Less of the needless insults please. As I've already said upthread, I'm not convinced an election solves anything and I don't think Boris should be convinced of it either.
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Taking anything Boris says at face value makes it not needless. He’s a complete charlatan who’s only involved in all this because he is obsessed with himself.
I imagine, subject to the Remainers not winning an election/something in parliament, we will get a last minute deal. Either the Euros will cave in, in which case great, or we will cave in, in which case Farage will scream SELLOUT!!! but it won't matter because we'll have left and his relevance will largely be over.
They need to have the election first though in order for the last bit to be true, or BXP will take loads of votes off them and possibly let a rainbow yoghurt eating coalition in.
If no one caves in and we leave without a deal, then Boris would be kicked out within six months and I don't think he wants that.
I mean, look at the attached:
https://www.markpack.org.uk/155623/v...oll-scorecard/
If Labour don't sit on the fence, which they couldn't in a general election scenario, there's a roughly even split between "No deal, get out" and "remain", who knows how some of the Tories would campaign as well. I know it's only polls, but I don't see how the actual result would be much different.
Seriously, an election is potentially so fucking retarded it's untrue.
The proposed anti-No Deal bill appears to force the Prime Minister to agree to an extension to the end of time should the European Union insist on it. These people are retards.
No deal is such a red herring as you'll still spend the next 5 years trying to sort a deal out on how we do business with the EU. It's actually going be similar if we leave with a deal as we have to then actually work out the longer term engagement (albeit with some sort of civility in place).
What a waste of time and money.
Labour voting down the possibility of a general election, having been asking for one for pretty much the entirety of this parliament is going to take this in an even more bafflingly lol direction. They just had some senile waxwork on Newsnight who looked like he was either having a stroke trying to understand what he was meant to say or was suffering from some sort of serious mental impairment, until some enforcer type called Mary (Creagh?) delivered the new line and he just said "yeah, what she said".
No deal, no brexit, no election, I can only assume that rise of the nazis thing the beeb rolled out tonight is meant to be prescient in some way.
It would be good if they reminded themselves sometimes that there is history that happened other than Nazi Germany.
Is there another political reference point for groups of facists who’s primary political goal is the preservation and supremacy of the traditional Anglo Saxon white race?
I presume you could say the National Front but I'm honestly not too sure how many people from our generation and below actually know what that is.
I just wanted what the bus promised us mate slow down.
This is what happens when you live life on Twitter.
There isn't a single fascist currently prominent in British politics.
Britain's problem is they're still influenced by a past they never took ownership for. Even the Germans managed it in a short space of time. The school system is like a cult.
We would have managed that better if World War II hadn't got in the way and reinforced it all. Sometimes Irish critiques of us (and there are many) fail to understand the deep cultural effects of the entire population living through total war for six years still within living memory.
Isn't the Far Right growing in popularity in Germany? I'm aware that it is everywhere, but if Germany had really learned anything from their past they'd be bucking the trend.
Haven't we? :cab:
Not according to them. A lot of the intellectual classes in some ex-colonial states are consumed by bitterness about it to this day, rightly or wrongly.
Equally Ireland's entire European policy owes itself to them being a squalid, vanquished people who need Europe to tell them what to do now the Catholic church has lost its all-consuming influence.
The ones who lived through it generally aren't chest-beating nationalistic twats. It's the generation who came after who are utterly convinced they defeated Hitler and Britain is god's gift to the world under whose rule any inferior foreigners should consider themselves lucky.
Mark Francois defeated the Nazis himself, you ungrateful shit.
This tends to permeate the remain message to a greater extent, with everything being about 'influence' and our perceived ability to 'stand up to China' as part of the European Union, as well as believing that we have and would continue to hold a disproportionate amount of sway within it. It's still exceptionalist wank, but made worse by their inability to recognise it (see also: people thinking the Second World War was fought for contemporary liberalism).
It's telling that all our dick heads have French names.
Of course you haven't :D
You're a nation where everything is the chest beating EMPIRE. The fact you can't even see it just proves exactly what I've said. You're also the root cause of almost every conflict on the planet but the party line is that there should be more gratitude for it from the "savages" you pillaged.
There is a bit of that but it's far more complex than you make out. Nobody nowadays would talk about savages, and most people would acknowledge the ill effects of the historical Empire. However, what we do not do (which is done very directly in former colonial nations) is link it immediately to today's society. Nobody living in the UK now gives a rat's arse about what our great-grandfathers did prior to 1940, because we don't feel it or see the consequences. People in the countries still feel it and that is why they become upset by our opposite attitude.
As with all these things there is nothing any of us can do about it.
And too right as well. I don't really see why I should feel any guilt about what my ancestors may or may not have done. Judge me on my own shit.
We wouldn't drag the Germans over hot coals over world wa.... fuck.
But seriously. Public opinion on Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria is very telling. We aren't the country that stood alone in defiance of Hitler any more. You'll get the odd loon that feels that way, but most of us want no part in any wars kicking off. That it's in some way linked to what the UK was up to 100 years ago is not my concern.
The colonials/savages tend to fall between presenting themselves as having been completely passive for the bad things and overly-involved in the good things. The Indians are the worst offenders, but they're all at it.
So a guy just defected while Boris was addressing the Commons?
Excellent stuff.
Is the vote and result tonight? And if so, what are they actually voting on?
This image has set me off.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...40/unknown.png
It will and forever will be a 50/50 issue. We will be arguing about the rights of fisherman in the channel despite not being or knowing a fisherman until we die.
Vote was closer than I perhaps expected, but an election looms closer.
I'll be getting the snacks in for that one.
For all the stupid little terms and all, this shit could be on Netflix.
:D
I've taken to watching BBC Parliament now.
What’s the haps? The woman next to me at work makes passing comments about “parliament” and I’ve never any idea what she’s even on about. Was at least two weeks before I even realised Boris was PM.
It's an omni-shambles of previously unseen proportions Baz.
'Not a good start, Boris' :D
Well, looks like I'm voting Lib Dem for the first time in my life. It never should've come to that.
I've got absolutely no idea how I'll be voting. They're all a shower of shit.
If they actually take the whip off of all the whoppers. :drool:
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That seems like a bold thing to post as you once again vote to trash parliamentary convention to get your own way.
Isn't the boi you're supporting trying to just shut the whole thing down to 'get his own way'?
Also Mogg is just a god-awful human being.
Boris going from having a go at Obama for moving a bust of Churchill to removing the mans grandson from the Conservative Party is quite something.
Yeah but trying your best to run the country into the ground for personal gain is fine so long as you adhere to the arcane rules while you do it and hum Rule Britannia every so often.
Yeah, but he isn't flexing on Twitter for thicko clout.