Old guys have always been better, it's just the way wrestling is.
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Old guys have always been better, it's just the way wrestling is.
It's setting up HHH to bury him again.
£££. From a financial point of view it makes sense and that's all there is to it. It was clearly a decision that worked given how social media blew up and people who don't give a shit about wrestling are talking about wrestling. It's a short term view but then when hasn't it been? When was the last slow burning angle? The last superstar to get over organically? (I don't include Daniel fucking Bryan in that either). It's impossible to cater for all likes and let's be honest, we more than had our fill back way back when. SvN's quote makes sense when looked at it from a different point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7om
Problem isn't even the way the match finished, in hindsight it was good as it opened up possibilities but that's where the downside is.
Three years ago I would have multi-quoted the shit out of this and gone to town. Now I just don't care. That's how far this has fallen, for me.
I really don't understand how your expectations can be high enough for you to seem so dejected every time you tune into WWE and, surprise surprise, find a 2010s WWE show waiting for you. When you watch a load of older stuff back to back though I can assure you of one thing, the 50/50 stuff aside the booking wasn't any better back in the "glory days" than it was now.
Anyway, I was unsurprisingly disappointed in general having allowed myself to become optimistic but I enjoyed the main Survivor Series match even if it soon became a spotfest, I enjoyed the main event more than it deserved and despite all the things wrong with it because I'm sick of Lesnar and wanted to enjoy both the IC and Cruiser matches if only they'd given the former a bit more time and not done that shithouse ending for the latter.
He is such a colossal yawn so while there are least three dozen reasons for that ending to be an absolute fucking catastrophe I was still grinning from ear to ear. Fuck you, Baroque. They'll have a rematch but it really wouldn't bother if he fucked off for a few years at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by SvN
Fuck off back to his farm, as Lew said. And just roger Sable quite a bit, you'd think.Quote:
Originally Posted by SvN
Strangely decent show due to some surprising results. RAW going 2-0 up was weird too.
Expect Taker to cost Ambrose then at TLC due to his threat on SD. What a shitfest of a match that will be, AJ can just about carry Ambrose.
My expectations were that it would be crap and I was right. I haven't even watched any WWE in months and had this on because I saw an advert and put it on in the background. We're long past the point where I tune into a show and expect anything good, I'm not that dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian
And the booking was better before, in my opinion.
Also biggest John O'clock ever when JBL shouted 'RAW WINS!' when Bray of Smackdown pinned Roman :henn0rz:
Then I'm obviously misreading the tone because you always write about it as if it's a personal insult.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7om
A few extra stories kicking about, guys allowed to look a bit stronger but they were carried by guys getting absurdly over in spite of what the WWF/E wanted to do, not because of it, and giving them little choice. They had the same shitshow of terrible endings, your average Raw and Smackdown was still mostly crammed full of dross and you still had [wrestler]winslol, it's just that people liked Austin winning every single match.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7om
If the booking was better it was only just. Watch enough back and you soon learn there's a fuckload of utter dross whatever era you're looking at.
Ive been catching up on New Japan's G1 Climax and it is really refreshing to watch. Kenny Omega is easily better than most of the blokes in WWE but I guess he is suited to the NJPW style.
I think you must be because how could shit booking be a personal insult? Criticizing a product doesn't mean I'm offended or upset, I'm just pointing out that I think it's crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian
You've taken that a bit literally.
You'd expect Goldberg wasn't in great shape to do an extended match, so it's probably better having him squash him in three minutes than engage in a fifteen minute match where they dodge each other, suplex each other, and Lesnar has to walk around taunting the crowd whilst Goldberg catches his breath.
It was also a nice touch for Goldberg to be soaking wet as soon as he came out of his locker room so you didn't notice the sweat flooding off him like during his promos these last few weeks.
I read he's always soaking so his pyro doesn't burn his skin off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian
I'm not sure why people are searching for positives in this, there are not any. Lesnar couldn't go on raping people forever but being "the man who beat Lesnar" was going to carry so much weight, and they've spunked it up the wall on an OAP who at best might have 2 more matches in him (The Rumble and WM) and who seemingly can't be trusted to wrestle for 90 seconds. I don't care how many Goldberg fans were created last night, it's an absolute fucking farce.
The positive is, I was entertained. And so were a ton of other people. You don't always have to look so deep.
Raw is on now so here's hoping for a quick explanation. Make or break from a storyline point of view or whether last night was all it was going to be.
EDIT: He's coming right out so here's hoping. :cool:
Oh well. As long as it gave everyone a bit of shallow shock-factor then it doesn't matter if it made sense or not. Creative has always been drivel, apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Browning
You were entertained for 90 seconds and that makes throwing years of build down the drain alright?Quote:
Originally Posted by SvN
Hopefully they have Hogan leg drop that cunt Goldberg's face off. That would entertain me so fuck whatever else it destroys.
