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Yep, I'm in it for the long haul, the show has serious longevity and potential.Quote:
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The fact they're all in perpetual meltdown is hilarious, get a fucking grip.
Just watched episode 5:
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Never heard of it until this thread so I watched episode one and it looks good. I’m in.
Just watched the first two tonight. Pretty good.
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Another thing that really bothered me:
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I nominate Mahow.
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A lot of them have been on TV before so must have been scouted for this, would explain why everyone keeps bursting into tears and thinking strangers are their best mates after a few days.
Some of them have quite Apprentice-y comportment, others more the early rounds of Masterchef, others still Love Island. A curious mixture.
Why is the blonde bird with the pink haired twat? Absolutely baffling.
Just watched the first episode.
Not a big fan of the shitty tasks but other than that it looks good.
lol at the guy being strung along by the hot blonde.
The vote in the second episode is incredible.
The fact that they act that the person is actually getting killed is amazing.
I saw the ads and thought it would be a right load of shit but ended up firing through the old episodes up to last night in one go today. I love Matt just going about crying due to the weight of his blue balls, the old lady I didn't notice was there until the end of the fifth episode and Theo, who I am definite is one of the traitors because I can read people like a book.
I've just started on episode 4.
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My class a couple of years ago actually played werewolf at break times. It was quite entertaining and engaging for them when they played properly.
Just watched episode 6.
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I feel like choosing the other option would have solved more problems, also think recruting a replacement is not ideal.
Just finished off episode 6
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Imagine thinking some yank shit like Sopranos/Wire was the height of television up until a week ago.
Ah, C'mon. The height of television is The Scheme.
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Maddy is a swivel eyed loon.
I just love the exaggerated gasps of shock when they vote off a faithful in the early rounds, as if they had done anything except random mud-flinging up to that point and the odds were not massively against them.
(through Ep 3 but it's not spoilers) John is basically why I'm mostly in the closet, imagine being in a demographic category with that old twat. Matt the BMX rider is a glorious example of vacuous pretty boy. They are all so highly strung, it's laughable, this is also why Westminster is a shambles, full of highly strung egos.
They all reply to conversations with "hundred percent" and now I'm just going to really notice it every time. If Wilf isn't related to Daniel Mays he's got a stunt double career waiting for him
Annoying scheduling for the remaining episodes:
Tuesday, December 13, 9pm (Episode 7)
Thursday, December 15, 9pm (Episode 8)
Friday, December 16, 9pm (Episode 9)
Tuesday, December 20, 9pm (Episode 10)
Wednesday, December 21, 9pm (Episode 11)
Thursday December 22 ,9pm (Episode 12)
Only 6 more? Nice.
Why's it annoying? Just because of that Wednesday to Friday change? What's happening on Wed?
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Originally Posted by Don
Episode 6 was good, but the show in general struggles with the tasks being shite and most of the working out who is a traitor being random guessing. I don't know how you'd balance it, but the tasks should have more riding on them. Maybe the best performer gets privately told there is a traitor on x team or something.
Agreed on Wilfred being fucking hopeless. It should surely be very obvious that he's a traitor.
The tasks are the worst bit of the show, they don't really fit in anywhere. They'd have been better off if the traitors had to sabotage or something, because then you'd get the fat shit who looks like he's going to throw up every task being lynched instantly.
They (or some of them at least) seem to trigger emotions in people / shape the dynamics a bit. However I'm not convinced that the 'cash prize going upwards' is that compatible with werewolf dynamics, I guess we'll see at the end.
The problem is that if anything, the increasing prize money incentivizes NOT discovering the Traitors, and instead dragging out the game so the money goes up.
I skipped through the tasks mostly when catching up with it, I don't want the part where they're all getting on and hugging and forgetting about their troubles. Breakfast, paranoid arguments, fast forward, round table. Less than 40 mins an episode
It's a bit like the 'professional kitchen' bit in Masterchef, a mild diversion / pace change to see them outside the normal environment but has no impact on the actual contest.
I forgot to mention at the time but I did lol at the magician lad who called himself world class and one of the best in the business at his craft.
He then spent most of his time swaying everyone into thinking a faithful (who was good at the shit tasks) was a guaranteed traitor.
They should invert the cash dynamic ala Too Hot To Handle (I know you all watch) where they start with £100k to be shared amongst the group but can lose money. So if they fail tasks they lose money, but maybe incentivise it so if a traitor can purposefully fuck a task up on the sly that gets them some kind of bonus.
