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Reg
23-03-2016, 10:56 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/23/uefa-champions-league-revamp


Uefa is considering a major revamp of the Champions League, with the group stage potentially cut to 16 teams. The move is being driven by continental clubs’ concern that they are being left behind by huge revenues generated by the Premier League and the revised format may mean so-called lesser teams having a reduced presence in the group phase.

Changing the group stage into what would effectively be two mini super-leagues is being considered by European football’s governing body, according to sources at a major Premier League club. Uefa is expected to announce any changes to their flagship competition next season, before the sale of the next cycle of commercial deals. As the Champions League is in the first term of a three-year rights contract it would be difficult for any change until after the 2017-18 edition.

A Uefa spokesperson told the Guardian: “Uefa is in constant contact with all stakeholders, including the clubs, on all football matters. Therefore, any plans to evolve the format of our club competitions would be coordinated and negotiated together with them. There are currently no concrete proposals on the table since we are at the beginning of a new cycle (2015-18) of our club competitions.”

The transformation of Europe’s blue riband club tournament might also include more knockout rounds before the revamped group phase. If there was one extra round the top-seeded 16 clubs might enter the competition at this point and would not be able to draw each other. The established continental clubs believe this would allow them a better chance of avoiding lesser teams at the group stage, which in an eight-team format would mean 14 matches, played home and away.

An example cited during discussions with Uefa came in 2008-09 when Real Madrid were drawn in a group that included Bate Borisov. The ties between the two sides attracted low viewing figures and there is a firm desire to avoid repeats in the future by having more high-profile games, generating a bigger income.

The Premier League’s record new domestic broadcast deal from next year of £5.14bn – plus an expected further ¤3bn (£2.37bn) from overseas rights – is causing concern. The budgets of all 20 Premier League teams will be greater than most of their overseas counterparts who compete at the top end of their domestic leagues.

Next season, the side relegated bottom from the Premier League will receive £100m, as much as Chelsea received when becoming claiming the title in May. The champions in May 2017 will be rewarded with prize-money of around £150m.

When monies from ticket sales and commercial deals– each worth £15m-£20m – are factored in, then Aston Villa, who are likely to be relegatedbottom this term, would receive a reward of around £140m next season, nearly three times the budget of many continental clubs. La Liga’s Sevilla, for example, operate on around £50m a year. Winning the Champions League offers a reward of £40m-£50m, a third of the prize-money received by next year’s Premier League champions.

The possible move to a larger group format could be seen as a first step towards a European Super League. At the start of the month senior executives from Chelsea, Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal and Liverpool, the Premier League’s “big five” met in London to discuss the Champions League with the American tycoon Charlie Stillitano, chairman of Relevent Sports, which organises of the close season International Champions Cup. The clubs were forced to deny there are plans for a breakaway European Super League.

But two days later Stillitano suggested a change to the Champions League might be for it to become a closed shop. “What would Manchester United argue: did we create soccer or did Leicester create [it]?” said Stillitano. “Let’s call it the money pot created by soccer and the fandom around the world. Who has had more of an integral role, Manchester United or Leicester? It’s a wonderful, wonderful story – but you could see it from Manchester United’s point of view, too. It’s the age-old argument: US sports franchises [which do not have relegation] versus what they have in Europe.”

Giggles
23-03-2016, 11:00 PM
I wouldn't care about a format change but if they don't base it on merit from the previous domestic campaigns then it can fuck right off.

Lewis
23-03-2016, 11:00 PM
This will be the Germans, since Bayern have been leading the seethe against our broadcasting monies. Fuck off.

Jimmy Floyd
23-03-2016, 11:06 PM
This will be the Germans, since Bayern have been leading the seethe against our broadcasting monies. Fuck off.

And the Italians.

At first glance that looks like an awful lot of games.

Lewis
23-03-2016, 11:11 PM
The big Italian clubs have their own lol broadcasting deals, so they don't have anything to moan about. Their problems are down to crap match day revenues and not having realised that commercial deals exist.

