Andy Burnham tho
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Andy Burnham tho
Jess Phillips is a gobshite, reminds me of Gary Neville.
I lolled at this in the Times:
He's living in all our heads rent-free.Quote:
As the minutes passed to 10pm, when the polls closed, the team members gave their predictions. At the back of the room Dominic Cummings, the architect of Vote Leave campaign’s success in 2016, scrawled 359 on the sheet, characteristically the most bullish of all. It would mean a majority of 68. Lee Cain, Johnson’s spin doctor, went for a majority of 30.
I had a search of 'Classic Dom' on the night and it was a bit quiet.
He even chucked them e-mails about the referendum being 'open to abuse' out the other day to rub the seethe in.
Johnson's first priorities are abolishing the fixed term parliament act and redrawing constituency boundaries to 600, effectively cementing himself a decade long reign unless he really fucks this up.
Ah the classic game of (my least favourite party) is gerrymandering the boundaries to rig the next election but when (my favourite party) did it last time it was totally justified.
People waste a lot of air on process and electoral system. Everyone starts the day on nought.
Sounds a bit like Arlenes sudden issue with electoral pacts (when they don’t work out for her).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
I'm all aboard for reducing the number of constituencies, but there is something in the criticism of doing them on voter numbers rather than population. It's probably worth the chimp out though so whatever.
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Someone in Carole's life needs to tell her it's over, or else she's going to end up like that Japanese colonel who wouldn't come out of the jungle until 1973.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewis
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/sta...26669616107521
Those look like the words of a man who isn't going anywhere. :nono:
Corbynism will rule the world one day.
Hasn't he always said he would only ever step away if he's beaten in a leadership vote?
Corbyn?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Andy Mahowry
Twice in one day. The lad's in bits.
All depends on if the PLP can withstand the calls to put a Corbynista in the running, if they do end up giving Momentum their way then it'll be more Corbynism, since these 18 year old students ran across the drawbridge when memberships were £3 and pulled it up as soon as Corbyn faced any sort of challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
As for who I want, I've always been a fan of Starmer but the next leader is likely to be a woman and if that's the case I'd prefer Rayner. If Mong-Bailey or Burgon (aka the moron's moron) are anywhere near running I'll end up having to join another party.
The student vote isn't enough. Surely they've seen that with this election?
You only need 21 MPs to get on the ballot so I'm sure 'Becky' will find herself on it.
I think it's pretty nailed on that whoever is the next Labour leader won't be winning the next election.
Unless BoJo does something completely mental, which isn't outside the realms.
He will only give fuel to our dreams. Maths taught in Latin. Adultery on the NHS. Stairs to the moon. We are all his children now.
This brouhaha between Flint and Thornberry is quite funny. The problem dear old Emily has is that, regardless of whether she made those comments or not, they are the sort of thing you could well imagine her saying.
Indeed. She’s a hideous human being.
I wondered why they were keeping those chumps in government, when I should have known it was just MIND GAMES. :drool:
Did Zac Goldsmith lose again or did he not stand? I was confused when I realised the other day that he'd actually managed to win his seat back in 2017.
Lost again.
That's a fucked up seat. 2015, in. 2016, out. 2017, back in again. 2019 out again. The ultimate non-bell-weather by the looks of it.
'If I ever manage to gain control of number ten'Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewis
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Richmond Park is the worst. An enclave of the worst kind of luvvyism. Almost a full constituency of people who talk a good game but have never experienced any kind of difficulty in their lives. Neighbouring Twickenham and Kingston also persistently return Lib Dems, and the disease nearly spread across the river to Esher this time - it's a little triangle of overprivileged scum. People are incredibly prosperous, but, being on the rich edge of London, have had to culturally align themselves to political correctness in order to keep their oh-so-important lives on track. Prosperous people in the rest of the country vote Tory, but these guys think they're too good for that - they don't vote Labour, of course, so the Lib Dems are a wonderful get-out option which allows them to keep all their money but also continue to feel morally superior to other parts of the country where people don't have it all on a plate.
I think Richmond Park was something like 77% Remain, which sums it all up really. Just a few miles south, a few miles west and a few miles north there are Leave constituencies.
Zac got in a couple of times because he opposed Heathrow expansion (obviously in NIMBY central, couldn't have those house prices affected by plane noise), Tories will never win there again.
It's hard to disagree with that in regards to Richmond Park. When I lived and worked there the difference between North Wales and there was like night and day although even then I spoke to more supposed 'Leavers' than 'Remainers' so it was a surprise to see how high a percentage voted to stay in.
Just the sight of your average Joe spending more in the pub in one afternoon than most around here would earn in a week was a little disheartening if I'm honest. Very nice and friendly people though.
Zac Goldsmith is the personification of late-stage capitalism.
Only real job he's worked was at a magazine owned by a family friend (or was it his Dad?), goes into politics where the only impact he makes is failing to achieve the only thing he was vocal about, loses twice, becomes a Lord.
Start with money and it is impossible to throw it away. A whole generation of idiots constantly failing upwards.
Failing upwards is a human right down here.
Corbyn stood in Parliament yesterday, after presiding over one of the worst political campaigns and outcomes in all of human history is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen.
Presumably it hasn’t twigged with him yet that by being there he does more good for the Tories than his own party.
What's the worst that could happen from that? He can't lose the election again.
The next election isn't for five years. Calm down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yevrah
It was worth it for his sad little gloat that the Labour Party has more female MPs. Somebody should get him a trophy made up for that.
Might as well leave him there forever then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kikó
As summed up by Blair, the party need to move on from him and his wankery as soon as possible or die, having him and his abject failure hanging around isn't good for anyone. He should have no influence on where the party goes from here. None.
It's far too late for that.
Ah yes, incredibly popular man of the people Tony Blair. That's who I'm listening to.
He won three elections. He knows what he's talking about and he knows the hard work it takes to dislodge a sitting government.Quote:
Originally Posted by phonics
Corbyn presided over handing Boris a majority of first term landslide proportions, on the back of the Conservatives being inept for most of the last nine years.
Care to elaborate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewis
The party machinery is in the hands of cranks, the new MPs are mostly cranks, and then you have the crank membership. Even if Keir Starmer or some other 'moderate' goon becomes leader they will still end up having a load of mental shit forced on them by the party conference.
20 years ago maybe. What the fuck does Tony Blair know about the common man nowadays? The poorest person he's probably talked to in the last 10 years probably earns in excess of 100k a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yevrah
And ultimately, while I'd have never voted for Corbyn it's hugely unhealthy for a sitting party to have been this inept yet been in power for so long, let alone have a majority of the size they do. They need an opposition.
And for all my Facebook feed being full of people saying Tory voters need to own what they've done, the individual with the highest level of culpability for a Tory majority that will ultimately see them now do what the fuck they please is Jeremy Corbyn.
I don't know why people, all people, can't see this. Given the context it's a political failure of previously unseen proportions and it's like people are burying their heads in the sand over it.
A damn site more than a plank who has just handed the Tories an 80 seat majority.Quote:
Originally Posted by phonics
Do you not see the scale of failure here and what that means?
Ah yes, I'm defending Jeremy Corbyn now because I said, 'No-one will care that he was there a couple of months, five years from now'
What a full throated defense.
They will if he continues to influence things. If you're cool with that then maybe you're not bothered about all of the injustice in the UK after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by phonics
What does continue to influence things mean?
What is there to influence?
He's still running the party.
I'll say it again. There's not an election for five years.
You didn't answer the question. What will he be influencing between now and 3 months from now that will affect the election five years from now?
The appointment of a new leader for one.Quote:
Originally Posted by phonics