I was checking to see if Colapinto was on loan from a bigger team but he's one of Williams' own. That's cool because I assume the top young talent all winds up at a Red Bull or Ferrari academy. And then the call up never arrives.
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I was checking to see if Colapinto was on loan from a bigger team but he's one of Williams' own. That's cool because I assume the top young talent all winds up at a Red Bull or Ferrari academy. And then the call up never arrives.
That McLaren cock up will be costly then. Verstappen and red bull still look like the 4th best car
4 poles in a row at Baku for Leclerc after the iconic ‘I’m stupid’ meme is some effort
There's enough straight lines to maybe see a fightback but I don't see it from Lando. He's going to need a big slice of luck tomorrow. Maybe Verstappen can slam into Perez or something.
Lewis should do the dirty on him.
Baku is basically a longer Monaco. Rarely see overtakes. It’s quite funny that it’s arguably one of the hardest tracks to lose a position off the line and it’s the one time Norris hasn’t made it to Q3 this year so his record of not overtaking anyone in lap 1 this year may live omQuote:
Originally Posted by Shindig
Presumably Sky made all these dramatic montages before Norris put the car P16 on Saturday.
Huge fan of both Crofty and Brundle not being arsed with a trip to this dump.
Colapinto and Bearman impressive grid positions.
Checo really thought about going through the back of Piastri at the first corner.
Good start to the race for Lando but Yuki is holding him up massively.
Stroll just goes for mental moves and then blames the other driver when it obviously doesn't work.
The entitlement is unreal.
Good luck getting past a double Williams set up on this long straight :lol:
FIA put the car in 16th*Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
Conspiracy alright.
McLaren getting undercut again?
I'm shocked.
But they want Piastri to help Lando...
Lando successfully rear-gunning for Piastri there, love it.
That was really nice from Piastri.
Kangaroo balls. How did Ferrari managed to balls up their gap?
If I had a guess, I would guess that this will end up with Perez barrelling into them and magically moving Max up onto the podium.
Safety car anytime now would be lovely
Piastri's defensive work has been amazing here.
I think he's been the best driver on the grid since the summer break. Or a few races before that, even.
Holy fuck.
Oh, 'eck.
Perez just doesn't have 'it', does he?
That was such a nice move from the Ferrari's and then BOOM.
Perez is a fucking clown.
Good of Checo to wait until just after Norris overtook Verstappen.
One of the supreme drives of the season by Piastri.
Yeah , initially thought racing incident, but with Perez behind.... hmmm.
Even if he wasn't behind, he quite clearly is the one of the two that's not following the straight line.
Best case scenario today. Championship is still ON.
This season has been incredible. Mostly every GP has had something. So fucking good. McLaren v Ferrari for constructions and Verstappen v Norris v Leclerc for drivers
That was a really good race.
Piastri with a coming out party there, fabulous driving from him today.
Albono in P7 :cool:
Colapinto as well, what a day for Williams that is.
Are you certain about that? Watching the angle from behind, it looks like it's actually Sainz who is veering away from the wall on his right ever so slightly and Perez going parallel to it. That said, Sainz was following Leclerc's line and the usual line down there, plus he did not make any sudden movement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adramelch
Ye I guess I meant the race line.
Russell and hoovering up podiums at the end of races. Name a better duo
Lando and bottling P1 at the first corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waffdon
:(
It’s always funny after all the talk of Piastri helping Norris out it was the latter slowing down Perez to stop the undercut.
Still not sure how Ferrari threw that away. They were miles clear after the first stint
The only way that would've been better (from Lando's perspective) is if Piastri strategically dropped back into 4th, giving Lando an extra 3 points. Can't really do that with constructors on the line, though.
I’m not sure red bull win again this year. Could be a huge points swing next week based off of last year. They were dominant everywhere other than Singapore. You’d assume they’ll be further off it
Silly Norris. I still think Max chipping away at these 5th places will win hin the title. The same way Button did for his title once everyone caught up. Let me go and check buttons finishing positions after his last win for that title
Ferrari pulling the ultimate 1-2 suckerpunch on Perez and then Sainz having a look around the outside and everything going to shit is so on brand Ferrari. Shame it didn't end in a Singapore Scissor for added Lando podium lolz.
Red flag because a lizard is having a walk down the pit lane. :cab:
:D
It was on the track.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
Checo :harold:
Annoyingly it looks like they’ve sorted out the issues Verstappen was having. Wouldn’t be shocked if Norris wins again for Verstappen to stick it in 2nd
Good job on Sainz for destroying the back end of that car at the latest possible time for his team to have to fix it.
Now thats a tasty front of the grid.
Ferrari :facepalm:
Piastri nowhere to be seen which might be a good thing for Norris lol
Verstappen dragging that to 2nd on his worst track. Championship back off
Norris and Verstappen to crash and Hamilton to drive it home. Yes please.
Fair enough. Ben Sulayem is on a power trip, fuck him.
Stroll looks like he might be fucked.
If Verstappen contents himself with a fight for 3rd then it's probably his best possible outcome. More likely he bins it pushing too hard.
He could try and Suzuka 1990 it into T1, but not much point at this stage, and not the best venue for it either.
Hamilton on softs. Wouldn’t be shocked if this happens, especially with Verstappen on the inside. Can see Norris trying to hard to shunt Verstappen to the side and compromising himselfQuote:
Originally Posted by Gray Fox
Lando didn't fuck it!!!!!
Norris nailed that
Does Colapinto have a shot at a seat anywhere next year? Looks very useful.
Visa Cash App RB F1 has a seat, as does Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber.
Albon might not have liked Colapinto's move but I loved it.
They might need the money but would they loan him out to a direct competitior?
Who's lined up for the Williams in 2025 with Albon? Is that Sainz?
Albon is a serial whinger about people daring to race him.
Sainz/Albon next year for Williams, which you have to say is a decent lineup, but Colapinto definitely looks worth a place in the sport.
Agreed - think that’s why he wanted Sergeant to stay so badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
Norris looks miles clear here. Hopefully not cooking his tyres
I would bin either of them for Colapinto, but contracts are a bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
We need a safety car soon in this one.
Not exactly the biggest sample size as yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepe
Looks like a boring race about tires.
"Although it's a dubious accolade to hold, the Marina Bay Street Circuit is the only track F1 visits to boast a 100% Safety Car appearance rate in its 14 years of running. With 24 Safety Cars in those races, that's an average of 1.71 per race!"
Singapore is the race for a SC.
Vettel in the blown floor Red Bull used to absolutely blow everyone away at this circuit, and looks like Norris is doing the same.
Even second looks done here unless there’s a safety car on Piastri has been saving a load on this stint
Come on Lance. Put it in the wall for us.
Norris not far from a stop and coming back out 1st.
Don’t you dareQuote:
Originally Posted by Gray Fox
Norris is going to absolutely dominate another race just for him to take a maximum 8 points off Verstappen :lol:
They've hung Piastri out to dry here.
They are way too obsessed with covering off hypothetical safety cars.
Guarantee they sacrifice Perez late on to take away the fastest lap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waffdon
Don't think Checo will have enough gap to P11 to pull that one.
We were due a crushingly dull race I suppose.
Would Piastri's fresh rubber last enough to claw the gap back to Max?
I think Lando needs to take 9 points each race to overcome Verstappen's championship lead.
Something has to happen, I was hoping Piastri would be reeling in Verstappen more by now.
Based off of this and Zandvoort, Norris on higher downforce tracks is looking in a league of his own
Absolutely nothing has happened.
Such a stinker of a race, especially as we've had some good races lately.
God, I hate sister teams.
They were always going to bin someone off to do it. Horner is that petty.
Making far too much of it. There's far too much happens that we're going to have Norris 1 and Verstappen 2 for every race left in the season.
I'd say a lot of it was also down to it being Ricciardos last ever F1 lap too.
It will be decided on the times that one of them has a shitter, not on the fastest laps in 1-2s.
I think it's already too late. Max is not a bad enough driver to be finishing down in 7th or something, by anything more than a fluke.
You'd be thinking a DNF for someone more than something like a 7th.
At the bare minimum, they need McLaren 1-2's with Lando taking the wins.
Problem for Lando fans is your top teams are remarkably reliable in terms of mechanical failures.
Danny Ric officially shown the door with Lawson coming in.
He'll always have that fastest lap.
Lawson straight in with a 10 grid place penalty for an engine swap.
There are rumours that Checo will announce his retirement at Mexico.
I dont want to see Danny Ric in that seat.
The schedule for the second half of this season is utterly bizarre. 4 week summer break, double header, 2 week break, double header, 4 week break, triple header, 3 week break, triple header
Alpine dressing up as McLaren for an early Halloween.
The game's not even out for two months. :D
Fastest lap point gone from 2025. Seems an odd move. I would have opened it up to all cars instead.
They should give points for more things instead: most overtakes, best overtake, driver of the day, slowest lap time, fastest pit stop, less fuel used, best livery, etc.
It only really works in a sort of 1950s context where nobody has any information and everyone is just racing to the best of their ability, rather than trying to screw over their opponents in increasingly Dick Dastardly fashion, as has become more and more the case since the 1994 inflection point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray Fox
I'd sooner see a point for topping each of Q1, Q2 and Q3, but a single driver can only take 1 point maximum from qualifying. So it's possible that two of the points will go unawarded if the same driver tops all three sessions.
Doesn't Formula E have some sort of lol shit were fans can choose which driver to give a power up to? They should do that. Whoever gets more likes on Tiktok gets +50 hp for ten seconds.
Lando just isn't beating Max.
Yeah, Ferrari and Merc being competitive as well here being a bit of a hindrance this time around. If he wins the Sprint the Championship is basically sealed shut (not that it was ever in doubt)
Verstappen is incredible
Yeah I really like Lando and all but he's just not at the same level, yet at least.
Why are they doing a sprint here? Aren't they just going to DRS train down the long straight and just follow each other for the duration? Prepared to be wrong.
Because Americans pay four figures to attend a sprint race.
Of course.
Fred Vasseur always makes me double take. He looks like Jean Todt has bred with Ron Dennis. Now there's a pleasant thought.
I always forget what a fucking awful circuit this is, with its 60m wide corners and stupid cambers.
