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Well you can't say he's not defending himself
Fuck me, I think that I rather vote Lofty over Byron, but I don't want to instigate a double lynch at this point. Byron is probably a good target at this point, mind.
Baz still seems to be getting away too easily with this.
I have to say though that I'm also coming around to the idea of a double lynching, at least in concept if not this round. The single most important thing that can happen for the villagers is finding a wolf - after that, enough research on previous posts and voting patterns should give us some definite suspects. But until then we're basically groping in the dark. So I don't think increasing the odds of finding a wolf is such a bad thing even if it's at the risk of another villager.
You dont think Baz is another Manc? To me that seems obviousQuote:
Originally Posted by Pepe
Most likely, yes. But if he turned out to be a wolf (unlikely), at least he would give us a thread to follow. With Lofty and Byron, no matter what role they have, it feels like we will be back to square one. Plus, at least they are defending themselves while Baz has seemingly checked out.Quote:
Originally Posted by mugbull
Just looking at the choice between Byron and Lofty, it's a bit opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of voting (in some regards). Lofty has tended to get his votes in early - 5th, 4th and, admittedly, 13th in the last round. He has voted for P_3 (3rd vote), AD (1st vote) and Browning (5th vote). Only one of those has died and been shown to be a villager. Byron, on the other hand, plays his hand later - 21st and a completely dead vote for Don in R1, 23rd and an 8th vote for AD in R2 and 17th and a 4th vote for Pepe in R3 (R3 only had 19 votes whereas R2 had 30 with all the switching about). Again, 1 dead villager, but no one he has voted for has been lynched - although it looked like AD would be when he voted in R2. I'm not sure either pattern is more suspicious in isolation. Maybe Lofty? I dunno.
Aye but double lynching and taking out two villagers wouldn't exactly be ideal. We don't have much to go on though, obviously. Feels a bit unnecessarily aggressive to me, but we might have to resort to it eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
I would say in principle that voting later is more suspicious, as it's generally become more clear what's going to happen and therefore easier to choose a strategic head-covering vote.
Of course it's not ideal, but neither is muddling along lynching villager after villager without getting an inch closer to any real idea of what's going on. I'll say it again, the only thing that will change this game is getting a wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by igor_balis
Voting later probably is more suspicious, but there are various reasons why this could be the case, and being able to change your vote throws a spanner in the works of the theory to begin with.
Only if it is non-decisive. Voting late risks having to be decisive. You could say Byron obviated that in R1 by going for Don, but the vote in R2 was to kill AD at the time. I suppose, were Byron to be proven a wolf it would make AD less likely to be one. R3 again was a bit of a dead one as Pepe wasn't really in the race.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
There's also the issue of not voting at all *ahem*.
Exactly, you could argue voting later is wolfish because it allows them to see how the day's votes have gone first, but you could just as easily make a case that it would make sense for wolves to get their votes in early to avoid suspicion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScousePig
Voting patterns aren't perfect, but I'd say that tracking the who rather than the when is going to be more useful.
Speaking of which, anyone got a decent spreadsheet?
I said i was going to make one to compete with Taz's but ive realized theres no way i have the energy for it
I started working from the one Baz posted up but it seemed to have a few errors in it. :sherlock:
I do have one but it's a work in progress and I'm not completely convinced of its accuracy at the moment.
I don't think there's much to be read into the voting. Byron being a wolf would go some way to convincing me AD isn't one. And maybe the same for Lofty and Browning, although to a lesser extent. Lofty's defence of himself is swaying me at the moment.
Current standings:
Byron - 6
Baz - 3
Pepe - 2
Lofty - 4
4 left to vote
An hour and a half left.
Who hasn’t voted yet? Be interesting to see if there are any late swings here.
Well, I'm guessing Bruh is one of them.
At best he makes one throwaway comment about chucking Bruh into a lynching as well (probably not the worst idea) and a much stronger post against the concept.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lofty
Fake news.
Byron - Baz - Pepe - Lofty
The voting patterns are hardly a slam dunk, but I'd say his look a little bit more dubious.
Bruh, niko and Baz left to vote I believe?
Is Bruh still with us?
Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence.
The problem is that this leaves me in a quandary. If I go impassioned then it looks a little 'doth protest too much'
Have I been palying badly? Yeah. But lets not forget that my only defence of a multiple lynch was when the other option was Bruh. Hardly the sharpest tool in the shed.
Indeed, may I draw your attention to;
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Originally Posted by Byron
Indeed, there's something of a pattern here. Lofty comes in with a defence that amounts to 'Byron advocated a mutli lynch once, kill him!' Indeed, he seems to be multi-quoting me in the hope that by data-dumping, people go along with him rather than actually looking at the posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byron
Then, in the space on an hour, two people vote me, to take me above Lofty. If that doesn't stink of co-ordination then I don't know what does.
I'm not saying that all three are wolves, but I'm coming round to the idea of Lofty and Spoon being wolves, with Pepe strung along for the ride (and probably looking at the opportunity to off me for nominating him)
If I'm a non-wolf, you know your next targets. Obviously I'd love to stay alive, but it may be too little, too late for me.
Vote change from Pepe to
Lofty
The man has convinced me.
My man :cool:
Byron - 7
Lofty - 5
Baz - 3
Pepe - 1
Still to vote - 3
Should I. :henn0rz:
I'm tempted.
If you do, I do.
*Insert image of Trump saying 'I love Hispanics'!*Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepe
This could be Byron's Istanbul.
We could always go for the double...
The tension...:drool:
Time left? I am going for lunch now, so I leave it in hands of my competent villagers. :uhoh:
The only pattern is Byron jumps in late to vote, often in dead rubbers. The most decisive thing he has done in over a thousand posts in this thread is try to stitch me up. That stinks far more than people voting for him.
I change my vote from Byron to
Byron - Baz - Pepe - Lofty
Now I see Byron and Lofty as equally likely or unlikely; and I've given my reasoning for a double lynch above. If anyone disagrees with me, there's still three votes who can tip the scales, so don't accuse me of trying to pull off a double at the very last second.
I think Lofty is more suspicious, marginally.
Byron - Baz - Pepe - Lofty
Oof.
Who's left to vote?
:drool:
As the most decisive thing you've done is isolate one post as evidence of me wanting multiple lynches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lofty
Die wolf scum.
Late tension :drool: Jim White is smiling somewhere, in his yellow tie.
Gutting if someone doesn’t make the double lynch happen
Byron - Baz - Pepe - LoftyQuote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
So that's 7-7 now yeah?
Not good.
Ffs baz
What the fuck Baz? Mass change to get him lynched, anyone?
Talk about sticking your head above the fucking parapet.
Could it be engineered?
I will try to switch to avoid a double, although I can't guarantee it won't end up in a complete clusterfuck if other people have the same idea.
Vote change from Byron to:
Byron - Baz - Pepe - Lofty
Both to avoid a double and because Baz has contributed nothing but confusion to the game so far.
Byron - 6
Lofty - 7
Baz - 4
Pepe - 1
If I'm not mistaken.
If one of these 2 isn't a wolf (assuming someone doesn't save one of them) the Baz dies. Then AyDee.
Lame.
Should’ve waited til 7:59, but ehh gotta WoW.
Another waste of a round, you fucking clowns.
Agreed on Baz. I can't believe anyone would be that stupid, but it is Baz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spikey M
I think he's a villager who wants to stir shit up, but we're better off without him anyway.
Yeah, I think Baz is just apathetic and trying to troll. Easy enough to ignore him going forward.
I have some regrets about switching to Lofty as ultimately I still suspect Byron over him.
Baz is one of the most likely to be a villager imo. Think he just doesn't care.
Make the double happen.
Lofty - 7
Byron - 6
Baz - 4
Pepe - 1
Vote change from Byron to:
Byron - Baz - Pepe - Lofty
Because he is a cunt.
Twitchy bum time
This should be good.
The problem is once you're nominated once, it starts the death spiral as you come under a lot of suspicion. Lofty may well be a villager but I needed to defend myself and his logic was shaky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
Voting closed
Lofty being a Seer in 3, 2, 1...
Final scores:
Lofty - 7
Baz - 5
Byron - 5
Pepe - 1
Lofty has been lynched by the village.
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Yesssssss
AD and Baz do seem to be bang up for a double . . .
Peace out meatbags :D
:rave:
BOOM. HEADSHOT
Caps.
:drool:
That late Baz nomination for Byron further piles on the suspicion now.
Imagine if Baz is a seer, he knows both Byron and Lofty are wolves and we just messed it up for him. :D
Baz has some splainin to do.
I definitely wouldn't leave Byron off the hook just yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adramelch
It's night time. Better be careful out there.
Baz is a prize idiot but that might be his gameplan.
Also not convinced by Spoon. His vote change would be a good way for a clever wolf to guarantee themselves immunity for a few rounds if they saw the way the wind was blowing. Risky as fuck strategy wise though.
:D / :face:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
The wolves have struck.
AyDee was their victim.
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That is massive. Should be able to comb through vote records from here and see who was trying to save Lofty. Or just kill Baz.
I think the 'Baz is a seer' thread is worth pursuing.
Interesting to kill AD considering we were also considering lynching him. They're really just going for the quietest members, aren't they?
That's their big slip up. They are ON THE ROPES.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
The wolves killing one of our prime targets for us there. Cheers Fido.
Hardly mind blowing but an odd choice.
I feel less bad about switching from him to Mahow now.
Nominations are open again, obvs. I'll close them at 1pm again tomorrow with voting go on after that until 8pm.
Without that vote change you'd have been lynched instead of Lofty. There's no guarantee we would have gone for Lofty next round either if he'd escaped. It would be a pretty suicidal move for a wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byron
If we were to kill Byron and he is a wolf, then that would be great. If he is a villager, then we kill Baz next.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepe
Any major issues with that plan?
I might have one issue.
That's an interesting thought. There's this as well:
Which has just been vindicated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baz
But if it paid off then you could basically go through the game relying on that as a defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
I'm just saying we can't discount you yet.
Clearly not, given you're already calling me up on it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Byron
I nominate Vercetti (first nomination).
I'll get my nomination in early this time around as I will again probably miss the deadline tomorrow.
In a nutshell, Vercetti has been active enough to not raise suspicions, but without really offering much to the table. Mostly nominating and voting. In fact, now that we know Lofty was a wolf, their behavior was quite similar. Also, his response to Taz's death was:
which to me seems a bit like he's trying hard to convince us he's a villager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vercetti
I'm struggling to get my head around the wolves going for AD. We've come so close to lynching him twice, he kept advocating double lynches, he just seemed to be someone suspicion was going to be directed at. Am I missing something?
I would somewhat echo the idea of Byron not being above suspicion (who is etc). I was very close to voting for him myself, and was only swayed by Lofty's duplicitous fake news defence. He seems to be hiding his votes late on, where Lofty was hiding them early. As I said when I tried to analyze them, there wasn't much to separate them. Also he said that thing about lynching Bruh regardless of whether his mad musings on Mahow were true or false.
Ok, so Baz is interesting. But Baz is also Baz. Was that a deliberate attempt at a double lynching because he knows something, or was he just trying to troll?
Byron throwing Lofty under the bus gives him a pass as far as any wolf suspicion from me. Unless it was all for show? They must have known one of them was going? Did they manufacture a little rivalry to shift suspicion away from the other when one of them died? Am I paranoid? I've just closed my curtains and double locked the door anyway.
Has Jimmy gone quiet since eyes were turned on him? Something is up there, and I was expecting the wolves to nibble on him tonight. They didn't and...
I nominate Jimmy (First Nomination)
Just went back through the thread and in AD's little paragraph where he assumed SvN was a seer ( :D ), he calls out Browning. Now I had some suspicions of him the night before and nominated him but he managed to survive - I think it's worth revisiting that avenue. I know it would be pretty stupid for Browning and his wolf posse to just off someone who has clearly called you out, but he could be hoping to hide in plain sight.
