The UK Politics Thread [Wot did Jez do now...]

Politicians love a good "I was in xxx country just last week" story... Maybe they feel that it gives their opinion some weight.

"I was in Syria for 20 minutes last week... I know what's going on, on the ground, trust me, I was there"

How is 'Daesh' pronounced? I heard John Kerry and his rubber face saying 'Dash', but it reads like 'Daish' (based on Scottish 'words' with 'ae' in them).

Daysh

Who cares? Just call them Isis. The only people I've seen using 'Daesh' are try-hard wankers. They don't give a shit what you call them.

I've always read it as dah-esh since it sometimes has the apostrophe in it.

As others have said before, if we're going to call them things because we think they won't like it, we should just call them goat-shagging cuntbags.

This is very good from a terrorist-sympathising Conservative MP. The opening line is a belter as well.

"Gisela Stuart, Labour MP for Birmingham Edgbaston, said she was pleased that her inbox has been full of messages from people telling her not to vote in favour of airstrikes. “I would be deeply troubled if my email inbox was full of people gung-ho saying ‘go and get them,” she said, but she will vote in favour of airstrikes."

Representative of the people!

ISIS clearly don't represent the 'normal' views of Islam... however, is it entirely accurate to suggest that they have nothing to do with Islam?
Aren't Wahhabism and Salafism pretty much accepted Islamic doctrines, albeit, extremely fundamentalist and militant sections of Islam?

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Originally Posted by phonics

"Gisela Stuart, Labour MP for Birmingham Edgbaston, said she was pleased that her inbox has been full of messages from people telling her not to vote in favour of airstrikes. “I would be deeply troubled if my email inbox was full of people gung-ho saying ‘go and get them,” she said, but she will vote in favour of airstrikes."

Representative of the people!

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Yeah, I heard that. Very bizarre statement.

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Originally Posted by John Arne

ISIS clearly don't represent the 'normal' views of Islam... however, is it entirely accurate to suggest that they have nothing to do with Islam?
Aren't Wahhabism and Salafism pretty much accepted Islamic doctrines, albeit, extremely fundamentalist and militant sections of Islam?

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Well, yes. It's not representative of most Muslims but to say that it has nothing to do with Islam is PC bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Henry

Well, yes. It's not representative of most Muslims but to say that it has nothing to do with Islam is PC bullshit.

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I like to think fewer and fewer people are letting the statement wash any more.

It's interesting to see the vast view swings since 08-09 on the old board. What was largely regarded as a distasteful view back then is seen as wholly acceptable now.

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Originally Posted by Dr Barry

Jesus Christ, did I just log into Stormfront by mistake?


Griffin was largely shown up, the other panellists showed up to attack him, but refused to do it blindly, instead responding with calm, informed rebuttals. The only place Griffin gained any traction was the immigration section, not through any eloquence on his part, but because the panellists (and even the bloody audience) spent most of the time trying to outdo each other on how harsh their immigration controls were, legitimising his position, rather than attacking it from the left.


Incidentally, it's clear to anyone who was paying even the slightest bit of attention to the programme why Bonnie Greer was there, to rebut the BNP's historical fictions, something she really should have had more time to do.


Finally, praising his answer on Islam? Really? I'd expect this shit from Harold and Dav, but Yev? You should be fucking ashamed of yourself.

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I don't remember what Nick Griffin said at the time, but people have not in fact come round to BNP policies, Tragic.

There were a few posts by Yevrah that were arguably seer-like and he likened it to Stormfront. What a turd of a human being Dr. Barry was. Nauseating cunt.

Representative of the people, not of their rent-an-opinion shopping lists. Gisela Stuart is excellent.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd

Representative of the people

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What does that mean in your view?

It means that she is the representative (n) of her constituents. It does not mean that she is necessarily representative (adj) of her constituents. If they are unhappy with her work, they can elect another.

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Originally Posted by Boydy

Who cares? Just call them Isis. The only people I've seen using 'Daesh' are try-hard wankers. They don't give a shit what you call them.

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Indeed. You can see the conversation now.

"So after the daring raids in Paris by our people, we need to decide what to do next"
"I'm afraid there are more pressing matters than that..."
"Go on.."
"You see, some of the infidels, some of them are..."
Yes..?
Some of them are...
"I'm waiting"
"Some of them are calling us Daesh"
"..... :serious: "
"Yes, and it's catching on. By this time next week there could be at least 12 people using the term"
"Well, that's it then, we've failed. We've failed Allah"
"I thought you might say that - I've asked the men to release the latest raft of hostages and told that Western journalist we have a really odd relationship with to go home. ISIS will be no more by the morning."
"Pint?"

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Originally Posted by John Arne

ISIS clearly don't represent the 'normal' views of Islam... however, is it entirely accurate to suggest that they have nothing to do with Islam?

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No it's not, in fact, it's a complete bastardisation of reality.

