Only 47 of his comrades followed him over the top in the banzai charge.
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Only 47 of his comrades followed him over the top in the banzai charge.
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by Magic
58/59 voted against
I managed about twenty minutes of the tedious prepared statements. It was mainly some bloke droning on about how Clement Attlee got the ball rolling and... Yeah, great, lad.
Opinion polling shows a statistical dead heat in Scotland on it, so it's all a bit lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magic
The SNP lot are a right shambles in the Commons. Standing to applaud Angus fucking Robertson. I mean, for fuck sake. Get a grip and at least respect the place.
Wor Jez outright refusing to read out party policy was good fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewis
May answering "Yes" without hesitation when asked if she'd press the button and the SNP feigning outrage. What would the point if she said 'no'? Exactly, lads.
Time for the government to table some swingeing Irn Bru and Buckfast tax proposals.
:harold:
For fuck's sake. It's getting beyond funny, really. We do actually need an opposition.
They're just going to keep challenging him until Theresa fucking May wins a 300 seat majority and starts spying on all my internet porn habits.
It's over, Lee. The membership want a different PLP, and the PLP want a different membership. If he wins again, it simply can't continue.
It will because they won't have the bottle to split. He'll go when he gets battered in a General Election, after blaming everybody but himself.
The enforcers around him won't let him resign - if he goes, the game is up for the hard left.
I registered for Labour to vote for Corbyn.
Why the Corbyn hate, Lee?
We have a live one, lads. Make sure you engage in the new politics, or you'll scare it away.
Because he's never going to win an election.
Whether right or left, you just have to compromise to get some of what you want. Blair is the perfect example. Centrist leader, because it isn't possible to win elections without attracting people who have previously voted for the other major party, but chucked in stuff like the minimum wage, winter fuel allowance, tax credits, Sure Start centres etc. Recognisably left of centre initiatives.
By voting for Corbyn you are guaranteeing a Tory government at the next election. Most people are in the centre. Most people don't want what he wants. He cannot win.
I don't 'hate' him. I vote pretty consistently Lib Dem. But the bloke is destroying the main centre left party in this country and he doesn't give a shit. People talk bollocks about how 'decent' he is. He isn't. He is of the view that Tory government is harmful to most of the country. And yet he guarantees the continuation of Tory government. He is a self-absorbed cunt on a power trip.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...me-job-i-loved
The state of this, for fuck's sake. The leadership skills. :face:
Because Labour have been doing great with their centrist leaders?
Time for change. He actually offers something different and I think you'll be surprised by the voting numbers, but we'll see.
Surprised based on what? Does he have some magic fairy dust? Look at the polls. He is performing worse than any Labour leader ever has. The polls tell us that a MAJORITY OF FUCKING LABOUR VOTERS think he'd be a worse PM than the Tory leader. And the young people who 'support' him don't even vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reg
And the last centrist Labour leader with any semblance of charisma led the party to three consecutive election victories, for fuck's sake, so yeah, they do pretty well. Ed Miliband moved a bit to the left and got battered. So Labour then decides that moving further left is the answer. Jesus fucking Christ.
Even recent history tells us that any of the parties moving away from the centre get a sound thrashing. Hague. IDS. Howard. Miliband. But somehow history doesn't apply to Corbyn?
Oh, and he looks like a tramp. People aren't voting for a tramp.
Michael Howard didn't really get a 'sound thrashing'.
He did by today's standards. Labour's majority was reduced mainly because of Iraq. It certainly wasn't anything to do with Howard who just spent the election campaign banging on about gypsies and having to slap Oliver Letwin about a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewis
You can't seriously believe this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reg
Glad sense was seen on trident.
I'm far from a warmonger, but getting rid of it would have been absolute lunacy.
I see Corbyn's been married three times, which I find to be an interesting insight into his suitability for high public office.
There are examples of this sort of stuff everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
Here's another.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7141341.html
Everyone round BAE's gaff for a piss-up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yevrah
I'm more worried that he's shagged Diane Abbott. That's some horrific judgement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yevrah
Magic's got the sex tape if you're interested.
I bet Abbot only goes for white cock.
Angela Eagle's dropped out.
:lol:
She wasn't the answer.
You have to laugh, really.
Smith might benefit from being a nobody, because then the left can project onto him in sufficient numbers for him to just about get past Wor Jez.
Are we sure he isn't just Miliband in comedy glasses?
Ed has probably single-handedly broken the left, when you think about it.
The prospect of Ed being PM, or being propped up by the SNP, were two key reasons why the Tories won the majority they did. Winning the majority meant they had to implement the manifesto pledge for an EU referendum. He brought in the rules that has saddled Labour with this shit, and all its consequent impacts like the lol-worthy Jezza EU campaign and now record lows in the polls.
He's still banging on about "climate change" too. You'd think he'd be too embarrassed to show his face in public.
Corbyn will attract new voters, get votes from the many new Labour members whom he was the reason for signing up, and may bring some of the smaller parties' voters back to Labour. If he didn't win an election he might inspire some sort of movement away from the Tories/Labour trying to be the Tories. Also, he genuinely cares about things and is as far removed from the poison political world as I have seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
What is it about his tenure thus far that leads you to believe he can run the kind of campaign that might do that? Let alone get behind the kind of policies it would require. Everything I've seen suggests to me that he would have trouble running a temperature let alone an opposition.
Mainly him actually standing up to the Conservatives. Last election, for every problem that was put forward to the Tories, they got away with blaming the Labour government that ended five years previously. Corbyn will try and fight.