I nominate Browning (first nomination).
And there's a chance that Baz is the seer.
edit: this was at @niko, fuck you guys sneaking in there
I nominate Byron (first nomination).
I know Baz is a weird one, but we cannot discount the possibility that he knew something.
Can anyone with a spreadsheet now go back and look who avoided voting for Lofty or voted for him when it was obvious he wasn’t going to die? Let’s use this information wisely now and not get too many up on the ballot.
Ok, having analyzed the votes in the last round, I have some observations:
1) Igor, Jimmy and Browning made early, against-the-tide votes for Lofty when others (Baz, Byron, Pepe) were leading the vote. Without those votes Lofty would probably never have been eventually lynched. Unless there's some deep, deep con happening, I'd saw we could put these three above suspicion for the time being.
2) When Byron voted for Lofty, the score was Byron 5, Baz 3, Lofty 3. If he was trying to save himself at that point, then it would have been equally useful to vote for either Baz and Lofty. To be honest, given Baz's popularity, at the time that might have seemed like a more likely escape. The fact that Byron chose to vote for Lofty instead of Baz was a key turning point in Lofty's eventual lynching. That, to me, is strong evidence in favor of Byron's innocence. Counterweighing this evidence is the possibility that Baz is a seer.
3) Spikey made a key vote change from Pepe to Lofty, when Byron was leading by three votes at the time. Whether he intended it or not, this precipitated the Istanbul-like comeback, which followed when I (the Didi Hamman of Werewolf) changed from Byron to Lofty, and Niko then voted Lofty to put him one vote ahead. Therefore I'd say that, while not ruling anyone out entirely, Spikey, Niko and I have pretty good evidence in our favor, in that those votes were decisive to lynching Lofty.
4) The same could be said of Adra and Pepe, who both switched from Byron to Baz after Baz had voted to make it a tie. These votes ultimately led to Lofty's lynching, although it's difficult to say whether they were motivated more by frustration with Baz or suspicion of Pepe. In Pepe's favor, he had declared himself suspicious of Lofty well before this change.
The names in bold all played a part in lynching Lofty. I'd say, at first glance, that we'd be wiser to look elsewhere for now.
In the spirit of open source, here's the heavily detailed data analysis I've been working on:
https://i.imgur.com/fxK2izz.png
Initially I'd say we could look at Thommo and Pleb as voting in an early bloc with Lofty; the early votes of 7om, Mokbull, Vercetti, and especially Scouse don't look great either, but it's not quite rock solid evidence.
Just to be honest: I voted for Byron and would have stayed at Byron. Changed my vote to Baz to avoid a double. Two reasons why I didn't change to Lofty: 1) It would make the score 6-8 which means that a simultaneous opposite switch would tie it again and 2) well Baz trying to fuck things up.
TL;DR: If Baz wasn't Baz I would have kept my vote for Byron, as I was none the wiser who it could be among the 4. So I am not sure my part in lynching Lofty (or anyone who played a similar role, like Pepe) should absolve us of suspicion.
I'd look at Scouse most closely because he decided to vote for Byron just when Lofty had drawn level with him on votes; a potential wolf-saving vote that in fact started a movement toward Byron and away from Lofty. On the other hand, his activity has been pretty solid and he even said at one point that Lofty and Byron were interchangeable for him (which, honestly, I felt the same), so I'll hold off nominating for now.
That means nothing really. Surely the wolves will be mixing it up, instead of all of them following the same strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
First of all, you wolfie fucks: have some of that, you cunts.
Now, there are some intriguing options for the next round which have been gone over well by others, but for my own part, I said during the last round that we need to be highly suspicious of anyone coming out after me. All I've done all game is bait the furry fucks and now, as predicted, their situation has turned and they need me gone. However, they obviously haven't got the balls to do it themselves and expose who they are, so they're absolutely gasping for the village to do it for them. The village needs to be careful not to be this stupid and fall into their trap. Speaking of which:
He's been after me for a few rounds and now he's dunked the nomination in early with no justification other than 'Something is up there', and 'eyes were turned on him' which I'm not sure they actually were. As he will notice, in the last round, I both nominated and then cast an early vote for our first wolf. Your stinking, canine honour, I rest my case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spikey M
I nominate Spikey (first nomination)
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Originally Posted by igor_balis
Definitely on C now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
I second the nomination of Spikey
One reason the wolves would have to kill AD is that he seconded the nomination of Lofty. Jimmy was the first.
I think Jimmy's pretty well beyond suspicion at this point and might even be the seer; although the fact that Spikey was also crucial to lynching Lofty complicates things slightly.
You know what, I'm fully on board the Spikey train. Why the fuck would you nominate Jimmy one round after he nominated the only wolf we've got so far?
It's a chance to test Jimmy's bravado too.
That's an interesting post for the archives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lofty
Had spoon posted his last 2 posts before my nomination, I wouldn't have nominated you. But nobody likes a revenge nomination Jim. Rude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
Anyway, I won't be voting for you. But you are being odd. Are you playing a character for the game? Are we supposed to be? Can In be Danny Dyer?
That's Dyer, Not Dire. Stand down.
An interesting post which demonstrates they are running not only scared, but fucking TERRIFIED.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
Because I'm not keeping track of that. He's being odd and that stood out to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
I second JimmyQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
I'm suspicious of anyone trying to control the narrative, which you definitely are. Fair play, you nominated the wolf. If you are a wolf, that's a big risk, but it's not a get out of jail free card. You've played this game enough (I'm guessing) to be confident in whatever role you have, including that of the wolf-come-villager father figure. It seems to me the only way the wolves can possibly win this game is if (a) you don't find a wolf until near the end of the game, or (b) one wolf has gained so much trust among the villagers that it wouldn't occur to anyone to off them, even at the very end. I still think we came close to catching a wolf in the leadup to the SvN kill and you decided at that point to go with (b).
Spikey is acting completely normally given how he typically posts. You're the wild card.
He nominated Lofty and voted for him to make it 2-2 when he could as easily have voted for Byron and create a bandwagon. I am not saying he's above suspicion, but we can afford to let him be for a while before reassessing the situation, especially since you'd think the seer(s) will get to investigating him sooner rather than later.
Mokbull's name vill also go on ze list.
Wolves are too scared to kill me at night as it would incriminate them, so they went for my seconder AD instead, hoping he would be the seer (RIP AD you're with the angels now). They need me off the game but they need the village to do it for them, luckily the village aren't as dense as the wolves need them to be.
You're right that I consciously changed my gameplay after the SvN death, but you think I'd do that because I was a wolf? lol. Wolves were cruising it at that point, or would have thought they were.
Why would the wolves not kill you off at night? This is exactly what I'm talking about, you have a ready-made explanation for why you're never going to get killed by themQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
And as for the second part of my genius plan, nominate (as the first nomination in the whole round, might I add) and then vote for a confirmed wolf? I mean, if you're going to put that forward as a wolf-identiying theory we might as well just all leave some raw bacon under our doormats and see who looks fat in the next round of mugshots.Quote:
Originally Posted by mugbull
As a wolf, after 5/6 (?) innocent deaths from the start of the game I wouldn't need to take that risk, I'd just carry on chin-stroking and picking them off one by one, maybe chucking in a few red herring votes to keep the group scattered, but nothing as ludicrous as what you're suggesting.
Make me proud lads.
Ludicrous :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
If you can tell we're going to lynch a wolf or two in the next couple rounds anyway, it's hardly "ludicrous"
Killing off a vocal seer is always a risk; plus, they might have assumed he'd be protected that night the way he was going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by mugbull
Jimmy's basically right, it would be crazy for the wolves to chuck one of their own onto the fire when everything else was going so smoothly. And as for being suspicious of anyone controlling the narrative: did you forget that the seers exist? They can't just hide behind silence forever.
There'd be no way to tell that though. You can't even predict who's going to get lynched when the votes are halfway through in this game, yet alone who's getting lynched tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by mugbull
Looking at Lofty's voting record, I think the only really interesting thing is the vote he cast for Browning in R3. R1 was an easy villager early (P_3), he nominated and voted early for AyDee in R2, another villager and in R3 he voted for Browning when the vote was 4-5-1-0 between Manc, Browning and whoever else was up (Pepe and Bruh). Jimmy had just changed from Browning to take him from a 3 vote lead (6-3) to a single vote (5-4) between him and Manc. In those circumstances I cannot imagine a wolf knowingly voting for another wolf to put them back ahead by 2. It would be needlessly reckless when you could easily tie it at 5-5 (knowing Manc wasn't a wolf) and no one seemed to have any strong views. From that I am of the opinion that Browning isn't a wolf
I would be interested to know if a few more wolves might not have snuck a vote in for either Browning or Manc early, under the hypothesis of them both being villagers, particularly focusing on anyone who then didn't vote for Lofty when he was on the block.
Unfortunately this is where this get less clear as there a quite a few candidates.
7om, Thommo, Pepe, Mugbull, Baz and AyDee all voted for Browning before Lofty. None of them voted for Lofty.
Vercetti, Spikey and Adra voted for Manc, with only Spikey voting for Lofty (as a vote change).
Now there is a problem in thinking there a couple of wolves in there as it's probably half the fucking field. But it's where I'm working from at the moment.
Hark, more posts.
I don't think Jimmy's a seer. At least, I don't think he has the seer role. Whether he sees things beyond that, I don't know. He could be a villager just like anyone we nominate, but if he is a wolf, the only way he's ever going to survive and not be forced to play like Lofty is by doing exactly that.
I guess it does all hinge on whether you think a wolf would nominate + vote for another wolf. If you truly don't think that could happen given the state of the game last round, then fair play. I disagree
In a world where Jimmy was a wolf I think it is much more likely that, were they to use that type of strategy (nominate and vote out of not much), it would be him that would be nominated. He would have to imagine the seers are going to be interested in him as a 'brand name poster' so unless they were to fluke the seer (or seers) out early doors he wouldn't be getting to the end.
'Brand name poster', that's getting printed on the side of my Octavia.
I'd love to take the credit but someone else used it (I think in this thread) first.
My further quantum crunching has decided I am now most suspicious of Vercetti and 7om, both got an early vote in on Browning (2nd vote for him,4th overall) and Manc (2nd vote for him, 9th overall) respectively and then voted Byron early in the Lofty round before getting the fuck out.
Thommo also put an early vote in on Browning, but he did nominate him, and he voted for Baz when the Byron train was leaving the station. Muggers not above suspicion as well, given his Jimmy nomination and general record.
Some of the other suspects have indulged in the sort of mad shit I wouldn't associate with a wolf - being part of that Mahow madness (Pepe), Adra made a clever switch to avoid the chance of an easy double last time and I feel he is on the level, Spikey had a late switch to Lofty.
I'd be ok with Vercetti and/or Zom as candidates. With that said, I hope that we do not ignore the whole Baz/Byron thing.
Maybe we should say that if Baz wants to nominate Byron, then Baz should nominate Byron?
I'd completely missed the fact that Thommo has nominated Browning AGAIN.
He must really not like that guy. He's firmly back in the alarm bells category.
The current slate of candidates looks pretty dreadful, so this doesn't promise to be a great round, imo.
I'm going to second Vercetti (1st nomination Adra).
Niko is thinking very much along the same lines as me with some of those names there. I would be happy to see an assortment of them up for the next vote. The only ones I wouldn't vote for would be Pepe (since nominating him I've come to the conclusion that he wouldn't have been stupid enough to change votes the way he did and draw attention to himself) and Baz (he is, almost certainly, the village idiot and nothing more).
I don't have a spreadsheet, but those who piled on me/Mahow early as well as those who didn't help us kill Lofty would be where I look. Anyone who ticks 2 out of 3 of those boxes has got to be worth hearing a defense from.
That's about right. I nominated Byron early doors and then followed up on it by voting for him too. In both the nominations and voting stages I said my reasoning for Byron could just as easily apply to Lofty. I would have probably nominated Lofty instead of Byron this morning if someone else hadn't beaten me to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
I've nominated him again because he was on my radar early and got away with it when in the vote with Manc, in my eyes. Manc was clearly not interested and so the village decided to get rid of the inactive, but I think Browning got away easy there.
He did vote for Lofty last round, but AD brought up some suspicions with him before he was eaten by the wolves, and it just made me wonder. Hence the nomination.
Edit: In response to niko.
I don't know, I'm still behind my hunch on Vercetti. I am of course working with limited evidence, but something just strikes me weird with his posting patterns.
On the Baz/Byron thing: Would a seer in exchange for a wolf be seen as a favourable trade from the wolves' perspective? Because if so, in the event that Byron is a wolf, surely they'd have killed Baz? If it's not seen as a favourable trade of course, they wouldn't because that would lead to Byron getting lynched.
Mugbull is your man by this criteria. 3rd vote for Mahow (3rd vote to be cast as the first 3 all went to him), 4th vote for you (6th vote cast), nominated and voted for Pepe last time (1st vote, 2nd overall).Quote:
Originally Posted by Browning
I nominated Browning in the second round, and initially voted for him, but he put up a very convincing defence so I switched my vote to Manc. As niko pointed out, there's no way Lofty is going to open up a vote lead for Browning if he's a wolf when Manc is there. They probably looked at the two players, thought Browning would be the stronger asset to the village and tried to get him gone.
They failed, of course, because they are fucking useless.
That's a wolf-suspicious post if I ever saw one. Bricking it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mugbull
Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
I nominate Mugbull- 1st nomination
Honestly I was fairly sure that was who it was anyway from skimming the thread earlier, but Niko doing the leg work helps. Him going for Jimmy after he served up Lofty's head on a platter just seals the deal.
The amount of detective work on this page alone :drool:
This game gets approximately 100x better once you get the first wolf.
I second the nomination of Mugbull
For his voting history detailed above (good work fellas) and for his borderline conspiratorial pursuit of Jimmy.
So that means we have Spikey, Mugball, Jimmy and Vercetti up for voting.
Meanwhile Browning and I have one nomination but not a second.
I can only assume the killing of AyDee was to force suspicion on people who have been vocal for his lynching because there were far better targets, whether you wanted to off a quieter one (Pleb or Vercetti would have fit that bill) or off someone who's been active (like Jimmy or Niko). Looking through the thread for comments on AyDee, there's a lot of people who have suggested killing him but no-one who has been pushing hard to kill him. Looking through;
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Originally Posted by ScousePig
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Originally Posted by Pepe
Then we have his further vote for me when it was 6-4 to me, which was only 51 minutes after Spoon voted. That would have probably been it for me had I not decided to start defending myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepe
I nominate Pepe (first nomination)
Regards AD, I reckon they went for him because they feared he might be the seer, has anyone looked into other nominations/votes of his?
I think he only nominated once (Pepe R1) and voted for P_3, 7om/Mahow, Browning and Lofty. Might be wrong on the nomination bit though.
I can't see anything alarming in those facts alone, although he may have said things which spooked them. I still find it an odd choice.
I also don't know why (as the seer) you'd be looking to investigate Lofty - if it were me I'd have done the most active players first like Taz, me, niko, Spikey etc to build a picture.
Everything points to the wolfy wolves being morons. We've got them rope-a-doping already.
I knew I'd get put on the list with that post.
If our strategy is purely to relitigate old votes, then:
- I voted for Browning despite nominating Manc because I came around to the idea that Manc was a jaded villager and Browning was the next best option there.
- I didn't vote for Lofty because at this point, after the previous round, I became highly suspicious of Pepe, and still am - though it appears (with a couple exceptions) that no one is interested in putting him on the list again, which is a mistake imo.
My intent in nominating Jimmy was to at least start a discussion about him, when it seemed like everyone bar Spikey had reached the conclusion that he is untouchable. That can't happen and it looks like nobody is taking the idea seriously. If we're basing our suspicions entirely around level 1 voting patterns then the wolves are going to win, because all they need to do is vote for themselves every now and then and we're just going to keep lynching villagers who deviated from crowd prescriptions
There’s a difference between:
1) a wolf voting for another wolf and
2) a wolf chucking a wolf to his death when he has come under zero suspicion whatsoever and the town haven’t got a single clue to go on.
I guess my point is that even though Lofty hadn't come under any suspicion, it's possible we were nominating a couple wolves and sentiment was shifting against those people (and other wolves), and so it was quite likely that a wolf would be lynched regardless. For instance, let's say that Byron-Pepe-Lofty are all wolves. Once those nominations were made, one of them would have been lynched no matter what, since Baz is another jaded villager. Of course the wolves wouldn't know that those would be the eventual nominations for that round when Jimmy made his Lofty nom, but you could expect that, with a 50% probability, a wolf would be lynched. And Jimmy would have very likely been on the chopping block after that. To me it would be sensible, albeit risky, for a wolf to do a first nomination of another wolf to take charge of the situation and prevent the dominos from falling in the next round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Browning
I'm not saying with any certainty that Byron and Pepe are definitely wolves, but treating this is a batshit conspiracy theory is misguided
Voting patterns are hardly going to be conclusive, probably at any point, but I think there is a fairly compelling case for Browning not being a wolf, and if you believe that (and also know Manc was a villager) then I also think there's a decent chance a wolf or two chucked in an early vote for one of those when they were up for the vote. It doesn't narrow the field much, but it does a bit.
'the wolves are going to win if...' sounds a bit desperate to me. All they've managed to do so far is kill mainly quiet villagers and one doctor. They're not doing great at all at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by mugbull
I find the game a bit trickier not knowing how many players are in each role. Do we usually know this?
Reminder
Nominations close at 1pm.
Nominations closed
Spikey - nominated by Jimmy, seconded by Igor.
Jimmy - nominated by Spikey, seconded by Mugbull.
Vercetti - nominated by Adramelch, seconded by Niko.
Mugbull - nominated by Browning, seconded by Spoonsky.
Nominated but not seconded:
Browning - nominated by Thommo.
Byron - nominated by Pepe.
Pepe - nominated by Byron.
Spikey - Jimmy - Vercetti - Mugbull
Spikey - Jimmy - Vercetti - Mugbull
Sticking with my nomination for now. His voting pattern is dodgy as fuck and to be honest his defense just makes me more dubious.
That said I could see reasons to look at any of the 3. Anyone voting for Jimmy is an idiot.
Spikey - Jimmy - Vercetti - Mugbull
Jimmy gets a temporary pass for the reasons that Spoonsky et al have outlined (although we shouldn't just assume he's innocent). Mugbull's vocal opposition against Jimmy looks like a weird move for a wolf to make. So it's Spikey and Vercetti left and between the two I'll just stick with my nomination and my hunch.
Spikey - Jimmy - Vercetti - Mugbull
Some proper roles amongst that lot.
I'm in two minds. There could be a danger of a Mokbull procession (and I'd be more inclined to sway towards voting him than Jimmy in their little stand off) which isn't really helpful, and there have been a few question marks over Spikey in the past. We potentially gain the least from killing Vercetti, but that's mainly due to activity levels from all four.
Spikey - Jimmy - Vercetti - Mugbull
As above. I don't think jimmy would either be as stupid or as reckless to play the game like he has if he was a wolf, and my gut says he's got some extra intel guiding his decisions.
I'll be honest lads, I've lost interest, so you can lynch me if you I like. I probably won't be chipping in much anymore anyway.
It would be a wasted kill though.
I'm not really sure about this one. I reckon it's even possible that all three of them could be wolves and I also think that the wolfish votes may come later in the piece here as they try to work out how to keep their man alive or, even, avoid a double-lynching (how the tables have turned, eh, wolf scum).
Guess I'll stick with my nomination for now but might change later.
Spikey - Jimmy - Vercetti - Mugbull
Spikey - Jimmy - Vercetti - Mugbull
People have made some valid points about Jimmy and i'll switch my vote to self-preserve if I have to, but I'm gonna have to go with my gut here
Do we have subs? If that little princess is going to play it like that, we could maybe replace her.
Spikey's vote change in the last round was a fairly significant catalyst towards Lofty's lynching. That doesn't really sit right with me as a marker of him being a wolf.
With this current selection, I don't think one of them has been completely wolf-ish, nor has one matched votes or nominations often. Spikey may be pulling a fast one with his claim of losing interest, in order to keep himself alive in the background. It's very close between him and mokbull though - his tirade against Jimmy was a little much. That edges it for me.
Spikey - Jimmy - Vercetti - Mugbull
Unless Byron is also a wolf, that is. @niko
Yeah, but wouldn't another wolf then have changed to Byron - as he was quite far ahead at that point? Putting another wolf into the mix would be mad. They could easily have been double lynched. That'd be some sell to your fellow wolves - sorry boys, I'm building myself some bulletproof cover and you're both going under the bus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adramelch
It's possible he also voted thinking it wouldn't swing as much as it did. I think every one of the nominees has done something so far that we could isolate to show they aren't a wolf, and equally, they've done something fishy (some more than others).
Spikey - Jimmy - Vercetti - Mugbull
Fits the Lofty mould of "just active enough without actually doing anything".
Not sure where I stand on the Jimmy - mugbull feud, so I will let it aside for now.
How have any of the other selections been any different?Quote:
Originally Posted by thommo
The wolves have lost it behind the scenes, here.
What's the situation with Bruh? Still an active player I assume?
Bruh and Spikey should be mod-killed, really. Or I’ll take over :cool:
I nominate Waff.
There was 2 or 3 votes in it and presumably not all 4 of them were wolves, so why would I switch from a wolf to another wolf? Wolf politics?Quote:
Originally Posted by thommo
Also bare in mind that my 'fishy' act was to nominate Jimmy for acting odd. Which I'm not alone in noting (one of the others being Lofty isn't ideal) and I climbed down upon having Jimmy's track record pointed out to me.
Spikey - Jimmy - Vercetti - Mugbull
I change my vote from Spikey
Spikey - Jimmy - Vercetti - Mugbull
Current standings:
Vercetti - 4
Spikey - 2
Mugbull - 2
Jimmy - 1
8 left to vote.
Spikey - Jimmy - Vercetti - Mugbull
I'm not certain he's a wolf by any means, but I think he's the most likely based on the reasons outline on the previous page.
I'm fairly sold on either Vercetti or Mugbull, but Spikey suddenly losing interest after whooping Lofty's demise less than 24 hours ago seems a bit off. Not the first player to suddenly 'lose interest' either. Bruh and Baz have gone the same way. It's a bit odd.
There's still seven left to vote so it seems like quite a few are losing interest.
Nah, just waiting to see which way the wind is blowing. Full ballot of votes yesterday bar Bruh.
You can change your votes. Get them in, you fannies.
Meh. It's just getting a bit boring, plus It's monday. I have very little interest in anything right now. 90% sure I'm actually depressed at this point. But anyway, if you want to somehow read something into me taking part in the lynching of a wolf whilst simultaneously getting bored then have at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
Meh, just sayin'.
I'm happy to stick with Vercetti for now.
Spikey - Jimmy - Vercetti - Mugbull
Spikey - Jimmy - Vercetti - Mugbull
Been a bit under the weather today. Sorry for the inactivity.
I think Spikey is on point with it being Monday playing its part.
