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Trust the Sand Snakes to throw away a tactical advantage like that, just to be petty. House Martell has now been totally wiped out, right?
"You let them kill one of our people"
*Promptly kills every remaining member of the royal family*
Oberyn aside that whole region has been a waste of time anyway. The characters have been crap, the land has been poorly portrayed, and the storylines have been piffle. Oberyn was such a great character and the actor knocked so many scenes out of the park that they've roughly broken even, but they should cut that land adrift now. It's the only one with an OS so declare it dead space and move on.
Dorne was what I had in mind last page when I said the writers had thoroughly messed up anything they freelanced on.
It's not exactly compelling in the books, but everyone makes sense. The show version is a clusterfuck of awful.
Oberyn dying after donning The Mountain was little more than Martin squawking "DEATH TWIST!" I reckon he uses a random number generator to determine how many people die per book because he's certainly not doing it based on what's good for storylines. Especially given Mt. Zombie is going to spend some time being Cersei's enforcer and then get done in by somebody else anyway.
He had to die in order to make Tyrion piss off to the other side of the world, didn't he?
What was going on with Melisandre at the end, by the way? She had her tits out, then my phone made a noise, then I looked up and it was suddenly a 90 year old sagging porno.
She took off her necklace and turned into.... That. Supposedly she's been seen in the bath without her necklace before, but I haven't checked if that's true.
And I'm with John on the Tystane thing. Mahow's right that we've never seen him in Westeros, but I can only assume he was on a boat because he sailed with Myrcella. She never went back to Westeros in the books so not sure how that can be used as evidence on this point. Unless I'm forgetting something.
I think Melisandre revealing her true "self" was more to do with her fading belief in her God and so the power was slipping away along with her self belief not due to any sort of magical jewelery she had removed.
Not a bad episode but the Dorne storyline at least in the TV series sucks shit through a straw though..
It's very much tied to the necklace, the thing glows and pulsates... it's clearly not normal.
That said, I agree that those are the reasons she took it off.
Apologies John, I was wrong.
I had forgotten that Trystane had gone to Kings Landing, he was meant to be on the small council.
The whole thing is so much worse.
Is this thread only about what has happened in the series so far or can we also say what we think might come about?
Speculation is fine. Fire away.
Ed will return in time with an army of wildlings to prevent the burning of John Snows body, Melisandre will then go on and bring him back to life (Thoros follows the same God and I'm sure he has brought one of his mates back to life a few times)
Daenerys will win over the Dothraki Horde she is currently stuck with so giving her a massive army to back up her elite warriors, then she will get her shit together and manage to get back across the sea.
I still think her and John are half brother and sister so John will end up flying one of the dragons along with her against the white walkers.
Bran will help out in the war by commanding the "children" or whatever they are against the walkers.
All the other plots are just filler I reckon Just can't see what the storyline in Dorne is going to bring to anything really.
Apparently the dragons are going to burn dorne to the ground.
If the most popular theory about John/Dany is true then they'd be Aunt/Nephew, not Brother/Sister. Not that it particularly matters. They'd still need a third "head" for the dragon but John certainly seems to be one.
Melisandre almost certainly has something to do with John coming back ,but I question why she wouldn't do it straight away, or why his death would make her question everything if she can just being him back. It very much feels like a technicality that's just been written in so Jon can escape his vows.
I wouldn't care if Bran was never mentioned again, both in the shows and the books.
I feel Theon will play some important part in the end as well.
They haven't made her bring him back for DRAMA I imagine, let people think that she wont/can't do it for a bit.
Either that or she doesn't actually know how and they call Thoros in.
Maybe Bran will warg into the third dragon?
Bran could just talk to the White Walkers, he'd bore them to death.
I can't help but think Rickon has to have some role. Otherwise why is he even there? All the other Starks have major storylines, even if Bran's are awful.
Isn't Tyrion the third dragon person?
The Three-eyed raven did tell him he would never walk again but he will fly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
Do we think that's Dorne finished with? I can't remember seeing anything of it in the trailers but do the Lannisters have no suspicion of foul play?