It's fake wrestling mate.
If people arent watching New Japan I suggest they get on board. It reminds me of old school stiff wrestling from the 80's
Goldberg hasn't lost in 12 years now so that's the streak to beat, when they give that victory to James Ellsworth so many people will feel silly.
In that case they may as well pack up and go home then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Queenslander
It's just common sense that you don't build up someone as an unstoppable beast and job him to a pensioner in 90 seconds.
Be fair, they jobbed him to a videogame, selling stuff is basically the point of Raw these days.
You keep coming out with this spiel but when was the last time a genuine effort to build someone paid dividends?Quote:
Originally Posted by Browning
WWE built up Lesnar in his first run, he bolted. Heyman pitched CM Punk to beat the streak, he quit. Daniel Bryan had the opportunity before The Rock got injured otherwise Lesnar would never have faced The Undertaker but DB instead, he had to go through injury. Sting V Undertaker before it became apparent Sting could barely last two minutes and so on and so on.
Unless you can give me a genuine example of when the WWE spent years building someone up then successfully built on that then what gives you the confidence that it would have been different with Brock Lesnar? Fact is even if it was going that way and Lesnar remained unbeaten, the only legitimate person on the roster you would have fancied beating him lost to him at WrestleMania because the fans dislike him as he's not their chosen one.
Of course if all the roster were as reliant as the other disliked one, John Cena then you'd have much more confidence in the actual wrestler sticking around to make such a rub worthwhile. As it is, I can't recall a single example.
As fun as it has been, common sense should have dictated that building Brock Lesnar as strong as he had been built up would always lead to this point irrespective of who he was facing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Browning
No matter who he lost to it wouldn't have made a difference.
He's also a part timer with a penchant for walking away from stuff to find a payday somewhere else, how much of your full time roster do you really want to feed to someone like that? Bringing Glodbog back for a couple of high profile matches makes perfect sense, having Lesnar steamroll everyone every time really doesn't.
Not entirely true. Sports Entertainment was never his preferred choice but other than the Olympics there wasn't a great way to go. He tried at football and was unfortunate then the UFC stuff. He's a fine specimen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco
The fact they've been terrible at it in the past still doesn't justify lesnar losing to someone completely incapable of doing anything with it. It may as well have been Hogan, that would be exactly the same. At least Hogan could still throw a punch without falling over.
I never thought Lesnar should have beaten the streak because he was already as big as he was going to get. To give him it and job him to Goldberg cannot be justified.
It wouldn't have matter who beat him. Trade Goldberg for any other wrestler on the roster, if they'd squashed him it would have still been a WTF moment, if they'd beaten him you'd then have a wrestler who has the rub of beating the beast then probably lose to James Elsworth a few episodes down the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Browning
I'm looking forward to both Goldberg and Lesnar running riot in the Rumble. :cool:
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Originally Posted by Browning
I'd go one step further and have Scott Hall come out and taser him behind the ref's back. Big boot, heel turn cupping the ear to the crowd, air guitar, three leg drops, crowd throws trash in the ring.
Didn't miss a beat. What a hero.
Yeah, Hall was genuinely great. Never got the hype around Nash.
I'm sure we discussed it in here but I did chuckle at whoever it was (was it somebody as obvious as Cornette?) talking about having to get Fake Diesel and Fake Hall ready to, well, pretend to be them in matches, only to discover Nash only had three moves or whatever it was. Nash is shit and a massive cunt to boot.
To be honest if they're never going to let anybody proper look like anything other than a weak twat against Lesnar then by all means keep him restricted to these stupid novelty matches. Chess-boxing against Great Khali at Royal Rumble please.
It was Cornette, and I think it was five moves including the hair sweep.
Sidewalk slam, big boot, Jacknife Powerbomb, hair sweep....
What was the fourth? Politicking?
https://youtu.be/2JpOQcgE-zY?t=46sQuote:
Originally Posted by Ian
Kevin Nash is sound, and they could do a lot worse than giving him a creative role.
Undertaker announcing he's back and then not appearing on Survivor Series or the Smackdown episode after was great stuff.
The full Team Hell No and Ryback vs The Shield match from TLC 2012 is on WWE's YouTube channel :drool:
WCPW PPV coming to MK. :drool:
I don't know why I care, but it might be a laugh as it's down the road.
I still find it odd that WCPW is even a thing.
I find it odder that it's actually not bad.
I find it odder that Simon works for Eurogamer as well.
I wish we had something similar down here.
I'm keen to see how far it goes. It seemed to me to start off as a 'can we actually do this?' type of project but is seemingly snowballing. I mean they can already pull in great names.
It's been worth it just for Martin Kirby.
I never thought that I would say this but NJPW, ROH and WCPW make me care a lot more than WWE atm.