One of those tracks where trying 'greatest hits of corners' simply doesn't work.
ffs Lando.
Poor under pressure again, reminds me a lot of Felipe Massa. He's not at champion level at the moment.
I need a look at that Leclerc attempted move again, looked absolutely ludicrous on first viewing. EDIT: Nope, just Lando being shite for the second time in the lap.
Can they change the set up for the race tomorrow or are they stuck with their set ups now?
McLaren usually always look better the longer a stint goes on in races but they didn’t look great at all there. Will be Ferrari challenging Verstappen based off of that
Love that drive from Sainz. No fucks given. Max inevitable.
Well they have to qualify first so presumably they can.
Sainz isn't the quickest guy out there but he's the one that comes closest to being a proper grand prix driver from days of yore, rather than just yet another guy who can hook up a lap on a fast setup. I imagine he will age very well, hope he can find a half decent car somewhere in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray Fox
He's one of the few that seems to genuinely have his head screwed on when it comes to racecraft.
Very much the case. I think he needs the near miss to build character and come back better for it. We know how it went for Massa from the moment the engineer stopped his dad celebrating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
He's OK on that level because he doesn't have the ridiculous up-and-down Latin temperament that Massa had, but he seems to just crap himself in the big moments. I also can't get over the way he talks, it's getting stranger and stranger. No normal person has ever talked like that.
Loads of people in dual nationality houses speak weird
Looks like that Merc isn't too happy around here after all.
Hamilton*
P19 is a splendid effort, back there with Luca Badoer and Tarso Marques.
Verstappen is going to piss this at arm's length, no one can touch him in turns 3-5.
Looks like that Merc isn't too happy around here after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waffdon
You’re comparing him to someone who finished p18 ffsQuote:
Originally Posted by Gray Fox
I’m not sure Norris being on pole is that great here. He’s definitely going to try close Verstappen off and being swarmed by both Ferrari’s
It seems very sensitive to track conditions unlike the other cars at the front. That could be both of them from the pit lane.
Max was on some mega lap there too. Was taking pole quite easily. Doesn't bode well for tomorrow unless McLaren managed to tweak towards race pace.
Did he get his sector 2 in before the double yellows? He was up by 0.060 after they both done their sector 1’s in the last run but he was up by more in the first runs so not sure he was nailed on to get pole. He probably would have though because it’s Max Verstappen.
Even if Norris wins tomorrow you just know who is finishing behind him in second place yet again making it another weekend of a wasted victory.
Yep. This will be Landos problem. He needs the Red Bull down in like 6th or 7th to be making meaningful progress. Max is pretty much default top 3 at any track right now. He's just too good.
Every single time he wasn’t in top 3 neither was Norris. They’re always together.
He doesn’t even need to be in 7/8th. If Norris was to win tomorrow and Verstappen was back in even 4th it would make a fair difference
I think realistically Norris needs a DNF from Verstappen at some point to have a chance of winning.
An actually good national anthem rendition on a grid, I'm stunned, let's hope this bodes well for the grand prix.
They probably should have had some sort of shaded area for the drivers to stand in rather than having them all mooching about under massive brollies.
Need Sainz to do his best mate a favour here off the start line
Lando :face:
It’s getting worse and worse. He got away perfectly. Not even sure how he’s managed to throw that away. What a joker
Why do they have even have Crofty if he's not going to watch the race on lap one.
I think Lando thought the track was 1000m wide there instead of 1200m.
Pretty much an impossible job to defend against Verstappen torpedoing up the inside when he knows any contact is your problem not his.
He played it perfectly on the inside yesterday, not sure why he didn’t do it again. Let far too much room.Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
lol at Hamilton
Shades of late career Damon Hill from LH there. Wonder if he'll last the season Rene Arnoux-ing the Ferrari around.
Leclerc is flying around here. Should easily win this without any shenanigans
Pretty soon it'll be the Leclerc title challenge instead.
I always thought being 2nd on the grid is favourable at COTA. Verstappen is wise enough to cut across to the inside immediately whenever he’s on pole but nobody else really does it.
This race always turns into a joke with the track limit rules. PUT SOME GRASS IN
Am I too cynical thinking Lawson's strategy was mostly about being in position to nab the fastest lap?
Either way it's made Tsunoda absolutely lose his head.
Somebody give this Colapinto a seat, F1 needs a hard nosed Argie bastard, we don't need Stroll or Perez or any of these mooks.
Tsunoda is a clown. It'll be pretty sad if Colapinto ends up without a drive or in the Sauber.
This battle between Max and Lando has been great.
Max forced him off!
Verstappen is such a twat.
This is fucking sensational. Both of them dirty as hell, especially Verstappen.
Unfortunately Verstappen has been allowed to use inside line run them off the track tactic for years unchallenged by the stewards.
Norris. :face:
McLaren need to tell Piastri to back it up a bit.
It's basically impossible to pass him legally.Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
Bullshit.
What replay were landos engineers watching? Threw him under the bus.
Lmao.
Genuinely think Leclerc ends up 2nd in the drivers
He clearly wasn't ahead at the apex so they shouldn't have told him that but I still think what Max did shouldn't be legal.
I don't know why Norris hung it out so wide on the entry? He was basically past Verstappen on the straight, should have Schumacher chopped him.
It was a brilliant ten laps though. The best I've seen all year. Shame they all end in squabbling about minutiae of shit rules these days.
Pretty slam dunk penalty for Norris but they never replayed the dodgy move by Verstappen half way down the straight.
The penny needs to drop for Lando like it did for Lewis.
You cannot tiptoe around him, best Belgian mates or not. He will take it from you. You need to do it back when you can.
I mean this is the first time in ages he’s actually struggled to get past him since that crash. He has gone past him with ease every time since
That's because he had a car that could win by 20 seconds then. As shown that won't always be the case.
Lawson not done his chances any harm when it comes to replacing not-so-speedy gonzalez. P3 in Q1, got into a war of words with Nernando Nanonso, got put on some cheating strategy, aced it, scored points and made Tsunoda bin it at turn one having started the weekend by going out and giving him tows in a failed bid to drag him into Q3. 10/10 weekend, give him the drive.
Glass shards right at the edge of the track. Or walls with spikes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
Colapinto and Lawson better get a drive. Better than half the field.
If Max is on the inside, he will use his car and force you off on the outside. If both cars end up over the white lines. The guy on the inside should get a penalty.Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
The application of the rules vis a vis Verstappen running people off the road, allied to Abu Dhabi '21, makes you wonder whether the stewards are shit scared of Horner for some reason. It's almost like it used to be in the Max 'n' Bernie era where they would give Ferrari every decision because doing so was deemed good for the spectacle.
You'd think the FIA would be itching to give Verstappen a penalty after his little power play in Singapore. Having said that, you can't help but admire his ability to make a pass on him almost impossible (huge car performance gap notwithstanding).
Anyone else on the grid, Hamilton and Alonso included, would have been taken by Norris.
I think it's more they don't want to piss off the golden boy.
Norris should have just gone round the outside of him off track 5 laps earlier and scampered off.
Which in itself is a pathetic rule/penalty.
Even MotoGP got their shit together better than this with regards to off track excursions and those guys are at risk of serious injury by venturing into non-tarmac territory rather than just a dirty tyre.
Lando really gave him the space in T1. Park it on the inside and the bomb fail.
A lot of the bullshit is down to the rubbish track design, which in turn is down to the rubbish cars, requiring a long straight, endless braking zone and SWITCHBACK double hairpin to have any chance of overtaking. Then everyone tells themselves it's GREAT RACING rather than a load of complete baloney.
Just go back to 2006-08 spec cars in terms of size, weight, etc, but bring with it all the hybrid/electrical stuff, reintroduce refuelling, race on proper tracks, reintroduce jeopardy in terms of grass, gravel, etc. Make them work for their gazillions.
Looking at the list of grand prix winners. leclerc is now up to 8, the same as dani ric and one behind mark webber in terms of winners without titles. The brazilians of massa and rubens got 11 and coulthard is top with 13 for the drivers who raced since 1998.
Stirling Moss still top of that list with 16 wins in 66 races is one of the weirdest sporting stats (DC got his from 246 races).
16 in 66 with no title is nuts.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1...s/cp359d20zyyo
That's the spirit lad.
God I hope the Ferrari's decent next year, or that the Red Bull is shit, we need a title fight.
It'll probably turn out that Red Bull completely pulled development on this year's car after bossing the opening bit of the season.
I mean, he’s always like that. He beats himself up in every interview during a weekend even if he’s won or got P1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
And I’m not sure Ferrari will be much better. Leclerc has lost from pole as much as anyone in the history of F1
I do like how the pendulum has swung on best car often this season. Early Red Bull powerplay with the odd "this track doesn't work for me, brother." Then into some post Spain, Mercedes resurgence and Ferrari showing up with a killer upgrade for a race or two at a time. We might have even got a three way fight on the podium in Texas, had the silver cars not been so keen to inspect the gravel work.
Really do hope Ferrari can get their shit together for next year with that lineup. Not a gambler but I would love to be putting money on a rejuvinated Hamilton.
One has to say that since they punted that ridiculous Italian and replaced him with a shrewd Frenchman, things have been looking up for them, not for the first time in history. Give me 4 quick cars but Max's car half a second down next year so that he has to shred the fuck out of it to reach the front. We all deserve it for putting up with 15 odd dominant walkovers in a row.
If you’re praising a Frenchman then I probably need to wake up for work now.
Everyone has his role in life. Sorting out a bunch of over-emotional Italians as they pursue collective glory is a good role for a squat Frenchman. As for a strutting short arse Italian, well, maybe history tells us that they'd do better in charge at Alpine.
Russell making a habit of finding that barrier with his car. Max has also been having something funny sounding in his engine. They tried to palm it off but hes now out of the session. That could well be a grid penalty coming his way.
Williams are going to be such a likeable/supportable team next year with Sainz and Albon. Hopefully they can keep making progress and then have a good leap to the 2026 rules.
They need to bin Albon off for the Argie who is far more likable. Albon has come across as a twat since he came in (I don’t think he can handle the pressure of a teammate doing as good or better as him)
Colapinto to RB when they sack Perez would make sense.
