Punk rock was my education.
Punk rock was my education.
Congrats Mert and Bruh, you got your man. Ugh, crow always tastes terrible. At least I'll get a big tax cut and a giggle at my old boss and totally not a globalist Jamie Dimon as Treasury Chief. He won't even have to put his assets in a trust. It's going to be Andrew Jackson.
Our elections are not rigged. It is not the media, the FBI, or the voter's fault. It is always the candidates. She left six million votes on the table; he underperformed Romney but got the right votes in the right places. But let's not pretend all the "it's rigged" stuff wasn't preemptive whining by the right - everyone does it. It takes time to grieve. Us D's will do all the worthless counter factuals and knives will be in a thousand backs.
The bubble thing is silly because it seems to start with the idea that there is only one or two bubbles. What about the person from a midwestern exburg who has never met a black person but is nonetheless scared of intercity crime? Why is it not equally incumbent on them to go to my wife's black rural community in South Carolina because only one third of African Americans even live in cities? Society isn't two bubbles, it is a carbonated beverage.
Do you think, with this momentous change in the course of the country, this'll inspire you to write new music?
Like fucking GREENDAY were the height of political analysis through music. GREENDAY.
How is that related to Greenday?Quote:
Originally Posted by leedsrevolution
@mikem Do you think Bernie would have won?
It was their education mate, weren't you listening. It was tv magic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spikey M
It's something unpredictable, but in the end it's rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Spikey M
Trump projected to win the popular vote:
http://www.cnn.com/election/results/president
Also this is everything:
http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics..._12x5_1600.jpg
Mert, serious question:
As a man of privilege in which neither result even grazes your greasy forehead, do you troll because of this? Or are you so entrenched in that mindset that this is now who you are?
@Spoonsky
No idea. Impossible to prove a counter factual. Hillary was clearly weak but Bernie never appealed to minority voters who make a huge part of the base. My guess is no but with about a 85% level of uncertainty. He did make people want to vote for him and nobody (even Hillary supporters like me) could tell you one of her positions. I'm the worst person to ask though because he doesn't appeal to me either. I'd vote for him but I'd never choose him.
I didn't watch it, but I was worried you were calling that turgid Pop Punk for a while there.Quote:
Originally Posted by leedsrevolution
Trump means lower taxes for me, diminished federal government overreach (per SCOTUS nominees), and should challenge currently acceptable repression of conservative views in certain social spaces in America. I think it will be good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shindig
Also part of me is stirred by the nationalist message, I like the idea of supporting someone who will help the less unfortunate in America and unapologetically endeavor to raise our international profile.
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuwR9F7W8AEAujm.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Mert
...yep, adds up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mert
If you still think the Democrats genuinely care about helping poor people, you've got some growing up to do...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
I think he's having issues with your choice of words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mert
They both agree on healthcare but Trump wants to scrap Obamacare? Is that stance right?
A lot closer than the Republican tax cuts.
edit: @Shindig I highly doubt he gives a single shit about Obamacare outside of it being a talking point. Explaining to Americans all over the country that they'll either become uninsured or have to massively pay for it isn't going to go down well in anyones constituency. And the bits about the ACA that people are annoyred at are the bits Republicans forced in. It's hard to get health insurance bills passed because it's even harder to repeal them. Hence why Medicaid still exists to the eternal frustration of wealthy America. It'll posture for years.
If you still think the Republicans genuinely care about helping poor people, you've got some growing up to do...
I was just laughing at 'less unfortunate.' I don't think the Democratic establishment really does, no, and I hope (and believe) that that will be upended in time for 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mert
Oh woops...pretty funny typo in hindsight...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
I think Bernie and Trump agree on a lot of things actually, especially with regards to government ethics, lobbying, trade and bringing back manufacturing jobs (and immigration too honestly if it wasn't for PC culture), and Bernie said he was open to working with Trump. I think the populist Left and the populist Right have a lot more in common than they do with either Establishment. We both want the same things for the middle class.
I agree with you, which is why I hope that, regardless of what Trump does, Democrats will see that Bernie might have been onto something and that Obama-Clintonism isn't the way forward.
I've had facebook comments deleted in a discussion about Trump because of my not anti-Trump comments.
Vim is just too edgy.
Did they call you Benito Vimolini?
I don't get why people give a shit about 'manufacturing jobs'. They're not coming back - you can't compete with China.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mert
Similarly, we (all) need some kinda plan as to what happens when near enough the entire driving/transport industry is made redundant within the next 5-10 years. But no-one's talking about it really. There just aren't the jobs there to replace them.
