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QE Harold Flair
25-01-2016, 10:24 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/doug-richard-ex-dragons-den-star-paid-girl-13-for-sex-after-meeting-her-on-sugar-daddy-website-court-hears/ar-BBoFB9C?li=AAaeUIW


Doug Richard, the former Dragon's Den star and one-time business adviser to David Cameron, paid a 13-year-old girl for sex after meeting her on a "sugar daddy" website, a court has heard.
The 57-year-old American-born entrepreneur and millionaire allegedly arranged for two teenage schoolgirls to travel from their homes in Norwich to London, where he spanked and had sex with the younger one.
Mr Richard, who appeared in the first two series of the popular BBC show, has a long association with the Prime Minister having penned a report into the state of small business when the Tories were in opposition.
He also accompanied Mr Cameron on a trade mission to Southern Africa in 2011.
On the opening day of his trial at the Old Bailey on Monday, the jury heard that Mr Richard had made contact with the girls via an American website called "Seeking Arrangements", which offered to connect "sugar daddies" and "sugar babies".
Gino Connor, prosecuting, said Mr Richard, who is married with three children, described himself on the website as a "sugar daddy".
A deleted iChat conversation between Mr Richard and the 13-year-old, which was retrieved by the police, revealed how he persuaded her to travel from her home in Norwich in January last year.
In one conversation, he asked her: "Are you free to come to London after school?"
When she replied that it was difficult, Mr Richard allegedly responded: "Ok I will make a deal with you. I will wait for the following week if you send me those photos you promised."
He told her he wanted pictures of her in a "submissive pose", telling her: "On your hands and knees so I can see you helpless and exposed."
After sending him pictures, he told her he was "horny".
The court heard that the girls agreed to travel to London on January 2 last year and Mr Richard paid them £120 via a PayPal account.
After collecting them from the Norwich train, they visited a nearby cafe before Mr Richard suggested they go "somewhere private".
The court was told that he had asked them how old they were and they had lied and told him they were 16 and 17.

He then took them to an apartment he had rented in nearby Bishopsgate, where he asked the girls if they wanted to be his slaves.
The jury heard that the 15-year-old had kissed him, but had pulled away telling him she was not interested because he was "horrible and smoky". But the younger girl had agreed to have sex with him.
Mr Connor told the jury: "The defendant told the girl to remove her items of clothing one by one. She was compliant and undressed completely until naked. He told her to remove his clothing which she did. This included his trousers and boxer shorts.
"He told her to get on her hands and knees in front of him. She said she would rather be spanked first and lay across his lap. He spanked her on about seven occasions."

The jury was told that the 13-year-old then performed a sex act in front of the other girl before they went into an adjoining bedroom where it is alleged they had sex.
Mr Richard then gave the girls £60 each and called them a taxi so they could go shopping at a branch of American Apparel.
The girls returned to Norwich later that day and, after asking Mr Richard for more money, received another £120 via PayPal. But the mother of one of the girls called the police after becoming suspicious about a deposit in her daughter's bank account.
Mr Richard was arrested in the early hours of January 5 last year at the Lord Milner Hotel in Westminster.
After being cautioned, he told the officer: "As you can see I am in a lot of trouble."
He then asked the officer: "Can I ask you a hypothetical question? What if I thought she was over 16 but she was in fact under 16?"
When told he needed to discuss it with his lawyer, Mr Richard said: "Under 16, wow."
Mr Richard denies three counts of sexual activity with a child, one of inciting a child to engage in sexual activity and one of paying for the sexual services of a child. The trial continues.

The bolded bit was of particular wtf. A 13yo girl asking to be spanked before sex by an old man in his 50's or 60's? And her mate was there with her. How does that even come to happen? And I'm not even sure he should be found guilty given that they appeared to have lied about their ages. Not that an old man should necessarily be chasing 16 year old girls but it's not illegal, I suppose.

Toby
25-01-2016, 10:27 PM
So what's your angle here? Are you trying to suggest this is a new development? Or is it just another creepy, "they were asking for it" approach to sex abuse?

QE Harold Flair
25-01-2016, 10:29 PM
Why look for an angle? And they did, in fact, ask for it. Explicitly so. That's a fact.

Lee
25-01-2016, 10:30 PM
There are good arguments that kids are more sexualised than they have been in previous generations but I'm not sure the sexual abuse of a 13 year old is a very good example of that.

Yevrah
25-01-2016, 10:31 PM
Sigh.

Disco
25-01-2016, 10:31 PM
...an old man in his 50's or 60's?

Do you even read the stuff you post or is this just another attempt at hyperbole?

QE Harold Flair
25-01-2016, 10:31 PM
The fact is she was asking to be spanked and went to have sex. Obviously there has to be laws against that, but I'm not having her as a complete victim, either.

Disco - his age is irrelevant as he is obviously much older than them. Keep nitpicking though if you want. Makes for interesting debates.

Toby
25-01-2016, 10:32 PM
There are good arguments that kids are more sexualised than they have been in previous generations but I'm not sure the sexual abuse of a 13 year old is a very good example of that.

