Harold talking rubbish about things that happened ages ago

Thank fuck you came along and cleared that up. Those sneaky fucking muslims telling me they hate extremists and dislike the ones that murdered their friends back home. The cover stories folk invent just to stay here and rape our teenage girls eh, #arabladz



You are a toolbox but this is actually fucking hilarious now. You take an entrenched position and throw out dud verbal hand grenades in the expectation of a debate/e victory.

I am fucking howling at your pish. Swear to a deity, we are all being trolled by him. Bravo HB bravo.

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Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair

No, you was wrong. You can resist Islam without banning free speech. You haven't deonstrated this isn't the case at all. All you did was say what the government has done, so that's why I said 'who cares', in response to that.

Now before you try misrepresenting me again, explain why you can't have freedom of speech and still resist (radical) Islam.

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You can resist Islam without banning free speech. I never said otherwise. What I said was that 'official attempts' to do so have eroded the already flimsy protections offered to free expression and speech (and that Douglas Murray supports them).

Basically, you didn't read it properly in the first place, and, rather than admit to having done so, you're bracing yourself to 1) argue against something I never said; before 2) disputing the accepted meanings of commonly-used words and concepts.

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Originally Posted by Chrissy

Thank fuck you came along and cleared that up. Those sneaky fucking muslims telling me they hate extremists and dislike the ones that murdered their friends back home. The cover stories folk invent just to stay here and rape our teenage girls eh, #arabladz



You are a toolbox but this is actually fucking hilarious now. You take an entrenched position and throw out dud verbal hand grenades in the expectation of a debate/e victory.

I am fucking howling at your pish. Swear to a deity, we are all being trolled by him. Bravo HB bravo.

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Well tell the great Muslim mates that you see every day to keep up the good work.

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Originally Posted by Lewis

You can resist Islam without banning free speech. I never said otherwise. What I said was that 'official attempts' to do so have eroded the already flimsy protections offered to free expression and speech (and that Douglas Murray supports them).

Basically, you didn't read it properly in the first place, and, rather than admit to having done so, you're bracing yourself to 1) argue against something I never said; before 2) disputing the accepted meanings of commonly-used words and concepts.

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And I never said anything about the official attempts. So straw-manning again, I see.

Then why did you disagree with my original post that very clearly referred to 'official attempts'?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...oming-12165527

@Henry

Well, that's very bad indeed isn't it? Why are you highlighting it to me?

‘Cause you’re a nonce.

https://assets.publishing.service.go..._CSE_Paper.pdf

Muslamic ray guns are mostly white:

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17. A number of high-profile cases - including the offending in Rotherham investigated by Professor Alexis Jay,3 the Rochdale group convicted as a result of Operation Span, and convictions in Telford – have mainly involved men of Pakistani ethnicity. Beyond specific high-profile cases, the academic literature highlights significant limitations to what can be said about links between ethnicity and this form of offending. Research has found that group-based CSE offenders are most
commonly White.4 Some studies suggest an over-representation of Black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations.5 However, it is not possible to conclude that this is representative of all group-based CSE offending. This is due to issues such as data quality problems, the way the samples were selected in studies, and the potential for bias and inaccuracies in the way that ethnicity data is collected.6 During our conversations with police forces, we have found that in the operations reflected, offender groups come from diverse backgrounds, with each group being broadly ethnically homogenous. However, there are cases where offenders within groups come from different backgrounds.7

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While some of the research set out above suggests that there are high numbers of offenders of Asian or Black ethnicities committing group-based CSE offences, it is not possible to say whether these groups are over-represented in this type of offending. As set out in paragraph 75, research to date has relied on poor-quality data with a number of weaknesses. It remains difficult to compare the make-up of the offender population with the local demography of certain areas, in order to make fully informed assessments of whether some groups are over-represented. Based on the existing evidence, and our understanding of the flaws in the existing data, it
seems most likely that the ethnicity of group-based CSE offenders is in line with CSA more generally and with the general population, with the majority of offenders being White.

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Jesus that's badly written.

'Most are white' and 'unable to confirm over-representation of ethnics due to data quality problems'. There's a reason why :harold: is named ;harold; and this is it. Gtf back in your box you apologist because that stinks of COVER-UP.

The introductory note explains that basically all of the academic research is worthless owing to the lack of any commonly accepted definitions, and then the 'Research has found/Some studies' passage cites the same references (that gets repeated later). That would be a bit suspect in any other field, in which case why not just rely on the data you do have like convictions?

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Police-collected data on ethnicity uses broad categories and requires the police to assign an ethnicity rather than it being self-reported by offenders. Data is therefore not always accurate; Berelowitz et al. (2012) observed cases of offenders being initially classed as ‘Asian’ but actually coming from other backgrounds, such as White British or Afghan.

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lmao

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CEOP (2011) undertook a data collection with police forces, children’s services and specialist providers from the voluntary sector, looking at those allegedly involved in ‘street grooming’ and CSE. Data was returned on approximately 2,300 possible offenders, but approximately 1,100 were excluded from analysis due to a lack of basic information. In the remaining 1,200 cases, ethnicity data was unknown for 38% of them. Where data was available 30% of offenders were White, while 28% were Asian. Due to the amount of missing data, both basic offender information and ethnicity specifically, these figures should be treated with caution.

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Even if every excluded/unknown offender was white that would make 'Asians' more than twice as likely to be at it as anyone else.

Here come the racists.

One of the main issues about detection regarding this phenomena, is that unlike Gimpy Graham in his mum's cellar in a string vest messaging who he thinks is a school girl on facebook in an attempt to touch a real breast, these offenders usually are more outgoing and at least have a car if not enough cash to impress young women. The distinction between racial groups is an issue because this behaviour still happens with white men and young girls: I'm pretty sure everyone at school can remember lads in shitty hatchbacks hanging around and often 'going out' with some of the girls.

The problem is that police forces generally write this off as 'a lifestyle choice' on the part of the girls, even if they aren't old enough to consent, and even if that results in teenage pregnancy. It is probably seen as more hassle than it is worth intervening with when it is white offenders, never mind when it's some non-white offenders doing it to the white school girls of a majority white town.

I know for a fact that there has been plenty of heinous shit done to young teenage girls by white chav lads in Barrow but for some reason it doesn't get the same press and outrage as someone non-white from a local takeaway being linked to it.

The sad fact is grooming gangs are rife across the country but they aren't restricted by race or religion, just men who like to dominate and control naive girls until they are no longer useful to them. It is just easier to turn a blind eye to if it is white on white and not your family member.

I know a girl who used to be on my wife's livery yard who had only just turned 16 and had a 30 year old boyfriend, everyone talked about it disapprovingly and just speculated on what the parents were doing about it, but that was it. I reckon there would have been a stronger reaction if he wasn't white.

I would have loved to use the cries of 'racist' to fuel me to take it apart as I imagined it would be fairly easy given the two main headlines I highlighted offered no insight both sides didn't already know but I see Lewis has ruined my wanking material for tonight.

Afghan :D

It mentions all of the different ethnicities recorded (whilst conflating ethnicity and nationality) and then invites you to take them all as disparate groups clouding the data. Meanwhile, words relating to the obvious cultural unifier amongst 'Asian' grooming gangs are completely absent. Even if you don't want to call it a COVER UP it's an absolutely dogshit bit of research.

Only because it doesn't confirm your racism.

Did Harold write that or something?

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Originally Posted by Kikó

Only because it doesn't confirm your racism.

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Life confirms my racism. :lewis: