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Disco
21-03-2016, 05:59 PM
Or who has the kindest nan.
mugbull
21-03-2016, 05:59 PM
What a rubbish page. Scouse makes a decent point and it descends into "M'Vila lol".
How do you know how good a player actually is? If you say you have mid-table players, how do you justify that if they've been playing to relegation standard all season long? By definition they aren't mid-table players, then. The fact that they've finished mid-table at some point in their lives means nothing. Wahbi Khazri played fairly well for Bordeaux, but you put him in the Sunderland team and he's barely a PL player. Same with legends like Rodwell and M'Vila. They could also play for a mid-table side, but so could any player in the Premier League, on his day. They could also all play for a Championship side.
It's a meaningless line of argument.
phonics
21-03-2016, 06:33 PM
What a rubbish page. Scouse makes a decent point and it descends into "M'Vila lol".
I understood his point completely. It clearly applied last year with Leicester 'False Position' City FC. It just doesn't apply to Sunderland.
They're a poor team with second rate plodder rejects for their spine, that's run by idiots or mad men (sometimes both at once) at huge cost that have survived due to absolute and utter incompetence from enough teams below them to keep their head above water, just. They're not a mid table team. Watford/Swansea/West Brom will bounce between relegation flirts and midtable and still be considered 'mid table' teams. Sunderland haven't broken 40 points in 4 years. Sunderland are constant relegation candidates, just the 4th or 5th one.
bruhnaldo
21-03-2016, 06:37 PM
Ray Hudson and he's a shower of shite
Just searching "Ray Hudson quotes" is pure joy.
Someone has taken his rants and turned them into poems.
Twinkie
Lionel Messi, man
Is like a zombie hunter
Looking for a twinkie.
Come
The pressurized moments
The pressure makes diamonds
That is Lionel Messi.
This Real Madrid side
If nothing else
Are so mentally tough
They find a way
To come back out of
The closet
But that little werewolf there
He just sunk his fangs
Right into them.
edit:
oh my dear
http://mads.thescore.com/rayhudsonsoundboard
I understood his point completely. It clearly applied last year with Leicester 'False Position' City FC. It just doesn't apply to Sunderland.
It didn't really apply to us. We were really bad for most of the season and deserved to be bottom.
Obviously it's not as simplistic as only the quality of the players. The same players who had us bottom had us 14th after 38 games. But our tactical approach was a shambles and the manager and coaches are as much a part of the team as the players.
There is an argument that Sunderland under Allardyce are better than their league position. Only marginally (15th since he started, from memory) but that would be enough to keep them up. But unfortunately for them the unit is the season, not the point at which a new manager starts.
Byron
21-03-2016, 06:46 PM
All this talk of false positions makes me miss Taz. Shame he had the girliest meltdown ever.
ScousePig
21-03-2016, 10:32 PM
What a rubbish page. Scouse makes a decent point and it descends into "M'Vila lol".
I probably should have just agreed with Lewis when he mooted 15th as a more realistic position, but the goons got hold.
ScousePig
21-03-2016, 10:33 PM
Well then you're being silly.
In your own example; after 37 games you were the 14th best team in the league. After 38 games you were the 10th best team in the league. There's no other conclusion to be drawn.
There is. It's that the league table isn't an exact science.
Unless of course you believe that Leicester have gone from being the worst team in the league to the best in the space of a year (which I imagine you do), with just a few personnel changes.
How do you know how good a player actually is? If you say you have mid-table players, how do you justify that if they've been playing to relegation standard all season long? By definition they aren't mid-table players, then. The fact that they've finished mid-table at some point in their lives means nothing. Wahbi Khazri played fairly well for Bordeaux, but you put him in the Sunderland team and he's barely a PL player. Same with legends like Rodwell and M'Vila. They could also play for a mid-table side, but so could any player in the Premier League, on his day. They could also all play for a Championship side.
It's a meaningless line of argument.
Danny Simpson was a joke Premier League defender, and Wes Morgan and Danny Drinkwater were bang average at best. They could all have been playing in the Championship. Now they're on the brink of being key men in a title winning side. By your definition they weren't good enough to even stay in the league, yet now they're good enough to win it. Go figure.
ScousePig
21-03-2016, 10:35 PM
Maybe we should scrap the points system and just judge the final league table on who's played the nicest.
Nicest kit.
Jimmy Floyd
21-03-2016, 10:35 PM
The league table is an exact science, because that is what teams are playing for. In my opinion Grimsby would win the Neptune World Cup, but we'll never know.
Giggles
21-03-2016, 10:37 PM
There is. It's that the league table isn't an exact science.
Unless of course you believe that Leicester have gone from being the worst team in the league to the best in the space of a year (which I imagine you do), with just a few personnel changes.
They have done. Squads don't always stay stagnant and it's the results they get rather than a list of names. Players improve, management improves, tactics improve. Or not, in the case of the teams who haven't done any better.
Giggles
21-03-2016, 10:40 PM
Danny Simpson was a joke Premier League defender, and Wes Morgan and Danny Drinkwater were bang average at best. They could all have been playing in the Championship. Now they're on the brink of being key men in a title winning side. By your definition they weren't good enough to even stay in the league, yet now they're good enough to win it. Go figure.
But 2014/15 Simpson, Morgan, and Drinkwater aren't there any more. Do you think players stay exactly as they are for their whole career?
ScousePig
21-03-2016, 10:49 PM
It didn't really apply to us. We were really bad for most of the season and deserved to be bottom.
Obviously it's not as simplistic as only the quality of the players. The same players who had us bottom had us 14th after 38 games. But our tactical approach was a shambles and the manager and coaches are as much a part of the team as the players.
There is an argument that Sunderland under Allardyce are better than their league position. Only marginally (15th since he started, from memory) but that would be enough to keep them up. But unfortunately for them the unit is the season, not the point at which a new manager starts.
Again you're right, and I'm not disputing that it's ultimately the one season from August to May that we'll be judged on. Interesting that we're 15th since Allardyce came in.
I understood his point completely. It clearly applied last year with Leicester 'False Position' City FC. It just doesn't apply to Sunderland.
They're a poor team with second rate plodder rejects for their spine, that's run by idiots or mad men (sometimes both at once) at huge cost that have survived due to absolute and utter incompetence from enough teams below them to keep their head above water, just. They're not a mid table team. Watford/Swansea/West Brom will bounce between relegation flirts and midtable and still be considered 'mid table' teams. Sunderland haven't broken 40 points in 4 years. Sunderland are constant relegation candidates, just the 4th or 5th one.
Fair enough. I'm not suggesting Sunderland actually are a mid-table team, I'm saying that, this season, our squad is as good as the other teams in the bottom half up to mid-table (excluding Everton). On another day things could have gone our way and we might have been around about level with these sides.
It's really not that outlandish a statement, yet it's caused DRAMA in here.
ScousePig
21-03-2016, 10:50 PM
But 2014/15 Simpson, Morgan, and Drinkwater aren't there any more. Do you think players stay exactly as they are for their whole career?
Do you think Simpson, Morgan and Drinkwater have gone from being the worst players in the league to the best?
Giggles
21-03-2016, 10:53 PM
Do you think Simpson, Morgan and Drinkwater have gone from being the worst players in the league to the best?
I don't think they are or were at either extreme. But even looking at it that way, yes it would seem so.
You seem to be focusing on the player as a name as opposed to how they're playing.
Disco
21-03-2016, 11:00 PM
Unless of course you believe that Leicester have gone from being the worst team in the league to the best in the space of a year (which I imagine you do), with just a few personnel changes.
Of course I believe that, because they have. They have the most points, that's how you decide who's best.
You believe it too just at a different scale. If Tottenham can improve by a few places by playing comparatively better and adding a player here and there why can't Leicester do the same and move up a few more?
Waffdon
21-03-2016, 11:01 PM
Lee has always been raving about Danny drinks water.
ScousePig
21-03-2016, 11:30 PM
I don't think they are or were at either extreme. But even looking at it that way, yes it would seem so.