Hodor will be on a dragon.
http://falcona.com.au/news/hodors-ra...-national-tour
Prepare yourself, for winter is coming and the nights are dark and full of terrors. Fortunately the House Falcona is bringing one of the largest characters from Winterfell across the seas and onto our shores - Kristian Nairn aka HODOR will be heading down under this August hosting some of the most anticipated gatherings since the beheading of the Hand.
HODOR's dedication to carrying Bran on his back has become legend but what is less well known is how much he enjoys carrying the party vibes long into the night. An established DJ in his homeland, HODOR of House Stark will be showcasing some of the deepest house from all seven kingdoms at his very own Rave Of Thrones.
Fucking hell :D
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Right, caught up so;
Dorne. Oh what's that? A new area with potential for something different story wise? Would be a shame if someone shit all over it.
Sansa and Theon. Yay. However all things come in three and this is the third person who Brienne has sworn loyalty to. What happened to the other two? Oh.
Davos still remains a don.
Despite her not being there, The Queen of Dragging Scenes still lives on in Meereen.
Speaking of her, what are the chances she goes to widow kingdom and gets a new army? Yawn.
The Red Woman. *shudders*
Did I mention Davos is a don?.
Margery is dead. Let her go and hope that Zombie Cleagane gives the strict bitch and fist through the gut. Bonus points if he's chanting SHAME over and over.
Good to see not totally massive foreshadowing for Ser Friendzone.
Davos is still a don.
Can someone give a heads up for when I can discuss this without spoiling British watchers?
It airs 9pm our time - which is 9 hours and 8 minutes after this post.
Cheers.
They're simulcasting it at 2am every Monday morning, so there's no need to wait until 9pm here. That's if you have Sky Atlantic, mind.
I'm happy to wait for UK broadcast time. I'll have things to say tomorrow. :D
Just watched it. I'd say that's up there with the best episodes they've done.
Read the recap of the story and finding it a little harder to keep waiting for the season to be over now.
Yep. Excellent episode. They're still in the prices of setting shit up but it's being done with more focus and speed this time.
Also Ramsay Bolton. Just when you thought the Lord Bastard couldn't get even more bastardy he manages it.
That was great.
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Liked it. Hordor to turn into a fluent speaker and dominate the north.
Oh yeah, Mahow reminded me that as usual, Davos is a fucking don.
So we are now finally past book 2 in the Iron Islands.
Outstanding episode. Every scene carried weight and felt like it was driving the story somewhere:
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That was a masterclass in making every scene feel important to the overall story.
Looks like we're getting The Tower of Joy flashback next week.
I thought it was fantastic. I just love some of the things borrowed from history, like the Lord of Light paralleling the spread of Christianity in the early Roman Empire.
I thought they fucked the 'resurrection' a bit by structuring it like every other 'save the hero' scene in the history of film. The desperately in need of redemption character tries their best, the hero's friends gradually peel off as they lose hope, the non-human knows before everyone else, and the hero wakes up with a gasp. Admittedly it's usually someone a bit more recently dead, but then the Castle Black scenes seem to be happening at a vastly different pace than the rest of the show so it could be forty five minutes later for all we know.
That aside, I loved most of the rest of it.
Tyrion with the dragons represented the furthest out of the park a ball has been whacked on this show since Oberyn told him a story. That he presumably done it acting opposite a clothes horse with some tennis balls on it makes it perhaps more impressive than the scene about his 'little pink cock'.
My renewed enthusiasm for the Bran stuff is more down to the casting than what we've actually been shown, since I have faith that Max von Sydow won't be wasted and so that corner of the story will actually get some serious drama or take on a greater role in the story. The flashback to when the Targaryans were around ought to be good fun.
My one criticism aside from the resurrection is the Arya scene. It's such obvious jogging in place that it annoyed me, even as a man was reminding me how much I loved those speech patterns. Over two episodes, a fifth of the time available, Arya has learned, done, and contributed precisely zero. They've been spinning their wheels in a big way since she turned up at that temple, but there was at least some forward momentum around her before. The end of the scene tonight could have been the first scene of the first episode and we could have very easily inferred everything that went before.
