The UK Politics Thread [Wot did Jez do now...]

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Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair

Lol at 'well integrated' in Tower Hamlets. The white Brits would have to be the ones integrating.

Another thing to take into consideration is that those who can speak multiple languages are just more likely to be more intelligent.

As for the Phonics stats on Tower Hamlets, the whites who can afford to leave are probably doing so, leaving the dimwits behind.

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Well, no. It was primarily a white British area up until the war, with a fairly substantial Jewish population (more over towards Whitechapel though) and now has the majority of Bengali's in London here.

The kids speaking multiple languages will be speaking Bengali at home and English day-to-day at school, that's all.

The borough also contains Canary Wharf, so you get quite a lot people moving here for jobs in the City. There's a bunch of redevelopment and new flats going up that are bonkers expensive, so that will bring a different kind of person here and change the make-up of the place again. Plus it's right between Shoreditch and Hackney, so it's chock-full of hipsters.

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Originally Posted by Kikó

Tell us more about your first hand London experiences Kevin? Which borough is Hatfield in again?

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I go there all the time, and I don't live in Hatfield. Not that one needs to live there to make the case I have.

Your 'case' being a) a video of old rich white guy John Cleese b) something tenuous about language which flies in direct opposition to the statistics posted earlier in the thread c) you're a racist thundercunt?

Ok chief.

Tower Hamlets always looked like it had a lot of money spent on schools. There were untold number of all-singing-and-dancing looking new schools along the Regent's Canal when you got into purple bin territory.

Yeah, despite various government shenanigans it's got pretty good schooling - along with the aforementioned hipster influx you also get a load of well-educated middle-class kids who want to be teachers moving in so the overall standard of teaching is likely higher than some no mark town in Scunthorpe or whatever.

But what does John Cleese think?

Usually, in London, by the time an area has a reputation for being shit it has either gentrified or had money poured into it, and the real shithole is now elsewhere.

TH just has the issue of the politicians being bent more than anything on the ground.

It has Shadwell as well :s

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Originally Posted by Kikó

But what does John Cleese think?

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John Cleese thinks the correct thing, which is why I posted it.

Tell us more about your trips to London Kev.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...lectually-lazy

Good article about how Super Lynton Crosby won the election. The hundreds of seething comments at the bottom are good as well.

The yoof of Tower Hamlets might end up proving once and for all whether that lot can mix in (the women especially). If they out-perform everyone and still can't be arsed then fucking hell.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...lectually-lazy

Good article about how Super Lynton Crosby won the election. The hundreds of seething comments at the bottom are good as well.

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In early 2015, Sinclair and Muirhead had presented a poster depicting the Labour leader standing beside the deep end of a swimming pool wearing goggles, a rubber ring and inflatable armbands. There was no headline; the image said it all. But focus groups suggested the poster was perhaps too mean. The Saatchi team created a second draft of the poster, in which Miliband was joined by Salmond, dressed in a lifeguard’s uniform, with a speech bubble that read: “I’ll save you!” Salmond was no longer leader of the SNP, but his public profile had been boosted by the 2014 independence referendum and the Saatchi team used it to their advantage. The poster was received positively by focus groups. But the Saatchi team refined it further, depicting a gormless-looking Miliband peeping out of Salmond’s top pocket.

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:lol:

They've just nicked that from Spitting Image.

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Originally Posted by Kikó

Tell us more about your trips to London Kev.

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Us, or you? I'll pm you if you like?

PM, I'd love to hear about your experiences.

I interned for Saatchi for a bit. We only got perfumes and shite. What I'd do to be on one of those teams, best job in the world.

In other immigrant news, this is all down to them isn't it? Unless Conservative England is just fairer and more fair.

Speaking of immigration, I did like that Polish MP who claimed Poland had taken in over A MILLION Ukranian refugees. This sounded a bit high so they checked. They'd taken 3.

They've also taken 1000 of our troops to form a permanent base there.

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Originally Posted by Lewis

In other immigrant news, this is all down to them isn't it? Unless Conservative England is just fairer and more fair.

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Also you can't just fill doctoring places with token northern thickos like you can with most other jobs.

This is a quite interesting interview with Dominic Cummings (he runs Vote Leave).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75ceVJ9dOUI

It's an absolute no brainer to leave, frankly.

I got a newspaper called 'Europe and You' through the door this morning. Now you all know that I don't need any encouragement in the pro-EU cause but I'm not sure Karren Brady telling me we are better off in is the way to convince waverers.

