It was fucking massive when Brown was in. I've hardly seen it mentioned with regards to May except for your strawmen on here.
It's good, but this will never be topped. David Cameron shitting himself in Steve Hilton's allotment just can't compete.
To this day I still devote at least an hour a week to lolling at that Labour one of people in Chiswick having their kids confiscated and hospital torched.
Christ, that hasn't aged well. Obama the President took himself far less seriously than that as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcRXbsPafBM
Such innocent times when the main election issues were MP expenses and the bankers the bonuses the bankers the bonuses. RIP ginner.
I think Jezza should re-create this, but with a Morning Star, and a Trabant, and so on.
Ken Loach selling balloons instead of Paterson Joseph, Diane Abbott at the flower stall.
I really am looking forward to the Jezmania aspect of this campaign, it'll be class. The man is a living legend.
Can we have 'Things Can Only Get Jezza' as the thread sub-title?
Your damn emails. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
He lost the primary in that moment (which Trump called immediately, funnily enough).
As another Five Live breakfast politics thing turns into another North - South debate (which the beeb can't be fucked with for time constraints), I've realised we're always going to get fucked over. "I've made more funding for X" quickly becomes, "There's not much need for X in the North." Makes me realise most political policies have the all the precision of a hammer operated by a child.
That's the one thing that infuriates me about all governments. 'We've made an extra £xbn available'
Well how do we know that's enough and it's being spent properly you cockwombles?
Surely you're voting for the party as led by Cameron/May/Corbyn/whoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
The leader has a lot of influence on the direction of the party. The Conservatives under May are different from the Conservatives under Cameron. It's easy to see why people want to have a say on whether they like the new direction the government is taking when the leader changes.
We vote in representatives to the Parliament and then it's up to them to sort themselves out. The makeup and priorities of the government / opposition are inevitably going to change within a 5 year period and sometimes that includes the leader.
It's more the media circus and desperation to be like America with a presidential system (because personalities sell papers) that drives the stuff about party leadership, rather than anything constitutional.
Just voted in my local council election.
1. Lib Dem
2. Labour
3. Tory
:harold:
What a mong
The wife just voted as well, and because I'm learning Portuguese right now (fuk u Enty) I just went through and asked her if she knew what the first/second/third person is and she replied:
Oh I can't remember, didn't I put Labour/Lib Dem/that guy from round the corner?
LOL.
They may want to, but they have no intrinsic right to. Ultimately the governing party is effectively bound by their manifesto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yeldoow
The Salisbury Convention dictates that the Lords won't block anything that was included in the manifesto, but if it wasn't then they are free to do so. It's why May wouldn't get grammar schools through in this parliament without a fresh mandate.
Hammond wanted to increase NIC, and couldn't because of the outcry over a manifesto breach. Changing PM doesn't change any of this, so it's not a relevant trigger for a new election. People voted for a party, and their programme for government. The leader is irrelevant.
On a side note, the Liberal "Democrats" are on record as saying they won't abide by the Salisbury Convention any more. Effectively they're using their Lords in lieu of being roasted in the general election. When you consider that in the context of their clear policy breach on tuition fees, and their Brexit stance, they're probably the most anti democratic party in the UK.
https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-14-2015/41ylpj.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by GS
Them too.
I look forward to our one party state.
No they aren't. They violate their manifesto promises all over the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by GS
Yes but the people elected them KNOWING they would break their manifesto promises, so can you stop protesting about it please?
For the first time ever I'm considering taking the Friday off work and pulling an all-nighter.
I remember reading stuff like that on here before and thinking how unbelievably sad you'd have to be.
Why would you do that for the most boring election of all time?
P.S. Carswell is going to step down. BOTTLING the showdown with Arron Banks.
Poor old Arron Banks has been rather blindsided by all this I think. The wanker. No time to get his personality cult properly off the ground.
Yes, they are. Certainly in the context that we're discussing. Some promises obviously become redundant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry
You do get the odd material exception (Lib Dems on tuition, or Labour refusing to have a vote on the Lisbon Treaty) but they get their comeuppance when they go back before the public.
It's not a perfect system, but it's as good as you're going to get.
We could, of course, have stayed in the EU where there are no manifestos and no mechanisms for booting out the wankers. But there you are.
Actually, I might chuck Jezza a sympathy vote. The Conservatives always win round here anyway. Bless him and his little 'anti-Establishment' pitch. UKIP have already pocketed that card, Jez.
The list of manifesto promises broken is endless. There is no mechanism to bind anyone to them. You're talking shit.
Your failure to understand the constitutional settlement in the UK remains a source of constant fascination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry
Perhaps you've been spending too much time looking at Twitter trends.
This guy has helpfully catalogued 21 manifesto promises that have been broken by the Tories since 2015. You could come up with similar lists for other governments. It's quite clear that these are regarded less as things they intend to do but as a vague wish-list that may or may not change depending on what suits.
Clearly any constitutional measure intended to hold them to their promises is defective.
He's helpfully catalogued a list, but more unhelpfully has catalogued a list that includes fundamental errors.
Not that I have time to go through the whole thing, because why would you, but even a cursory look demonstrates this. Obvious examples include the single market (superseded by the referendum), grammar schools (which haven't gone ahead and would be blocked by the Lords).
I'm sure there are many other discrepancies in his list, but it clearly cannot be considered credible.
The promise about the single market is that they would stay in regardless of the referendum. You, Tory boy, are the one who isn't credible.
It says "yes to the single market... Yes to a family of nation states all part of the European Union". The discussion is in the context of European Union membership, but then it says, later on the same page no less, "we will hold that in-out referendum before the end of 2017 and respect the outcome".
This is consistent with what they did. Cameron renegotiated, they held a referendum, the government's official position was to stay in, but they lost and are now implementing the result.
If you want to fabricate your own view, that's fine, just spare the rest of us your fiction.
Manifestos should be binned as well. We should be electing representatives to make the right choices on the issues of the day, whatever those issues may be.
Manifestos are fine - you need to have some sort of programme to put to the country, and we'd end up having the American shite of the opposition packaging together interview clips to try and claim they've lied.
Basically what Henry is doing now, only on YouTube.
The referendum was not about the single market, and it's quite clear that it's still possible to stay in - except that the Tories are prioritizing other things and making that impossible. Having made clear that you have no problem with politicians lying reflexively, one wonder why you're bothering to pretend that they haven't in this instance. Probably just the partisan blinkers.
The referendum was about everything the single market and customs union entails. Leaving the EU means leaving its institutions. This isn't hard.
There's quite a lot of debate and discussion about what leaving the EU entails. You don't get to declare it from on high.
Thought I'd have to wait another 3 years for this. :drool:
EDIT: GS and Henn0rz, that is.
Technically it's your local representative, but in reality most people base their vote on the leader of the party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
I was too young to really appreciate The Troubles, is this pretty much what it was like?
Don't be so fucking stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spikey M
This is way worse.
Well, I do feel like I have shrapnel in my eyes.
I'd rather be bombed shopping with my family rather than read Henry and GS having banter.
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