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We haven't moved away from that. People die because of social problems, and health problems - and Tory policy increases those.
There's a pretty well defined poverty line with 10 million people beneath it, a figure that has risen in recent years. I doubt you can ever eliminate it completely, but several other countries have done better.
In your opinion. If that's the case they will be voted out, won't they?
It's surprising all these EU migrants come here to live in poverty.
No, their being voted out doesn't follow. People (rightly or wrongly) vote based on all kinds of other things.
Jacob Rees-Mogg was good on Newsnight.
Henners interviewing Farage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngmoUfjh0cc
It does envoke that Thatcher quote though, and there's no doubt that the term poverty is thrown around like confetti as far as the UK is concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry
FWIW, I'm glad the Lords kicked this out/postponed it though.
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about - when it's defined on those levels it ceases to mean anything. Like fuck do 1 in 6 people in this country live in actual poverty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry
For fuck's sake, what is wrong with the left?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kikó
The Tories are bad bad people for doing this in the way they've proposed, but putting people's lives at risk? Fucking hell.
Getting people off the drug of tax credits is the right idea, but the solution has been ill thought out. What should have happened, if there needed to be an overlap, was that those better off (myself being one of them at this moment in time) should have covered that overlap - the Tories are wankers for not proposing this and deserve all the fair criticism they get as a result. But "putting people's lives at risk"? Have a day off.
Don't people pretty regularly "freeze to death" in Britain? I'm sure there's a news report every year saying the figure has risen as well.
There's no need to cut tax credits if the Tories were actually creating the higg wage, low welfare economy they say they're trying to because if people were on high enough wages, they wouldn't be getting tax credits anyway.
It's a credit to British democracy that a shit government plan is getting cunted without the official opposition having any influence on proceedings at any stage.
Argument from incredulity isn't really valid though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yevrah
Hold up - have you ever suffered poverty? Just because it's inconceivable to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen (it's inconceivable to me as well thankfully.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Yevrah
I agree with the idea as well, if you're going to get rid of tax credits, you do it so they overlap to correctly incentivise people to work.
UK GDP growth slows more than expected to 0.5%
More great new for those promoting expansionary austerity!
Unless you're ninety you shouldn't be freezing to death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
Yes, the elderly do sometimes. But that's not the fault of the government. Pensioners have been treated very well by this government and yet I'm sure some will freeze to death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
I'm not entirely sure the tax credits would help them much, just to put it in the correct context.
If 'poverty' means not always being able to eat what one wants, yes. I don't see many emaciated children walking around, do you? Aren't we the most obese nation in Europe? Doesn't seem many are going hungry to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kikó
The alternative to austerity elsewhere has done much worse though, hasn't it? Let's just ignore that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry
Only China and Japan have had their data added for this Quarter but outside of that this is a great resource for this stuff.
https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=350
No, let's insist that it isn't true, such as in the United States, where a policy of moderate stimulus was pursued, and where the economy is doing much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair
Not really comparable due to its ability to act as its own market and its large industrial sector. You want to compare France, Italy, Norway, Sweden, Spain etc.
That and its ENERGY REVOLUTION.
You can rarely compare any two countries directly. Most of those have undertaken austerity as well anyway, and don't have their own currency (and thus control over monetary policy).Quote:
Originally Posted by phonics
That well known European country, the United States, well known for having an economy entirely synonymous with our own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry
Greece went anti-austerity.... until they realised that when in power you actually have some responsibility.
Greece did not go anti-austerity. They have had ruinous austerity year on year for almost a decade. That you think otherwise is utterly ridiculous and speaks to a complete disconnect with reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair
So Syriza didn't come in on the anti-austerity ticket and then be forced to change their mind because of reality?
They changed their mind - that is, they didn't actually implement anti-austerity policies.
(The reason being that they weren't in control of their currency and had no other option without leaving the Euro.)
http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/arti...JS74494464.jpg
I'm getting into Politics.
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Originally Posted by Henry
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The pseudo-left covers up for Syriza’s betrayal
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Wednesday’s vote in the Greek parliament, in which Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras rammed through over 900 pages of European Union (EU) austerity measures dictated by Berlin, completes a devastating betrayal of the Greek people by Tsipras’s Syriza (“Coalition of the Radical Left”) party.
Virtually overnight, Syriza has embraced austerity as if it were the most natural policy in the world, trampling its electoral pledges to end the EU Memorandum and the 61 percent “no” vote against EU austerity in the July 5 referendum. Its agenda of social cuts, reactionary legal “reforms” and privatizations totaling tens of billions of euros will devastate Greece. The consequences will be horrific for millions of Greek workers already facing hunger, joblessness and lack of medical care.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../pers-j24.html
Who would post on something called The World Socialist Website.
Right, so that states the very opposite of what you claimed a few posts ago. Why are you highlighting it?Quote:
Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair
No, it states exactly what I said - Syriza came to power on an anti-austerity ticket and then caved in to austerity almost immediately.
I feel like every thread I visit, Harold is arguing with someone.
It's true, because they won't desist from lieing about things, just seemingly to disagree with me.
What you said is that Greece "went anti-austerity". This was in the context of a discussion of countries who had actually implemented anti-austerity policies, so what you meant is that they had implemented such policies.Quote:
Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair
You'll now deny this of course. So fuck you very much, I'm out.
It has gone anti-austerity, as is pointed out. It's been forced to, by reality. Something I also said.
http://peoplesppe.com/
Lads.
Our local Uni looks like something out of The Prison Experiment but seems to be good.
http://www.tdgemploi.ch/images/detai...-28_165024.jpg
Foreigners may be charged for A&E treatment under new proposals
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...bJZ?li=AAaeUIW
Terrific news. Let's hope this sticks. Although they should be charging EU foreigners, too.
What a mighty shit catchphrase "emotive claptrap" is.
It does its job.
We already charge non-EU foreigners, just not in advance of treatment. We have reciprocal arrangements with EU (and some Commonwealth) countries which means British citizens get health benefits if they require care abroad.
That's great, but we have nearly double the amount of EU immigrants come here as we do leave. Net loss, and by some distance.
Indeed. Loads of us go on holiday to southern Europe and end up in states requiring hospital treatment though.
This isn't really going to make a financial difference given we charge these people anyway. It is clever politics though. It all adds to the false notion that there is a financial crisis in the NHS and penny pinching is necessary.
It will make a difference in that people won't come here solely for free treatment, and any cuts in waiting times/costs to the NHS ought to be encouraged. I'm not sure why you claim it to be a myth that the NHS costs too much.
We pay less for our health service than almost any other developed nation. What we get in return for what we put in is massive value for money. Anyway I didn't say it doesn't cost too much (although it doesn't) I said there was no NHS financial crisis as reported by Mr Hunt and the newspapers.
Are there any papers which don't acknowledge that the NHS costs too much money as it is?
Anyway, moving on - what is it with Labour MP's and their terrorist sympathies, mixed with a side order of anti-Jew narrative?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS9XP5sy4V0
The Prime Minister - you know, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland - has just said in the Commons that he gives Jeremy Corbyn 'full Marx' for leading Labour to the left.
Stunning Bantz there.
He's basically nicking stuff from Private Eye now.