I have a feeling that the whole establishment wanting to stay in might work againt them. All the main parties are pro-EU, the BBC and virtually all of the media are as well. When the actual population is something around 50/50, it's hardly representative.The people don't like a stitch-up.

I got that the other day Lee. I binned it before I read any of it so can you give me the gist?

Why are you pro-EU, Lee? I can understand not being fussed either way and considering it safer to vote for the status quo but why are you actively pro-EU?

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Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair

I have a feeling that the whole establishment wanting to stay in might work againt them. All the main parties are pro-EU, the BBC and virtually all of the media are as well. When the actual population is something around 50/50, it's hardly representative.The people don't like a stitch-up.

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The polling on this is interesting. Most polls have in winning, but online polls tend to have it quite close, with out occassionally leading narrowly, whilst phone polls have had in about 20 points ahead recently.

I think the latter are closer to the trust given that phone polls tend to be more accurate (even in the badly polled 2015 general election) and referenda more often end with people keeping things as they are. That said, it's difficult to tell when we don't have a date and the campaign hasn't really got going. To stand a chance though the out lot need to choose a leader quicly and they need to paint a picture of why being out is positive. If they just bang on about the EU being shit they'll be fucked.

Wasn't that poll conducted before the mass rapes and attempted cover-ups by the establishment in other EU countries?

The pro lot just endlessly bang on about the economy. Of course that's important, but most people who are against it are against the lack of fundamental democracy and accountability, and also the free movement of sexually dysfunctional gropers and general erosion of our society ands culture. To me, staying in will be the final nail in the coffin.

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Originally Posted by Boydy

Why are you pro-EU, Lee? I can understand not being fussed either way and considering it safer to vote for the status quo but why are you actively pro-EU?

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I identify as European. Our culture and history is shared across the continent and I see us as the same people. The principles of ever closer union are attractive to me and I think the institutions work. Of course it could work better - I'd have a directly elected president, for example, but it's pretty democratic despite the nonsense about it not being. I've posted about the institutions before and how they each are either elected directly or are nominated by elected national governments. The same goes for EU policy. It's never just proposed or decided by 'Eurocrats', which don't actually exist.

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Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair

Wasn't that poll conducted before the mass rapes and attempted cover-ups by the establishment in other EU countries?

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There were a couple, but yeah I think so. That will be forgotten about by the time people vote and in any case the vote is about the UK's place in the EU. We aren't in Schengen so we aren't going to have people just wandering into the country in the way Germany did. And what happens is a consequence of German domestic policy, not EU policy. Merkel wanted loads of immigrants for economic reasons. The issue with the summer migration, in EU terms, was shit external border controls. That does need fixing.

Also on the polling, I've just read that people aren't being asked the question on the basis of the referendum itself. I suspect the results would be even more in favour of remain if they asked in the context of the phoney renegotiation. I saw something months back on Political Betting which suggested a big swing towards remain if Cameron recommended staying in following renegotiation. People trust him.

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Originally Posted by Lee

There were a couple, but yeah I think so. That will be forgotten about by the time people vote and in any case the vote is about the UK's place in the EU. We aren't in Schengen so we aren't going to have people just wandering into the country in the way Germany did. And what happens is a consequence of German domestic policy, not EU policy. Merkel wanted loads of immigrants for economic reasons. The issue with the summer migration, in EU terms, was shit external border controls. That does need fixing.

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I don't think it will be forgotten. It doesn't matter if we are in Schengen - these perverts can get EU passports within a few years and then they can come here as they wish. These are the kind of issues which the pro lot knopw they can't deal with, and I hope it's hammered home by our side. And tell me, with the free movement of people, what do 'border controls' achieve?

People trust Cameron? Jesus fucking christ.

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Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair

I don't think it will be forgotten. It doesn't matter if we are in Schengen - these perverts can get EU passports within a few years and then they can come here as they wish. These are the kind of issues which the pro lot knopw they can't deal with, and I hope it's hammered home by our side. And tell me, with the free movement of people, what do 'border controls' achieve?

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Well you control who comes into the EU and have free movement inside of it. Surely it's obvious the difference that could make? And even with an EU passport you don't just get waved in to the UK. If you think you get freedom or movement full stop then you don't understand our Schengen opt out. The whole point is that we have passport checks whereas if you go from, say, Belgium to France you don't.

I'm one of the 'pro lot' and I can deal with it, thanks, I just think you're wrong and I'm right. Such is the nature of debate.

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Originally Posted by Boydy

People trust Cameron? Jesus fucking christ.

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They elected his party to majority government less than a year ago. Why the surprise?