The stuff in the Iron Islands was boring but a change in leadership of the irrelevant territories seems to be a theme of the season and will obviously pay off down the road, so I was engaged the moment that ninja appeared on the bridge.
Excellent stuff overall.
Jon is going to be the 'saviour' of civilisation against the White Walkers. No-one knows his true parentage, only a small number of his brothers accept his leadership (the Jews), their previous enemies are now fully on-board despite initial scepticism (the Gentiles) and he's just been resurrected from the dead to lead the armies of the living (or, if you will, the light) against the armies of the dead.
It was an excellent episode but the knowledge that, if form holds, it'll be one of about three good ones for the season does little to dampen an increasing sense of boredom with it.
Ramsay is utterly tedious and that whole thing undermined the fact that Roose is meant to know what the fuck he's doing. I'm already bored of Mount Zombie. The resurrection was completely predictable. The Arya stuff is, currently, a load of yawn.
There's lots of good stuff though. Dinklage and Pryce were excellent as always. Jaime's actor is pretty consistent as well and his accent is less wobbly than it used to be. Bran might actually be of some fucking use and I'll take it all back if his flashbacks give us some more Charles Dance. SOMETHING HAPPENED IN KING'S LANDING AGAIN!
Bran looks about 25 now. Can't have any sex scenes or we'll see his hairy chest.
Looks like he is just a plot device to introduce more backstory as well. I was wondering why he existed.
I think the death and resurrection has less to do with service to a clumsy metaphor and more to do with getting him out of his oath.
I'll put a quid on the table now that Ramsey dies in the mouth of one of his dogs, perhaps warged by Bran.
I bet episodes like that have the Book Wankers absolutely seething. Enjoy reading it in five years, lads.
Ramsay feels like his only purpose is to provide satisfaction when somebody halves him with a sword. If he's going to march on the Wall like the fucking mongoloid idiot he is (the North should be about to break down into mini-civil war but presumably everybody's going to go "Oh, alright" and get behind Ramsay) then maybe Jon Snerr will be the one to do him in.
They've done too much clumsy foreshadowing for Ramsey to get a halfway noble death, although the show's apparent commitment to letting the wankers win might overrule what's gone before. Ramsey had too much faith in how well he'd programmed Theon, and Theon flipped his bird over a wall. Roose had too much faith in how well he'd programmed Ramsey, and Ramsey stuck one in his lung. The only thing Ramsey has any ostensible faith in now is those dogs, so if he doesn't get his carotid chewed out then they've been writing towards an ending that never comes. Or I suppose Martin has been writing towards one that the showrunners think is tosh.
The Ramsey thing was the only real negative out of that episode to me, as he himself is not interesting and Roose should have seen that situation a mile off. He's similar to the lot in Dorne whereby the dull one dimensional character(s) seems to have offed all the more interesting people, so I hope (against expectation) he gets his comeuppance soon.
Everything else was good, even Bran and Arya's bits. Not knowing anything about the books, I'm not sure if I'm meant to think rubbish pirate king's murderer was his actual brother or something more out there. It seemed a bit oddly shot (and written) if it's just some random brother we've never seen or heard about turning up.
Euron Greyjoy getting called a fucking ninja :D
Really good episode, that.
The Snow resurrection is yet more evidence that everyone in Westeros should be binning off the other, shit religions and flocking to join the one that can conjure shadow monsters and bring people back to life and shit.
Sad to see Roose go. I feel like he should have been smarter than that as well. He knew what a fucking nut job Ramsay was but he kept on goading him about his new baby, he should have known it wouldn't end well.
To what extent are the Faith Militant meant to be powerful? Numbers wise I mean. The Lannisters are collectively taking a lot of shit from them at the minute. Can't they just stick the city watch on them or something? Joffrey would have nipped this nonsense in the bud a long time ago.