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Amanda has played a blinder so far but I reckon she’ll start believing her own hype and dramatise something a step too far and be caught out.
Wilf will betray Amanda I reckon.
Surely he knows better than that. She'd eat him alive.
He's an absolute retard.
The bellend randomly says incriminating things all the time, wouldn't trust him with yesterday's paper.Quote:
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Episode 4 spoilers about the retard.
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I saw some rumours about him online supposedly from ex-colleagues that he talks a good game but never meets deadlines, changes job frequently.
Imagine turning down 3 grand in that situation….
She's not the brightest.
She lives in London, that's half a week's rent.
Another person crying. Fuck me
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Kieran went to Wayne Linekar's 60th :D
Top, top television.
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Unless I’m missing something, there’s two episodes left and it seems ridiculously in favour of the traitors
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Wilf is such a twat.
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When they say that someone is 100% trustworthy for definite and I love them 100% and would trust them with my life 110% is it just that it's so easy to get lost in the world they've created and forget it's a game or did they just get a load of thick fuckers in?
On the one hand, I can't help but think the producers are sticking their oar in. On the other hand, all those 'I believe this is blue!' wankers from Deal or No Deal are 100% genuine melts.
I have no trust in the British public to remain sensible in any game show circumstance.
General public are just thick.
Is tomorrow the final episode or not?
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Tomorrow is the final episode.
At the roundtable they vote until they think there are no more traitors. They know that there is at least 1 traitor.
Being able to recruit with 2 days left was utterly stupid. It couldn’t be anymore in favour of the traitors
Which made it mental that Wilf was trying to sow seeds against Kieran.
He’s played a blinder tbf. Going to bin off three of his mates and pocket everything for himself
I'm still stunned he made it this far after he wobbled so hard in the early roundtables. Dude looked guilty as fuck when bouncing off the walls.
Since then though, yeah he's been very good.
Can't see how he gets voted out unless Kieran really sticks the boot in deep but even then I can't see Hannah and Meryl voting him out.
For the next series the prize tasks need some element of sabotage on the part of the traitors, Claudia wryly asking them 'how much do you trust each other?' before it not being a factor at all seems a waste of time.
lol at Claudia saying the last money stash is really hard and it's just a simple riddle.
Wilf sharpening his knife.
Kieran :cool:
Kieran going full Bruhnaldo.
I'm missing The Mole (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mo...ish_TV_series)) where the tasks were things like 'Leave the island in 2 hours without getting wet', or 'One of you teach another one to play golf inside 3 hours'.Quote:
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And in which the mole would (when he could get away with it) sabotage the tasks.
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Not sure what I'd want more, for Wilf to be voted out and for him to completely unravel or for him to win and Hannah to explode.
Note to Boydy, next werewolf you have to live stream the vote results using colour coded firelighters.
I need a season 2.
Kieran burning the place to the ground on his way out was great. Credit to Wilf for flying under the radar so much people still didn't know what his actual name was in the last episode
Yeah, fair play to Kieran. He donned that prick.
Wilf pretending he was happy he got voted out was the most cringeworthy thing I’ve seen in a while. They all lapped it up as well.
He probably just wanted them to feel sorry for him and split the money.
It's an extremely flawed show but I haven't been that gripped since 11 year-old me watched Nasty Nick be born.
The midget is foul.
Yeah, utter travesty she won money. Absolutely pointless person who just copied others at every turn
Superb stuff. Had my doubts about Werewolf TV, and even moreso seeing the morons playing it but like Apprentice et al, they’ve made it more compelling than it really should be.
Tbh, I felt Wilf should have chosen to banish again throw them off, and hope only 1 or 2 voted to not banish and hone in on them.
I saw the trailer for this and everybody involved looked like complete twats.
Is it actually good then?
Top tier television but if you have read this thread you've probably already ruined it for yourself.
Good might be a stretch, but it's highly entertaining.
Hannah was terrible and I was hoping for her reaction when Wilf walked off with the cash but her line about an ultimatum having no trust was a cracker.
Yeah the finale was very good. I'm pretty sure Kieran's stunt would've been not allowed as a basic rule of the show but I doubt the producers minded too much.
Glad Aaron won anyway.
I think as long as he didn't actually say Wilf is a traitor it was all good.