If he's named Labour leader again, I'd hope the MPs actually support him.
Regardless, I can't name any Labour MP who would do a better job, can you?
You don't fight your opponents in the new politics.
He isn't going to attract new voters. He has lost votes for the party. Opinion polls aren't just made up. Even if you are dubious about voting intention numbers his approval ratings are appalling. And leadership approval ratings are historically the most accurate indicator of what will happen at an election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reg
The new Labour members are mainly young. Young people do not vote. Read reports from existing Labour members. These new members aren't out there knocking doors, canvassing for votes. They want the power but not the responsibility. Read the accounts of recently resigned shadow cabinet ministers. He can't lead. He refuses to meet people, for fuck's sake. It's laughable that Corbyn supporters try to paint the resigning MPs as Blairite too. Angela Eagle a Blairite? We are through the looking glass now.
Do you think the leaders of other parties don't care about things? Of course they do. They just happen not to agree with your worldview. Corbyn doesn't have a monopoly on caring.
They won't support him and they shouldn't. He is destroying the party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reg
Corbyn is fighting fuck all. He is letting the Tories do whatever they want without any opposition.
Umunna, Jarvis, Starmer, Smith, Cooper, Johnson, Benn, Burnham, Kendall. Not all would be good exactly. But every one of them would be miles better than Corbyn. Ed Miliband was miles better than Corbyn and he was basically a retard.
I don't even know why I'm bothering. Corbyn supporters have already decided that numbers and history don't apply to the scruffy cunt. I love a scruff as well. He has even turned me against scruffy people.
What do you expect him to do differently?Quote:
Corbyn is fighting fuck all. He is letting the Tories do whatever they want without any opposition.
You follow politics more closely than I do, so I'm happy to hear your thoughts.
I just can't see the reality of someone going to the trouble of registering, and then not voting? I know a lot of young people don't vote - they aren't the ones who have become new members.Quote:
The new Labour members are mainly young. Young people do not vote.
He needs to attack them and present credible alternative policies. He won't attack them and he doesn't have any credible alternative policies. But mainly he needs to resign. He can't do the job. He lost a vote of no confidence of his parliamentary party. That's it. Done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reg
Look at the numbers. He is shedding support.Quote:
I just can't see the reality of someone going to the trouble of registering, and then not voting? I know a lot of young people don't vote - they aren't the ones who have become new members.
He must have done, but at this rate you're probably not a million miles away from voting Tory, so you may as well embrace it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
I'm as far as I ever have been from voting Tory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yevrah
Keep telling yourself that. :nodd:
The old Lee wouldn't have given a shit had Corbyn turned up in a bin bag.
What do you think a potential Labour leader needs to focus on most, out of interest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
And glad to hear.
ISIL has turned Lee from a muzzie loving liberal to GS. :drool:
'Muzzie loving liberal' made me chortle, I must admit.
He's utterly incapable of constructing a cohesive attack against the Government on anything that matters to the public. No-one gives a fuck about Trident, or Palestine, and are barely cognisant on climate change.
People care about immigration, terrorism, house prices, jobs and health/education.
Labour cannot articulate a narrative around the topics that people can buy into, at a time when the Tories are busy fucking every single one of those things up at a cataclysmic rate: burying the NHS, privatising education, building fuck all homes and selling everything that's here to Asians/Arabs, turning the place into a tax haven for their rich mates and sticking their cocks into pigs. And giving Boris a job.
I think Reg is making the very serious mistake of confusing the membership with the electorate. Nobody gives a fuck about the membership - their support is a given. It's your 'Nuneaton Test' - whether Labour's policies and leadership will win key swing voters to the level required to deliver a majority.
On a parliamentary level, I would say the following are key points why MPs simply can't support him. Even if he wins again, they couldn't - in good faith - support his continued leadership of the party.
1) He can't unite the party behind him. It's entirely reasonable that people won't serve in his cabinet. Corbyn and McDonnell, as leader and shadow chancellor, set the direction and they hold views which the majority of the PLP can't support. Being in the shadow cabinet requires collective responsibility and advocacy of those positions in public.
2) He's a poor leader of the parliamentary party. There are stories this week from Lilian Greenwood and another MP from Bristol which demonstrate he is genuinely incompetent at the mechanics of running a major party, ensuring there's a consistent message, and treating his MPs and shadow ministers with a basic degree of respect. He won't even let the PLP speak to him, and seems to go into actively into hiding when the going get tough. It's incompetent, and quite discourteous to people whose jobs could disappear if he continues to be this shit.
3) He's been dreadful at PMQs. He might get the occasional blow in, but Cameron was great at the despatch box and Corbyn routinely missed several open goals to score points e.g. when IDS resigned and he didn't ask about it. PMQs is your chance to press the attack, and he's been singularly incapable of doing so effectively since he took over the leadership.
4) He can't demand loyalty from the PLP. He has rebelled against the whip over 500 times since being elected to parliament in 1983, and it's therefore transparently hypocritical for him to subsequently demand loyalty from anybody.
5) He openly defies official party policy on Trident. He demands people respect 'the mandate', and then openly defies it when it suits him.
MPs aren't stupid, and they can see opinion polling which shows May has a 39 point lead over him on 'who makes the best PM', that May/Hammond have a 37 point lead over Corbyn/McDonnell on who are the best team to run the economy and that they're as much as ten points behind on voting intention. He has the worst approval ratings of any opposition leader after a year.
The membership will vote for him regardless. He's failing dreadfully outside areas which aren't going to vote Labour anyway. This is the crux of the matter, and the reasons why the MPs won't support him are self-evident.