Lee
23-03-2016, 11:26 PM
They want to expand the most boring part of the competition?

Jimmy Floyd
23-03-2016, 11:32 PM
Working it out, the schedule for that doesn't add up. Currently the big clubs play 13 matches if they reach the final. To use the format described they would need to play 21 matches. Where are you finding those extra 8 matchdays?

niko_cee
23-03-2016, 11:41 PM
This new tv deal is going to properly break football. It'll be interesting to see where it goes.

Reg
23-03-2016, 11:44 PM
I wonder how much of the new mega Premier League money will go into other leagues. If for example Stoke and West Ham continue buying big foreign teams' players, won't much of the money spread around Europe?

niko_cee
23-03-2016, 11:47 PM
Continue? They've hardly been paying fleece it! prices. They've been (sensibly) looting decent players from clubs who either don't want them or are powerless to keep them.

Lewis
23-03-2016, 11:51 PM
Has anyone written a proper explanation of where this money has come from? The overseas revenues are easily explained by our football being less tactical and shit (and more competitive) than the competition, and us not speaking German; but why can't the Germans come up with a similarly lol domestic deal given that other sports barely exist there?

Jimmy Floyd
23-03-2016, 11:55 PM
Given how much power players and their agents now have, I can't see much of an impact on the prices Premier League clubs will have to pay. The problem they will have is that it's too evenly spread, i.e. you will have to be well run to actually win, which will not suit United, Liverpool, Chelsea and friends at all, because they clearly want to run a business like it's a business and not dependent on sporting chance. We're already getting that this season actually.

At some point a big club will get into serious relegation bother, and then we'll see the cards on the table.

ItalAussie
23-03-2016, 11:56 PM
They could at least do us a favour and pretend it's not a naked money grab.

Jimmy Floyd
24-03-2016, 12:04 AM
Has anyone written a proper explanation of where this money has come from? The overseas revenues are easily explained by our football being less tactical and shit (and more competitive) than the competition, and us not speaking German; but why can't the Germans come up with a similarly lol domestic deal given that other sports barely exist there?

I would guess that ours is artificially high because Sky need it in order to exist.

It'll crash at some point. What goes up must come down.

Lewis
24-03-2016, 12:08 AM
You can't really imagine Germans watching much television. Reading deadly-serious newspapers and telling people what to do, yes; but what would they broadcast when they have no sense of humour or popular culture?

Jimmy Floyd
24-03-2016, 12:10 AM
I actually looked that up just now and they are said to watch the same number of hours a year as we do.

From memory, they have a range of really bad soaps which are mega popular.

Lewis
24-03-2016, 12:13 AM
Watching badly-dubbed Tommy Cooper repeats under the impression that his sweating is the joke.

GS
24-03-2016, 12:44 AM
I think Floyd put it quite well a while back - part of the reason football interests people is because it's occasionally unpredictable. If you beat that out of the game, then there's no point investing in it any more.

Wankers to a man.

ItalAussie
24-03-2016, 12:59 AM
From memory, they have a range of really bad soaps which are mega popular.

I'm sure a British TV-watcher can't imagine what that would be like. :D

ItalAussie
24-03-2016, 01:00 AM
I think Floyd put it quite well a while back - part of the reason football interests people is because it's occasionally unpredictable. If you beat that out of the game, then there's no point investing in it any more.

Wankers to a man.

Bang on.

Investors want predictable outcomes. The rise of football as investment is naturally going to lead to powerful figures trying to squash that out.

igor_balis
24-03-2016, 03:51 AM
Honestly, fuck football. I think the main reason I want Leicester to win the prem this season is that it is legitimately the best thing that can ever happen in this stupid sport, and if they manage it I can happily step away from it entirely and leave it to the kind of Indian blokes that Jimmy so beautifully impersonates who go on twitter every transfer deadline window and shout @officialchelseafc y r we not signing the messi n ronaldlo then we can win the league #soccer and spend my time doing something vaguely useful instead.

mugbull
24-03-2016, 06:17 AM
Everything's pointless if you think about it hard enough. Don't over analyze it and you'll be fine

Davgooner
24-03-2016, 07:50 AM
Wankers to a man.


