Kelly Piquet daughter of Nelson and who, in a beautiful irony, used to be with and has a child with Danil Kvyat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
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Kelly Piquet daughter of Nelson and who, in a beautiful irony, used to be with and has a child with Danil Kvyat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
Okay I didn’t know that bit.
Let the man keep his title for that :D
What an absolute ring rat :D
Any tears from Hamilton? Couldn't have happend to a nicer bloke. :harold:
Just imagine if they have kids, a Piquet/Verstappen hybrid could be a terrifying prospect.
Unless it gets the Jos and Nelsinho DNA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco
I mean they would be an absolute cunt rather than fast.
Just spotted Sainz in third puts him above Legreg in the championship, that's quite funny.
Would that not have been expected? He came from McLaren very highly rated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco
They signed him to be slower than Prince Charles.
Ah yes, I’m on the wrong forum.
Horner not exuding his usual high levels of smugness upon leaving the stewards, by the looks of things . . .
Outside Jimmy obviously, would any of you really count a technicality win as a real win?
I mean the alternative is the FIA making the rules up as they go along which is what they've actually managed to do.
Ted with the interesting conspiracy theory on The Notebook. That they only fueled Checo with 3/4 of a tank to keep him close to Lewis and affect the race. Winter off season getting off to a good start :drool:
The best kind, if they overturn this result it will be the most hilarious thing ever, like 2008 but it takes an hour to fuck over Massa.
That explains the "We're retiring the car." which flummoxed Checo.
I did think his surprise at being called in to retire was a bit :sherlock: but I couldn't immediately think of the shenanigans there might have been.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7om
Is that legal? I presume it is, but it seems a bit odd to have a situation where someone could theoretically be out of gas on the straight, safety-wise.
It won’t though. Well, maybe for the first evening or day it will be but after that it goes back to being a bit sad. We all know what we’re really seeing here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco
He should be happy to have been involved, completely anonymous for the rest of the season.
Whatever the outcome imagine that decision was made during the race. If they hadn't let the other cars go or if the race had finished under the safety car that seems like normal procedure. If someone overtakes under a safety car and is penalised that's also normal. So really all we're arguing about is the timing which doesn't really seem like such a big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giggles
There's no real winner here anyway, it would have been hard for there to have been. Perhaps finishing behind the safety car would have respected the result that the race was clearly destined to produce a bit more, but fuck that. The best way to deal with it would probably have been to chuck the red flag straight away, but they've become too liberal with those anyway and that clearly would have been a very artificial way to address the initial problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giggles
There’s no winner if it’s decided in a room full of suits. We seen a winner on the track where the racing is done.Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
Aye, but we didn't see that either. What we saw was a mess. They should let it stand and move on, but it's hard to see how you can really justify that other than in the 'lol car racing Toto' way Masi did.
Just caught up with this thread now. Fantastic reactionary takes from you all, Jimmy especially.
Some real seethe in this quote particularly:
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
They brought a barrister in. Because you just have one of those ready to go. :D
One of the things Toto did wrong was have a general purpose whine at Masi's decision. He should have been immediately on the specifics, there and then. I thought it so he should have done too. Zero emotion.
The key to the whole thing is 'why some lapped cars and not others'.
Merc having the lawyers ready to go at the track. :face:
Single lap shoot-out with the lawyers at the wheel?Quote:
David Coulthard
Former F1 driver on Channel 4
How else was this going to end when the stakes are so high? Sadly, if it's decided by three stewards, a drivers' steward and a load of lawyers that will leave a sour taste for me. It's not about their performances as drivers.
The result will stand because the FIA's never been a paragon of authority. And they've announced the results on their social media and website. It just so happens the curveball was thrown in the dying minute. Masi should've red flagged it. Lewis gets to put a fresh set on and we have a 4 lap sprint. Lewis wins it, Jos thumps Kelly and then she tells Max she fell.
Everybody's happy.
This will get dragged out to Thursday either way, but this is shite and exactly what we didn’t want regardless of the winner.
They shouldn't change the result, but it will always be a title tainted by having been won via catastrophic official error. Verstappen's 2021 title and the decision made by Masi will go hand in hand forever, removing all the gloss from his driving achievements.
That would also be the same if they overturned it now and/or if Hamilton had won in the same way.
Name a company the size of Mercedes without a lawyer.
Greggs?
Anyway, as to the race, which seems a long time ago, I still don't really agree with the Mercedes strategy of just covering off Verstappen's pit stop straight away when they had tyres that could have run longer. Seemed to be giving away an advantage that starting on the mediums should have given them. In the end, maybe Hamilton having slightly fresher tyres might have allowed him to hold him off at the end. Although I also thought they were wrong to leave him out under the VSC and that was unarguably the right call, absent extenuating circumstances. But then, had he pitted, and Verstappen stayed out [assuming opposite strategy] he would have had him on toast [mutually assured destruction notwithstanding].
It'd be amazing if Red Bull hadn't fuelled Perez's car enough with the sole intention of him just fucking about Hamilton.
I agree with this, and said it at the time. Were they that scared of a six-second undercut? They were a little too much on the defensive all day, for a team that had the pace. Though without Latifi binning it late on they'd have cruised to a 10 second win, so what do I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
Wonder what the odds on Verstappen winning were immediately prior to the crash.
I'm sure they are arguing right now that they would have pitted Hamilton at the full safety car had they thought it would come in before the end of the race, the only reason it didn't being that Masi decided to knock a lap off the normal procedure.
It's a good argument but they definitely wouldn't have conceded track position to Max with only 5-6 laps left, no matter how quick the SC was going to be.
Must have been a Mercedes crew on the recovery crane as well, it took an absolute age to get going.
Agent Bottas should have parked it as a parting gesture.
Overtaking under the safety car protest has been dismissed, now we just have to wait for other clog to drop.
I doubt highly they will accept either protest. But the one that’s left requires Masi admitting he’s wrong, then the FIA deciding to change a decision that will directly change a championship winner.
It just won’t happen. Even though Mercedes are in the right.
Agreed. Funny watching them flail about trying to justify it all though.
It's the old Bahrain-Uzbekistan precedent in terms of referees fundamentally fucking it, most sports have safeguards in place to avoid such a shambles.
Maybe make the pair drive from Abu Dhabi back to Paris for the ceremony on Friday and whoever arrives at the gala first (in full black tie) gets the championship.
The only thing they have is some sort of variation on 'the race director's decision is final', so it'll be that, even though I'm not sure there's anything that necessarily says it is final.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco
“A 36 year old man from Stevenage has been found unresponsive in his car after appearing to crash into a wall. Sources say a can of energy drink was found at the scene”Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
It was guaranteed to be decided in a room full of suits when they decided to make up rules (or apply existing rules in ways that they have never been applied before, if you prefer) on the spot. Right now, even if they decide to change nothing (which they will), the room full of suits has occurred and the controversy created.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giggles
This is why the UK has an unwritten constitution, btw. Written rules are a pain in the arse under the glare of reality.
It wouldn't be such a pain in the arse if they just followed the rule.
That’s the problem. Masi doesn’t know the rules. You can hear it when they speak to him.
Decision expected any minute, though we know what it is really.