Because he'd have to ensure that the group got the hint and that they'd then act on it as a group.
I reckon there will be rules revisions on the back of it for next series, I note he didn't get a little speech when he was banished like the rest.
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I'll be honest, I didn't think he'd made it obvious enough when you considered how blinkered Meryl and Hannah were in their belief that "We trust Wilf 100%, with our life!" world view. I still half expected them to fuck it until the ultimatum line. Wilf's little meltdown made it more obvious than anything Kieran said, but they seemed to buy that. A real faithful would have just said "What a cunt" and left it there.
The format really didn't lend themselves to risking it. Had Wilf been faithful, I'd have cried myself to sleep while hugging my extra 8 grand.
May possibly just have been seething too much. He was basically being bullied in those last few hours by everyone else, easy to see why red mist would descend and you'd just be out to destroy Wilf after that.
If he wanted the full jackpot, Wilf could never be the one driving the Kieran bandwagon, he needed to sit on the fence between him and Aaron to enable him to not vote for Kieran and therefore remain in the game when Kieran got killed off. Ultimately, the fact Aaron and the midget had made it clear they were too thick to be able to be traitors made it very difficult for traitors so lol at them keeping them in till the end.
Agree with Wullie on Hannah's line about trust, that was a proper moment.
Tried the first episode. It's complete shit. How you can watch this is beyond me.
The first episode really isn't a barometer of the series, it's when they have been there two days and are all crying and being thick it comes into it's own.
They're doing a series with Americans but still set in the same castle. The trailer seems to imply it's all the same tasks as our series. Starts in a couple of weeks on "peacock".
Seems a bunch of them are from other reality shows though (even more so than the handful we had over here) which could be annoying.
They did an Aussie one where the traitors met their victims in person.
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He must have fallen on hard times if he needs the cash.
The ending of the American one :lol:
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New series on BBC One now if you don't care about darts.
Watched the first 2 episodes, no action of note and they've seemingly done fuck all to change any of it. It's a winning formula though so meh. Obviously would be nice if it wasn't aimed at thickos with all the dramatic music and pointless suspense editing and instead they filled it with dialogue between contestants though.
I think adding the immunity shields to the tasks might be new, but the tasks do just seem like filler to me.
The wolves need to start accusing each other publicly a little more.
I am not arsed about the tasks though the idea of putting shields available at expense of the task is interesting given some of the absolute melts who beeline for them, pissing everyone else off.
That Kyra especially is a fucking hideous creature. I wouldn't want to upset Kiko and suggest there's some sort of cultural/generational trauma explanation that goes towards creating such people but she really doesn't help break down racial caricatures.
Keep the thread updated if Charlotte nudes are made available though :drool:
That Diane is a right gilf/guilty pleasure. No idea if it’s the accent or the coldness of her persona.
I watched episode 1 of this (series 2 that is) the other day having not seen any series 1. Was this an American TV show first because the pacing of it feels that way. 80% explaining what's happening later and reiterating what just happened and about 20% of actual stuff but not sure if that's just because it's the first episode of a new series. I'll give it at least another couple and see how I get on.
I'm pretty sure it was a UK original, and has been exported since. Isn't it just boring werewolf for retards where you already know everything?
The American one was unwatchable because my fellow Carnoustie High representative in Alan Cummings was fucking dreadful. At least you can sort of ignore the tango lady
Watch series 1, it starts superbly.
Yeah I actually wondered if they were gonna have bits where they told you to look away so you could avoid knowing who the wolves are if you want but clearly the show, as the title might suggest I guess, is really about them.Quote:
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If episode 2 sees it going the way TTH Werewolf does where you get insta-gibbed if you make the mistake of trying to actually play the game then we'll see what happens.
The mechanics of the show are really good, it's just ruined by producers who make it far too accessible. The stupid should not be welcomed into the televisual fold.
The stupid rule, the same way they are complaining about the new series of Jeopardy! Having actually hard questions.
Tonight's episode ramped up somewhat.
Episode 3 was top class. The Dianne/Ross banter and Zack's reaction at Brian's meltdown :D
Aye, Eps 1 & 2 were a bit of a snooze, but this one was a banger. Brian’s meltdown was the most TTH Werewolf thing I’ve seen on it to date.
That is where the tasks actually worked this time, when he was unanimously voted a sheep by the rest of the group in the task his brain broke.