Vercetti - 5
Spikey - 3
Mugbull - 3
Jimmy - 1
With Pleb, Byron, Vercetti, Bruh and Baz left to vote, if I am not mistaken.
I've felt a bit 'meh' today, for what it's worth. In general I mean, not for the game.
We might not see Baz or Bruh again, so that's a couple of votes down.
This is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adramelch
I think we should also put some pressure on Igor. He's the one with the least posts in the thread at this moment and has flown completely under the radar. He did vote for Lofty last round and it was the first vote for him at that moment, but the score was 2-2 between Byron and Pepe so it could be the perfect point for a wolf to hide, possibly thinking it's a dead vote.
He might well be a seer of course, but that's always a possibility when the "silent" argument is used sadly.
Spikey - Jimmy - Vercetti - Mugbull
Baz to swing by for a stab at a 7.59 double lynch.
Or not.
Vercetti - 5
Spikey - 4
Mugbull - 3
Jimmy - 1
8 minutes left.
It's eerily quiet in here.
Spikey - Jimmy - Vercetti - Mugbull
Somebody get muggers in for the treble. I had it all queued up.
Voting is closed
Lol
You ain't nothing but a slag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vercetti
:lol:
Final scores:
Vercetti - 5
Spikey - 5
Mugbull - 3
Jimmy - 1
If he is a wolf it would make sense to wait until the very last moment to take a civilian down with him. I blame Baz for setting it all up (even though I'm fairly convinced he's a villager and he just wants to stir shit up).
No more Seer for you lot. You fucking idiots.
That's a wolf move if I've ever seen one. Well done lads, you've nabbed one.
Double lynch!
Spikey has been lynched.
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Vercetti has been lynched.
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Shiiii
That's a good result all in all.
Avenge me.
If I die I'll leave the village my spreadsheet.
I don't want to take all the credit, but I will anyway. :youpi:
His post on Taz's death was the big giveaway for me.
You cunt. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Spikey M
The wolves aren't just on the ropes, they're halfway into the front row and hanging on for dear life.
Fucking lol that they've been sitting in their sordid, pathetic little den for hours waiting for 7.59 so Pards could even things up for damage limitation.
Is Baz just a disgruntled villager? Or hiding his wolf ways behind that guise?
2 in 2 days is a top result, no matter what.
Pepe, Igor and possibly 7om to be the rest of the wolves. Heard it here first.
Baz's voting record is very dodgy indeed. Nearly saved Lofty yesterday and nearly saved Vercetti today, still managing to set up the double lynch. And his silence and outer show of apathy - while still voting every round - is suspicious.
I don't want to waste a day kicking out someone who just turns out to be a villager messing with the system, but otherwise it's a very ballsy wolf play that is almost paying off.
I don't know, that would be a ridiculously risky move for a wolf to make, but maybe they're betting on that?
I've already mentioned my thoughts on 7om (quiet and started posting more when I called him out on it) and Igor (least posts, completely flown under the radar). As for Pepe he said that:
The proceeded to vote for Byron when he was already 2 votes ahead. Then joked about swapping from Byron to Lofty when the score was 7-5 but never did. In the end, he swapped from Byron to Baz, after I'd already broken the tie. Suspicious behavior if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepe
Baz and Mugbull guilty as sin.
Baz was showing concern. That’s as big a sign he’s acting than anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
They're going to need to be playing some next level 4D chess to bring it back from here, but sadly for them I'm playing 5D chess and pushing hard for 6D by tomorrow.
I've heard 5D causes coronavirus.
Alright the guy voted for a 2nd wolf
The wolves have struck
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Tonight the wolves have chosen:
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Oof, bad day to be a wolf, innit? I guess it evens out the Spikey lynching in terms of numbers.
On the ropes. :drool:
Pahahahahaha.
Get back to your smelly fucking den, wolfie boys, tails between your fucking legs. You come at the king, you best not miss.
:harold:
Never in doubt.
Get your nominations in.
Same drill, close nominations at 1pm tomorrow. Close voting at 8pm.
Let's discuss numbers here. There is a 2nd doctor. This to me almost certainly means that there will also be more than 1 seer (but they work as a team in terms of investigations, as I assume was the case with the doctors too). With 2 of each, plus the 1 hunter (doubt there will more than 1), I think it's a reasonable assumption that there's no less than 5 wolves in total to even the odds. Possibly even 6 but that might be pushing it a bit.
14 players left, think it's safe to assume at least 3 of them are wolves.
The process of elimination should do it from here.
15 actually. I was going to nominate Pepe for the reasons I mentioned earlier, but he did vote for Vercetti this round at a point where the score was Spikey 3-1 Vercetti so if he voted for Spikey it would have possibly snowballed from there. I think that earns him a bit more time.
mokbull is wolf central, you could see the life draining out of him as that last round went on.
I still feel he was too aggressive which would be a quite risky move.
Covering his tracks to appear that he supports Jimmy just before we were to find out his true identity (which only a wolf would have known).Quote:
Originally Posted by mugbull
Coincidence?
I nominate mugbull (first nomination).
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
Could someone post a brief description of what each role can do? Obviously villager/wolf I get.
Hunter/doctor/seer - what’s their roles about? What’s protected as well? Basically a terminator?
I don’t think he’s ever played before so I wouldn’t look too much into thought process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adramelch
The wolves are a mess.
From the OP. It's the wolves against everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boydy
Nah, not really. Just accepting i was wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
A very convenient time to accept you were wrong.
Pepe has got to be a wolf at this point.
Also apologies for inactivity, work was just a conference today.
I had probably about 10 minutes to know I was wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
I don't get where the suspicion of Pepe is coming from. He had key votes to lynch Lofty (by switching from Byron) and now Vercetti (2nd vote when Spikey already had 3 and might have run away with it if he'd received a 4th vote).
:D See you later Mokkers.
Rather than just wasting a day, there's probably quite a bit of probing we can do now.
Having not read the OP I had no idea there were multiple doctors or seers.
Ok boys, at the risk of becoming Bruhnaldo and accusing half the village, I present thommo:
His first handful of posts had barely anything to do with the game, mostly making fun of Bruh. First meaningful post was his vote for AD in the first round. We now know AD was a villager, but in fairness it was the first round and we had fuck all to go with (also the nominations were 4 confirmed villagers and Bruhnaldo). In the 2nd round he heavily pushed for Manc, who again turned out to be a villager (lynched in the 3rd round after that). In that 3rd round he nominated Browning (Manc was already seconded or else he would have gone for him according to his post) and voted for him even though Manc was on the ballot. Went quiet after that and came to vote early for Baz in the 4th round (the one with Lofty on the ballot). With the score at Byron 6-4 Lofty he says that:
Which with a bit of tinfoil hatting could be seen as an attempt to scare people away from voting Lofty so that they don't get victimized for swinging the vote. When Baz came in and attempt a double he said:Quote:
Originally Posted by thommo
Possible last ditch attempt to save a fellow wolf? In fairness though, most of us had the same thought. Last round he nominated Browning again (who, mind you, voted for Lofty fairly early on when the score was Byron 3 - Pepe 2 - Lofty 2). When niko called him out on it, his response:Quote:
Originally Posted by thommo
Not very convincing if you ask me. Since Browning wasn't seconded he voted for mugbull.Quote:
Originally Posted by thommo
Probably not the best constructed post, but there you have it. With that in mind:
I nominate thommo (first nomination).
PS: I also found this gem by Baz:
10/10 guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baz
I think the plural is deliberate on the OP so that it's not obvious if there's more than 1. I doubt there's more than 1 hunter for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
Fuck me, what a result. :cool:
These wolves are havin' a 'mare. Let's get this over with in the next couple of days.
Looking at the list of players, igor balls will have to come under fire at some point.
Yeah, maybe, although he did vote for Lofty in the previous round (albeit early).
Quite a few people didn't vote for either of the wolves.
From my earlier musings about people who voted for Manc or Browning in R3, of which Vercetti was a candidate (and voted Manc) I wonder if another of the wolves would have snuck one in on Browning around the same time (I'm still assuming he's a villager - even though he's managed to not vote for either of the [confirmed] wolves in the past two rounds). 7om, Thommo and Mugbull fall into that category. Baz also does, but voted much later. He does present a bit of a problem though as he seems intent on creating multiple lynching situations. I reckon there's possibly a couple more in that selection.
Baz just can't be arsed and probably wants this thing wrapped up. Speaking of which:
I nominate Mokbull (second nomination)
Let's get one or two others and at least make it worthwhile.
Nominated and seconded:
Mugbull - nominated by Spoonsky, seconded by ScousePig.
Nominated but not yet seconded:
Thommo - nominated by Adramelch.
Come on lads.
I'll almost certainly be standing by my vote from the last round, but in the interest of actually having a game to play....
I nominate Thommo (second nomination)
Because fuck you, that's why.
I'll be honest, those 2 are my top 2 candidates, so while I'm sticking by my theory that, based on his voting pattern, Mugbull is the wolfiest wolf that ever wolfed, I wouldn't be heartbroken to see Thommo go. He's had it in for me from day one, and the fact he's tried to frame me using wolf kills as his evidence screams even louder that he could be the wolf and that could have been the plan. This in turn further incriminates Mugbull though, because he was one of the ones trying to lead that charge.
I never led any charge against you
What i meant was you were one of the ones who turned up early to vote for me to die in what definitely felt like a wolf plot after they had offed SvN to try and incriminate me (thommo would later allude to this being the plan when he nominated me again, and failed miserably).
You also turned up early to off Mahow, who we know to be innocent. And you failed to vote out either of the wolves who have died so far.
I chose you for no reason other than that you were on the shortlist the previous round
Interesting that you would second me Browning, seemingly as only for a bit of revenge. I voted for you twice because you were acting pretty suspiciously early on, with little activity and safe votes. Granted, those suspicions have since been allayed somewhat with your voting of Lofty and mokbull (who I agree is the most likely wolf left in the village), but at the time a number of people were calling you out for your actions, not just me.
As I said, mokbull looks a safe choice right now. However, I am also pretty worried about the possibility of Baz remaining as a wolf wildcard, doing as he pleases. Two days in a row he has come in with late votes in an attempt to swing the vote away from a wolf, and I think it's worthy of at least a nomination and discussion.
I nominate Baz (first nomination).
I’m not a wolf. Don’t waste your time.
A bloody mischievous one though.
I nominate 7om (first nomination)
I think he has questions to answer as much as the other current candidates.
Bit of a poor show lads.
Just thommo and mokbull? :harold:
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Mugbull - Thommo
I think they're both pretty guilty, but muggers more so.
Mugbull - Thommo
Mugbull - Thommo
Yep.
This is going to drag to an end, isn't it?
Ffs.
I don't know, I feel we might be wasting our time with mugbull, in the sense that his behavior in the last couple of rounds is way too aggressive for a wolf, especially with the whole Jimmy situation. Spoonsky brought up that it's his first time playing the game (although I vaguely remember him playing in the old board if I'm honest) which would explain it, but surely the other wolves would have reined him in. So the only possibility I see for him being a wolf is for him to consciously be going for a "hide in plain sight" strategy. That said, I will be sticking with my vote:
Mugbull - thommo
Wait, what?
Well, having two is not too bad, especially if we get lucky and one turns out to be a wolf.
Mugbull - Thommo
Going for the quiet-but-not-too-quiet ones has served us well so far, so I will stick to the same tactic. I get the feeling that mugbull will be back on the voting slate soon if he survives, while thommo could skirt undetected if he survives the day.
Having just two isn't bad if I'm honest. Shows that we have more solid leads/hunches than just throwing accusations around. It's also less room for the wolves to hide their votes, although they could still if they play it correctly.
Mugbull - Thommo
I think these are both fairly likely to be wolves but Thommo has been weirder.
Mugball - Thommo
Wait, is that an option?
Mugbull - Thommo
Glad it's not all falling apart in my absence dickheads. :face:
:saywhat:
The other wolves have given up on Mokbull. I'd almost rather find out about Thommo, especially given some of his strange behaviour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adramelch
Mugbull - Thommo
Mugbull - Thommo
I'm a little bemused how anything I have done so far can be perceived as weird or strange. We shouldn't waste this vote today - we may have the wolves on the ropes but there's a very strong possibility that mokbull is another, and we should get him out while we have the chance.
Mugbull - Thommo
Seems a bit weird and strange.
Can we get a double lynch in honour of Bobby Sands please
Mugbull - 5
Thommo - 5
5 left to vote.
Mugbull
I mean they are both different flavours of shit sandwich.
Having voted for him, my concern with Mugbull is that, maybe by trying to kill Jimmy in the last round the wolves were trying to frame him after their minor stoush.
I’m not a wolf
I'm inclined to believe you but am going to keep my powder dry to see if any shenanigans develop.
Well there you have it, lads. Let's move on to the next target.Quote:
Originally Posted by mugbull
I don't know, the lack of a full stop at the end of that seems highly suspicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepe
Mugbull - Thommo
I like Pepe's reasoning. Mokbull is at least out in the open, almost everyone is suspicious of him, and he'd be easy to lynch later; but Thommo is more of a mystery.
That said it is very shit to only have two candidates because you don't learn a ton about voting patterns.
Mugbull - 6
Thommo - 6
How many left to vote?
Three.
Although one is Bruhnaldo, I dunno if he's coming back or what.
I’m going to come across as biased as I’m involved in this vote, but why would we get rid of someone who “is a mystery” as opposed to the villager we strongly suspect is a wolf and has been pretty questionable for the past 3 nights or more?
Once mokbull goes, we can glean who the other wolves are from who voted for me and followed his ideas on previous votes.
7om, Baz and Bruh I reckon.
@thommo: Whatever you say wolf.
Edit: 7om to vote for Mugbull to save his fellow wolf (unless Mugbull is also a wolf) and then Baz to tie it up for a double lynch. The whole thing is scripted.
Aye, there's a good chance. Looking back though some earlier pages (around nominations leading into the Mahow lynching) 7om said some fairly shady stuff in the light of SVN being a Doc and Jimmy ostensibly not being a wolf at the very least.
Thommo also sitting right in there at Pards/Lofty activity levels.
Ye I'm looking at 7om and Igor next (depending on what we get this round of course), although I would have expected the wolves to spread a bit more in terms of activity and we haven't gotten a highly active one yet.
If mokbull is a wolf and we have a double lynching, I suppose it's not a wasted night overall. Bit of a shame to be considered dispensable for the greater good though.
:sherlock:Quote:
Originally Posted by thommo
Mugbull - Thommo
Hopefully this switch thwarts rather than facilitates a double:
Vote change from Mugbull to Thommo
Mugbull - Thommo
Buckle up :drool:
Voting closed
Thommo - 8
Mugbull - 5
Thommo has been lynched.
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Lordy.
:joy:
His defense made it even more obvious, really.
boom boom boom
That photo pushed out a little turd from within me
Wasn’t sure I was allowed to post but 100%. Very flimsy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adramelch
https://scx2.b-cdn.net/gfx/news/hire...lveshowlbe.jpg
Another victim has been claimed.
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Genuinely don’t know what I did that was suspicious, but I guess that’s what happens in your first game!
Unlucky Adra, good game. I guess the powers that be are probably still protecting Jimmy rather than us schlubs doing all the legwork.
7om online but didn't bother voting at the end?
I was pretty convinced that Adra was the seer. What a player.
Was hoping I would get protected, but it was obvious I was a goner. Don't think I've ever played anywhere near as good as that on a villager role.
Good game? What a player? Played as good as that? What you on about?
People always overrate their own contribution in these things, you have to as it's your only frame of reference, you remember what you say (well, some of it, the good bits) ahead of what others say. That said, nominating and securing the lynching of consecutive wolves is a good effort even if you can't do it all on your own.
What niko said, as opposed to my other villager games, where if memory serves me well I suspected the wrong people like 90% of the time.
I nominate Pleb
Voted for neither wolf.
What are the numbers now? 13 players, probably 2 wolves and at least one seer, and another doctor? We should get them from here. Half the field is basically confirmed innocent.
This. MVP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
Is that three in a row? What a donning this is.
The only confirmed innocent players I can see (ignoring the fact that everyone knows their own status) are Jimmy (as presumably the wolves can't try to off one of their own on the off chance the doc will protect them) and Browning after my previous thoughts about him added to Thommo's relentless pursuit. I think that'd have to be a pretty Keyser Soze level scheme for him to be a wolf. Are we to believe there are no active wolves and they are all hiding in the lower mid-table posting positions?
And then there's bruh.
I've never seen it happen before. Bravo :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepe
Lol if Bruh is a wolf and he’s just fucked off playing the biggest bluff.
bruh - zombie
7om - suspicious
Baz - ???
Browning - innocent
Byron - suspicious, probably
Igor - barely seems to post, has stuck up for me but doesn't prove anything, could have been diversifying as the others tried to get me lynched
Jimmy - innocent
mokbull - suspicious
niko - seemingly innocent as pointing out the Lofty vote for Browning two rounds ago was not something a wolf would do - that said, surprised the wolfies haven't gone for him yet, but they are useless
Pepe - I think he's innocent, personally, would be some pretty next-level black ops if he isn't
Pleb - who knows
ScousePig - could be suspicious, I guess, could be the wolf that's been hiding voting for other wolves
Spoonsky - feels village to me
You whatQuote:
Originally Posted by mugbull
You okay there wolf?Quote:
Originally Posted by Baz
Six-way lynch? We're bound to turn up two of the bastards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
7om, Byron and mokkers would seem the three most suspicious to me, so we should probably get one of them up.
How are people overlooking Pleb?
Look at his voting.
:drool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
He won't be overlooked much longer. Zom doesn't look any better off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baz
7om and Byron for me right now.
I nominate 7om (first nomination)
There's enough going against him over the course of the game, especially early on, for him to be under the spotlight now. Hasn't voted for a wolf at any point.
What was their strategy, anyway? Let's all try and contribute just enough to go quietly under the radar?
Unless Bruh was their dedicated spokesperson...
Looking at Pleb's voting record, and, now, I know this is Pleb, but wouldn't it be the height of fucking negligence for a wolf not to bother voting in the round one of their number dies by a single vote (or not even that in Pards' case)?
Must be fun trying to explain that one away.
Let's not overlook the fact that, when faced with a Wolf Vs Wolf ballot, Thommo finally crawled away in defeat in his match up with me and tried to chuck Baz into the flames instead, presumably because he hoped the village would be dumb enough to off the village idiot for not contributing Vs him or his mate.
Yeah, I wanted him on the ballot last time and definitely agree there's enough to ask some questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
I nominate 7om (second nomination).
Seems pretty much nailed on that he's a wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waffdon
I can imagine once this game finishes he'll fool us by coming back to the forum saying he's a villager or something batshit crazy as that.
Elaborate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Baz
To be fair I've missed a few votes yes due to work commitments.Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
Looking at me right now is not worth your time or energy.
Nominating now as I’ll be asleep when the deadline comes.
I nominate Byron (first nomination).
His only vote for a wolf was Lofty, when he himself was up for the chop and largely acting in self-preservation. And his posts have smelled like canine to me - the same quiet but not too quiet tone the others were playing at. I’m not convinced he’s a wolf but he’s not a bad shout to have up.
Let’s try and avoid a 2-person vote again, too.
Voted for me when Lofty the wolf was lynched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pleb
Didn’t vote when Vercetti the wolf was lynched.
Voted for mugbull when thommo the wolf was lynched.
Aka has never voted for a wolf. Because you are a wolf, Pleb. I nominated you in round 2 because I suspected it then but now it is 100% confirmed.
Get him, boys.
Nailed on that Bruh's a wolf? This is the kind of thing wolves say that give them away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pleb
Could Bruh be a wolf and his whole disappearance an elaborate ploy? Yes. Nailed on? Not a chance.
I nominate Pleb (second nomination).
I doubt Pleb is a wolf. If that came up on Boydy's randomiser he'd have given it another spin.
Baz might be though.
7om's voting record, and general contributions earlier in the piece are far more suspicious than Pleb's. He was also on Adra's radar and he was on a roll (as was Igor).
I find Baz's reasons for going after Pleb a bit tenuous, but then, maybe he doesn't want to be too explicit.
I'd love to hear some more reasoning for me being a wolf beyond 'lol he's not really active'
Baz had the chance to vote for me or thommo when the votes were tied with 10 minutes to go and chose thommo. If he's a wolf, that's an even riskier ploy than the one I was suggesting Jimmy was onto. Doubt it.
I think we could do worse than getting rid of 7om and/or Byron and narrowing down the potential names for missing wolf #2. To that end:
I nominate Byron (2nd nomination)
However, if you're in WE WANT FOUR, WE WANT FOUR mode.... you all know who missing wolf #1 is.
Nominated:
Byron - nominated by Spoonsky, seconded by Browning.
7om - nominated by Jimmy, seconded by Niko.
Pleb - nominated by Baz, seconded by ScousePig.
There are currently no unseconded nomintions.
17 minutes left.
Nominations closed
Byron - 7om - Pleb
Worked in the last three rounds, tbf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byron
Byron - 7om - Pleb
Well done guys you got at least two of us as wolves.
Ain't no way that I'm being Plebrolled.
I'm tempted to give Baz the benefit of the doubt and go after Pleb, but on the proviso that if it turns out he was talking shite, we get him up for nomination tomorrow.
I think we're going to find that all wolves are 'non-prominent' members of the board, for want of a better phrase. Which should theoretically make the game a bit trickier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
I think Boydy has just randomised.
Byron - 7om - Pleb
You're all prominent members to me.
I’ll nominate myself if Pleb isn’t a wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by igor_balis
Byron - 7om - Pleb
Byron - 7om - Pleb
Byron strikes me as more believable than 7om. Pleb could be a wolf but I doubt it. Honestly if he is then we've just got unlucky with relying on the one guy who never breaks character to break character
I'm coming round to the idea that maybe Baz is the seer. He investigated AyDee early when Taz kept demanding it, and finding him innocent, tried to save him and just gambled on Mahow being a wolf. This theory probably falls apart somewhere, but without going through all the votes and posts, and considering all 3 of these are much of a muchness....
Byron - 7om - Pleb
I dare you all to make it a triple :drool:
Neither Byron, nor Pleb voted in the round Pards died. I find that very hard to understand if either of them were a wolf, unless, I suppose, one was supposed to not vote and the other one spackced it up by also not voting (I'll leave you to work out who did what in that scenario).
Baz is intriguing. His allegations against Pleb's voting record seem pretty flimsy, but maybe he has access to better knowledge. However, if that were the case, he also seemed to be keen to bop Byron off in the Lofty round so was that also based on better knowledge?
I still think, of the three, the most compelling case is against 7om so I'm voting for him for now, even though it leaves things fairly precariously poised.
Byron - 7om - Pleb
Byron - 7om - Pleb
What's the count? Seems close.
2-3-2
6 left, including Bruh.
That's enough for me, but you're getting fucked up tomorrow if youre bullshitting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baz
Byron - 7om - Pleb
Byron - 7om - Pleb
Would be good for Baz to put his money where his mouth is.
Byron - 2
7om - 3
Pleb - 4
4 left to vote.
13 minutes left.
Pleb as a wolf would make for better alphabetical spacing (as opposed to the last three names by that order being wolves if 7om were one).
Sad to see the game wither down like this.
How do we feel about a double lynch here? I feel between 7om and Pleb we're bound to turn up at least one wolf.
I'm up for anything at this point.
Byron - 7om - Pleb
Scenes.
Pleb has a Byron vote he could switch so you need to be careful with any double plans.
Oof.
So, at the moment, Pleb and 7om are going down and neither has voted to save themselves?
Note that I'm intentionally abstaining here, unlike other times where I got busy and missed the vote.
:sherlock:
Hang on, has 7om not voted this round?
Don't think so.
We're probably about to roll two villagers.
:wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pleb
Now this is just bizarre. Why wouldn't you save yourself?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pleb
Added time.
:drool:
Voting closed
Because memes.
:harold:
Did we just mistake two utterly useless villagers for wolves? :face:
Byron - 2
7om - 4
Pleb - 4
If Pleb's one of two remaining wolves (which I doubt), the other wolf is going to incinerate him.
Nah, we got this...
Double lynch!
Pleb has been lynched.
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7om has been lynched.
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ffs
:D
At this point, about half of the players have special roles. :D
Lulz.
:lol:
Time to explain yourself Baz.
Barry the fish with fingers not much of a fucking seer then?
Go on then.Quote:
Originally Posted by igor_balis
I'm still a little suspicious of Byron; but it's looking more and more like these last wolves might have some deep cover.
At this point, I do need to wonder if Jimmy is playing a lone wolf strategy.
Curious to see who they off.
If niko's a fucking wolf I'll have Guernsey fucking wiped out.
That would be pretty great, but it would require the wolves to choose to kill one of their own at night and hope that he got protected by the doctor. Sounds way too risky of a maneuver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byron
Yeah, I'm not sure wolves can target themselves. Maybe we could group lynch everybody except Jimmy?
That post has only increased my suspicion of Byron btw. Very eager to target Baz and Jimmy here.
I was actually thinking early in the game (before the Jimmy stuff) that this would be a great (if highly risky) play for a wolf team to make. Very high chance it fails, but if it doesn't it's almost a guaranteed victory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepe
Don't engage with wolves, Baz. He would love us to waste another day on you.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ed/ea...95692355e9.jpg
Another victim claimed.
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About fucking time.
:uhoh:
Shiiiiii.
Now to go look at all of his posts.
Said some pretty damning things about Mugbull iirc.
Yeah, think we need to go back in on mokbull.
Hopefully there's another seer out there.
I really hope there’s a wolf going solo to have this from the worst performance in TTH history.
Seems like a slam dunk from here on to be honest. Good luck fellow villagers.
I nominate Mugbull (first nomination)Quote:
Originally Posted by Browning
This also strikes me as a last will and testament accusing Igor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Browning
Can't we just auto-kill mugbull?
Gotta wait some hours bbQuote:
Originally Posted by Pepe
Could at least try to defend yourself.
I nominate Mugbull (second nomination)
Right. With that out of the way, is there anything else of note Browning said? I just looked back through the last few pages and his interactions with/about Baz suggest to me that Baz is a villager.
He nominated Byron, but then didn't follow up with a vote, and he'd nominated Byron before, so I don't think there's much in that. He was pretty solidly after Mugbull and Thommo in the rounds immediately before this one just gone.
Are we assuming one wolf after Mugbull gets it?
Igor would seem to come under suspicion. He diversified a bit from the other ones around the time when I was coming under fire.
Byron also a possibility. Can't really see it being Spoonsky. If it's you then you're doing a proper Colonel Kurtz effort.
Regarding the Mugbull - Thommo shit off:
Waff still donning the game as a non-participant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waffdon
Good spot. It was subtle enough before we knew Browning's role, now it looks pretty damning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
I nominate Igor (first nomination)
I’m really fucking gutted I didn’t sign up. Imagine being a wolf in this game, could have reincarnated my solo wolf win from a few year back :drool:Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
I'm pretty convinced Mugbull and Igor are the remaining wolves.
So far we have:
Mugbull - nominated by Spoonsky, seconded by Niko.
Igor - nominated by ScousePig, not yet seconded.
Two hours left.
I nominate Igor (second nomination)
Could try and double them.
Yeah, try and kill the game in one night.
Someone come up with a voting strategy.
How many people are left, ten? The nominees will presumably vote for each other, and bruh presumably won't vote, so could be hard to make it add up right.
https://i.imgur.com/IRUx2Cl_d.jpg?ma...idelity=medium
Bruh says be banned @SvN
Nominations closed
Mugbull - Igor
There’s not a chance he was banned, he’s talking out of his box.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baz
Bruh in being a mong shocker.
Be kind, dickhead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepe
My bad.
Poor bruh, he seems to be confused. Best wishes to him.
If it finishes 0-0 does that yield a double lynch? Could be the best way to go.
He showed me the banned message.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giggles
Faking a banning would be a proper 4D chess move.
If it was someone more competent.
Must be as the villiage have nominated them.Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
*ghosts*
I won’t stand in the way of such a tactic
I feel like really 0-0 should result in neither being lynched, but happy to play along.
No hint of a defense from either. Wolves really going out with a whimper here.
blow me
Not into bestiality, sorry.
I checked and someone defintiely fucked with Bruh's account.
Should be working now.
Bet it was the wolves.Quote:
Originally Posted by phonics
https://i.imgur.com/H8zGIzT.png
I'm innocent.
:cab:
Couldn't blame Bruh for not wanting to come back here. Gets sneakily banned as a cruel joke, gets called a cunt and a coward for it, then, when he says he's been banned, gets called 'confused.'
Yet SvN PMd me sayingQuote:
Originally Posted by phonics
:saywhat:Quote:
Yeah he's just a drama queen, I'm sure he'll be back feeling stupid in a few days.
Would have been a boring Werewolf day if not for Bruhgate. :D
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
Hey I appreciate the gesture for the unbanning but to be fair I did have an IP ban bet with ... myself... so the banning part was all good !!
It was just I saw a couple folks say oh what a guy he's probably killed himself and I would've thought someone would've just said "oh no we did exactly what he asked" haha.
At any rate, after a couple folks insinuated I might have ate a bullet or was cowering over being wrong over a text game I could only remember Baz's twitter @ so I just wanted to pass word along I'm alive and well etc. also as to not mess up the game somehow with folks thinking I abandoned it for any reason other than taking my IP ban :)
I was enjoying following along nonetheless, the double villager lynching was CRUEL! SHEESH.
Anyhow I appreciate you all letting me play and putting up with me over the years xx
@SvN you can ban me back now, fam! I appreciate you fulfilling the terms of the bet to begin with! That was totally fair, entirely justified, and exactly what I asked for, so no one has to feel any kinda way (not that they would but you know) :)
Thanks @phonics for sorting me out and thanks @Baz for passing word along as well!
Wait so why exactly were you banned?
Seething.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boydy
Mugbull - Igor
Well I said if Mahow isn't a wolf I'll take an IP ban ! And then when the clock was ticking down Mahow said "get your finger on the ban button ready!" which I thought was a super bluff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian
Then I was wrong, I got to lament about it for like 15 minutes, but then eventually someone took the horse out to pasture and put one between the eyes :P
Which was entirely fair and exactly what I wanted! There's no ill will on this side! I just thought you know someone would've said "Hey Bruh hasn't killed himself, isn't cowering over a fucking game, and just took his IP ban like a man". Since that went on for like 5-6 days I was like ok well lemme let someone know I'm alive and just reading along I guess lol
I'mma log back out now so do please redo my ban, I am a man of my word and enjoyed the hilarity that ensued because of my fuck up xx
Get your vote in Bruh, get on the winning side.
Mugbull - Igor
ok bye
Boyd showing that you don’t need a good narrator to run the game well. You just need a bunch of mentalists playing.
Well done, chaps.
Tfw you realize you’ve still got one more wolf to go
Mugbull - Igor
bye now
...I’d forgotten he had bet an IP ban on Mahow being a wolf lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
Mugbull - Igor
Stick around @bruhnaldo
Gotta keep the Summer transfers thread going.
mugbull - igor
Mugbull - Igor
Double? :henn0rz:
And he really helps himself too. Oh wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
Even the little bye at the top of this page is the action of an 11 year old.
Phonics - SvN
Mugbull - Igor
If ever there was an obvious double and a potential to put the wolves out of their misery.
Mugbull - Igor
Mugbull - Igor
5-4 at the moment?
Mugbull - Igor
Will be quite funny, well, sort of, if Mugbull turns up and vote switches, and Igor turns out to be a villager.
Keep it at the double, lads.
I am switching my vote to
Mokbull igor
I change my vote from Igor to
Mugbull - Igor
Voting closed
Fastest finger in the West!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonsky
Igor :harold:
Well played Spoon. :D
I don't quite get the point of going for a 0-0 even if it would lead to double lynching. It would just give them the opportunity to mess things up twice.
I could disallow that Spoon vote change as the voting closes at 8pm and that was posted at 8pm.
Shouldn't have posted "voting closed" at 8:01 then. ;)
Ok who was the other seer
:D
Brilliant. :D
:D
Class
Probably Baz.Quote:
Originally Posted by mugbull
5 wolf lynchings in 5 days. We were routed.
Was the roles completely random, Boyd? We should maybe rethink that in future if so.
In fairness, as I also told Browning through PMs, you were dealt a bad hand as most of you were inexperienced.
Mugbull has been lynched.
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Igor has been lynched.
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That better have been after you were killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adramelch
It all came apart at the seams after that Lofty lynch, which didn't feel particularly seismic at the time.
After he was killed even.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boydy
Adra's probably the rulesiest werewolf motherfucker going, so of course it was. He sent me one too after his demise with nothing of consequence in it other than speculating that I was the seer. So his reading of the game wasn't perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boydy
Yeah, I got quite a bit lucky in my assumptions, but obviously there's only so much luck you can have.
It is night time in the village again
Wait, what?
Another wolf :drool:
Boyd will probably proceed to kill us all. :drool:
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Hurrah.
Great game and thanks Mr Boyd.
:hail:
Now it's officially over can I just say.
Thinking Baz was a seer :harold:
Yeah other roles that weren't discovered were:
ScousePig - Seer
Jimmy - Doctor
Pepe - Hunter
The amount of times GS (RIP) threatened that. :drool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepe
Jim protecting himself :D
Good game all, have to say though feel game derailed pretty early with some posters chimping out massively then effectively resigning early doors, essentially writing off any early narrative that would have grown in a normal game.
Good game Boyd, thanks for hosting.
The wolfpack. :harold:
I was actually going to say earlier that it would be funny if Jimmy was the doctor just protecting himself, but I didn't know if that was possible (or if the game was definitively over anyway). :D
Also, I may or may not have asked Boydy if I could step into Bruh's shoes after he went missing/banned :rosebud:
Although I had to retract that as both of the seers had reached out to me and told me all of their investigations.
Your predictions were terrible too. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir Andy Mahowry
How does a "doctor" protect themselves?
I hadn't really considered it and when he asked me if he could, I thought yeah why not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adramelch
How many times did I nail a wolf? :sherlock:
With their scalpel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giggles
They get to choose someone each night that, if the wolves attack them, can't be killed. They just choose themelves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giggles
Fucking hell, I was right about the other seer :drool:
From my perspective (which is not the only perspective, as niko pointed out previously, but worth recounting), the entire game turned when the wolves killed SvN. Prior to that, we were working together choosing someone to protect each night. The night he died we protected Taz (we weren't far off with that as he was done in soon after). When SvN died and it was only me left - and, crucially, I had the ability to protect myself - I thought the best strategy would just be to protect myself each night, come out with a load of balls-out horseshit in the thread which would not only bait the wolves to try and kill me but also force the seers to investigate me and then hopefully reveal themselves, the ultimate aim being the wolves taking the bait and therefore missing.
However, this needed a nice stroke of luck to work perfectly, which was the fact that we got Lofty at the same time (not sure if that was with or without seer help). I never really had a clue who the wolves were.
ScousePig revealed himself to me via code in the thread very early doors (presumably after investigating me) and so after the wolves missed me and I was in the clear, I just protected ScousePig until the bitter end, as there was no real need for me after that beyond keeping the seer alive. ScousePig played a very good game, gently steering us towards wolves without being too obvious. Or he might just have been lucky, I don't know.
It was on the second day or whatever and I was still seriously pissed off at being ousted so early.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boydy
I was seriously rusty in this game (it's been too long) and I got trigged way too easily at the start when the tide was turning against me.
Ah right, so the wolves would know the first time they tried and it didn't work. Or do the wolves work as a team at all?
The wolves can communicate with each other.
They wouldn't know Jimmy was the doctor necessarily. Anyone could be the doctor and it would make sense that they would try and protect Jimmy that day as he was very vocal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giggles
Makes sense. Though most would probably save themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adramelch
Thommo did say that the night they attacked Jimmy he wanted to take out Browning (seer) but Igor (lol) pushed hard for Jimmy.
I reckon if I had posted my Byron character assasination a bit closer to the deadline it would've worked, there was too much of a window for his rebuttal which swung a few votes I had initially won.
Also wanted to point out that Baz tried to instigate double lynches any time other than when the ballot consisted of 2 wolves. :D
I personally thought the AD kill was our big mistake. Though if I'm honest, it seems like it would take a perfect game from the wolves for them to even have a shot at winning. We obviously made plenty of mistakes, but I think the AD one was enough for us not to win. How often do wolves actually take the v in these games?
Never once considered Scouse the seer. Very well played by him
i was confident browning was the other seer since like round 3 or 4 but it's hard to put your money where your mouth is
The Lofty kill was the catalyst for me at least. I thought that the wolves would try and diversify their behaviour, but having a Brand Name Poster™ being fairly inactive and with posts of not much substance, led me to Vercetti/thommo/Igor who had similar styles. In fact, it was when you decided to go all crazy against Jimmy that I discarded you a bit as a possibility for that same reason.
I won as a wolf but I can’t remember other than that. It’s been too long.Quote:
Originally Posted by mugbull
Are we going to play again?
I've won solo as a wolf before and I think they're generally 50/50 or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by mugbull
Hope so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lofty
For the record, this was the post where ScousePig told me he was the seer. I wasn't 100% on it as it was well worked in on the back of my deliberately mad posting, but I went with protecting him and didn't have a clue who the other seer was anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScousePig
I thought Adra was the seer as well, and I think mokbull called out Browning early in our chat, but Jimmy was coming out with so many outlandish claims, Igor wanted to take him out that night. So we went for it and he kept himself alive. :D
That, combined with Lofty going, was the beginning of the end.
Jimmy being medicine man and just protecting himself seemed so obvious in hindsight but I just didnt see it
I loved your work, Jim. Kudos. I deffo take a lot of blame for pushing to kill you though.
I did briefly think I'd get at least a few nights as lone wolf based on sucking up you and killing my wolf mates. Ah well.
My Jimmy thing was also a big unforced error. I was barely appearing in anyone's suggestions of who to lynch until then.
Actually we were absolutely killing it in the beginning. I think we went the first 3 lynching rounds without any of us even getting nominated
That’s a brilliant post by Scouse. He played a blinder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
The wolves...not so much.
After you didn't go for me the second time I thought damn it, if they know what they're doing they're going to stay off me and get the village to do it. Luckily I lucked in with nominating and voting for Lofty at just the right moment (I had no real idea he was a wolf) and you took the bait in the end :DQuote:
Originally Posted by igor_balis
Solo for how many rounds? That seems like a more likely route to victory rather than having 3/3 and winning that way or somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir Andy Mahowry
I’d be up for playing if its not too soon for anyone else to go again.
Don’t think I’ve played one.
I can't remember exactly but quite a few as most of the other wolfs were found before the halfway point and the village was licking their lips at an easy victory. Might have even been double figures or very close to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mugbull
Luckily the seers were all gone and had not point any fingers at me and I didn't come under any suspicion until right near the end when someone (I think it was SvN) put me up for no real reason and I almost went.
I was killed really early on in each of the next few games though which was annoying.
Yeah i'm down for another one but if I'm a wolf again I think i'll die of anxiety
Also annual reminder to @SvN and crew that i would like my username changed back to mokbull please
Bit of both. I had to give you the sign when you were not under any sort of suspicion, and it was subtle enough for you to pick up but others to miss. Obviously I didn't know if it had worked, but I was confident if it had you'd be potentially saving me each night. Though it never dawned on me that the doctors could save themselves until the night you did it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
Me and Browning managed to go under the radar pretty much, and we distanced ourselves from each other enough. That's all that was required really - the villagers did the job. Browning picked off the wolves better than I did. We knew who most of the prominent players were but obviously that took a fair bit of time.
Super finish from the village. :cool:
Would be nice to see who was investigated each night.
I did leave you in the open for a couple of rounds as I was fairly confident, given the wolves' MO up until that point, that they wouldn't be killing you, and I also wanted to RATTLE them via me being protected. Once that was done, though, I protected you each night until the end. So they could have got me at any point after that, but it was too late.
I’m shocked to find out jimmy didn’t know I was a seer, I literally spent the whole game trying to slap him round the face with it. I was also sure the wolves would get me much sooner then they did.
The thought may have crossed my mind but I thought it was too obvious, and actually it led me to suspecting you might be a wolf in the very early game before you put up the impassioned defence which was clearly genuine (although I thought the defence of a villager who wanted to stay in, rather than a seer).Quote:
Originally Posted by Browning
Justice!
Easy to be harsh on the wolves but I think that was genuinely a great performance from the villagers and good guys.
I'm definitely glad I've never had anything approaching a role of responsibility in one of these.Quote:
Originally Posted by mugbull
I found some of the wolf kills questionable.
I think if Byron had gone in that Lofty vote things could have been quite different.
yeah i still don't really understand who you SHOULD be trying to kill as a wolf. my logic didn't go much further than "lol lets just kill a random to keep them guessing", and Jimmy when his back to the future style chicken clucking finally tipped me over the edge.
I also feel bad for being so inactive but I just get so anxious about putting my foot in it. In future I think I'll just watch.
Another thing that kept you from dying was that you were being so obvious and going after the wolves so clearly that the moment we killed you, it would be obvious who the wolves were. which is exactly what happened in the endQuote:
Originally Posted by Browning
A proper 2nd half turn around that.
AD was questionable for sure (and the jimmy miss), but which others? I still think we were playing a good game at the beginning when everyone was saying we were making dumb kills.Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
I guess browning too but the game was over at that point
Woah, woah, woah... did Jimmy protect himself when the wolves tried to kill him?
Did he do so every round? :D
Nah he protected Scouse after that, since Scouse hinted at him that he was a seer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spikey M
Highly confident the wolves would have secured the win had they not killed AD when they did.
Shame.
Anyway, at least we know that Jimmy would essentially be JD out of Scrubs if he was a dr.
And I say that because of his character during the game, not the love of black men.
Also, I am claiming a massive E-VICTORY for being the man that changed vote from Byron to Lofty, enabling others to do so and kickstarting this absolutely romping.
Thanks for lynching me the following round.
Ya, wolves killing the inactive posters and then AD was error-strewn.
Where do I see that?Quote:
Originally Posted by phonics
Yes. :cool:
Jimmy not being a seer has rattled me pretty good. That was really well fucking played.
I think if we had lynched Byron instead of Lofty in that round, things could have turned out very differently. After Lofty went I have to say we played things pretty damn well, the likes of Adra and even Jimmy (considering he wasn't actually the seer) were really sharp in their intuitions.
Also, thanks Boydy. :)
I thought you managed the whole thing really well and more than made up for the lack of narration with those VAR scenes at the end.
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Originally Posted by Spoonsky
I had no intuitions, really didn't have a clue who the wolves were. Didn't suspect Igor at all until the very end. I was just lucky a few things worked in my favour and a strategy unravelled in front of me which required no guile whatsoever. I just had to call the wolves council house cunts for a few days and wait for the seers and villagers to work things out.
Well now I'm not busy I can finally give some proper thoughts....
I'm really shocked that people didn't pick up on me being the seer. We investigated Jimmy on night 1 and as soon as I knew he was innocent I just followed him in everything. My first few votes and nominations were either copying him exactly or going for other people he had mentioned. I also constantly defended him even when he kept trying to kill me.... desperately hoping he would pick up on the fact I knew he was innocent and could then protect me as and when it was required. If he didn't know I was the seer I guess that strategy technically failed, but what it did for me was give me a way of posting that I didn't have to put too much thought into, and then start second guessing everything I did in case it made people think I was a wolf, which is what usually happens to me. Not having that pressure made the game a lot more enjoyable for me, probably the most I've enjoyed one.
I felt me and Scouse worked well together even if our hit rate was poor at the start (I guess it usually is). It started to frustrate me that we couldn't find a wolf, but I really underestimated the power of knowing who is innocent. Knowing I could read posts by people like Jimmy, Niko and Pepe without any suspicion (and Taz before his untimely death) also made the game a lot less stressful and a lot more fun. The only thing that would have been different had I been a lone seer is I probably would have got Thommo early doors because I totally would have investigated him just for being a cunt if I wasn't talked out of it. :D
Igor was very unlucky to be caught when he was. We were all in on the 3 names that were on the ballot (Pleb, 7om and Byron) and it was only when he went in on his "let's lynch Pleb and then if he's innocent go for Baz" strategy that the lightbulb went off. When we investigated Baz, I genuinely thought we had wasted the search, because Scouse had already raised some good points as to why he was definitely innocent, but in the long run, it ended up being key information that ultimately would bring down Igor. I also wasn't sure if my Igor post was a bit of a dick move, but I figured it was probably ok? Seemed like I kind of killed off the game at that point. Really needed a GIF of Obi Wan being struck down for my death announcement.
Great game. I'm up for another. Thanks @Boydy for running it.
I think that Igor post was fair enough as you didn't know you were going to be killed at the time. It would be a different story if you'd already been lynched and said that before the announcement or something.
You see, I thought all the chumminess at the start was that of a wolf trying to hide, hence why I nominated you. I'm really surprised they didn't kill you in the first 3/4 rounds.
Yea, I expected to go a lot earlier too. I was ready for it because I knew even if they got me, there was literally nothing to link back to Scouse so he should be been fine.
I think they went too hard on trying to get me lynched. The SvN and AD kills were both part of that strategy, I assume. I didn't actually pick up on AD saying anything about me, but Thommo's post lead me to believe that's what they were going for. Once I survived the close vote, it not only lead us to Mugbull being a wolf, but it also meant killing me was probably viewed as a waste of time because they believed they could get me lynched. It was only once the village completely accepted my innocence that they went for it, and by that time, it was too late. In fact by the time they actually killed me, I thought they wouldn't do it, because they'd have figured out that revealing my role would lead to their doom.
2 seers and 2 doctors feels like a big hurdle for the wolves to overcome in a game of this size. It's tricky, because when it's just one, or maybe the people who have those roles don't do as good a job those as in the game just gone, an early slice of luck can be huge, but with two of each it feels like it would be very difficult to wolf your way through the game.
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Originally Posted by Baz
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Originally Posted by phonics
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Originally Posted by bruhnaldo
I don't know what @phonics is playing at, but this is all bullshit. I didn't ban you, and phonics' screenshot that is supposed "proof" is from the 30th April, which is before you left. It doesn't even reference bruh in any way, just shows some changes I made to usergroup permissions.
All we've got is phonics saying "someone fucked" with the account. I want more info and details.
