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Toto adamant they made the right call after the race there and I suspect this is why:
They'd have been out pretty much last regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shindig
Even with all that, Lewis really only needed a lap or two more for the race win.
Yep. Take the hit on the first lap and it gives you some clean air and it gives the field a chance to spread out. Otherwise you're the back of a train.
How did everyone else [bar Russell] hold position then [or didn't they]? I sort of get the logic, but it didn't seem to actually happen, and had Hamilton been in first, then he'd have been ready to be released first as well, which would have at least put him ahead of Verstappen as presumably he'd have been waiting/last in anyway and his pit box is next.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray Fox
They would have lost some positions because theirs is the first pitbox but they wouldn't have been last.
He'd still have ended in a DRS train which likely would have lost him more time than he did in the end.
It's amazing how quickly this has changed too. While not quite running away with it, Max was starting to disappear into the distance. We've now hit halfway and despite having the better car for 10 of the 11 races, he finds himself behind. It's obviously not a big gap but you'd expect Mercedes will go well at the upcoming power tracks.
Add in that Horner will be SEETHING about the expense of another wrecked car. Perez said in his interview the engine is dead from that car, so he'll be onto his 3rd at Spa. They also found a big crack in Maxs' engine just before the race, after another whack today you'd imagine that's in the bin as well. Both will be taking 10 place penalties somewhere down the line.
Word is Vettels car couldn’t cough up enough fuel for a sample. DSQ likely.
Russell too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray Fox
Man, so if Ocon did carry on to the next lap, Hammer Time would've been given the win. That would've .... made some people on the internet even more angry. :D
https://www.racefans.net/2021/08/01/...an-grand-prix/
Ooooooh. He is being looked at for failing to follow procedures.
Ocon's fine, only got a reprimand for not driving it into parc ferme. They only managed to get 0.3L out of Vettel's car and apparently Aston Martin have been with the FIA for nearly two hours trying to get more fuel out for a sample.
Supposedly Williams are fine too, only Vettel is in trouble with the FIA scrutineering team.
I just imagine Lawrence Stroll locking the doors and telling them to check again. :D
Seems to be official now according to all the journalists.
Hamilton up to P2 and Sainz up to P3. Latifi and Russell go up a spot each, so Williams now have 10 constructor points.
Looks like AM have appealed and Vettel’s car has been impounded and shipped to the FIA. For now he’s still 2nd.
If it's a technical infringement they're done, there's no appealing those.
I'm sure they'll be able to find the 1.44l that is definitely in the car somewhere, and an entirely unrelated $1.44m in a rogue bank account elsewhere.
Followed by a "Stroll's crash cost us $2.8m." news story. It's a rule that's always been there. You can't sidestep it unless you've got a super secret reserve tank. Even that would be more illegal.
Maybe they should get the same lawyers in that Ferrari used for their issues with fuel. Not quite having enough for a sample and just cheating the system are basically the same thing.
Was Norris done for nearly causing the crash in the pits or did retiring straight after get him off?
They never said, if the car is out they sometimes fine the team for an unsafe release.
Kimi's release on the restart was extremely dangerous, even taking Mazepin out of the race, and he only got a 10 second time penalty served at his next pit stop. Doubt anything will happen to McLaren, it wasn't nearly as egregious as the Alfa Romeo release.
As someone else said, I'd be amazed if changes didn't come in to stop that mass pit stop one man on the grid fiasco, not least because having that many cars basically racing through the pits is insanely dangerous and it was a minor miracle there wasn't a serious accident with some of the releases.
It was only Russel that did any racing in the pits at the restart wasn’t it? I don’t think anyone else had to hand places back.Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
By racing I mean trying to get in and out as fast as possible, which led to some seriously sketchy pit releases. What did Russell actually do? Did he overtake people as they queued to get out?
He did. Naturally it was followed by lots of ‘oh lol wily George’ on commentary rather than some virtuous crying that would have occurred had it been a Latifi or Ricciardo.Quote:
Originally Posted by niko_cee
He didn't actually get a penalty for it did he (other than having to hand places back)?
I missed so much of the chaos from the second start as the coverage seemed to be exclusively Hamilton pootling around wondering where all the other cars were whilst on the radio to 'Bono'.
Are we last?
:D
Yeah he handed them back straight away which would avoid any penalty. He was well past any team personnel too.