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Originally Posted by Henry

I don't remember what Nick Griffin said at the time, but people have not in fact come round to BNP policies, Tragic.

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Doctor Barry was representative of that section of lefty shitbags who dismiss absolutely everything someone says, because they hold other abhorrent views.

I can't remember what Griffin said at the time (I'd be interested to see again if anyone can find it) but would happily agree with him (on that one point alone) if it's still how I feel.

Patrick Cockburn is the best journalist writing on the middle east in recent years. This should be read.

Also this.

5,432 Air Strikes. For fuck's sake...

When I said politicians will want to be seen to be doing something in the wake of Paris, this is it.

What a pointless waste of time, money and life.

Exactly. Either go balls deep with a ground offensive and exit plan or don't fucking bother.

Having a close family member in the army nowadays, I have to say my views have shifted distinctly towards the cowardly isolationist ones when it comes to ground troops and exit strategies.

But the truth is that none of us fucking know and all the outcomes are probably bad.

The French have been calling them Daesh all throughout.

EDIT: Maybe that's why they got bombed.

If all these SNP people are so keen on negotiating with ISIS, why don't we send all 56 of them in a big tartan bus to do it themselves?

That DUP bloke won the debate by standing up and basically saying blow the fuckers to smithereens.

Fucking hell, Hilary Benn's speech just then was the best I have ever seen in Parliament, possibly in politics full stop. Everyone has to watch it.

Don't think there's any doubts about the outcome judging by the reaction to Hilary Benn's speech.

Linkage?

You can find links to a woman's super nova'd anus but you can't find this? U wat

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd

If all these SNP people are so keen on negotiating with ISIS,

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They aren't, and you're better than that.

EDIT: Decent speech by Benn from what I see, but not "best ever", and he's still wrong.

Question Time tomorrow-

Nicky Morgan, Diane Abbott, Caroline Lucas, Maajid Nawaz and Jill Kirkby.

That's a cracking speech. You could see the fire there, hell almost got me on board.

There's audio up on the speccie, but it's best viewed I think, which will no doubt be up soon. A front bench opposition MP actually showing some leadership and passionately reminding the self-serving twats in the room, on all sides, of the realities of what's at stake. I don't even know if he's right, and nor do you, but the oratory was of a standard you just don't see anymore.

Isabel Hardman says he showed up not just Corbyn but also Cameron, I agree with that.

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Originally Posted by Alan Shearer The 2nd

Question Time tomorrow-

Nicky Morgan, Diane Abbott, Caroline Lucas, Maajid Nawaz and Jill Kirkby.

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Just because Harold isn't here;

'LEFT WING BIAS! LEFT WING BIAS! LEFT WING BIAS!'

Benn's speech was very good indeed. His mannerisms are bery similar to his dad's, especially the right arm waving about.

Corbyn's face when he spoke was a picture. What a mess of a leader he is. I don't want to contemplate the size of the Tory majority in 2020 if this bloke remains at the helm.

His actual arguments aren't any different or better than anyone else's. The debate here isn't about whether ISIS or bad or if they should be opposed, but whether airstrikes from the UK are going to do any good. It's a subtle analytical argument, and no amount of powerful rhetoric could or should sway it.

The clapping though. They should send the clappers to ISIS.

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Originally Posted by Lee

Corbyn's face when he spoke was a picture. What a mess of a leader he is. I don't want to contemplate the size of the Tory majority in 2020 if this bloke remains at the helm.

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He looked like he had a mouth full of wasps.

The twitter reaction is quite funny. Anyone vaguely sensible of all hues is applauding it. Corbynistas are calling him a traitor to his family and the cybernats are, as one, pointing out how THE TORIES applauded him, as if that's a bad thing.

Looks as though Benn has swayed a few Labour votes.

I like how he ended his speech describing Islam for what it is.

Oh...oh he was on about ISIS?

Daesh, mate.

The Shadow Chief Whip voting against Corbz. You couldn't make it up.

They're saying 57 Labour MPs possibly voting for strikes.

Bombs to start falling in Syria from British planes tonight then, I guess.

On that, is it likely we've been doing it already anyway?

That's a thumping majority sounds like more than 57... I'm assuming none of the Scots would have voted with the government on principle alone.

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Originally Posted by Lee

Bombs to start falling in Syria from British planes tonight then, I guess.

On that, is it likely we've been doing it already anyway?

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I live 10 minutes away from RAF Marham and to say it's been busy the past week or so would be an understatement.

67 in the end. Add the legends from the DUP, subtract a few Tory rebels and the shortbread army.

Oh great. Bombing the fuck out of them. That'll work.................. jesus wept there is hardly anything left to bomb as it is.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd

The Shadow Chief Whip voting against Corbz. You couldn't make it up.

They're saying 57 Labour MPs possibly voting for strikes.

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I did laugh at that. That's implosion politics there.