I do like Colapinto. Seems like he has his head screwed on. Reminds me a bit of Piastri in that respect. And Albon did come across as a prick after his incident y'day, not sure Bearman was in any way at fault...
Yeah, but that's just the way of the modern driver, they are conditioned to instantly and vocally blame anyone and everyone else as soon as they feel something hasn't gone in the absolutely most advantageous way possible for them.
What time is quali? 10pm?
Aye, 10pm. I do cut Albon some slack. When he's on track, he's a reliable pair of hands. I don't think you gain much (if anything) by switching to Colapinto. Well, there's the obvious potential to sell him on but performances might wind up in line with Albons.
I remember Osama Bin Russell obliterating both himself and Bottas at Imola and immediately calling Bottas the dickhead and going over to slap his helmet. Its never their fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
Williams are probably kicking themselves a little. Fandango Cappuccino has looked it since he came in. He's deserving of a seat next year and as far as I can see, it's either Sauber or the hope of a Red Bull shuffle and to fit in somewhere. Biggest problem with the latter is I dont think you get him back if he goes there.
I see they're testing Yuki in the big boy car again at the end of the year. More and more signs that Perez is being punted. FWIW I reckon you see Perez retire, Yuki moves up and they bring in Cappuccino along side Lawson at Cash App.
I don't see Red Bull doing anything other than promoting one of their own. Colapinto probably goes to Mercedes if something goes wonky with Antonelli.
Mark Hughes had an interesting article up the other day about how F2 is increasingly useless as a barometer due to all the cost-cutting done in it and the randomness of the results. Colapinto and Bearman both done nothing in that series but are clearly shit hot.
I know he's been taking jobs lower down on the ladder but thats an interesting career change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
Checo out in Q1 please.
Antonelli not doing much either. No idea how he'll be in F1 ofc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
F2 is also in a weird flux because they changed chassis for this season and loads of teams didn't get their heads round it, notably Prema who are usually one of the big guns.
:drool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Andy Mahowry
Piastri and McLaren have shat it there rather.
Oof. Time's up, Checo.
Piastri has been pretty average since the summer break aside from his win.
Excellent drama already. If Checo isn't retiring he really needs punting now.
I'd sack him now and only run Max in the race, why waste the fuel and mechanics' energy.
Piastri was woeful on all 3 runs. Embarrassingly slow when Lando was that quick at the top.
What more can be said on Checo... He's just not got it.
Piastri looked like he was understeering and struggling to get it pointing straight on the exits, not sure why that would be.
Sector 3 here is one of the worst bits of racetrack in the history of F1, up there with the old 'Singapore Sling' complex and some of the mid 90s chicane crimes.
I maintain this is the worst track on the calendar. Sector 3 is just a hastily conceived shit stadium section just so the star-struck Mexicans can view their hero pootling around at the back behind the Sauber and VCARBs.
Let's not forget the second slow corner complex with a ridiculous chicane into double-apex hairpin, before opening out to the "Eses", where these boats cannot follow within a second.
Definitely getting Zandvoort and Singapore vibes here where Norris will pretty much dominate everyone in the race and Verstappen lols up in 2nd and basically no dent happens again
Haas have been quality this year. More q3 appearances here
Presumably the venue will die when Perez is done in. Maybe we can go back to Buenos Aires at last if Colapinto makes it.
That's why Tsunoda will never get a top drive, too many unforced errors. Can't rely on him.
Maybe not then. Might cancel that test at this rate too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray Fox
It's just a hot Zandvoort this. Both shit obviously.
That’s a corker of a lap from Sainz. I’m not sure anyone beats that.
Norris really needs to capitalise here, so obviously he chucked in a stinker.
Tsunoda not only costing both RBs a Q3 place but also costing Max a free tow, as the Ferraris received on demand from Haas. Such a costly error.
Norris really only needs P3. Front row is definitely a worse place to be, what with the ridiculously long run down to T1.
That'll be Max P3 or 4 then.
Woof, that lap was nuts from Sainz.
Meh. Lando doesn't want to start ahead of Verstappen anyway. He'd only lose it on the first lap.
Carlos motherfucking Sainz.
Yeah, p3 behind Verstappen isn’t exactly a terrible start at this track.
Sainz loves a random weekend of looking great before falling behind Leclerc in the pecking order
Maybe this second row better theory explains Leclerc turning into Sakon Yamamoto in the final three corners.
Zandvoort is a great track, but a shit F1 track. This version of Mexico is just ass. The stadium ruined the track, really. Should go back to the sixties layout or just nuke it and build a giant oval.
Has there ever been a fall from grace as bad as the one Perez is having? He went from solid Sainz-like driver to completely inadequate in the span of a season.
Its been since Baku last year really. We were having the very conversation of should he be replaced at the end of last season. The answer seemed to be as long as the constructors is in the bag, there's no need.
Well Red Bull have gone from Max being able to win it all by himself, to now being lucky if they finish in the top two. I think that will prompt the change, if it's not already been decided.
I do not mean this season. First few races last season, he was good. Then about halfway he became atrocious.
He definitely isn't driving the same car as Verstappen, but he's also just gone over the hill I think. I would have had him older than 34. He's been trundling around since 2011.
Drivers just hang around for way too long these days and they start so early. Lance Stroll is only 25.
He's always been wank but the car was so far ahead of everyone else that it hid his shitness.
He hasn't always been wank. He wouldn't have played his way into the Red Bull/Mercedes seats if he was wank. He has a level, like a Fisichella or Trulli where they don't quite sustain it at the top.
I haven't discounted the possibility that he's still sort of doing an OK job, the car is a dog and Verstappen is performing miracles every week. That might account for Red Bull's unwillingness to get rid of him, if they think or know that to be the case.
Doesn't he bring in MAD sponsorship money?
As we as significant merchandise sales as well I think.
Nah, he was doing alright in that Force India. He also finished second in the WDC, didn't he?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Andy Mahowry
How does that work? Are you suggesting he has a worse car? Surely building a good car and a bad car is as expensive as building two good cars (assuming you know what makes a good car, of course), unless Perez has an underbody made of cardboard or something. Or do you mean that each car is meant to please each specific driver? If that were the case, surely Perez should be doing better than if they were on identical cars, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
I thought that for a time, but it really has gotten too bad. No way the car is worse than the French cars, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
I think the car is right on that edge of performance. This is how Max likes it because he is masterful at controlling it and dominating with it. Perez I do not think has that ability.
Perez shone in those times he had a stable car and could treat those tyres to 10 laps longer than others, to make that 1 stopper work. A lot of his best drives are those. If I remember right it was his kind of calm keep out of trouble race, that got him the win in the Tracing Point and ultimately the RB seat to begin with.
The problem for Red Bull is that while Max will excel in such a car, he’s a freak of nature and pretty much everyone else will fail. Lots of drivers fell by the wayside before Perez and really he only had that good spell because it was during the time their DRS was insanely overpowered. Once other teams figured it out, Perez basically ended up looking like every other number 2 they’ve had since Ricciardo left.
Albon said Max likes the car setup with maximum sensitivity. Think about increasing your mouse pointer to max on CS Go or putting the thumb sticks on 20 while playing COD on PS5
Verstappen is just so good. At everything. Was never in doubt he’d be in first at the end of the straight
Perez. :D
Genuinely looks like he doesn't belong in the sport.
:lol:
Worst imaginable start.
Any sort of first corner with a 'bail out' is just the worst.
"Nope, it was a great start."
:D
5 second penalty for a false start makes me think that anyone at the sharp end would be better off just doing that rather than sitting in filthy air for the first stint, as Brundle has just pointed out.
Yeah that’s a ridiculous penalty. I’d just be scything up the inside on the fourth red, then taking the hit. Granted it’ll only happen once before they close the loophole but that’s a pretty fucking massive one.
wtf is that Ferrari on the straight. Rocket fuel
That got spicy real fast.
The penny is beginning to drop for Lando.
He is not your best mate when he's in the car.
:D
Verstappen is a maniac.
That second one especially was outrageous.
Verstappen doing what he needs to do there clearly
If this isn’t a penalty for Verstappen then they’re 100% scared of Horner.
So big brain move for Norris is to not accept the place back then?
Shades of Schumacher black flag territory really. Something needs to be done.
He gets done for track limits as well?
:lol:
Surely track limits gets removed if they person forcing you off gets a penalty?
The second incident is mental
I wouldn’t be shocked if Verstappen tries to just end Norris’ race now
Max is making the message clear. You Lando, are not getting by, no matter what.
Yeah, just wait for the pit stop. He will take him off.
Oh boy. :D
Heads have gone across the grid.
Sergio about to get told to bin it and bring out the safety car. Or one of the minions.
Yeah from one side or the other, there's going to be some safety car shenanigans here.
Not sure if he even has to be told to be honest, he's doing his best already.Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
Can't watch but Maxipad getting two penalties :drool:
No one wants to hear the Russell reaction, give me the Lewis reaction.
Lando finishing 3rd will still do nothing to the championship. He could do with just pushing the the throttle and getting past Verstappen otherwise he won’t have a chance at the Ferraris
Ocon being behind the two Saubers is an effort. He’s completely thrown the towel in with this outfit.
I am not sure after this and last race he'll be the most confident in getting past Verstappen though.
Here we go, crash time.
Realistically Norris just isn't winning the championship, so I wonder if it's time for McLaren to start planning their strat around not losing the Constructors' to Ferrari.
I mean Verstappen is going to get p7 here at a minimum so I’m not even sure this penalty was the end of the world. His work was done when he made Leclerc get ahead of Norris and put Sainz miles clear
Scrap that he’s probably finishing ahead of Hamilton as well here
The play for Norris should be trying to get Verstappen a race ban on his license.
Watch the Mercs take each other out now Ferrari style.
Verstappen's tyres are fucked but I guess he's just planning to hold 6th/7th.
I’d be 2 stopping if I were McLaren here. They have a free stop at this point, nothing to lose
They'll go for the fastest lap stop and lose a tyre or something.
I see Lawson's been to the Max Verstappen school of leaving space on the outside.
How slow is Piastri compared to Norris? The bloke has much fresher tyres and Norris is still pumping in fastest laps
Based off of the hard tyre runs, Norris probably wins that at a canter if he’s not forced off the track and put miles behind the Ferraris
All said and done though, you'd argue Verstappen ends up 3rd without the penalties, so the gap would have been the same.