Up to date now, what the hell happened to Brian? Agreed with Merse, genuinely reminiscent of TTH Werewolf.
I thought the Army wolf was a retard at the start, but I think he's playing it well so far. He could go far.
I think everyone thinking you are a retard can help, even more so if you are one. Last season the thickest player won because everyone knew they weren't a threat.
Big fan of them ending last night's episode on a cliffhanger for a thing we already know.
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"Oh yeah? Well would a sheep do THIS?"
* has nervous break down on prime time TV *
Ash voluntarily going into the dungeon yesterday was probably the most retarded tactical move I've seen on the show so far.
The other half has started watching Series 1.
It’s only on repeat viewing of the first couple of eps that I’ve appreciated how much less of an annoying bunch this are (fantastically free of fucking magicians and influencers) and also how much better this bunch (mainly the wolves) are at the game, presumably simply by dint of having watched series 1 themselves.
Yeah, it's a good bunch, not one detestable figure left (Jasmine being the closest). Paul is too hot to last the course but the other boys are doing decent.
Having been subjected to a few nights of this I feel it would be better if you didn't know who the wolves were. Obviously it's all editing, and they have stupid things like that chalice business, but it would be more interesting if it wasn't just getting annoyed at jump cut mongs.
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Harry’s stepped the fuck up, mind. Right cunning lil’ rascal - definitely not the idiot I assumed he’d be.
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Yeah this season seems much better than the first one already. Feels like there's a lot less (still plenty, mind) names being randomly chucked about because nobody has the faintest clue.
How good is Charlotte btw. Thick as shit as well so probably makes it to the end.
This task is epic.
Yep, fantastic.
Hopefully they've invited the guy whose mum they just killed for a laugh.
Great episode but harsh on Miles to play out the poisoning like that.
Just when you think Harry is doing bits, he goes and convinces Paul to recruit.
Recruiting anyone is daft when they get in the chamber and realise these two have stitched the last two traitors up.
Getting a traitor banished and then recruiting another is just so dumb. At best it's 8 vs 3 or potentially 9 vs 2 if they reject, which seems quite possible. Banish and murder a faithful and it's guaranteed 7 vs 3.
These lot are thick too, they keep crying about how the traitors are offing all the strong faithfuls but never question how their defacto leader and Traitor hunter extrordinaire Paul emerges each morning unscathed.
Yeah Paul regularly escaping scrutiny other than one or two people at a time because he's mates with everyone is impressively dim.
There's literally not a compelling reason you'd keep him alive if he was a goodie and get nobody's prepared to discuss that or even ask the question properly.
It should have been clear as day after they were forced to kill Meg. She was next in line to get voted out but the traitors have decided to kill her over Paul? Alright.
The few that have clocked on don’t appear to be strong enough personalities to really turn the tide against Paul.
I am not sure I’ll be able to handle it if Ross is recruited today and then starts banging on about what a great game Paul is playing because he didn’t suspect him at all.
Ideally Ross is recruited but doesn't mention Diane was his mum and starts trying to fuck the other two over, could be quite fun.
Jaz seems to be the only one capable of critical thinking.
Harry running off to Paul and telling him about the private conversation he had with Jaz should be enough to incriminate them both. He just needs to start stirring the shit and pounce before the traitors knife him.
I thought Jaz seemed sharp until he threw the rose in the bird's coffin who was the correct answer to the question they got wrong (by selecting Diane) and then voting Andrew at the roundtable :cab:
I could be giving Jaz too much credit but it seems like he knows who is who but doesn't want them thinking he's on to them so is playing dumb until there's a point other people might be pointing the finger as well.
Do they usually do the recruiting thing? Feels like it could be made more fun, like the originals not knowing whether the new one has accepted or not [assuming you can refuse and not die].
Yes they did recruit last series.
I think playing as a lone traitor is probably the best if you are in Harry's position where they all think you're legit. Just play the game as a headless chicken like the rest of them.
Literally every traitor killed in this game was caught because the traitors turned on them, without that I doubt they'd have one.
Harry's let the power and acclaim get to his head. It's seeing things like that that make this such a great show.
I'd agree with Lofty, you're getting very little help from traitors until maybe the real final rounds so just chance it and go it alone, especially if you have the charm of a Harry. The Frankenstein, not so much.
Wait, they can just keep recruiting forever? I know they have to fill the schedule but is there any point in this game from the town's perspective?