Hamilton sort of blamed the team after but by all accounts it was the drivers call to make.
The Williams pit is the last one so he was released into the front of the queue ahead of people who were waiting for the restart. As overtaking is still allowed in the pitlane he chanced it and went to the front. The stewards allowed him to give the places back rather than penalise him I suspect because it's a bit of a grey area.
I also read somewhere that the radio silence only applies to the first formation lap, which I'm sure makes sense to someone.
It wasn't a formation lap before the 2nd restart, it's a lap under the safety car and comes off of the race distance. Therefore, radio communication is fine, and I think pretty much all of the drivers took advantage of that.
If anyone follows F2, Dan Ticktum, who was development driver at Williams and by definition, had a toe in the door at Mercedes has been dumped by the team.
He apparently made the very smart choice of being disrespectful to both Latifi and Rosberg while on his Twitch streams. Unless he's got a boat load of money somewhere to pay driver his way in, he's likely done in F1 before he ever got there.
Known tosser Dan Ticktum is once again a tosser, dumped from at least two driver programs now.
Shouldn't even be racing after his previous misdemeanours.
Ironic that he was burying Latifi, a more successful driver in pretty much every respect.
Sunrise, sunset. :(
Il Dottore.
Best I've ever seen, in the category of riders who could do things that seemed impossible. They need to restore the final turn at Barcelona so he can utterly don Lorenzo again.
It took me years to accept him after he did that to Gibernau. I need to find a full replay of Laguna Seca 2008. There's no greater sight than two riders dogfighting for 25 laps.
https://www.facebook.com/MotoGP/vide...9872492732263/
Facebook. I wasn't expecting that platform to deliver. I want the Eurosport feed, though. Toby Moody and Julian Ryder on commentary took it a step further.
Didn't they stop taking family holidays together after that, or is that bullshit? I wonder if they ever did a Hamilton/Rosberg and made up later.
The Gibernau curse is something of a myth. Rossi did say at a team dinner, "Sete will not win another race." but he was only referring to 2004 as a season. It just turns out it was forever.
He's had some scrapes, hasn't he? I tend to forget he kicked Marquez off.
Rossi > Any F1 driver ever. Legend of a man.
The aforementioned Dan Ticktum is more relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepe
I'm still amazed that not only did he not die here, there wasn't a scratch on him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGPrHj1nPt0
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/motorsport/58190691
The lad's cursed. This time last year his brakes failed and he had to hop off the thing into turn 1. Yamaha just sound like they're looking for a way to ditch him.
In further developments, they're bang on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP3n-M6B_hs
Okay, fuck him. That's intentional. :D Signed for Aprilla in 2022.
Japanese GP is off again, and the Dutchies are down to 2/3 capacity.
It's Le Mans weekend. There's a Maldonado on the grid. Turns out Pastor has a cousin. Jan and Kevin Magnussen are sharing a car. Just a reminder, if Montoya takes a class win (because he never seems to bother with LMP1's), I'm counting him as a Triple Crown winner.
LMP1 (I mean HYPERCAR!): Toyota strolled it again. Conway / Kobiyashi and Lopez winning.
LMP2: Team WRT but unfortunately not the car with Kubica in it. Frijns / Habsberg (the overbite aristocracy?) / Milesi. Dragonspeed were the fastest of the Pro-Ams which means erm ... Montoya is sorta-kinda-not a Triple Crowner.
LM GTE Pro: Pier Guidi / Calado / Ledogar
LM GTE Am: Perrodo / Nielsen / Rovera
CDNT (a class of one): Two blokes in wheelchairs and a Frenchman.
Manuel Maldonado retired early. A family tradition.
Weather forecast for Malmedy over the weekend looks... fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReD-oukZmO4
This is mad. All going off in the same manner because of a damp track. Another instance of the halo really, really saving lives.
That would have been about 2-3 deaths in the 70s (although also wouldn't have happened in 70s due to no runoff).
Luckily no one collected them coming through at full speed, like what happened with Hubert. His number was just up that day. He may very likely have survived the first impact, but lying in the pieces of a car and being smashed into from the side from another car going well over 100mph, he was doomed.
Even 5 years ago you'd have likely at least 1, maybe 2 deaths there if not severe injuries.
Delayed because of a little drizzle.
This grid is looking well shook up.