You seem to be focusing on the player as a name as opposed to how they're playing.
I focus on what's in front of me. For a number of seasons Sunderland have been lucky to survive, due to getting a new manager in at the right time. We've managed to end the season ahead of teams who, by and large, have been better than us throughout the season. This season, I think it's going to be the other way around.
ScousePig
21-03-2016, 11:34 PM
Of course I believe that, because they have. They have the most points, that's how you decide who's best.
You believe it too just at a different scale. If Tottenham can improve by a few places by playing comparatively better and adding a player here and there why can't Leicester do the same and move up a few more?
They can, and this isn't the point that's being made.
Disco
21-03-2016, 11:36 PM
For the record I hope you survive, the Big Sam Show is too good.
[Mike] Ashley said: “Do I regret getting into football? The answer is yes. I have had tonnes of fun in it but I haven’t been able to make the difference I wanted to like I have at Sports Direct. I wanted to help Newcastle, I wanted to make it better. I do not seem to have had that effect.”
Asked if he would still be committed to the club if they were relegated, Ashley’s reply to Sky was unequivocal. “I’ve got no choice,” he said. “I am wedded to Newcastle like Sports Direct. They’ve got me and I’ve got them. That’s just the way it is.”
"HEY GUYS! GUYS! Did you hear I said Sports Direct? I own this company, it's called Sports Direct!"
What kind of answer is "I've got no choice"? Well, ya do.
Lewis
22-03-2016, 01:14 AM
It's all been downhill since he necked that pint at Arsenal.
Shindig
22-03-2016, 06:23 AM
If he keeps dodging the committee he might get imprisoned anyway.
randomlegend
22-03-2016, 10:21 AM
You lot are talking such bollocks in this league table argument.
If a team is 2 points behind another team and then beat them on the last day of the season to finish 1 point ahead because they got an undeserved penalty, that doesn't suddenly and unequivocally make them a 'better' team. It's a total nonsense to claim it does.
Magic
22-03-2016, 10:33 AM
You'd have to break it in to a game by game and look at each incident. Leicester have been lucky as fuck, for example.
We've been absolute shite and managed to win 3 on the trot, if you actually look at those games we were total rubbish and should have lost, even to ten men.
Jimmy Floyd
22-03-2016, 11:32 AM
Manchester United were lucky in every single victory during the Ferguson era. Their titles were all undeserved.
Prove otherwise.
You'd have to break it in to a game by game and look at each incident. Leicester have been lucky as fuck, for example.
We've been absolute shite and managed to win 3 on the trot, if you actually look at those games we were total rubbish and should have lost, even to ten men.
How have Leicester been lucky? You don't get 'lucky' over a period of about forty games, during which time we have lost four. That would suggest we are doing something well, even if it isn't pretty or fashionable.
You lot are talking such bollocks in this league table argument.
If a team is 2 points behind another team and then beat them on the last day of the season to finish 1 point ahead because they got an undeserved penalty, that doesn't suddenly and unequivocally make them a 'better' team. It's a total nonsense to claim it does.
It means they were a better side over the course of the whole season. The league table us about every game, not one incident on the last day.
Yevrah
22-03-2016, 12:30 PM
Leicester have been the best/most consistent/whatever the fuck you want to call it team so far this season, there's absolutely no doubt about that.
To say they've been lucky is ridiculous.
Magic
22-03-2016, 12:31 PM
How have Leicester been lucky? You don't get 'lucky' over a period of about forty games, during which time we have lost four. That would suggest we are doing something well, even if it isn't pretty or fashionable.
Vardy scoring wonder goals every second game for example. The flukey 1-0s.
I'll be proven right when you're relegated next season.
Vardy scoring wonder goals every second game for example. The flukey 1-0s.
I'll be proven right when you're relegated next season.
Vardy's goals (I think only one has been a 'wonder goal') were skill and the recent 1-0s have clearly been the result of our game plan.
I can't imagine you'd be calling Chelsea lucky if you swapped our respective positions.
