Unwillingness to be informed is a fairly common trait amongst the Labour vote, I fear.
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Unwillingness to be informed is a fairly common trait amongst the Labour vote, I fear.
:D
Fuck me.
Political fanboyism is really fun to watch.
So apparently Teresa May had the neck to make a speech at London Pride, just shortly after aligning her party with the DUP.
Surely she's at the G20 thing? Pride was this weekend, no?
She sent a video message, which people are lolling about because she took money from an Iranian propaganda outlet.
Damned if she does, damned if she doesn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by Raoul Duke
May gives a speech - WHY DID YOU ALIGN WITH THE DUP THEN?
May doesn't give a speech - WHY AREN'T YOU GIVING A SPEECH? HOMOPHOBE!
Merkel voted against gay marriage. But she didn't align with the DUP though.
Sorry are THE WORKING CLASS getting behind some cunt called Jacob Rees Mogg? Some toff Tory cunt eh.
The tuition fee debacle is a case in point. Not only does all evidence point towards the gap between rich and poor occurring in primary education, but it's quite clear that it would only benefit your standard Oxbridge / Russell Group graduate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byron
It's an electoral bung - not social justice. Anybody claiming it's the latter should be disenfranchised, as should anybody who fails to understand what is a relatively simple system.
The DUP 'alignment' is a right laugh, as well. It's a devolved issue, and the confidence and supply agreement specifically sets out what areas there will be support in. It has nothing to do with social policy whatsoever.
Still, the Corbynite wing advocating home requisitions and the imposition of direct rule on tax havens gives you a clear insight into their view of law and due process. That and John McDonnell remaining in post.
In many ways Jacob Rees-Mogg is great, but his weird Catholicism would probably do him more damage than his weird poshness if it ever came down to it.
It shows how idiotic and pointless social media is, the guy was getting pilloried not long ago for being posh and being married to someone with a big house. Now he's the darling of Twitter because he has half a brain and a sarcastic turn of phrase. Substantive reasoning all round there.
The electorate are stupid cunts. If 7 years of disastrous austerity won't change your mind nothing will. Morons. #EUinQuote:
Originally Posted by Disco
Well, the reaction to the DUP 'deal' from the holier-than-thou crowd gives you an insight into what would happen. That and the butchering of Saint Timothy Farron, martyr.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewis
I can tolerate the HOMOPHOBIA, but we haven't left the European Union only to have a Prime Minister taking orders from the Bishop of Rome.
Depends whose Kool Aid you've been drinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magic
Fucking hell.
There must be loads of cranks/idiots who get put up in 'unwinnable' seats across the country, so she just slipped through the net. It's her 'fighting gentrification' that makes me lol. Having been born in Chelsea, love, what attracted you to the area in the eighties?
It's probably quite difficult to find non-embarrassing sacrificial lambs, but they usually (or used to, anyway) make future MPs earn their spurs before they'd get a winnable option. Douglas Carswell was put up against the Lord Blair in Sedgefield in 2001, and they had Jacob Rees-Mogg campaigning in some ex-mining shithole in the north.
Imagine Macron doing a deal with the National Front and then claiming that it was all good because the program for government didn't say anything about holocaust denial.
You're off your fucking rocker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry
Beyond parody.
New meta.
There is no moral difference between the DUP and the National Front. You forfeited all right to be taken seriously about bigotry or homophobia when you voted for them.
No moral difference between the DUP and the Front National. :D
You're a clown.
Moving on from Henry's insanity, this is quite an interesting chart:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DENZowtXkAA64uh.jpg
Look at the state of the increase under "the last Labour government".
The only person who would think that the DUP's sectarian bigotry and homophobia isn't as bad as the National Front's racism is someone who agreed with said bigotry and homophobia.
Your voting group for them based on the single issue of the union is like voting for the NF because you like their transport policy.
Tell us again how being a victim of terrorism is the same as being run over by a rogue driver.
Henners, a few weeks ago you listed Jeremy Corbyn as one of your 'political heroes', but what do you actually think of things like his support for the IRA, taking money from Press TV, doing fuck all about anti-Semitism in the Labour Party... I ask because I've searched all of the relevant threads here and, whilst you don't appear to have addressed any of that stuff, I still don't want to just shoot off making cheap jokes about hypocrisy without actually knowing what you think.
You're not this stupid. You know rightly that the constitutional position in an electorate as polarised as Northern Ireland is likely to transcend all other issues. It's regrettable that this case, but it perhaps might not have been if Jeremy's mates hadn't been bombing everybody for thirty years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry
It should be noted that when he was challenged on this previously, he point-blank refused to address it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewis
What I did is refuse to change the subject away from your peddling of discredited economics like the Laffer Curve.
I don't have a problem with Press TV any more than I do with a large proportion of media, the vast majority of which is compromised in terms of its ownership and its record. "Taking money" from them is not a problem in itself.
And I haven't seen any evidence that there's been anything lacking with regard to anti-Semitism from Corbyn personally. Possibly there's some inertia in the party around their procedures, in which case he should do something about that. But on the whole this is just mudslinging.