Universal basic income... it's the only way out as far as I can see. Then everyone can become painting teachers so people can fill the time. Job creation.
Not sure if you're serious, but yeah, probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
It's the end game for so much automation and optimisation. Fuck knows if it'll actually work though.
I am serious with the first bit. There will be too many humans and not enough jobs. Government will have to pay to keep everyone alive, but it won't have the income tax receipts so it'll have to get the corporations to pay, presumably in return for controlling government policy. Probably not the end of the world.
Youtube's crowded enough without Johnny Nissan showing off his 'CV Tips'.
In that case can we have a Ron Paul 'It's Happening' gif of this photo?
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__..._Earl_Grey.jpg
https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/796830082564231168
@jmartNYT Jonathan Martin Retweeted Christopher Hayes
Clinton folks saw this by the Mon after Comey's Fri news: they said OH & IA were likely gone. By wed saw MI slip
@Chrislhayes
" the news of the investigation accelerated the shift of a largely hidden rural mass of voters toward Trump."
So we may have a Trump-presidency because of Anthony Weiners fucking computer.
Anthony Weiner should probably just kill himself at this point.
It doesn't really matter now - Trump won, and getting angry about it / trying to delegitimise the result doesn't get you anywhere.
'Whitelash' :sick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewis
Trevor Phillips (eventually) had this so right.
Who's on Question Time? I'd rather have it English centric, but should be a cracker either way.
Yep. The last change of leader resulted in four years of complaining about Obama's birth certificate, memes about watermelons and monkeys, and a general upswell in some really terrible sentiments. It accomplished nothing, and it poisoned an entire side of politics for an entire regime.Quote:
Originally Posted by GS
I'm skeptical about that, to be honest. Anyone who voted for Trump on that basis was looking for a reason. They'd have voted Trump on election day either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bernanke
David Dimbleby presents topical debate from Southend-on-Sea. Panellists include Conservative Dominic Raab, Labour's Yvette Cooper, the SNP's Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, professor of American literature at the University of London Sarah Churchwell and Jan Halper-Hayes of Republicans Overseas.
Hmmm.
The SNP twonk has called for Trump to be banned from the UK apparently. There really are no words.
There's a rather unpleasant attitude from some, regrettably from the left (usually), to simply ban and / or no platform anybody / anything they find vaguely disagreeable. Free speech is a privilege extended only to those with whom they agree, or with whom they disagree to what they consider a tolerable level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yevrah
Just fuck money off and promote human endeavour/we all plug into virtual reality worlds as power for the robots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
I take it they also want to sack all the people employed by him in Scotland?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yevrah
Nicola Sturgeon was at her self-important best reacting to President Trump. Love, he doesn't care.
The SNP are still absolutely furious that he once built a golf course on land they could have given to unicorns.
Krankie is still desperately trying to secure a position of international relevance. She stripped him of his business ambassador role last year as well which, given Trump's disposition, almost certainly leaves her an enemy for life. Still, it let her virtue signal so perhaps that's all that matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewis
Well, we know the polls were wrong, but they were within the margin of error by election day, Clinton having had a substantial lead two weeks earlier. You can't ignore the data entirely. If it had been two weeks ago she would have won and it was the email shit that changed things.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItalAussie
Besides, it wasn't so much that Trump got the vote out (he recieved fewer than McCain or Romney), but that she didn't.
It really was disgraceful that Comey announced what he did when he did, especially when there was nothing to it. He deserves a kick in the balls.
She was a compromised candidate - deeply disliked, highly distrusted. I suspect that anybody who 'changed their mind' to Clinton owing to the late Comey disclosure was almost certainly going to change their mind anyway. If anything, it just confirmed suspicions that many had and which were surely long established irrespective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry
I don't follow polling, because it's the most boring thing in the world (at least until after the event when it ruins the NARRATIVE), but is the margin of error still plus/minus about three points? That might have been alright in 1974, or when you need to find out whether your plans to kick foreigners about have an eighty or eighty-three per cent approval rating; but when your built in, accounted for weaknesses have us still in Europe and 'Hillary' in the White House (and thus the ongoing story of Human Progress taking a different direction), what is the fucking point? It's like running somebody over on a zebra crossing.
On the other hand, I've seen loads of Jeremy Corbyn supporters using this latest polling farce as further proof that their man can win, so lol.