Presumably the traitors dont want to split the money too many ways which is why they keep offing each other.
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It does feel like it's pretty hard for the faithful to win at this stage though yeah.
Someone described this programme to me as a 1 hour show where you get 15 minutes of something interesting, but the other 45 is filler/dross.
I'm glad Paul is out, the smug cunt.
I'm sure they're goaded into it to some extent by the production crew but I just fucking hate when normos get on TV, do something moderately competent and think they're hot shit.
"Well, I've outwitted some actual idiots twice now which has really made me realise I'm humanity's greatest hero, all my dreams will come true, history will remember my deeds and I'm never gonna die."
Fuck off you ginger twat.
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Harry's speedily taken over from Paul in that regard, he's gone from 90s boy band scamp to king stink but he's surrounded himself with traitors who listen to him boast of offing both traitors and their mothers. Hoist with his own petard before the last episode, surely.
Yeah Harry has become nearly as smug as Paul. And seems to think Andrew is totally oblivious to what he's likely to be up to.
All set up for the meat head to win with ease after they only recruited him to be the fall guy lol.
Harry has been good but him admitting he happily killed off 3 other Traitors was a bit dumb
Did he say that to Andrew? Thought he'd only said that to camera.
It's also super dull these twats pretending they're dealing with actual deaths.
"lol is we sycos cos we dont care bout murders now lol?"
Fuck off.
He said it when Diane’s son was recruited I’m sure
Diane's son recruited?
Which of us is losing our mind here, Waff?
Have you not watched Fridays episode?
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Oh, I didn't finish Friday's it turns out. :D
Right having caught up I see what you mean and yeah, given he already knew Andrew was suspicious of him it's pretty stupid to keep blabbing his 'Evel Knievel' plan.
Yeah his age showing a bit telling them 'I put three traitors in the ground lol', you realise you need these two on your side for it to be 3v3? Apparently if it's only traitors left the game changes into a goldenballs split steal finale.
Wait, to share or to shaft?
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I am not certain but people who have watched the international versions reckon that's what happens.
That was disappointing. Hard to see how Harry doesn't walk it from here.
Israel killing thousands of little kids whilst being supported by your government is bad but I'd love to see the even greater magnitude of protests on the nation's streets if Harry wins this.
Went perfectly for him which made it a dull af episode and I presume he's got Zack killed off to theoretically solidify the Jasmine votes. The pivot to Andrew is easily done with the Ross argument but surely it can't all go to plan. Did Andrew not say he knew about the medal? If that can be corroborated then he could out Harry. Hopefully Mollie summons a second braincell from somewhere and goes after Andrew instead of listening to her crush.
The ability to turn/recruit people makes this so dull. I suppose that plank Ross could have refused [could he?] which would have made a lot more sense but he didn't as he, like most of them, is functionally retarded.
You just get the investigator brain cells going "I knew it all along" when the day 1 baddie gets bopped.
Game really needs a seer.
Was quite annoying watching smug Zack get it right, but for the wrong reasons. He thinks he's a genius.
Ross also made a right hash of that. His only hope was to go balls deep with the theory of a recruitment rather than a failed murder. He floated it once then gave up.
Ross had one card to play, his mum, and he didn't. He could've had dropped that bomb at Breakfast and made the point that he wouldn't have killed off his mum.
Zack is annoying but he is at least enjoying the game, clowns like Jasmine take it personally and get personal with their insults then wonder why being aggressive is getting them votes.
There are a few problems with the format I expect them to tweak in the next series (applications open now if you fancy it) the main one being any faithful with initiative is quickly dispatched whilst the thickos coast to the final.
I think there needs to be other protection methods beyond the shield, similar to the doctor in Werewolf.
There was an enormous amount of seethe on last night's episode.
They do definitely need to give the faithfuls more to work on though as this vibes based shit is just annoying. I've found this diverting enough to stick on and turn my brain off but not sure I'll bother with another series.
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If Ross had let it slip about his mum being in it I don't think it would have helped him it'd just have been another lie that he was hiding so what else isn't he telling us and all that bollocks. Like the girl last time not telling everyone she was a corpse in Holby City once because one hundred percent a top flight actor would definitely be a traitor, one hundred percent.
I wonder if they could incorporate something into the tasks where failure due to sabotage siphons money off to a special traitors pot so the tasks feel more part of the full game rather than them cutting away to It's A Knockout for 15 mins of each episode.