If we win the league I'm well up for relegation. I wouldn't give a shit, we'd have won the league.
Wait a second, Tottenham is second? What happened to this season? :D
Yevrah
22-03-2016, 12:42 PM
Wait a second, Tottenham is second? What happened to this season? :D
The traditional (top 4) clubs have all been a pile of wank, but it's so much the better for it.
Disco
22-03-2016, 12:43 PM
You lot are talking such bollocks in this league table argument.
If a team is 2 points behind another team and then beat them on the last day of the season to finish 1 point ahead because they got an undeserved penalty, that doesn't suddenly and unequivocally make them a 'better' team. It's a total nonsense to claim it does.
You're attaching significance to single results at the end of a season. If for example Leicesters points last year were spread out it wouldn't have been as much of a story, if they'd scored them all at the beginning it would have been a dramatic collapse but the order is meaningless when deciding who is better over the course of a whole season.
If you finish a point above another team at the end of the season then you're inarguably better by one point.
Magic
22-03-2016, 12:45 PM
Vardy's goals (I think only one has been a 'wonder goal') were skill and the recent 1-0s have clearly been the result of our game plan.
I can't imagine you'd be calling Chelsea lucky if you swapped our respective positions.
If we win the league I'm well up for relegation. I wouldn't give a shit, we'd have won the league.
And if Palace had scored instead of hitting the bar? Newcastle?
I understand both sides of the argument here. People attach too much to points. A manager could get the sack these days off 7 poor results even if they've played brilliantly and been unlucky. People need to look beyond the points and STATS.
EDIT: Yes I understand THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS LOL but fuck your mother.
The traditional clubs have all been a pile of wank, but it's so much the better for it.
Sounds like it. Leicester. :cool:
randomlegend
22-03-2016, 12:46 PM
If you finish a point above another team at the end of the season then you're inarguably better by one point.
What a ridiculous statement :D
Disco
22-03-2016, 12:49 PM
You're right, lets just do away with the league table and give the title to whoever we think has done best. :cab:
phonics
22-03-2016, 12:49 PM
Have t Leicester had a record amount of penalties this season? Typical big teams getting all the decisions.
Magic
22-03-2016, 12:49 PM
You're right, lets just do away with the league table and give the title to whoever we think has done best. :cab:
JESUS are people incapable of seeing everything in BLACK AND WHITE.
Yevrah
22-03-2016, 12:50 PM
Have t Leicester had a record amount of penalties this season? Typical big teams getting all the decisions.
If they have it'll probably be the result of a fast paced counter that teams get caught by.
randomlegend
22-03-2016, 12:54 PM
JESUS are people incapable of seeing everything in BLACK AND WHITE.
I appreciate you being on the right side of the argument Mongson, but let's not piss it up by saying the precise opposite of what you mean.
Magic
22-03-2016, 12:55 PM
I appreciate you being on the right side of the argument Mongson, but let's not piss it up by saying the precise opposite of what you mean.
How is that the opposite? I'm saying look between the overall result. Black and white = win or lose.
I'm all for in-fighting, by the way, so bring it.
randomlegend
22-03-2016, 12:56 PM
How is that the opposite? I'm saying look between the overall result. Black and white = win or lose.
I'm all for in-fighting, by the way, so bring it.
You said they are incapable of seeing things in black and white, when seeing everything in black and white is exactly what they ARE doing.
You meant incapable of NOT seeing everything in black and white.
The league table is an exact science
Correct.
Magic
22-03-2016, 01:06 PM
You said they are incapable of seeing things in black and white, when seeing everything in black and white is exactly what they ARE doing.
You meant incapable of NOT seeing everything in black and white.
Listen, mate, I've had to contend with using baking butter for my sandwich, so I'm a bit off at the moment, yeah? You knew exactly what I meant, TOBY.
randomlegend
22-03-2016, 01:08 PM
Hug it out, mate. :console:
And if Palace had scored instead of hitting the bar? Newcastle?
I understand both sides of the argument here. People attach too much to points. A manager could get the sack these days off 7 poor results even if they've played brilliantly and been unlucky. People need to look beyond the points and STATS.
EDIT: Yes I understand THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS LOL but fuck your mother.
Palace hitting the bar is inaccuracy, not bad luck. And what about Newcastle? We weren't good but we still had the two best chances to score in that game, and took one. They didn't look like scoring.
Byron
22-03-2016, 02:21 PM
I do like the seethe from Magic while his club sinks into irrelevance.
Chin up mate, Leeds will be good again at some point.
Magic
22-03-2016, 02:29 PM
I do like the seethe from Magic while his club sinks into irrelevance.
Chin up mate, Leeds will be good again at some point.
No we won't.
Leice'ster have fluked it all season and will ruin our coefficient next year. And they're on drugs.
Magic
22-03-2016, 02:46 PM
RL and I are going to start spamming threads when the horse egg chat starts.
The league table is only an exact science if you believe that luck plays no part in football.
But Leicester have been the best team; if they stay five points clear it would be a pretty good indicator that luck was not the deciding factor.
The discussion has moved on to the talk of 1 point difference making a team better or worse than the other. Remember this discussion started about Sunderland being as good as a mid-table side which is 10+ points difference. One is mental, the other is inconsequential.
Lewis
22-03-2016, 04:05 PM
It's not an EXACT SCIENCE, but I can't recall too many champion/relegated teams who didn't deserve it.
What about Liverpool the other year?
It is EXACT SCIENCE in that you know EXACTLY what goes into it. As in, if you win (by scoring EXACTLY more goals than your opponent) you get EXACTLY three points. If you draw (by scoring EXACTLY the same amount of goals as you opposition) you get EXACTLY one point and if you lose (you know what goes here) you get zero points. Then at the end, the table is decided EXACTLY by who has more points (followed by goal difference and shit.)
The above is, I'm sure you will agree, far more EXACT than determining which team is 'better' based on NON-EXACT measurements such as who passes the ball around nicer, or who is more 'incisive' or whose players have more 'flair' or who got lucky or whatever other shit. So yes, it does not get any more EXACT than the bloody table.
Lewis
22-03-2016, 04:25 PM
What about Liverpool the other year?
They couldn't defend and BOTTLED IT.
Magic
22-03-2016, 04:26 PM
It is EXACT SCIENCE in that you know EXACTLY what goes into it. As in, if you win (by scoring EXACTLY more goals than your opponent) you get EXACTLY three points. If you draw (by scoring EXACTLY the same amount of goals as you opposition) you get EXACTLY one point and if you lose (you know what goes here) you get zero points. Then at the end, the table is decided EXACTLY by who has more points (followed by goal difference and shit.)
The above is, I'm sure you will agree, far more EXACT than determining which team is 'better' based on NON-EXACT measurements such as who passes the ball around nicer, or who is more 'incisive' or whose players have more 'flair' or who got lucky or whatever other shit. So yes, it does not get any more EXACT than the bloody table.
This is how I think Toby views football. He has no understanding of 'the beautiful game', and is one of those cunts that thinks it's purely a results business. BORING.
You can watch football for many reasons and derive enjoyment from different facets of the game, but the EXACTNESS of the table cannot and shall not be denied.
They couldn't defend and BOTTLED IT.
The par league doesn't lie. Just like the hips.
Disco
22-03-2016, 04:40 PM
This is how I think Toby views football. He has no understanding of 'the beautiful game', and is one of those cunts that thinks it's purely a results business. BORING.
There's nothing wrong with enjoying one aspect over another or liking how a team plays despite the results they get but the league table is absolutely a points business. It's the entire point of a league.
Now piss off back to your margarine sandwiches.
niko_cee
22-03-2016, 05:06 PM
I can't imagine Leicester have had more penalties than Liverpool had a few years ago.
ScousePig
22-03-2016, 05:21 PM
If you finish a point above another team at the end of the season then you're inarguably better by one point.
It means you've finished a point ahead. That's it. There are any number of reasons team A finished one point ahead of team B.
Giggles
22-03-2016, 05:24 PM
It means you've finished a point ahead. That's it. There are any number of reasons team A finished one point ahead of team B.
The main one being that they were better over 38 league games.
Giggles
22-03-2016, 05:25 PM
Fuck the Champions League, high profile preseason friendlies is when you know you've hit the big time.
http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/35872998
ScousePig
22-03-2016, 05:30 PM
The discussion has moved on to the talk of 1 point difference making a team better or worse than the other. Remember this discussion started about Sunderland being as good as a mid-table side which is 10+ points difference. One is mental, the other is inconsequential.
Swansea are ten points ahead of us. Four games ago they were four points ahead of us (we also have a game in hand) and we looked like catching them. If you think it's 'mental' to suggest that Sunderland might have a squad as good as someone like Swansea (and I include the other teams in and around that area) then crack on, but I'll pull you up when a side suddenly pulls back a ten point gap in a few games and makes you look a prat.
It is EXACT SCIENCE in that you know EXACTLY what goes into it. As in, if you win (by scoring EXACTLY more goals than your opponent) you get EXACTLY three points. If you draw (by scoring EXACTLY the same amount of goals as you opposition) you get EXACTLY one point and if you lose (you know what goes here) you get zero points. Then at the end, the table is decided EXACTLY by who has more points (followed by goal difference and shit.)
The above is, I'm sure you will agree, far more EXACT than determining which team is 'better' based on NON-EXACT measurements such as who passes the ball around nicer, or who is more 'incisive' or whose players have more 'flair' or who got lucky or whatever other shit. So yes, it does not get any more EXACT than the bloody table.
When about when it was only two points for a win and league tables could look different with the EXACT same results?
Disco
22-03-2016, 05:32 PM
It means you've finished a point ahead. That's it. There are any number of reasons team A finished one point ahead of team B.
I never said the distance was big, in fact it's about as small as it can get. If you want to get into it I'd say teams within five or so points of each other are broadly similar in terms of quality, but the teams who get more have still done better.
ScousePig
22-03-2016, 05:36 PM
I never said the distance was big, in fact it's about as small as it can get. If you want to get into it I'd say teams within five or so points of each other are broadly similar in terms of quality, but the teams who get more have still done better.
They've done better because they have more points. Obviously. It doesn't mean they are better. It really isn't far fetched to suggest that in another season Newcastle and Sunderland could have been on par with or above Swansea, Watford, Bournemouth and West Brom, and that they have as good a squads.
Fuck the Champions League, high profile preseason friendlies is when you know you've hit the big time.
http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/35872998
I'm not really a fan of this, to be honest. We'll make quite enough money from being in the Champions' League.
mugbull
22-03-2016, 05:48 PM
They've done better because they have more points. Obviously. It doesn't mean they are better. It really isn't far fetched to suggest that in another season Newcastle and Sunderland could have been on par with or above Swansea, Watford, Bournemouth and West Brom, and that they have as good a squads.
There's no such thing as "better" in the normative sense dude. There's better performance-wise, and there's the predictive power of better, performance-wise, in hypothetical scenarios, but nothing else.
Boydy
22-03-2016, 05:50 PM
Swansea are ten points ahead of us. Four games ago they were four points ahead of us (we also have a game in hand) and we looked like catching them.
You didn't though, did you?
Look at the games Swansea played in that period, was obvious they'd get a lot of points during that run. Anyone who thought Sunderland would catch a Swansea side with a better goal difference, far better team, four extra points and games against Villa, Norwich and Bournemouth is a mad man.
I can't imagine Leicester have had more penalties than Liverpool had a few years ago.
They'd be four points better off if they had scored the two penalties they missed. They seem to have had loads of penalties but it's all about getting players/ball in the box.
The above is, I'm sure you will agree, far more EXACT than determining which team is 'better' based on NON-EXACT measurements such as who passes the ball around nicer, or who is more 'incisive' or whose players have more 'flair'
:rolleyes: Nobody's mentioned anything about that.
Luck plays a part in football, so the league table is not 100% conclusive in determining who is a better team. Do you not agree that some teams get more luck than others? That's how luck works.
Disco
22-03-2016, 06:27 PM
They've done better because they have more points. Obviously. It doesn't mean they are better. It really isn't far fetched to suggest that in another season Newcastle and Sunderland could have been on par with or above Swansea, Watford, Bournemouth and West Brom, and that they have as good a squads.
Done better/are better, were slicing our regional delicacy of choice very thinly here. As for the second part, yes they may have (subjectively) slightly better or worse squads but it isn't just about how good your players are, I could manage Barcelona next year with the same squad they have now and I'm pretty sure they'd be terrible because I don't know what I'm doing.
I would absolutely agree with you if you were talking about their potential, we've seen this year how effective an unheralded group of players can be given the right coaching and motivation, but come the end of the season a team with more points is objectively better at league football.
Get ready for the Super League in a few years, Lee and Max. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/22/leicester-barcelona-chelsea-tottenham-liverpool-manchester-city-international-champions-cup
leedsrevolution
22-03-2016, 06:36 PM
:rolleyes: Nobody's mentioned anything about that.
Luck plays a part in football, so the league table is not 100% conclusive in determining who is a better team. Do you not agree that some teams get more luck than others? That's how luck works.
You are (in my opinion) thinking way to much into it. Football teams are judged on points at the end of the season, it's really as simple as that. You create your own luck don't you know.
This is one of the worst arguments we've ever had.
Disco
22-03-2016, 08:04 PM
And people said we would miss Harold, never underestimate TTH's capacity for pointless fannying.
Andy Walsh has resigned as general manager at FC United. It's been a while coming and will hopefully allow the club to move forward and return to what it was built for.
Shindig
22-03-2016, 08:22 PM
Was it built for anything other than, "Those Glazers will bankrupt United by 2012. Just watch."?
It was a fan created club to return the enjoyment to football without the pricks. They've largely succeeded but the cult of leadership has tarnished the club in recent months.
ScousePig
22-03-2016, 09:03 PM
Look at the games Swansea played in that period, was obvious they'd get a lot of points during that run. Anyone who thought Sunderland would catch a Swansea side with a better goal difference, far better team, four extra points and games against Villa, Norwich and Bournemouth is a mad man.
Apologies, I was thinking about when we beat them in mid-january. We were a point behind them. We then got back to within three points of them at the start of March.
But aye, MADNESS.
You didn't though, did you?
No, but it wasn't 'madness' to suggest we might. It was perfectly plausible.
There's no such thing as "better" in the normative sense dude. There's better performance-wise, and there's the predictive power of better, performance-wise, in hypothetical scenarios, but nothing else.
And there's occasions when there's very little to separate teams, which I believe is the case in this scenario.
ScousePig
22-03-2016, 09:07 PM
Done better/are better, were slicing our regional delicacy of choice very thinly here. As for the second part, yes they may have (subjectively) slightly better or worse squads but it isn't just about how good your players are, I could manage Barcelona next year with the same squad they have now and I'm pretty sure they'd be terrible because I don't know what I'm doing.
I would absolutely agree with you if you were talking about their potential, we've seen this year how effective an unheralded group of players can be given the right coaching and motivation, but come the end of the season a team with more points is objectively better at league football.
I started off by saying ours and Newcastle's squads are about as good as anything else in the bottom half, barring one or two sides. You've now pretty much agreed.
ScousePig
22-03-2016, 09:12 PM
Andy Walsh has resigned as general manager at FC United. It's been a while coming and will hopefully allow the club to move forward and return to what it was built for.
Are you seeing them much? We have another lad from there (George Thomson) who is in our school doing coaching a fair bit.
Never really. Different city.
Disco
22-03-2016, 09:20 PM
I started off by saying ours and Newcastle's squads are about as good as anything else in the bottom half, barring one or two sides. You've now pretty much agreed.
No, they might have the potential to be as good but so far they've been demonstrably worse and if they get less points across the season they will be a worse team.
And I'm beginning to hate myself so that's it, let's move on.
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