It's a particularly strange time to start suggesting that given Bowie's death saw all the stories about Lori Maddox and her fellow "groupies" resurface. It's not a new development in human nature.

Yevrah
25-01-2016, 10:32 PM
The fact is she was asking to be spanked and went to have sex. Obviously there has to be laws against that, but I'm not having her as a complete victim, either.

She's a 13 year old girl you wind up merchant. How can you bang on about Muslims being shit to women and then post this drivel?

Toby
25-01-2016, 10:34 PM
She's a 13 year old girl you wind up merchant. How can you bang on about Muslims being shit to women and then post this drivel?

It's not even a wind up. It's entirely evident that he fundamentally doesn't understand sexual consent.

QE Harold Flair
25-01-2016, 10:34 PM
She's a 13 year old girl you wind up merchant. How can you bang on about Muslims being shit to women and then post this drivel?

Quite easily. He was under the impression they were of legal age, and they were contacted via a website which also has a minimum age.

I'm just not having her completely blameless. I was of sound enough mind at that age to be not completely stripped of any moral responisbility whatsoever.

Magic
25-01-2016, 10:37 PM
Kev must be a virgin, mates.

QE Harold Flair
25-01-2016, 10:38 PM
It's not even a wind up. It's entirely evident that he fundamentally doesn't understand sexual consent.

Except I do, as I clearly stated it obviously shouldn't be legal. That doesn't mean she is blameless.

Lee
25-01-2016, 10:43 PM
Does Harold know about informed consent?

QE Harold Flair
25-01-2016, 10:45 PM
Do you know about thinking outside the law and what people tell you? Sometimes I wonder whether you people live in the real world.

Lee
25-01-2016, 10:47 PM
Who said anything about the law? And LOL at "what people tell you".

Alright, Hitchens/Farage/Murray.

Yevrah
25-01-2016, 10:48 PM
I'm just not having her completely blameless. I was of sound enough mind at that age to be not completely stripped of any moral responisbility whatsoever.

You really are a vile creature at times.

And as that's post 3, I'm out.

Toby
25-01-2016, 10:56 PM
That website is as lecherous and seedy as you'd expect, by the way: https://www.seekingarrangement.com/

Giggles
25-01-2016, 10:58 PM
Who said anything about the law? And LOL at "what people tell you".

Alright, Hitchens/Farage/Murray.

Saville.

QE Harold Flair
25-01-2016, 10:59 PM
Of course it is. Like any hookup site. Still, if the story is as it's been told, he should walk free.

Toby
25-01-2016, 11:03 PM
No, not like any hookup site. It's far worse than one linking two consenting adults without talk of money changing hands, and without terms like "sugar baby" being thrown around. And no, he definitely shouldn't walk free.

randomlegend
25-01-2016, 11:08 PM
"Sugar daddy" sites are just ones where young women take advantage of rich old men by getting them to buy them stuff - not usually gateways to paedophilia.

It's seedy but hardly awful.

Edit: never mind looks like that one is a bit different (although I've not actually opened it).

Kikó
25-01-2016, 11:08 PM
I wonder who he can defend/attack next. Boring man.

QE Harold Flair
25-01-2016, 11:17 PM
No, not like any hookup site. It's far worse than one linking two consenting adults without talk of money changing hands, and without terms like "sugar baby" being thrown around. And no, he definitely shouldn't walk free.

'Sugar baby' is the just the term for those seeking the sugar daddy. There are minimum age requirements like anywhere else. How is it worse? This kind of shit happens everyhwere because there are certain women who want to live that way.

QE Harold Flair
25-01-2016, 11:19 PM
I wonder who he can defend/attack next. Boring man.

What's actually boring is the uniformity and faux outrage. Oh and lies, of course. Goes without saying.

Toby
25-01-2016, 11:19 PM
"Sugar daddy" sites are just ones where young women take advantage of rich old men by getting them to buy them stuff - not usually gateways to paedophilia.

It's seedy but hardly awful.

Edit: never mind looks like that one is a bit different (although I've not actually opened it).

It plays on a similar sort of view of women's role in society and will always attract people like this, especially with the added factor of the "sugar baby" terminology in this case.

And I'd have a bit more time for claims the rich old man is being taken advantage of if he meets a young women and naively thinks her courting isn't do with his money, but that hardly applies in this case.

Henry
25-01-2016, 11:26 PM
Oh dear.

QE Harold Flair
25-01-2016, 11:28 PM
Oh and we have seen clear double standards on this as well, unsurprisingly. When it's a lad of 13 or 14 getting his end away with some female teacher it#s all 'I wish we had teachers like that lol', 'well in, son!'.

You know I'm right.

QE Harold Flair
25-01-2016, 11:29 PM
It plays on a similar sort of view of women's role in society and will always attract people like this, especially with the added factor of the "sugar baby" terminology in this case.

And I'd have a bit more time for claims the rich old man is being taken advantage of if he meets a young women and naively thinks her courting isn't do with his money, but that hardly applies in this case.

And what about women who want that role? Not much of a champion of their rights, are you?

Toby
25-01-2016, 11:29 PM
Oh and we have seen clear double standards on this as well, unsurprisingly. When it's a lad of 13 or 14 getting his end away with some female teacher it#s all 'I wish we had teachers like that lol', 'well in, son!'.

You know I'm right.

Only complete bellends say that sort of thing.

Toby
25-01-2016, 11:30 PM
And what about women who want that role? Not much of a champion of their rights, are you?

If they're adults then fine. I despair at the whole concept but I think they should be free to get on with it if they wish.

randomlegend
25-01-2016, 11:31 PM
It plays on a similar sort of view of women's role in society and will always attract people like this, especially with the added factor of the "sugar baby" terminology in this case.

And I'd have a bit more time for claims the rich old man is being taken advantage of if he meets a young women and naively thinks her courting isn't do with his money, but that hardly applies in this case.

The ones I'd seen before were women in their 20s getting sent shit without ever even meeting the sad old rich blokes.

As I said, seems this may be a bit different.

QE Harold Flair
25-01-2016, 11:41 PM
Only complete bellends say that sort of thing.

Well I'm fairly certain a few bellends said that sort of thing on the old board a fair few times. The point is, the reaction is completely different. You know exactly what I mean.

Toby
25-01-2016, 11:43 PM
Well I'm fairly certain a few bellends said that sort of thing on the old board a fair few times. The point is, the reaction is completely different. You know exactly what I mean.

There were bellends on the old board? Colour me shocked.

I know what you're trying to say but it's a complete nonsense point. Unless you find an example of those who've posted here saying that sort of thing there isn't any hypocrisy and you're just making an idiot of yourself.

Boydy
25-01-2016, 11:43 PM
Poor old Yev being implicated in this shitshow of a thread.

QE Harold Flair
25-01-2016, 11:48 PM
Well, he said the youngsters were becoming far too sexualised, and I brought the most obvious example of it.

Lewis
25-01-2016, 11:50 PM
I'm sort of with Harold here. By all means stick him on a register, but he's hardly abused her in the conventional sense.

QE Harold Flair
25-01-2016, 11:50 PM
There were bellends on the old board? Colour me shocked.

I know what you're trying to say but it's a complete nonsense point. Unless you find an example of those who've posted here saying that sort of thing there isn't any hypocrisy and you're just making an idiot of yourself.

Pretty sure Magic was a culprit. Taz, certainly. And I'm even more sure they wouldn't have got the same shit as anyone who would say the same about a female equivalent. Double standards DO exist on this and only the most ignorant would deny it.

Toby
25-01-2016, 11:53 PM
The two biggest sexual deviants on the board aren't the best names to chuck up.

I haven't denied that people do that anyway so I really don't get where you're going with this. Yes, there is still an idiotic disparity in the way people view sex, that sees men as conquerors and women as something to be conquered, which is why people give it the "lol lucky kid" when a female is shown to be a child sex abuser. That's an argument in favour of feminism, not against it.

John
25-01-2016, 11:54 PM
The 'but the place has a minimum age!!' defence holds even less weight here than it would in its natural habitat of the dubiously stewarded nightclub. If the girl was a year away from the threshold and looked particularly old then there might be some wriggle room, but fucking thirteen? As much as the Daily Mail would like to pretend otherwise, most thirteen year olds do not look, nor are they capable of making themselves look of age.

As has already been said, this is simply another example of Harold having a laughable amount of trouble with the concept of consent.

John
25-01-2016, 11:57 PM
The two biggest sexual deviants on the board aren't the best names to chuck up.

I haven't denied that people do that anyway so I really don't get where you're going with this. Yes, there is still an idiotic disparity in the way people view sex, that sees men as conquerors and women as something to be conquered, which is why people give it the "lol lucky kid" when a female is shown to be a child sex abuser. That's an argument in favour of feminism, not against it.

I've heard it vocalised as 'a lock which can be opened by many keys is a terrible lock, a key which can open many locks is an excellent key', which suggests an application of logic to the situation that belies the utter boneheadedness of the people who'd usually make that argument.

Also, :sick: at having had to write that sentence.

QE Harold Flair
26-01-2016, 12:11 AM
As has already been said, this is simply another example of Harold having a laughable amount of trouble with the concept of consent.

Except the very clear and obvious part which I said it should obviously still be illegal. How many more times? There are cases where the girl has lied about her age and the case therfor been thrown out. If he thought she was 16 and she said she was 16, that may well happen here.

Pepe
26-01-2016, 12:18 AM
Well if they said they were old enough then I don't see what else he possibly could have done to make sure. :rolleyes:

randomlegend
26-01-2016, 12:24 AM
If there's grass on the wicket...

ItalAussie
26-01-2016, 12:27 AM
We're done here. We don't need a thread dedicated to Harry espousing his views on underage sex. We just don't.

Get a blog.