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If they knock off Evie first at tomorrow’s round table do the traitors win as it’s 2v2?
Think she said they keep voting until they're all agreed no traitors are left but if any traitors are left its them who win.
If Jaz really is suspicious of Harry I think he's left it too late to do anything about it, none of them seem to have it in them to query why he's both never been under any scrutiny in the round table but hasn't been bumped off.... aside from the one time they reckon they conveniently tried to shank hin when he had a shield.
Ignore my comment anyway, Harry is 100% turning on Andrew to take the money for himself if he has the opportunity.
Harry should really just keep Mollie on Andrew and get Evie or Jaz on board, Andrew goes and they all should end the game. If Evie goes it gets a bit messy with the 2v2 as Mollie and Harry will go Andrew, and Jaz and Andrew can go Harry and possibly sway Mollie. Not sure what happens if they keep having a 2-2 draw.
I don't see any scenario where Mollie votes for Harry. I can't wait to see her face when it's just her and Harry left at the end.
For FUCKS sake.
I didn't want Harry to win but when she voted for the one person who wanted to vote again, fucking hell.
"It's not you is it?" as they're voting to win 95 grand :moop:
That was an unexpected extra round, big up Jas for keeping his dignity but brother, we're still about 20 years off your brown ass being looked on as an equal human being to these white sisters. If she'd gone with who she actually thought was likelier to be a faithful he would have won but instead she went for whose sausage she wanted a go on. And why the fuck did Andrew (or any of the other 2) not throw out the shield situation, that would have killed off Harry instantly ffs.
Could be editing making him look worse but a few times through the show Jaz had the right questions for traitors but then didn't say them when actually at the round table. Also that episode was even more full of filler than the others.
He played the game well, but perhaps sensibly thought there was no real hope in persuading the myriad retards who were all irrevocably beholden to Paul, what that the ginger guy, and Harry. He actually completely nailed it as there was no logical reason for him to have done that last re-vote thing if he was a baddie, but half a brain cell and several disabilities let him down.
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If he wanted to keep his head down he could still have brought it up during the final, when he talked sense about Harry but only to the camera. Or at least he only talked it through to the camera, then half-arsed it in the room.
Forgot Ian left the forum, the massive flange.
Anyway, that seer role completely ruined the last episode
Yeah, although I think it peaked last year. No one is going to solo the wolf role so well as that guy did. ;)
Yes The Seer felt introduced by producers to tilt the game their preferred way, which was even more irritating because the worst player won.
I don't really like most aspects of the format. The non-recruiting was probably the most interesting thing that happened. The recruit or die and then also get to kill feels like it is production/series length driven and is grossly unfair to the town, but, at the same time it is very hard for the bad guys to win as human nature always drives it down to a head to head. Using the seer, not revealing their identites all felt like the hidden hand steering the ship and, as you say, towards an outcome where the worst person won. I understand the 5d chess move with the final recruitment and failure to kill, but I'm not convinced it's ever in the interests of the traitors to not kill. Also, I wasn't particularly paying attention, but how many men did they lynch before never realising literally every woman the town killed was a traitor?
I think if nothing else they should make the red/green thing anonymous, until it's whittled down like this one where the game has to stop anyone voting to end the game will be automatically under suspicion.
I rather assumed when Claudia was collecting the pouches off if them that it would be anonymised, as it wasn't why are they not allowed to just chuck them in themselves?
I think my biggest bugbear of the whole thing was the "I'm voting for yourself" contagion which seemed to spread like wildfire. Why do people say that? Is it to sound cleverererer? I see there is already extensive online discourse in the subject.
My wife has been put on to the US version now. Why does Alan Cumming, an actual Scotchman, talk like Mike Myers in Austin Powers/Shrek? It's the sort of accent that would justify genocide.
The whole pretending to kill Leanne thing should have been the end of the series, before the Seer even turned up. If the players are aware of the rules of the game (e.g. that even if they do recruit that late they still get a murder) then Leanne was 100% confirmed as a faithful and became the winner and king maker on the spot. If the players aren't aware of the rules, what's the fucking point?
The format is largely wank though. Getting to recruit all the fucking time makes most of the game redundant. Great TV, but shit rules.
The US Seasons are alright, but the Australian ones are better. Australia S1 is probably the best series I've ever seen and Australia 2 is so shit it's impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee