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Incredible :lol:
I have no idea who this bloke is, where he stands on the issues but this two minute clip is more reflective of what a political representative should be than anything I've seen in the last decade. Shame that it takes an (unwritten s9o who cares) constitutional crisis to see it occur.
Registers his authority as the speaker, tells the audience that he is as in the loop as those wanting answers are to establish common ground and follows by explaining what he believes will follow both politically and legally. I've watched the follow-up videos now and the people I'm supposed to agree with come across as total cunts. Solid effort.
He should have just kept rambling until half the crowd died.
No need. Opened it up for questions and it's the centre-left at the door, the next two videos are just people in the same group shouting over each other and everyone telling everyone else to shutup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewis
On the other side of responsible political communication, this Twitter thread I saw underneath a post from Bruce Springsteens guitarist:
https://i.imgur.com/SHjpu8l.png
Three people, eight posts, all of them a different shade of idiot.
I'm not sure which is more incorrect, that Antifa is the driving force behind remain or 'Antifa is in America'.
The advisory referendum stuff is always good. It advised us to leave.
'It wasn't legally binding'. There's a bloke you don't lend money to.
Indeed, it wasn't offered in an advisory capacity so it wasn't advisory.
I think the point about it being advisory is that there was no legally mandated path forward after the vote. Hence the last three years of people arguing about what leave means, if people knew what they were voting for, "Brexit means Brexit" and all that shit.
If it had been legally binding it would have had to be crystal clear what would happen the day after the vote. i.e. If you vote A, X happens. If you vote B, Y happens.
That's just window dressing. Leave won, which - in theory - tells us that Johnny Public want to leave the EU. The how's and why's are of fuck all importance to most, but they absolutely expect to be listened to.
It may have only been advisory legally speaking, but there was more than enough ranting and blustering before and after the referendum for people expect the result to be 'honoured'.
Right, but there doesn't seem to be any consensus about how to "honour" the result and leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spikey M
It's like having a vote with you family/flatmates/whatever to have a takeaway and then arguing over whether to have a chinese/indian/kebab/pizza/etc...
I reckon most that voted leave did so with 'no deal' in mind.
It's just a shame that No Deal Brexit is getting a Chinese but ordering an omelette.
I don't imagine the majority of the votes on either side were with anything other than "yeah" or "nah" in mind. And some of those that did have more of an idea were basing those ideas on outright lies.
Still, Brussels something something sovereignty something, etc. so we're definitely doing the right thing as we prepare to goosestep into our glorious new future.
NO DEAL was very much implied by TAKE BACK CONTROL, since recovering control over money, borders, and laws (which was the campaign focus) necessitates leaving the economic, political, and legal structures of the European Union. It would have been nice to have done so gradually and [relatively] seamlessly, but if that wasn't an option then you follow the logic and we're away regardless. Interpreting it as leave... but only on terms acceptable to four hundred people who don't want to leave is where the shitshow has come from.
You get a 50.epsilon% majority in the referendum and you complain that there were attempts at compromise? Lol
People voted to for those things. You can't 'compromise' by not doing them and saying you have.
Not doing them your way, of course
You either let the European Union run your trade policy and have legal supremacy or you don't. I'm sure people would have grasped that had the result gone the other way and leave voters began looking for 'compromise'.
I definitely saw the 'simple yes or no referendum' implying No meant No Deal.
The vast majority, if asked at the time, wouldn't have considered what a "deal" even was nonetheless what it would or wouldn't mean for the them/the country.
The referendum was only called because Cameron and the entire establishment assumed they would win it easily. None of them gave any thought to what would happen if they lost, even right up until the final days (remember when they paraded Obama?). They were complacent one too many times.
All the stuff about billboards and LIES is partly guilt/shame from that.
Is putting LIES in capitals supposed to discredit the fact they were, in fact, lies?
I dunno, the vote to invoke article 50 was pretty one-sided.
Everyone tells lies in all elections but these ones now have to be special LIES because Remain fucked up and lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by randomlegend
"It's OK because everyone does it"
If Remain had won then no one would give a fuck. They need something to blame for their own complacency and catastrophic failure, something that exonerates them completely from any kind of responsibility, so lies on a bus it is. It pretty much encapsulated the total defeat of post-Cold War centrist liberalism that Farage and Corbyn (and their equivalents abroad) have been eating away at for a decade or more.
When Ed Miliband lost in 2015 you didn't see him blaming TORY LIES, even though I'm sure the Tories told oodles of lies in that campaign. Ed was still happy with the world, give or take.
I don't think any of it (from both sides) would technically class as 'lies', although using the government machinery to peddle wank was definitely worse than sending a bus out on a massive lol beano.
#AccidentalPartridge
"Do you want some more glitter?"
Get them printed off for the meet.
https://i.imgur.com/JBmRlnz.jpg
Surely they could have come up with something better than that?
There’s loads of them out there so take your pick.
Dom threatening to deselect anyone who rebels, with a majority of 1, is pretty lol even by his standards. They are obviously trying to force a no confidence and think they will win the subsequent election.
I liked the idea of Boris Johnson going to the European summit and voting against a new extension.
I said at the time that leaving the EU was only half the issue, the bigger issues were closer to home with our own shitty government(s). If I knew then what I know now, that we still hadn't left and we'd have gone through Cameron, May and now Johnson whilst Jeremy fucking Corbyn does the square root of fuck and that's without mentioning the absolute drivel we've been subjected to in the media, PMQ, Question Time etc. I won't pretend to know much about all this political business but I know enough to know that whatever happens, leave or remain, this country is well and truly fucked. There is nothing great about Great Britain, it is a sad pathetic country in reality.
What happened to Raab then? I remember a few of you lot loving him when he started gaining attention.
He is my MP, and has always been a total plastic charlatan.
I think the picture of the books on his windowsill probably killed him.
This is all lol. We seem to have got into a phase where the Remainers say they will nuke the earth, Cummings says he will nuke the solar system first, then the remainers nuke the universe, then Cummings nukes all of four dimensional time and space.
I'm holding firm on us not leaving.
Well that was pointless.
It's interesting that Boris has said he believes we'll get a deal. I wonder if he truly has the minerals to take us out if he's allowed to.
‘It’s interesting the known liar told a lie’
And also the line that rebel MP's are looking for a three month delay. Just fucking come out and say you don't want to leave and campaign on that ticket instead. For the love of God.
He was under no obligation to say it and the remainer line is that he wants us out on no deal and whipping the Europeans left in the country after November, so what was the point in saying it?Quote:
Originally Posted by phonics
Watching Hilary Benn now (who I quite like as it happens) there's absolutely no plan whatsoever from remain to do anything other than kick the can down the road, let alone actually get a deal.
Just band together and come out and say you don't want to leave and you'll be doing everything to stop it. By not, they're really not doing themselves any favours.
"There is no mandate for a no deal Brexit from the referendum result".
I mean, mate...
It’s called posturing. The entire point of the charade is so he can pretend ‘I didn’t want an election, these bloody remoaners forced me to’. Don’t be an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yevrah