I dunno, that car looked shite on the hards after about 10 laps.
Norris is too much media training. Bleurgh.
:cool:
What a fucking don.
Schumacher was given a 2-race ban in 1994 for a lot less than what Max has been up to.
5 seconds for jumping the start, give me strength. Should be a stop-go.
Current rules and enforcement of said rules in F1 is comically bad. I am sure any local indoor karting facility has better rules.
The mantra seems to be punish every little transgression, but give ridiculously light punishments for everything. Just encourages them all to act like whiny little boys.
Verstappen is dirty as hell and knows what he's doing. Senna was dirty but sparingly. Schumacher (M) was similar to Max. The thing these three share is a complete and unshakeable belief in their own untouchability. I think Senna's was a religious belief, with the others it's just incredible levels of arrogance. You go through all the other greats from Fangio to Clark, Stewart, Lauda, Prost and even to Alonso, Vettel and Hamilton and all of these had notable occasions when they stepped back and stepped off and compromised for the safety of others and general sense of the sport. With the above three there was/is no compromise. It's something that will catch up with Max at some point. It caught up with the others.
Yeah, jump starts typically get a drive through, don't they?
I know that stop-go and drive through are still on the hypothetical sanctions list but I have no idea when the last one was actually given. Years ago, probably. Everything is 5 seconds apparently. Max will have known this and deliberately jumped the start because it's worth it not to end up in 4th behind faster cars where the field spread alone will do you 5 seconds in a few laps anyway.
Jump starts used to be stop-go in the good old days.
The simple equation for Max right now is easy.
I will win, or we will not finish. Your choice.
Late 90's/early 00's Schumacher is indeed a good comparison. Unlike Senna where it all felt very based on emotion, with those two it feels very calculated after looking at how the rule book works.
Now if the two drivers were swapped in position, it would likely all be different.
I don't even think Verstappen has to be this fighty. He's still got the points advantage and Ferrari will eat into Norris more than him.
47 point swing in 4 races is way too much unfortunately. The spiciness came too late. Or rather it came at the right time but Norris didn't capitalise enough leading up to this. The deficit was 8 points per race not long back, now it's 12.
Lawson though. :cool:
Perez was an absolute cunt diving into whatever corner it was when there was clearly no space, so deserved every middle finger in the book. Spanish-speaking F1 twitter taking it with all their usual cool-headed grace I see.
It'll be tremendous when Lawson takes his seat too.
Annoyingly Verstappen's 2 penalty points expire in Vegas. A race ban looks out of the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
Watching the footage onboard Max is madness. His intent is too hang you out to dry, every time. He nearly crashed into the back of Sainz twice trying to defend from Lando.
https://x.com/Magic14Nano/status/1850657248592134523?t=HH_5R_MCWp5ycAz-Xuqhcw&s=19
– Christian HornerQuote:
It used to be a reward of the bravest to go around the outside. I think we're in danger of flipping the overtaking laws upside down, where drivers will just try to get their nose ahead at the apex, then claim that they have to be given room on the exit.
:D
If you can get ahead at the apex on the outside and then make the corner within track limits, then you absolutely should be given room on the exit. It would be absolute insanity if it were otherwise.
Even if you are only side by side, you should be given room. This is only a discussion because of stupid rules and modern track design.
My big brain solution after about a minute of thought:
Cars should be remotely capped at 20% throttle every time they are outside of the track limits.
Or just go back to tracks that bite. Artificially dampened astro beyond all curbs, quickly followed by gravel and then a lava pit.
I'm a big fan of gravel/grass immediately outside the kerbs but it does nothing for those who just leave their steering wheel open and gently direct their opponent into said trap if they dare try an overtake. A 10 second penalty sounds pretty great if my rival is beached.
The FIA need to get their shit together pronto with the penalty system. Bring back stop and go penalties.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jMIULxyT4w
I hope they got a proper bastard to play Piquet.
There's already a film called Senna. At least call it Ayrton.
One of the more interesting things about him (I find the driver a lot more compelling than the man) was that his family shut his girlfriend/fiancee out of the funeral in favour of someone they had deemed more suitable. Catholic weirdos r us.
I often wonder how he'd be perceived if he didn't die at Imola. He gets mythologised so much that it's exhausting. Jim Clark is revered but not in the same bizarre way.
Didn't he travel around with some sort of witch?
That new netflix thing looks pretty trash. The car scenes look like some late 90's CGI.
5 grid place penalty for Verstappen this weekend for taking a new ICE.
Not sure it will make a difference at a wet Interlagos. Top 6 at best again.
I’ve seen he might need more components and it’s a back of the grid job if so.
Last chance for Norris. He’s got to win and hope Verstappen can’t crack the top 6. Unlikely.
Can't wait for him to park it on the left going down the main straight every time and then hold position until pushing the person off at the exit of Subida do Lago. Hopefully someone Schumachers him into the pit wall.
Isn't there a sprint at this one? Lando needs to max that out as well.
Magnussen has the shits so Bearman is in for the weekend.
Mercedes will both retire I think unless something changes dramatically, they seem to be rattling their drivers to pieces. Was the same in Austin as I recall.
Say it every year but god I fucking love this track. Best on the calendar bar fucking none.
If the F1 calendar was just 20 races in Interlagos, I would not complain.
British GP should be at Brands Hatch. Bring back Jerez, go to Laguna Seca, go to Portimao. Diddy little places with massive elevation change. The gold standard. Who gives a fuck about facilities.
I worry this trend of racing based on location of the track and not quality of the track will see the end of Interlagos at some point. Until then I'll enjoy it.
I would take all of those. If we can do Watkins Glen or Road Atlanta instead of Laguna Seca, even better.
It's in big-ass Sao Paulo, so I hope its safe. Don't scare us like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray Fox
They've tried hard to get rid of Interlagos because of all the traffic and robberies, but Rio could never get its shit together so here we still are.
God knows how Hungary have managed to stay on the calendar for 40 years, but props to them as well. I love anywhere with a non-glossy finish. Road Atlanta would be a good one actually. Qatar and Abu Dhabi coming up :sick:
Thinking of it, the three F1 races in the US are an absolute disgrace.
It's not the glitz and glam that Liberty covets though. Miami, Madrid, Qatar, Vegas, Abu Dhabi and you could probably rope Monaco in here if it didnt have the prestige. All quite bad tracks for racing these cars, but a lot of money changed hands so we move.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepe
I think Las Vegas might be the least objectionable of the three, which says a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepe
O'Norris looking racey here. If he gets a few points off Max in the sprint it could liven things up a bit.
Perez the gift that keeps on giving.
Surely he's been spiked there in some way.
Oh, it was him trying to block Lawson. lol.
Fully donned by a child, in single figures for starts, in a comparative tractor.
Not sure why they didn't tell Bearman to instantly abort the lap and recharge some battery for a new one.
Checo has a lot of bloopers this year but that one is right up there.
Presumably through biblical amounts of corruption, which also sees Interlagos safe as houses, the shiny new money's good and all, but nothing trumps the envelope [or coal sack] slipped under the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
3/1 for Piastri in the sprint is quite tasty. I don’t think team orders will come into play at all over the sake of a point
I'm fairly sure if they're 1-2 with a lap to go and clear of third then they'll swap. Key is for Lando to get away well.
Strange to hear Hamilton saying he's not really bothered about where he qualified. I guess he had to check out at some point.
I hope Ferrari give him a good car for the new year though. They've somehow got my two favourite drivers into the team I like the least so it should be something to behold.
"You'll need Oscar later"
Someone should have told Piastri, lol. Lad doesn't give a shit.
Max absolutely divebombed the start, was quite lucky to get away with it.
They've fucked this again.
Lando should try driving faster.
No need to swap yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shindig
Disagree. If they were more bothered about Norris winning than the 1-2, then Piastri lets him by on lap 1, turn 4 and he scampers off while Piastri plays roadblock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Andy Mahowry
But it looks like Piastri has way more pace than Norris anyway so he needs to stop crying on the radio and get his foot down. Leclerc and Verstappen wouldn't be this close if Piastri was the sole reason for Norris' pace.
They're managing the DRS, if they let Lando through early they'd lose constructors' points without DRS to those behind.
Lando had a couple of very poor sector 2s which exposed him a couple of times but got away with it.
Yeah exactly. I think McLaren realise Norris winning the championship is such a long shot that they're entirely focused on the 1-2.
They've managed nowt. :D
The Ferrari suddenly becoming a Fiat Punto has livened the weekend up a bit.
Piastri is simply the faster driver here, I wouldn't even be interested in switching them if I were Zak Brown.
Shocked they haven't swapped. Last lap switch won't be possible when Verstappen goes past Norriss shortly. McLaren screwed him again.
Think you're all overestimating how important the drivers' title is to them.
Finally some good strategy pulling off the switch before a potential safety car.
They dun fucked it up. Why didn't they swap when Verstappen was 2 seconds away?
Edit: Never mind I guess. :D
Lawson was dangerous as fuck with Perez into T1, he should get a grid penalty for that. Seems hot-headed for a kiwi.
Max almost had him there.
Jesus.
Conspiracy theorists coming out the woodwork here saying they held off the green flag long enough so Max couldn't dive up the inside there. :D
Coulthard suggested that he could have made the pass but the green flags might not have been up yet so he had to back out.
I like him. Too many fannies in the sport these days and he just steams in and picks a feud with Perez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
It shouldn't have been a VSC in the first place, elf and safety gorn mad.
Was gonna say Max must have been right on the ragged edge of whatever the VSC rules are, pulling alongside Piastri.
PUNISH HIM.
Mon the stewards.
I was hoping max would catch both papaya's slippin at the restart.
He's under investigation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Andy Mahowry
5 second penalty for Max :drool:
Drops to 4th.
It's being manipulated. :cool:
Five second penalties are so weak.
The rain at Interlagos however, is not. Qualy delayed.
It’s only a bit of rain ffs
Will be interesting to see which of the young pups can handle these conditions and to what extent Hamilton and Alonso cruise to the front as has historically happened.
It’s rained plenty over the past few years and neither have done anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
Is the McLaren still mega in the wet or was that a last year thing?
Red Bull now getting shirty about other teams maybe sneaking water into their tyres.
Quali isn't happening clearly.
Apparently if they can't do a session the race order is set by championship order.
Do they not just qualify in the morning tomorrow?
I think the weather forecast is for this again tomorrow.
If they can, they will.
Yeah, but at that point, save for a Spa style farce they're just going to end up binning the entire weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray Fox
In these circumstances they should make the drivers do a lap of the circuit on foot and that decides the grid.
Or order it by least to most Dutch.
Or they might use sprint quali...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Andy Mahowry
They’re rapid when it’s wet but drying off with the racing line. Or certainly were in a race this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
Pretty sure the weather is meant to be worse tomorrow. Max will be laughing.
(Unless they can do it another day but I presume that’s not a thing)
Maybe they should just design cars/tyres that can run in the wet.
Good on Lewis giving Stefano some shit.
The word is Ferrari set their car up for wet running, which explains them cooking their tyres in the sprint.
Could well be on for a Spa washout here though.
Raining all week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waffdon
Pack of fannies. What’s the point in wet tyres if the rules mandate they have to build cruise liner size cars so it’s unsafe anytime we get a good shower?
There isn't. The entire rules are in hoc to the stupid bogus engine tech.
BTCC going to biofuel from next year.
Too dangerous to sensibly contemplate was the strap line for F1 for the best part of 50 years.
7.30am local time start tomorrow for quali. Poor drivers
That probably means the mechanics get 2 hours sleep.
'Sensible' is things like not eating food after the best before date and making sure your pipes don't freeze in winter, not formula one racing.Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
It's still raining.
Hulk free money.
This is quality stuff. Yellow flags, red flags, cars not even visible to the cameras, Yuki on provisional pole if it rains much harder.
Both Mercs in big trouble here.
George really could have fucked up Albon there.
The visible drains are the same ones i find outside my house.
Also nore gravel traps and stuff please. All this tarmac run off areas gives drivers get out of jail, free cards.
Can see Norris getting fucked here.
I thought he was fucked.
By the skin of his teethQuote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
That hamilton car looked awful onboard. It wouldn't turn in the slow speed corners.
Hamilton was all over the show in sector 2, think he's completely given up.
What was he doing? I literally only seen him complete 1 lap at the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by SincereTheRebel
Williams and Toro Rosso looking rapid in the wet
This looks like a proper lottery and I can't see the race going further than half points.
That doesn't look good for Sainz.
He could be out of the race.
Not sure Ferrari can rebuild that rear end before the race can they? Bring back the t-car.
Norris is usually good in the wet but he’s looking very mid here. Sainz being out should help him through to Q3 at least
Actually he might be as good as gone here if it’s about to rain again. Useless
Lance Stroll is a fucking hero.
What a legend, Lance Stroll.
Some blood vessels bursting from Utrecht to Middelburg right now. Took forever to drop the red flag.
Championship blown WIDE open.
God speed Lance Stroll
Verstappen is going to be fuming. :D
Jos joins the long tradition of drivers' fathers visibly seething in the Interlagos paddock.
Sainz, Hamilton and Verstappen all trying to come through the field in the rain could be fun
Stroll :cool:
Norris to fluff his lines now and qualify 10th.
That’s not possible because stroll is in t10 lolQuote:
Originally Posted by John Arne
Bookies going down Jimmy’s train of thought with Alonso 3rd fav
Opportunity for a virtuoso performance from Verstappen which could be a great watch. Also could be good seeing some of the 'others' near the front.
Perez right to seethe imo, Red Bull fucked it.
Especially the latter who really has the bravery to torpedo his way up T1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waffdon
Max's tears :drool:
Tsunoda pole
Did anyone actually get ahead of Verstappen between Stroll hitting the wall and the red flag coming down? I can't remember.
Nope and his lap was yellow flagged so he wasn't going to improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
Is anyone going to actually start the race? Going to be like Indy '05 at this rate.
This is starting to look written in the stars for Norris. Weather couldn't have been any more good to him today.
Full on rain now would be terrific
In these conditions they should let them do one hot lap each and call it a day.
The race won't get a standing start. One rule I'd change is to wind the clock back to when the red-flagged accident happened, rather than the drop of the flag.
Max moving up the grid if all these cars can't make it in time.
This has been phenomenally chaotic.
About time these drivers got put to work.
This is complete chaos and I think you could easily get to the podium from 14th on the grid if you drove well throughout and a couple of things went in your favour.
Feels a lot like 2003 when Fisichella ended up being given the win about a week later.
Sochi heartbreak all over again incoming later today in the race I reckon
Bloody hell, that looks like a plane crash.
Oh shit.
Albon is fucked for the race.
These drivers are all shit.
Great show.
Verstappen is going to start near enough in the top 10 at this rate :D
He touched the white line, the idiot.
That will take some rebuilding.
Do you move up grid slots with DNSs or do you leave the slots empty?
I don't know. I think they leave them empty but that might be for those starting in the pit lane/borked during the formation lap.
Ia that what will happen if guys dont make the race start? You just move up the grid or will there be empty spots on the grid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Waffdon
Could they just give Albon the Argies car if he stays front row or high up?
I'd say they will, didn't that happen already this year I think when they gave him the American lads car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waffdon
Yuki, Ocon and Lawson. Wow.
Cracking efforts from Tsunoda and Lawson.
Third for the lad.Quote:
Originally Posted by SincereTheRebel
Lando :cool:
Piastri and Leclerc being low down is perfect for fighting off the potential Verstappen charge
Even if there are empty spots, under rainy conditions where people can see fuck all, you would close that gap almost immediately.Quote:
Originally Posted by SincereTheRebel
Those gaps will mean nothing when it starts under a safety car.
Hope it’s a rolling start otherwise Russell will eat Norris alive at the start
Race is 3.30 UK, godspeed Aston Martin and Williams mechanics, although the mad fucks probably live for this sort of thing.
Aston and Williams will probably prioritise repairs for the best car. Y'know, Albon and Stroll.
Tsunoda directly behind Norris?
You already know Horner has been in his ear goading him on
He'll probably t-bone Lawson in the attempt.
They need to do 20 rounds in Interlagos with Sunday morning qualifying for the good of the sport.
It just never fails. It’s so good. Even with cruise ship size cars flying round
Having watched the breakdown, Verstappen was in 10th when the yellow flag occurred. Two seconds later Leclerc knocked him down to 11th.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
It’s impossible to red flag within 2 seconds so I’m not really sure what the crying is all about. Their point about should have red flagged immediately is also invalid because they would not even have time to put a full lap in with 75 seconds to go.
Hey, I was wrong about Williams. Albon's out. Colapinto's fixed.
Think about 35% of the crowd came to see Colapinto, give the people what they want.
First time I've seen this Ollie Oakes, he has massive Horner energy.
He's just a whiny little bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waffdon
Any scope for starting on slicks or doing one of those formation lap pit stops here?
I think 19 of the 20 drivers are whiny little bitches to be honest, the exception being Fernando Alonso who is instead a whiny old queen.
What are these jokers up to here then?
Stroll. :face:
Lance Stroll :lol:
What are they playing at at the back?
Jeez, been a long time since anyone has binned it on the formation lap.
He gets it started again and puts it into the fucking gravel :lol:
Proper window licker.
Lance fucking Strulovitch. Box office.
My lord
Lads, you're supposed to actually drive the cars.
Stroll giving us a stupid safety car start. Twat.
Max trying to get the entire field a penalty is a good effort even for him.
Well, this is already better than Spa 2021.
What a shambles
Penalties for the entire grid will be interesting.
Is Michael Masi back in charge of race control?
Sounds like Lando fucked up the start and the rest of the grid followed. Mclaren to blame. It aint nOrris job to know the rules
Surely if Norris went early then literally every other driver that followed him went early as well?
Surely if Norris gets noted everyone else that followed him will have to be noted also lol
Norris DQ this.
Yeah. I think they'll reprimand or something or else the entire grid save for about 4 cars will get penalties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
Stop and go penalty inbound
You can't just penalise one guy when they all moved. None of them has a green light.
Leclerc did it last year to be fair. At Interlagos as well, in dry conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
Verstappen also followed past the light so ....
Just start the fucking race and stop going on about all this lawyer shite.
Noses into regulation books and race results not ratified until next week. This is proper F1.
Imagine you and all of your colleagues busting a gut to fix the mess that the boss' spaz of a Son has made. Then you just get the job done in time and he waltzes in and breaks it again immediately.
LegendQuote:
Originally Posted by Gray Fox
Punish all the false starters (including Max) or none is my opinion.
Reprimand for Norris, 10 seconds for Verstappen for being a grass.
But really they all ended up going past the line so you can’t penalise all but 6 just because they set off later. And penalising just Norris is wrong, nobody forced the other 19 to go along with it.
I think the FIA will accept they fucked it (again) and move on.
This will be red flagged within about 5 minutes.
Lando :face:
Is Norris the worst starter in F1 history?
Worst among the frontrunners at the very least.
Verstappen’s ability to scythe through the field is incredible.
Although people need to pack in moving aside for him. Gasly typical French mentality there.
Verstappen is absolutely fearless isn’t he. Just isn’t scared at all about dive bombing
Seems the stewards are going to punish EVERYONE.
Piastri needs to hold Max up for as long as possible.
I don't understand how he has so much more grip than everyone else. It's like watching prototpyes pass GT3s at Le Mans.
I was going to throw some money on Verstappen to win but he’s already in to 5/2 lol.
Fucking hell Piastri.
These drivers can’t be serious. The exact 3 move again. My god
Championship winning drive in the making here from Max.
Piastri waving through Max there. Genuinely no defensive driving at all.
Max is just obscene. Really bringing it back to 2016 Interlagos where he did the same.
Piastri, what the fuck are you doing? Just left the door wide open...
More door wide open.
Yeah, let's get rid of sister teams.
That is utterly pathetic
They've all left the door open because they have zero confidence on the brakes into turn one and he has 100% confidence.
Yeah it's easy to blame the others but he's posting fastest laps the whole time from the middle of the field. He's just on a different level at the moment.
Piastri has got to do better though. As a teammate of the other contender, park it on the inside and keep him at bay for a while at least.