That will have been you changing the time limit between PMs and upping the inbox capacity.
I couldn't remember exactly what it was, but yeah, that's what it was.
Why SvN, what big teeth you have.
This is more DRAMA than the game itself.
I'll throw a :sherlock: in there too.
Time to clean out the losers and get some decent staff in for once.
Literally no other changes to user groups (bruh couldn’t post because his user group was set to ‘awaiting email verification’) unless Johns managed to hide his changes in the log.
I saw that his email address had changed to a generic fake one. If bruh did that himself when he left in a hissy fit then that will be why.Quote:
Originally Posted by phonics
No admin changed it because it would be in the log (and noone has permission to remove log entries)
This us why nobody trusts Big-Business.
That sounds the most plausible.Quote:
Originally Posted by SvN
And that's exactly what happened.
There's a MySQL table in the database called userchangelog that keeps a log of every change to user groups. This might not mean anything, but here's the two rows that are relevant:
https://i.imgur.com/4BNqnIE.png
The top row says this:
- At Friday, May 1, 2020 7:41:17 PM the usergroup of user 19 was changed by user 19.
- User 19 is brunaldo
- The second row then says at Thursday, May 7, 2020 3:51:43 PM the user group of user 19 was changed by user 1.
- User 1 is phonics
So yeah, bruh changed his email to a fake one for some reason (ok@ok.com) when he left in tears (presumably so we couldn't contact him) but was too retarded to realise this would result in him needing to re-verify his email address before he could post.
He then came back once he'd got over it, but couldn't post, so assumed he was banned. Then went crying to Baz about being banned.
TLDR: Bruh is a spastic doing spastic things
Can the seers investigate SVN tonight, pls. Man is movin' mad.
All the drama aside, I’m glad SvN volunteered as an admin, cos he clearly knows his stuff. :thbup:
This will do Bruh the world of good in the long run. Best poster 2022.
Imagine a Secret Hitler game :sherlock:
What, another game you can sign up to but barely bother your arse to play?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pleb
You should have started mod-killing the inactive twats.
When the first one would have fallen you'd have seen a spike in activity from the rest.
He didn’t need to. Both the wolves and the town were doing that every day.
I'm pretty sure all TTH werewolf games have a similar issue with a third or so of players clocking off after signing up (mostly they're villagers).
Not on day 2/3 when the bastards killed me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Browning
Wankers.
some seethe from SvN this
Yeah, he's the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by igor_balis
hey i didn't say it was unjustified. if anything, the fact he has reason to be aggrieved makes it funnier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giggles
Do a TTH-themed werewolf where the admins ban somebody (but deny it) every night and the posters get to hack one person each night. You can have Wedges as seers and I can't remember what the doctor does but that can just be Dr Barry.
Hey all, you know honestly I had changed my profile because I wanted it to seem like either
1) I DID get IP banned because of my bet over Mahow being a wolf.
or
2) I left the website in a tiff again
that way I could potentially fly under the radar and pray I didn't get killed at least over the weekend as it was Friday and I wasn't gonna log on until next Monday anyhow so I had might as well use it to my advantage.
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I turned off my PMs and did change my e-mail just in case someone looked at my profile trying to be sneaky, I didn't realize if I had already verified my profile as a real human I would've needed to do that again lmfao. that's fucking hilarious.
At any rate....
Having done that, and considering I did ask for an IP ban that Mahow brought up just before he was lynched, when I was casually scrolling the website and it randomly showed I "lost permissions" I just assumed someone did their duty.
Which was totally fine, again, what I asked for. I didn't expect it, no, to be fair, but at that point I thought going out on my shield would've been respectable. I read some posts for another 30 minutes then logged out and tried to enjoy my weekend lol
I will say when I logged back in Monday just to read along with what happened with the game over the weekend a couple ppl insinuated I might have really harmed myself (likely joking but anyways) and referenced a post I made in the coronavirus thread where i jokingly said I was going to do just that.
at that point, I also thought, for the sake of the game and folks bringing up my absence, I should let someone know I was in fact banned (as I asked to be if Mahow was a villager) since no one else was going to let people know (because they didn't actually ban me! ahahahahahA oh man that's so damn funny).
But I really just had thought maybe it was a clever play by a mod who was a wolf to not mention having fulfilled the ban to keep the mystery going and confuse the villagers that oh, maybe he was a wolf who disappeared, and then have them waste a lynch on me. I told Baz to try to save my fellow villagers even from exile! lol (I also lowkey thought yea, let's not have folks lasting memory of me perhaps be "he might have killed himself over a text game". Anyhow.)
good game, good fun. I never got to play before and it was honestly really fun trying to get people to show themselves and figure out the wolves :)
Absolute head cases are what makes the internet fun to be on. Keep doing you bruh.
I HAVE to say, I really thought my "let's bet on it" thing was golden. Why the FUCK would you try to talk me out of the bet by going too high if you weren't a wolf?! God DAMNIT. I really didn't get enough credit for that, it really GRINDED MY GEARS no one seemed to see my logic in that.
Also, the game def died once I got "banned" so sorry about taking away the life of the party
OH! And I also coined "Name Brand Poster" to no applause but much later use. Bunch of fucking cunts. "Oh I think someone else used it before in this thread!" fuck outta hereeeee
Also Giggles, buddy, my man, it's really not that deep papaaaa. I honestly don't even remember your posts outside of the ones you slag me off. It's a website with 15 people. No need having that much hate in your heart xx
Alright, then. Go fuck yourselves or whatever:happycry:. Perhaps I'll see you in another life when we are all cats.
Because no matter what I said you'd twist it and go "WOLF".
"£10 only? Not much confidence in being a villager, lol."
"£100, clearly a wolf."
And I knew no matter what amount was agreed upon you'd flake out of it. I mean you did bet that if I wasn't a wolf you'd get IP banned/not stay around and yet here you are...
Stick around Bruh, you loveable cunt.
Flaking on a bet is shameful shit though.
You're in no position to decide what's shameful.
I'm more experienced than most, it makes me massively qualified.
We had one once, I forget how it worked. Maybe Mark and Brighton were the bad guys? I know I was Davgooner (which brought control of THE VAN) but I died before I got to use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Offshore Toon
What about a version where everyone is posing as cam girls (villagers) but there are Mahows in drag posing as cam girls (wolves) killing them one by one. You can have drag spotting experts (seers) and pimps (doctors).
Wouldn't Mahow be the one who tries to protect the cam girls (for lack of a more suitable role)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Offshore Toon
GS' WCW one was my favourite theme and not just because I got to kick some ass as Sting.
I seem to remember I slightly overpowered one of the new roles in my wolfy one but I forget the specifics.
The villagers are Cam Girls, Mahow is the doctor with studio bosses as the Wolves.
As long as he's in drag I'm happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adramelch
Why would I be in drag though?
How did a wrestling one work, exactly? :drool:
Don't kink shame him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Andy Mahowry
Old board so I can't go back and grab all the actual specifics but broadly speaking I think it was nWo as the Wolves. I was Sting and I assume I'm pretty sure I was the seer equivalent. Got lucky with one early and managed to piece together another few before they got me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vercetti
Can't remember who the other goodies were.
Anyone else remember more of the detail?
That was my favourite of all time. I was Hogan and managed to win it for th nWo.
Did nWo win that one in the end? genuinely couldn't remember. I know that for a couple of rounds I'd done good arguments for people I'd found to be Wolves and no cunt was listening so I elected to go down in a blaze of glory and hoping that advantage would be enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by SvN
I'll leg drop your fucking face off
I'd forgotten that. :D
I'd be happy to host one and revive my old attempt at The Boys, especially now that people might have watched the TV series.
I honestly thought Ian was Sting in the Monday Night Wars game when I was Austin that actually had matches and championships. I remember my role was basically I could hit someone each night and if I hit the same person twice, they died. The first significant one I hit was I think Byron as one of the faces of Foley... but I then hit one of the bad guys, and somehow knew they were going to give that guy a shot at my title and try and kill me, so I tried to get Sting (who could force people to lose matches) to hit the same guy but it didn't work out and I ended up losing the title and dying. It was really annoying.
That said, I don't recall any other WCW characters in that game, so maybe I'm misremembering Sting, and confusing two games. No idea.
That would work really well I feel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byron
Now you say it did GS do two wrasslin' ones? A nWo specific one and then a Monday Night Wars?Quote:
Originally Posted by Browning
These fuckin nerds and their real-life action figures
Yeah the fuckin' nerds need to do something cool guys do like play a message board game of Mafia.
Behave.
To blend in as a cam girl/villager. Durr.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Andy Mahowry
Who's up for one in December? I'd like to play but I'll host if no one else will.
I'm so in.
I note the world has awakened to Werewolf with that Among Us.
Count me in.
I'm in.
Init 2 winit
Yee
I'll help you host if you like @Boydy, but not arsed playing.
I'm in for sure.
Whose on spreadsheet duty?
Yea, sure.
Yes please. I'll take it less serious.
Fancy it again, @bruhnaldo?
:moop:
I won't be able to unless it's over the Christmas holidays.
I just posted to let you know I've introduced this game to my Year 6 class for lunch times. They're terrible for falling out when on the playground so we spent an afternoon discussing different games we could play. Someone started explaining this game called 'Among Us' which to me sounded basically like a Werewolf game but for fewer people, so Werewolf it is.
What could possibly go wrong?
I'll play.
I'm in.
Also in.
Yep, I'm in.
I'm in.
How would co-hosting work?Quote:
Originally Posted by igor_balis
Or if you're interested in hosting but not playing, you could just host and I'll play? :baz:
Just a consultancy role. So i can watch knowing who the wolves are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boydy
The LIST
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I can give it attention this time if after this weekend.
Yeah, probably won't be starting until the weekend, if we even get enough numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Merse
Count me in for another.
Pleb throwing shit on a lot of names there. Are we going to take that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pleb
Don't fucking ? me. Also, no harm in less numbers, better more regulars than the fuckig woodlice crawling out for their annual allowance of 6 posts.
I'd play. ~15 are definitely enough to run a game.
Fuck it, I'm ok doing this weekend anyway. I'm a definite.
Your on the sus list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spikey M
Boydy you start as host/player and then once the first person dies, give them the hosting responsibilities and you focus on playing.
Aye and then we end up with Pleb hosting. That'll work.
Didn't he try once? I'm sure he did and it was shit, although not as bad as Pepe's effort.
Fuck sake I'll host and do it properly if Boydy can't be arsed.
Pepe and Pleb co-hosting :drool:
That wasn't the joke but anyway...
I'll play too since there's nothing else to do anymore. Put me down for a vote for Pleb to host too.
Actually having read Taz's banter post the host/player option is open for some ABUSE :D
I kid really...
Boydy
P3
Don
Manc
Sir Andy Mahowry
Spikey M
mugball
igor_balis
Browning
Baz
niko cee
Jimmy Floyd
SvN
Byron
Lofty
The Merse
thommo
Pepe
Offshore Toon
Right this is who I have so far. Igor you still playing? Wasn't ScousePig going to play or something?
Are you actually gonna host?
It can only end well.
Can't wait for this to start now.
I can play if you ACTUALLY want to host.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boydy
Otherwise I'll host.
Let's have it.
Mon the Pleb.
Pleb stepping up to the plate :cool:
His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy but he's ready to clear his name and banish his demons. Or forever be tainted for some top class lols.
Dude i am in
Dude.
21 people is enough.
The list is LOCKED (unless anyone else wants to jump on, speak now)
I'm in finals now but if people feel like it I'd be up to play another one around Christmas / New Years time.
Get your priorities straight young man.
I was looking to see if Igor actually signed up or, you know, Pleb gonna Pleb and I found this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spikey M
Never doubt me my children.