Now, on the IRA, and I did post about this earlier in the thread, Corbyn has condemned their violence and the violence of others. It's fairly clear that the issue here is that he's insufficiently committed to standing behind the policies of the British state and rather than singling the IRA out as the single source of all problems during the Troubles (which they weren't) tends to align with their political objectives. It's all fairly irrelevant now though. He is heroic because he's put an alternative to neoliberalism to the forefront of UK politics for the first time in decades.
As an aside, I was once at a "day after" party of a wedding in a hotel and Gerry Adams happened to be in the building at some function or other. When he was in the carpark some of the people I was with spotted him and decided to troop outside for a photo op with the famous person. I did not, because I have no desire to meet a mass murderer (however complex his subsequent political role may be). But then I'm not a politician who has a responsibility to undertake such unpleasant work for the greater good. John Hume's talks with Adams at a time when no-one else would give him the time of day were the catalyst for the entire peace process. So, the act of engaging with Sinn Fein during the 1980s was entirely necessary.
Can I just say
'UK government arms sales to Saudi Arabia are lawful, the High Court rules, after seeing secret evidence'
might be the most neo-liberal headline I've ever seen.
I'm sorry, but this is just complete bollocks. It goes against the contemporary evidence available and is revisionism of the worst kind. At least have the decency to admit he's your 'political hero' (in spite of or because of) his stance on the IRA - but let's not pretend it's something it wasn't. He had a choice of supporting the right to self-determination or coercion. He chose coercion. He had a choice of supporting democratic nationalists and peaceful means with the SDLP and John Hume or violence. He chose violence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry
Whatever else it says, it demonstrates clearly that his judgement is simply not good enough for elected office - never mind high office. That his top team is comprised of fellow IRA sympathisers merely compounds it, as it suggests a mindset.
He's also spouted off constantly about how great Venezuela was. Until now, obviously, since it's gone to absolute shit. Another spectacular Corbyn misjudgement.
Venezuela's issues are tied more to it tying it's currency to oil prices when it was $110 a barrel than the evils of socialism.
He took money from them even after Ofcom had revoked their broadcasting licence for using a confession from a CNN journalist that the Iranian government tortured out of him (who they then said worked for MI6 after Ofcom sided with him). Which other parts of the media are similarly 'compromised'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry
Demonstrating that the economic policies implemented were utterly unsustainable and they're now paying the price.
One wonders what would happen if Wor Jez implemented his economic policies, failed to raise the relevant taxation (he wouldn't get near it), the deficit spiked, debt piled on, and the markets panicked. We'd be fucked. And it's not difficult to imagine, given he's useless and this sort of economic solution has never, ever worked. You have to question why people are stupid enough to believe that this time it might.
We'll the current economic solution hasn't worked either (unless you are wealthy), so why the fuck not?
You definitely, definitely, definitely know that many countries around the world do this and it has nothing to do with your attempts at saying 'left economics = bad'Quote:
Originally Posted by GS
http://i.imgur.com/oFvA71v.png
Does Greece mean capitalism has failed? Does Argentina? an entire state in the US (Detroit) filed for bankruptcy recently, is that a failure of capitalism?
They pegged it to the dollar, not oil prices (which would be mental), and then wanked up the state oil company along with everything else. Whilst oil prices were rocketing, their production was actually falling, so they missed out on huge amounts of wealth.
:face:
The socialist economic model is destined to fail because centralised planning is an inherently stupid way of running the economy.
That's not why Press TV's license was revoked at all. This is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewis
Virtually all of the press is owned and run for the benefit of either powerful states or unaccountable elites with shady pro-corporate agendas. Their acquiescence to things like the Iraq War (ooh, look at us - we're embedded! With our brave troops!) and the destruction of the Palestinian homeland makes the misdeeds of Press TV appear trivial in comparison.
They found out about that - that it was literally an Iranian propaganda outlet, rather than merely an affiliate - when they were investigating them airing said tortured confession. I would say that that puts them well beyond what most media organisations do; but, let's just say it doesn't for a minute. He still took money off them. Why did he do that? If you apply the standard you set for GS, he obviously agrees with the sectarian bigotry and homophobia of the Iranian government.
Yeah had read about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewis
Out of interest as I don't know how this stuff works, when the Conservatives inevitably sack the woman who said the n-word. Is that a by-election or do they just replace her?
Neither. She loses the whip, but she'll still be the MP for her constituency until she either resigns or there's another election - at which point the Tories will run somebody else.
As it is, she'll still vote with the Tories so whilst it would affect the mathematical majority it doesn't affect the actual working majority. Unless she's suspended from the Commons for a period, but given we allow terrorist sympathisers to sit in the chamber what's the occasional racist slur.
He's such a hypocritical little cunt.
That's some very convoluted logic. GS voted for sectarian homophobes (having expressed such sentiments himself) but I'm not aware of his being paid by anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewis
:rolleyes:
Clown.
Tell us again about how gays should keep their relationships behind closed doors. :)
Everybody should. What they do behind closed doors is nobody else's business but their own. This was outlined before. It's been outlined many, many times.
Why do you find simple concepts so difficult to grasp?
I'm always unintentionally dropping n-words.