I expected Lawson to do as much, Helmut will have been on the blower immediately.
When you consider that someone's inevitably going to go into the barriers here, I'd say Verstappen is handy favourite to win.
Bearman v Max battle please.
He wouldn't give Max the inside.
Norris is paying a heavy price for his start. Would be well clear without it.
Did the co-commentator really just say that DRS should be enabled :D
Absolutely. No pace in the straights to take over but clear in the sector 1 and 2Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
LeClerc not letting Max past.
TOP lad.
Defending the inside line into turn 1, who would have thought that would be a good idea?
Oh boy it’s going to horse it down again. :drool:
Considering there are only two corners to overtake. Turn one and turn four. Brazil always brings good racing. Why?
The only question is who is going to have the safety car / red flag summoning crash. Albon and Stroll out narrows the field. Maybe Russell will.
Tory Boy pushing hard and going into the wall is surely odds on favourite for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
Top Ferrari strategy.
Surely a VSC or SC?
Front five nobbled again by the race director. I imagine he's sitting there with a steak and chips and a large glass of red.
Lando and George fucked by the short VSC.
Surely that's a red flag soon and Norris and Russell gigafucked.
Norris only has himself to blame bleating about tyres for the last ten laps.
'Is it raining?' burps the race director.
McLaren have fucked that.
How did Ocon gain seven seconds on Verstappen?
He went 5s quicker than him on the last lap, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
Ocon :D
Some effort
Surely Verstappen will have to pit at some point
Give me this race 20 times over please.
Fucking Fandango Cappuccino.
And that's the ball game.
That fia decision completely fucks anyone going into wet tires.
Be very surprised if the coward race control let this go again.
For fuck sake. Max pisses this now
It's stopped raining, get the race back under way when the debris is cleared.
I feel like I've spent the entire day watching Williams and Aston Martins knob it in the wall.
Long way to go here.
There's your answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
Williams mechanics due for some bonus.
Surely Max wins this now (and basically seals the WDC). Fair play because he's driven incredibly, but that's unfortunate for the pitters.
Not sure Norris really has the necessary toughness to be a champion driver.
Not this year, but it's the first time he's had a car to challenge right at the top. If the car performance stays where it is, it'll stand him in good stead going into next season.
The only hope is ocon decides to wipe out Verstappen again at T1
He doesn't, but this close call will define him.
Stewards room is going to need a big order in and a lot of coffee tonight.
All that whining about wanting to pit for new tyres was rubbish. Are these guys all just completely impulsive goits? If not then I'm afraid you have to be more determined than to be thinking about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
RIP Hulk.
Chandhok:D
By the way, this has been some spectacular rain so fuck knows what is on the way later on that made them need to bring the start an hour earlier.
It was the lameness of his radio message about everyone else being able to change their tyres now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
Maybe they wouldn't have been close enough either way, but McLaren feel like they have made a number of extremely poor strategy decisions this year.
Are they going to black flag Mercedes? Let's get a few more cars off the track.
Norris, you tit.
This is hilarious. Season needs a Max DNF, but it isn't happening.
This was obviously the big brain 4d chess thinking behind Alpeeeeen having cars that behave more like boats all season.
:face:
Lando is just not that guy.
How many overtakes has Verstappen done from 6th to 1st, just that one?
Does Piastri still have a 10s penalty or did that get served somewhere?
Being at an 18-point deficit while starting 16 places ahead is some top effort.
Certainly not in these conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray Fox
I can't believe Bearman is apparently a couple of seconds out of the points despite a 10 second penalty and about four trips to the grass.Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
Not sure about that. He’s been absolutely fine aside from the starts. Which is always his issue. The car clearly has too much downforce hence why they can’t takeover on the straightQuote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
The same reasons he’s not winning today is the reasons he’s not won multiple more times this season. McLaren making wrong strategy calls (he’d be first if they don’t pit, or second if Russell doesn’t either but he took him over anyway) and then obviously his terrible starts from the grid. I’m not sure he could have done much on the rolling start
Fine aside from the starts is not good enough though. He's singlehandedly dropped dozens of points due to his starts.
He's also made several driving errors today and clearly has much less confidence in these conditions that others.
Could turn it all around though by having better tyres I guess.
The ongoing trolling of Perez by Lawson is box office, and a well pointed out difference between his defending against one Red Bull compared to the other on commentary.
Norris has made two cornering mistakes which would have him 4th now as opposed to 6th, to say nothing of the shit start or the decision to pit.
I chose a good day to get the race start time wrong.
He's obviously not on the same level as Max but he's still had a pretty incredible season. There is obviously room for improvement (especially in the starts) but ultimately it was always a long shot to try and get a WDC title from this considering the opening 10 races, and keeping pace throughout despite some misfortune along the way is something to build on next year.
To balance my opinions, although Verstappen was peerless up to 6th, affter that it's been absolutely handed to him by various combinations of luck and the incompetence of others. It's not an all time level drive at all, as his lickspittles will claim it is after the race, not like some of the Schumacher carves through the field to win.
Max himself has had better races I'd argue, but at the same time he's the only driver on track that hasn't had a single mistake it feels like.
No it’s not an all timer in terms of what he’s done. But, he has raced very well today. Kept himself out of trouble and most importantly when the pressure has been on and it could have gone horribly wrong for him today he’s not made any mistakes at all.
That's exactly what he's done, made no mistakes when others have made plenty.
He's put himself in the right positions to capitalise. Nobody else seemed that brave on track.
That was a pure case of the cream rising to the top there today. Quality drive.
Oh my days, I didn’t realise that’s what happened:D
166 grands prix for that ridiculous waste of space. His race engineer has the voice of a man who needs a long liquid holiday.
That’s tremendous.
Alonso was crying in his post race. His spine took a beating.
Senna's McLaren was an absolute beauty.
Bottas booted from sauber for next season.
GPDA have released a statement somewhat taking aim at Bin Sulayem.
I think they are largely correct, in that they don't need to be treated like kids, that said... I don't get the jewellery thing - seems like Hamilton just being stubborn now - surely it's common sense that you don't wear jewellery whilst racing... particular a piece an ear/nose ring that could rip half your face off if you have a crash.
DTS must have paid red bull off to take the drivers championship into the 2nd last week
Have they never heard of DHL Express?
You mean the official logistics partners of the Formula One World Championship (tm)?
The time schedule this weekend is fucking weird. Getting up at 6am for a round that isn’t in Japan or Australia is just wrong.
You mean you’re not excited about Saturday night in vegas round the worst track on the calendar?
I like the story about the US border people taking Tsunoda to one side and being very doubtful about his story. Donald's strengthening the border already.
"Random" check strikes again.
Not a bad few weeks for Gasly.
An odd looking top 3. Such a tragic track
Faes terrible.
Wrong Fred.
The race is at 1 am lol. Great scheduling, lads.
It's confusing who it is even catering for. Mid-morning in the sand countries? I get it needs to have shiny lights on, so be in the dark, but surely at this time of year it gets darker there a bit earlier than 10pm or whenever they set the thing off local time.
The ONE part of the F1 website that was good... was the scheduling banner thing, that instantly told you start times in your country... and they went and changed it. Useless fuckers (they've added one extre click :D ).
Yeah, it's great for anyone east of India (hello me), but why so late for the US? Something to do with permits in Vegas?Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
Trying to find F1 start times has always been a click laden affair. They want to hide that nugget away so badly.
Often very clicky to find the starting grid, too, if you've missed qualifying.
EDIT: Race is 10pm local time.
The f1 website has it in track time and your local time. If not just go on Sky F1s Twitter, they always have a pinned image showing every session and the timesQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
Watching the Brawn documentary that Keanu Reeves did a while back. Two episodes in and Bernie's in top form. :cool:
Bernie is a full-on legend. Not appreciated in his lifetime due to being a completely villainous cunt, but in 20 years we'll look back on him as a hilarious hero.
Been watching it too – seriously good viewing. Love those bits where Keanu just suddenly shouts at some nerdy F1 boss, 'WHAT THE FUCK?'. Di Montezemolo comes across as such a pantomime prick, Horner too. I also love how much they characterise Ross Brawn as a teddy in public and a vicious fuck behind the scenes. Some good watching.
Thinking back, that period 2007-2010 was superb. The 2007 championship with Spygate and Alonso vs Hamilton, 2008 with the insane championship fight, 2009 the Brawn story and then 2010 the mega multi-direction title fight (and that superb looking yellow and black Renault with Kubica driving). Lovely stuff.
The thing it really hammers home is how skint the operation was. Outside of Virgin, I don't remember the outfit getting any proper sponsors. Hearing how they had to ditch half the workforce after Australia and ask the refuelling bloke to come in as a weekend gig is wild.
2010 Abu Dhabi was actually great. If memory serves there were a theoretical possible 5(though realistically 3) WDC winners going into it.
It was Alonsos' to lose and to be his crowning glory and the start of some Ferrari glory years. Yet imagine Ferrari making a pit stop blunder and sticking him behind a non-fussed Russian for the whole race.
Vettel had at no point in the season lead the standings in the WDC until he crossed the finish line. First driver to have done it since Hunt in the 70's.
Even though I was lolling at Alonso at the time, it's a pity it worked out that way. He deserves another championship and Vettel deserves to have won fewer.
I do wonder what F1 would look like had he got by Petrov immediately. In my head that incident was the most high profile example in the push to create something like DRS down the line.
Does Alonso then get first dibs on the upcoming vacant Mercedes seat in 2013? I reckon he would also have dealt with Rosberg in similar fashion to Hamilton and could himself be sat on 7 or even 8 titles. He rightfully gets his dues, but I bet it will irk him if two is all he ever manages.
I'd rule him out, but he's got one last hurrah with a change in regulations and an Adrian Newey behind him to build a car, anything could happen.
Ferrari 4 constructors from here.
Is that a new colour on the RB's? Reminds you of the old Benetton.
Yeah it looks like the O.G Kimi sauber.
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Sharles going backwards.
Way better paint job than before, keep it please.
Never seen a modern tyre go off as dramatically as Leclerc's did there.
First time I've actually got up for this race, don't mind the circuit at all tbh. Much better than Jeddah.