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Originally Posted by Boydy

People trust Cameron? Jesus fucking christ.

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I don't think they will on the EU. He's a decent frontman, in general. But he doesn't really stand for anything.

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Originally Posted by Lee

They elected his party to majority government less than a year ago. Why the surprise?

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In the face of nothing else to vote for, let's be honest.

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Originally Posted by Boydy

People trust Cameron? Jesus fucking christ.

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Not just having a dig at you here Boyd, but this sort of reaction, at this juncture, from the left amuses me greatly.

'The People' trusted him far far more than the mongoloid.

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Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair

In the face of nothing else to vote for, let's be honest.

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Nige won't like you calling him nothing.

You do have a point but I think the main reason for them being re-elected is that people saw them as digging the economy out of the shit. Even if we boil it down to a lack of alternatives, that looks like being the same for the out campaign at the minute.

Oh I know people hated Miliband. I just thought how they voted was probably a least worst option rather than actively trusting him.

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Originally Posted by Lee

Well you control who comes into the EU and have free movement inside of it. Surely it's obvious the difference that could make? And even with an EU passport you don't just get waved in to the UK. If you think you get freedom or movement full stop then you don't understand our Schengen opt out. The whole point is that we have passport checks whereas if you go from, say, Belgium to France you don't.

I'm one of the 'pro lot' and I can deal with it, thanks, I just think you're wrong and I'm right. Such is the nature of debate.

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I didn't mean 'deal weith it' in that sense. I mean your side are weak on this point. Fundamentally weak, which is why the in lot always go on about the economy and fear mongering about 3 million jobs lost, which is patently nonsense. The EU has not shown, in all its years, that it is effective in border controls. Besides that, there's so many undesirables already here, thanks to the legs open, border politics of rape fetishist, Angela Merkel the traitor, that it's a moot point. We want controls here, on our shores, not somewhere else in the EU.

And to your point earlier - the countries within Europe have vastly different cultures. I don't know why you want some vast monoculture? Even France, just across the ocean, has a vastly different culture and history to us, and that's to be celebrated.

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Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair

I didn't mean 'deal weith it' in that sense. I mean your side are weak on this point. Fundamentally weak, which is why the in lot always go on about the economy and fear mongering about 3 million jobs lost, which is patently nonsense. The EU has not shown, in all its years, that it is effective in border controls. Besides that, there's so many undesirables already here, thanks to the legs open, border politics of rape fetishist, Angela Merkel the traitor, that it's a moot point. We want controls here, on our shores, not somewhere else in the EU.

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We already have them. We are not in Schengen. People can't just saunter in.

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Originally Posted by Lee

Nige won't like you calling him nothing.

You do have a point but I think the main reason for them being re-elected is that people saw them as digging the economy out of the shit. Even if we boil it down to a lack of alternatives, that looks like being the same for the out campaign at the minute.

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4 million isn't nothing for UKIP, but we live in the voting system we do. The EU debate won't be won by personalities, so I don't think what you say matters in the least. Another mass rape and or atrocity close to home will probably seal the deal.

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Originally Posted by Lee

We already have them. We are not in Schengen. People can't just saunter in.

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Okay so who, with an EU passport, can't just saunter in?

Not UK based politics, but here in Vietnam the congress is about to elect it's new General Secretary.

In totally unrelated news, most network SMS services have been suspended (annoying), The Guardian website is down, the BBC is down (it always is) and the Human Rights Watchdog website is down.

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Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair

Okay so who, with an EU passport, can't just saunter in?

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Nobody can. They check your passport and can turn you away. EU citizens don't have the right to enter the UK without having their passports checked. Perhaps you want to go further and implement visa arrangements for European visitors, you tell me.

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Originally Posted by Lee

Nobody can. They check your passport and can turn you away. EU citizens don't have the right to enter the UK without having their passports checked. Perhaps you want to go further and implement visa arrangements for European visitors, you tell me.

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Why would they turn away someone with an EU passport who doesn't have a criminal record? And yes, for those who want to live here a certain length of time, certainly.

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Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair

Why would they turn away someone with an EU passport who doesn't have a criminal record?

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What's your point? Why would we do that even if we weren't in the EU?

"Sorry Hans, we've already let our 50 Germans in today."

Our decision making at borders can hardly be laid at the feet of the EU.

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Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair

Why would they turn away someone with an EU passport who doesn't have a criminal record? And yes, for those who want to live here a certain length of time, certainly.

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The Syrian terrorist with an EU passport probably won't be applying for residency.