Bang on.

What the fuck is going on?

Magic
24-03-2016, 08:20 AM
When it all fails. :drool:

simon
24-03-2016, 08:36 AM
An example cited during discussions with Uefa came in 2008-09 when Real Madrid were drawn in a group that included Bate Borisov. The ties between the two sides attracted low viewing figures and there is a firm desire to avoid repeats in the future by having more high-profile games, generating a bigger income.

Fuck off.

Jimmy Floyd
24-03-2016, 09:50 AM
That is such a fundamental misunderstanding of sport. Big games are only big relative to the games you typically play.

Sam
24-03-2016, 10:06 AM
So it begins, the death of football. This isn't going to end badly at all :drool:.

Jimmy Floyd
24-03-2016, 10:15 AM
I'm trying to think of the mechanisms by which it actually declines. The status quo - a highly meritocratic system with huge rewards at the top - seems to work pretty well.

Removing context is the big one I think.

Yevrah
24-03-2016, 10:33 AM
That Real Madrid/Bate quote is a corker.

Disco
24-03-2016, 10:36 AM
Doesn't it only decline if viewing figures decline, which is unlikely to happen on a global scale.

Magic
24-03-2016, 10:40 AM
If they are that bothered about viewing figures then it should have been kept on FTA.

Jimmy Floyd
24-03-2016, 10:47 AM
Doesn't it only decline if viewing figures decline, which is unlikely to happen on a global scale.

Well it's happening to F1 right now.

Is it sustainable as a global TV product without the core local interest? I'm unconvinced.

Magic
24-03-2016, 10:50 AM
It might be. It's nothing to do with fans or anything anymore, I bet you could fill entire stadiums with corporate tickets.

Disco
24-03-2016, 11:02 AM
Well it's happening to F1 right now.

Is it sustainable as a global TV product without the core local interest? I'm unconvinced.

Vastly different levels of market penetration though, very few places can be convinced to give a shit about F1.

I think it still works without the traditional match going audience. If the stadium is full and people are cheering then you can sell it as atmosphere. It's what makes all these protests from 'hardcore' fans so pointless, there's no real leverage.

Lewis
24-03-2016, 12:35 PM
I can't see how football will decline in any meaningful way. It may well be close to its peak, but the idea that everything is going to collapse into where it was forty years ago is pretty far-fetched.

Jimmy Floyd
24-03-2016, 12:58 PM
Obviously it will still be played everywhere, but there's going to be a ceiling for how much the money can increase.

Lewis
24-03-2016, 01:00 PM
Isn't that the point of that lol Indian league?

Disco
24-03-2016, 01:11 PM
What does the Sky deal cover? It would be interesting to see the split between sales of subscription packages against income from selling rights to foreign broadcasters. Potentially once all the Indians and Chinese are affluent enough to pay for a dish the demand could be even higher.

Angelsaint
24-03-2016, 02:02 PM
No and no
.
And fuck champions League while you are at it. I want the old champions cup ( what was the name?) and cup of cups back.

Magic
24-03-2016, 02:03 PM
No and no
.
And fuck champions League while you are at it. I want the old champions cup ( what was the name?) and cup of cups back.

European Cup.

Angelsaint
24-03-2016, 02:10 PM
European Cup.
Thanks. What he wrote!

Magic
24-03-2016, 02:12 PM
Most regressed indeed.

Angelsaint
24-03-2016, 02:14 PM
:D

We good?

Magic
24-03-2016, 02:16 PM
We good bro.

Giggles
03-11-2018, 09:22 AM
Is this looking like happening again? I think at this stage the only thing European soccer could do to entertain me is to implode.