Sainz should be black flagged for that, hideously dangerous.
Ferrari really fucked up Sainz there.
Wasn't watching it all, how has Hamilton ended up 2nd?
i missed it but is Sainz being looked at, at the end of the race for that pit lane cut?
Surprised Ferrari didnt swap leclerc and sainz given leclerc is close for 2nd place. I guess the bonuses for leclerc are personal and probably hurt ferrari if he gets 2nd.
Their car was an absolute rocket ship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giggles
Such an odd team this year
Merc seems very temperature dependant.
Their other wins this season have been at a cold and damp Silverstone and Spa. Vegas also much cooler of a night.
There was a win at Austria, but Russell was over a pit stop behind when the two leaders took each other out.
Take the car anywhere hot and it looks useless.
Aye. My guess is Ferrari called them both in then realised he'd lose time double stacking them. As for the cut, I always (probably incorrectly) assumed the white line they looked at was the one on the exit.Quote:
Originally Posted by SincereTheRebel
EDIT: The rule is only punishable if you cut the line on pit entry. He didn't enter the pits so no problem.
Dangerous as fuck on a bend like that though. It would have been a disaster had there been another car there.
It should have a been a black flag under whatever sweeper rules there are for general dangerous driving. You can't behave as unpredictably as that in a high speed part of the track.
Rules have disappeared miles up their own arse though so actual high speed danger is fine but pushing someone off the track onto tarmac run-off at 40mph is a penalty.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1...s/cy8nzlwpn83o
Sorry to abandon my cynical persona but this sort of thing awakens the child in me. In summary: :drool:
11 teams is such an odd number
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1...s/c1704n4wd7go
lol at Perez going under the bus as an innocent bystander in all this.
:DQuote:
There's a lot of things that Max can do that are phenomenal. Driving at the level he does consistently without a team-mate that can push him in any way certainly makes his life harder.
I still beleive having a strong team is the biggest test, which is why hamilton for me stands alone against the rest compared to the rest since 1998
The Brawn GP story on BBC is wild. I don't really remember much about that season apart from the cheating thing but TBF I'd only just started to get in to F1.
Brilliant story.
Is skys commentary two seconds ahead of the feed for anyone else?
Is there another one this week? Is the continent change break gone?
It’s a triple header to end the season. It’s like the 3rd or 4th triple header of the year. Very dumb. It’s sprint weekend so that was just quali
Russell is just so much better than Hamilton
Perez lmao
Perez forgetting to go on the green light :face:
Shameful
Don't think I've ever managed to tune into a sprint race other than on the last lap, having forgotten about it. Every time.
Norris is far too much of a team player. Such a nice bloke
That was also ridiculously brave to do with Russell less than a second behind
I can't stand that sort of thing. Fastest man should win.
Yeah Norris could have won that by 10+ seconds with ease but whatevs
It’s a good thing it rained in Brazil otherwise red bull may have twitchy bums based on the state of their car the past two weeks
As a racy as Piastri is, he sounds dead on the radio. I'd settle for Vettel yabba-daba-doing over "Yeah. Ok. Thanks."
I think every one of those things is cringe as fuck. Whether it's Vettel advertising his German naffness, Verstappen being an arrogant wanker or Hamilton's preening Still We Rise, it's just awful. Only exception is usually someone's first win or winning after a long wait and there's genuine emotion.
Piastri comes across very well. Seems brighter than your average fish.
Watching the F2 race, some of these people are genuinely awful. Bearman looks a class above, so smooth, probably going to come second.
Sling that, he's just absolutely mugged his French rival into T1. Rule Britannia.
Norris fucks off and McLaren get less points. Russell would have beaten Piastri comfortably, he was uncharacteristically scruffy today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waffdon
People hanging back to give DRS to their team mate is bad shit as well. The right thing to do under the current rules, but it ain't racing.
Russell still looks rapid around here and their straight line speed could be the factor tomorrow if he qualifies well here. Not going to have Norris handing out drs to his teammate tomorrow
What an odd session.
No idea where the fuck max got them from. They looked on par with Haas a couple hours ago.
Tasty front 2
Even when he's locked up the Championship he can't help but cheat...
I don’t think Russell was on a push lap and if that was the case it’s Russell just being weird again
That one place grid penalty seems(for obvious reasons) very specific. I reckon anyone else probably gets away with that.
Yeah, very odd. Hopefully he gets feisty with Russell for the scenes
They just make the rules up as they go along for TV now. There hasn't been a 'one place grid penalty' since they were racing chariots around the hippodrome.
4pm race start?
Really feels like they've done the schedule this year for maximum conflict with the football.
If I could take a wild swing I would say the last few races have been scheduled to avoid conflict with NFL.
Were there ever 6pm or 9pm (UK time) race starts?
I should be more specific - start times aimed at capturing the US market without eating into any NFL time. Nice 11am east coast for this one.
Norris absolutely chickened out at the start. Protecting the constructors' points.
Yeah definitely looked like he was told to avoid the DNF at all cost.
Didn't see the full details on the incidents, but a penalty for Stroll and nothing for Hulk there in those T1 goings on seems a bit odd.
Looking like easy street for Verstappen. Cars looking like they’re struggling in the hot air behind
Hulkenberg was in the turn one chaos which probably saved him, Stroll appeared to just drive into someone on a straight
Some pretty honking driving standards down the field. Lawson is far too hot-headed, Tsunoda dirty as hell.
Yeah, but the turn 1 chaos was just him driving into Ocon wasn't it? Thought Stroll's was also coming out of turn 1.
Oh dear Merc.
I've just flicked over. Are they really covering this debris on the straight with double yellows? As in the only overtaking spot on the track? Good stuff.
Double yellowing the straight each time? A bit dumb
Another race director getting the sack.
Thank ben Sulayem.
Oh dear oh dear.
What a shit show. :D
FIA are a disgrace
This race director's had to do a double shift this weekend because they fired the F2 one. You can't make it up.
Absolute clusterfuck.
Where's he been for the last 10 minutes? Was he having a shit?
They just ruined Sainz race completely :lol:
Was he really thinking he could just double yellow the straight until the end? We might as well finish under the safety car then. There's literally nowhere else you can overtake here.
Probably horrendously indecisive and/or getting pressured by various teams/people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
Bottas could have had an enormous tyre blowout and crash at 200mph if he'd driven over it differently.
Also, is somebody now driving around with only one wing mirror? Do they not have to pit and fix / retire for safety reasons? If not, why are there wing mirrors on the cars?
This race is a farce. Verstappen uncharacteristically made a complete mess of the safety car restart but Norris too cowardly to take advantage.
Max forcing Norris off again.
Have a day off mateQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
10 second stop/go :D
It lives!
He might as well punt Max now and put Piastri higher.
I guess stop and go penalties still exist, wow.
I don't think they want the constructors championship decided today.
Feels like the shark has rather been jumped on the stewarding/race admin. It's an absolute mess and has been for years.
Drive through penalty as well. They're pulling out all the hits. Max Mosley is smiling down from Nazi-themed heaven.
Hamilton is absolutely SEETHING.
Serving penalties and then retiring the car next lap is pretty lol.
Hamilton has completely lost the plot over the last month or so.
I hope his move to Ferrari doesn't end up being Nigel Mansell to McLaren. If so, then a few quick Bearman drives in the Haas could create an interesting scenario.
If Lando hadn't have gotten the stop and go this would have been a tasty ending, he's been blitzing his laps since the penalty.
He's looked like he's just phoning it in because he's going. You'd hope he'll have a new lease of life with the change of scenery, though if the car starts off as a donkey next year he could zone out very quickly again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
He's still quick enough but keeps making errors, so maybe the concentration has gone. Hopefully you're right and it's just what we all do at the end of jobs.
Is he wrong? The likes of Russell, Norris and Leclerc have proven time and again that they don’t have the killer mentality that Verstappen has.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waffdon
Very few throughout history have had that mentality, to be fair.
Russell definitely does. I don’t really like the bloke but he quite clearly gets a lot out of every situations he’s in and is just as bad as Verstappen is when taking it to the edgeQuote:
Originally Posted by 7om
Ocon punted for the final race. Doohan in.
:lol:
As good as, you mean surely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waffdon
IIRC, Verstappen is a level above both in terms of mentality and actual skill, on almost the entire current field.
Leclerc is probably the man you want for pure one lap pace, but we've seen many examples of him not having the bottle in races. Alonso and Hamilton the ones I'd put in that bracket, but one should be long retired by now and the other is very motivation dependant these days.
In fact on track, there's only really Hamilton that's been able to hold a candle to him in any kind of equal performing machinery.
Lando currently is not that guy. He's not far off that bracket in terms of skill, but lacks greatly the ruthlessness. This season should do him some good. The penny seems to have dropped that Best Belgian Mates doesn't work once they get in the car.
K Mag's reaction to to getting by Albon is great. I'll miss him. :D
I prefer this one. :D
https://dubz.co/c/7e73aa
Unless you meant Albon and we're talking about the same thing?
Yeah, I got the driver wrong.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1...s/cy89xevxp1jo
:happycry:Quote:
Motorsport's governing body wants to change its rules to limit the ways its leadership can be held to account for bad governance.
Dictators gonna dictator.
This will be the end of FIA governance in top level motorsport unless he's stopped pretty much immediately.
The future Russell Verstappen rivalry is shaping up nicely, hopefully they have cars to bother each other with next season.
Not even a denial.Quote:
Asked about Russell's claim that he said he would deliberately crash into him, Verstappen said: "That's not true. I didn't say it like that. He's trying to exaggerate it again."
:D
Russell being the head of the Drivers Association makes it even better.
Netflix rushing cameras to Abu Dhabi immediately.
I stand with George.
Knock him out, lad.
Verstappen, like all his countrymen, is a massive autist, and Russell is a lovely twat. Bring on a heated rivalry, haven't had one for ages.
We just had the riveting tale of Perez vs Lawson.
Everyone has bent over for Verstappen over the last few years. The last one to stand up to him was Hamilton in 2021. It’s about time someone gave him a taste of his own medicine. Turns out it’s bitter.
Problem is it doesn't seem anyone has the ability, or inclination, to go wheel to wheel with him on the track, cf Norris massively pussying out when he had the run on him around the outside at the last race. Live to fight another day doesn't work with Max/the modern reliability era.
Because they know if they do, their race is over.
Norris learned that.
:D soppy twats
It's been too long since there's been a good bit of needle in the sport. Bring it on.
I do however fully expect a completely manufactured Instagram post with arms around each other, claiming how its all water under the bridge, before Christmas.
Leclerc has a 10 grid place penalty for the race so the FIA going ultra harsh last week has worked out well
Aston seem to have gone backwards at an alarming rate, are they just getting all of their eggs ready to put into the Newey basket rather than doing any development on the current car whatsoever?
I dont think it's so much on them. I do think there is a little bit of that at play, as if you know you're getting the boffin in, you want to give him as many resources as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
I just think the teams above have got to the point of maximum extraction of this current formula. It's a little track dependant but for most circuits you could say any of the top 3 are in with a chance of pole/win and if it's cold, Mercedes could be there too. They're a comfortable 5th in the WCC which is where I'd expect them to be.
Alonso has been dragging it to between 8th and 12th quite consistently but their problem is the window licking dipshit in the other car hasn't troubled the points in over 10 races now. Again about on par with what I'd expect really.
Alonso has had more Q1 eliminations than Stroll this season.
Qualifying is their problem. The top four teams are well clear, so barring any shenanigans like Brazil, they're competing for 9th and 10th every week but that means there's only 1 or 2 points on offer and given their slow quali pace they're having to come from further back. Given the gulf between them and the top four coupled with the current scoring system, hauling in just shy of 100 points is decent I'd say.
Hamilton :lol:
Starting to think Ferrari have brought him in knowing that they need a clear #1 and #2.
That bollard sticking under his car is a pretty good metaphor for his entire season tbh.
Bottas :cool:
Leclerc starting from the back of the grid so there goes any drama with the constructors
Hulkenberg :cool:
Short run in with an 1-2 and pole always wins here. Surely to god they don’t fuck this up
Even Lando can't bottle it from there.
They'll probably end up going full Ferrari Singapore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waffdon
lol at Russell somehow escaping a penalty for a much worse offence than Verstappen last weekend (on a hot run as well)
Loving these last hurrahs – Bottas and Hulkenberg are total dons. I know Hulk's going to be around next year, but the 2025 Saudi/Auber (pick your own bridging name) is bound to be a dog as they work on the 2026 car.
Lolstappen :D
In before Norris gets taken out later :lol:
Bottas a true hero.
Feed I have refusing to show any replays of any incidents.
How has Sainz fucked that restart that much?
@John Arne that's just the official broadcast. I'm watching on the F1 channel and nothing's been shown really.
How did the French figure out how to build a car all of a sudden?
Annoying. Have no idea who was at fault for the Piastri and Verstappen tiff? If anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adramelch
It was on Verstappen for sure. Piastri left him a lot of space.
There you go. Completely on Verstappen.
How does he always get such a rapid start? Is the RB just that good off the line?
Piastri :D
Annoyingly this is why more don't cut Max off when he dives down the inside as he does. Piastris race ruined yet Max is likely into some good points still.
Verstappen being a stupid twat shocker.
Yeah but he got a massive 10 seconds penalty, so it is all good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray Fox
Kind of ironic that there’s nothing French about the team anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepe
Verstappen, Piastri and Bottas all getting the same penalty doesn’t seem quite right
Isn't the engine still built in France? They were hiring a few months ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
It is but they’re shutting it down and becoming a Mercedes customer.
Recent performances are in spite of the Renault engine.
Leclerc looks absolutely rapid. Being able to use a brand new car after the nightmare in quali was probably a blessing
Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
McLaren should have just pitted first. 2 seconds taken out of his lead with an epic pit stop
Max is such a fucking baby.
Verstappen :D
Can we just go with these exact cars for next year with the driver changes please?
If McLaren fix their straight line speed next year they will absolutely piss it
You have to factor in where he would end up had he pitted earlier. He had time to give in order to come into clean air and avoid any potential collision/safety car shenanigans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waffdon
There’s definitely some 2021 shenanigans going to happen here. Magnussen has already wiped the fastest lap from Norris and he’s probably been told to cause a safety car at some point
Surely Piastri has to be told to play it safe at this point?
Trying to make it about Lewis Hamilton :D
It is all about Lewis Hamilton.
Forever in Max’s shadow
Literally the greatest driver of all time by almost every metric, but okay sure.
When the Englishman took over mid season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepe
I thought that the car had been built in the UK for a while.
Renault have always worked out of the Enstone factory.
Jim is referring to Oakes taking over as TP in August.
Next season has got the potential to be an all-time great. The teams are finding the final bits of performance for these regulations so the field is going to become even tighter if anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by SincereTheRebel
The f1 podcast I listen to has me wondering whether they’re being overly woke or I’m wrong. They keep pushing Tsunoda for Red Bull like he wouldn’t be an even shittier Perez. Has the guy ever done anything impressive ever?
The Tsunoda love is just odd weeb stuff. He's alright over one lap but nothing special and ultimately just a Honda stooge.
He's also a massive fanny.
I miss Kobayashi. He was properly mad. And actually a decent driver.
Tsunoda would be a disaster.
Whether he does or doesn't get the seat will tell you how much sway Honda still have.
He's no Takuma Sato.
Perez out, Lawson in.
The amount of support for Tsunoda is baffling.
Probably Hadjar up from F2 into the RB seat I guess.
That’s an aggressive driving line up.
I’d love to see K Mag in a big seat just for the madness that follows
Would have preferred to see a driver with even less experience but we cant have it all.
Spa removed from the '28 and '30 calender to allow potential new races in Argentina, Thailand, Rwanda or, and get this .. another Saudi race.
Oh well. It was good while it lasted.
I'm not sure it has ever really been good on a consistent basis, but the trend towards it being all a massive wealth flaunting endeavour twinned with modern reliability, increased complexity and billions of races has somewhat dulled the mystique and allure of it all.
That said, they should probably cancel Spa indefinitely until they can provide a usable extreme wet tyre.
The cars being the size of cruise liners is the main reason extreme wets don't work. Something of that size and weight creates an insane amount of spray. We even have drivers complaining about it when they're on inters now.
Aye, all the torque to the rear just doesn't help. I'd go back to MotoGP but I'm not ready for a Honda without a Repsol livery.
The drivers keep me onboard with F1, anyway. The grid's got so much talent in it.
To be fair to Pirelli here, the wet tyre actually works exceptionally well, which is itself the problem. It removes a crazy amount of water from the surface. The downside is that gets chucked all over the car behind you. The cars being ground effect and getting loads of water into the gubbins there is what I think is the bigger problem and why there is just no running in the full wets.
If they clip a mud flap on the rear wing that deflects the water back onto the racing line. Problem solved.
Yeah that's my point. It's the cars that are the problem, not the tyres.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray Fox
The 2026 mockups are quite noticeably smaller than the current cars. Which you'd think is a good thing, but they're still bigger/heavier than 2021. So this wet tyre issue isn't going away. But they're binning off Spa for Saudi II so who cares.
We all overdress in our first day on a job. Working class hero.
He looks great as does the F40. :drool:
Speaking of F40s...
https://www.motor1.com/news/747812/f...-norris-crash/
He's just missing the MAGA hat, oh wait, different event.
I'm getting Bond villain vibes.
His terrifying plan is to force the world into a plant based diet.
It is funny how he and Nernando are still hanging out with what is otherwise a grid full of AI generated children.
Some 'mechanic' obliterated one the other day in this country, and one did likewise in Germany a while back. What other two million quid thing would you not securely transport over even a short distance?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
Ah, now you've ruined it for me. All I'll see is a regen face pack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
Only looking through the lineups now, didn't realise there were so many changes like Zhou gone. Never heard of Bortoleto or Hadjar.
I was just thinking yesterday it's getting close to the time to make a 2025 thread. Get your subtitle suggestions in now. It's the exact same 24 races as last season so I'm struggling for inspiration.
The exact same thing over and over again is probably a good epithet for Formula One.
F1 2025 - It's Just Going Round in Circles.
a full set of regensQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
Arabian Shites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
Works for circuits and personnel, given todays announcement.
I had a thought about this season recently. Current regulations mean that the worst teams get more time in Wind Tunnels/Testing etc. Would it not be beneficial with 2026 having massive rules/aero/performance changes to tank this season specifically to get more time in the lab. For a Ferrari/Red Bull/Mercedes, is it worth taking a 50 million quid bath so that you could then rule the first couple years under the new regs?
The same team has won every single year since it was introduced so I'd love to be in the meeting where someone suggested taking a £50m hit as a strategy for success.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1...s/c78x03252mpo
Lol if they actually dock someone (especially Max) championship points for swearing too much.
Didn't Brawn basically win a title on his own last time they made these changes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco
Yeah, but they had the regulation cheat code. You don't get that from more time in the tunnel alone. Does that testing time difference even carry over between regulation changes?
If you were tanking wouldn't you also just dedicate all of your current season testing allowance to that as well? Which would all be spectacularly lol when you role out some big brain zero pods in Bahrain in 2026.
I went to art school. I'm not even sure how much tunnel time even matters. I was just trying to big brain it.
However, now James Vaal or whatever his name is has revealed it, when a friend of mine who worked on their aero told me that the entire Williams factory and engineering worked off a single excel spreadsheet I'm not sure unlimited tunnel time would make up for that level of inbuilt inefficiency.
Honda invested hundreds of millions of pounds into the team first, then left after 2008 not knowing they'd built an absolute rocket ship, sold the team to Ross Brawn for a quid and presumably all jumped out a window when Jenson Button lolled his way through the first half of the season and won the title. Long time before any kind of cost cap of course, they won in 09 for the same reason anyone else has: spending a dickload of money the year before.Quote:
Originally Posted by phonics
Brawn weren't the only ones with double-diffusers either. Fellow big spenders Toyota had them ready for the season, as did Williams.
The divers should be striking over that one, especially the no criticism bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Andy Mahowry
No question they should. The idiot's got to go.
Aye, the top drivers especially hold all the power here. You going to have an F1 championship l without Verstappen, Leclerc, Hamilton and the like?
Doesn't sound like they're all that happy about it either.