Facebook silencing the right

[QE Harold Flair]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/technology/facebook-launches-controversial-censorship-campaign-7203347

This after Zuckerberg was heard telling Merkel that 'we're looking into it' when she complained about anti-immigration sentiment being expressed on Facebook.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VQGG3IYDxo


I think the far right will rise very quickly across the world and it will all be the fault of the far left, who are the opponents of free speech.

[Toby]

Use a different platform then.

[phonics]

Anyone with RedPill in their name is someone to be avoided AT ALL COSTS. What a bunch of nutters.


Red pill

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http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Red_pill#Red_pill

So to answer that question from another thread, Harold is very much part of 'the manosphere'

[QE Harold Flair]

Use a different platform then.

So you're happy with shutting down one side of the political spectrum?

[QE Harold Flair]

Anyone with RedPill in their name is someone to be avoided AT ALL COSTS. What a bunch of nutters.



http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Red_pill#Red_pill

So to answer that question from another thread, Harold is very much part of 'the manosphere'

Negative. This was one of the first (and shortest) videos to come up when I typed in facebook censorship. Nothing more, nothing less. Oh, and you're a paedophile! Since we're throwing around baseless accusations.

[Toby]

So you're happy with shutting down one side of the political spectrum?

I don't agree with the premise that that is happening.

[phonics]

Negative. This was one of the first (and shortest) videos to come up when I typed in facebook censorship. Nothing more, nothing less. Oh, and you're a paedophile! Since we're throwing around baseless accusations.

So you're not even curating the shit you expect us to watch?

[John]

Why did you have to post a video, Harold?

[Boydy]

He also posted a link to a thread on the men's rights sub-reddit in the other thread.

[Lewis]

My friend had a post deleted when he quoted some Kanye West lyrics with 'nigger' in. He used to like the Labour Party, but this happened after he voted Conservative in 2010. It's time phonics and the rest of the paedophiles woke up to this.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Men's rights is the biggest load of wank ever. Society remains massively skewed in favour of men in every conceivable way.

[QE Harold Flair]

I don't agree with the premise that that is happening.

That's because you're ignoring it.

[Toby]

That's because you're ignoring it.

Insightful argument.

[QE Harold Flair]

So you're not even curating the shit you expect us to watch?

It shouldn't matter who it was or what they stood for, as long as they were not telling people to hurt someone.

[Disco]

If it's the same subreddit I saw the other day (and thought, I wonder if Harold posts here) then my god what a place that is.

[QE Harold Flair]

Insightful argument.

About as insightful as yours. Should what that guy posted have been censored?

[Toby]

About as insightful as yours. Should what that guy posted have been censored?

I can't watch your video (and really couldn't be arsed to if I could). What did he post?

[QE Harold Flair]

He also posted a link to a thread on the men's rights sub-reddit in the other thread.

Well the Men's Right's people make some good points but too many of them are offence merchants. There's a few very good advocates with there, though.

[QE Harold Flair]

I can't watch your video (and really couldn't be arsed to if I could). What did he post?

He posted a video of a woman on a bus attacking a man and him hitting her back, then saying 'there's your equality' or something to that effect.

[John]

Videos of violence usually get deleted sooner or later. They'll miss some, obviously, but those 'bully gets knocked out' videos will be taken down when someone has a whinge about them. So not only is your video of a nutcase, it doesn't have anything to do with your wider point.

Choose a different one.

[Toby]

Probably not if it's as you describe, but then does he actually have any evidence of why it was removed?

Whatever the case, that doesn't really have any bearing on the article you posted or anything to do with "the right".

[Charlie]

Saw a Britain First video where they went round antagonising anyone brown and got into confrontation with them. It hasn't been taken down yet. More like fascistbook lol.

[Lewis]

I think the far right will rise very quickly across the world and it will all be the fault of the far left, who are the opponents of free speech.

I reckon the 'far right' are already radicalised and will just use the 'far left' as an excuse for their violence.

[QE Harold Flair]

Videos of violence usually get deleted sooner or later. They'll miss some, obviously, but those 'bully gets knocked out' videos will be taken down when someone has a whinge about them. So not only is your video of a nutcase, it doesn't have anything to do with your wider point.

Choose a different one.

Well, this was/is far more concerning - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/30/angela-merkel-caught-on-hot-mic-confronting-mark-z/

[QE Harold Flair]

I reckon the 'far right' are already radicalised and will just use the 'far left' as an excuse for their violence.

I think you miss the point. When legitimate concerns are silenced people tend to become more extreme. And those who wouldn't have become far right will be more likely to become so.

[QE Harold Flair]

Saw a Britain First video where they went round antagonising anyone brown and got into confrontation with them. It hasn't been taken down yet. More like fascistbook lol.

Link?

[QE Harold Flair]

Probably not if it's as you describe, but then does he actually have any evidence of why it was removed?

Whatever the case, that doesn't really have any bearing on the article you posted or anything to do with "the right".

Well it was removed from youtube, so he posted it on facebook, where it was also removed. Could be a coincidence, of course.

[Kikó]

Isn't Facebook a private format which has terms and conditions and the right to close anything breaching those? Much like this place, it's not a democracy.

[John]

Well, this was/is far more concerning - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/30/angela-merkel-caught-on-hot-mic-confronting-mark-z/

So just ignore the fact that about half the real estate of your opening post is taken up with a complete nonsense?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think you miss the point. When legitimate concerns are silenced people tend to become more extreme. And those who wouldn't have become far right will be more likely to become so.

The IRA use that argument to justify themselves, as do your mates in ISIS.

[John Arne]

Isn't Facebook a private format which has terms and conditions and the right to close anything breaching those? Much like this place, it's not a democracy.

Is what I was going to mention.

"Owwww... This website I joined for free don't let me do something waaaa waaaa"

Join a different website, not all websites are free-for-alls.

[Lewis]

The IRA use that argument to justify themselves, as do your mates in ISIS.

Way to ruin my afternoon.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm sure you'll still manage to drag 50 or 60 posts out of him before he has to go and dig his allotment.

[Toby]

Well, this was/is far more concerning - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/30/angela-merkel-caught-on-hot-mic-confronting-mark-z/


“Are you working on this?” Ms. Merkel asked in English, Bloomberg reported.

“Yeah,” Mr. Zuckerberg reportedly responded, before the transmission was disrupted.

Where "this" refers to undefined offensive comments about immigrants, and the reply is simply "yes [we're dealing with it]" with all context lost. You'd have to really let your imagination take over to get in any way worked up over that.


Well it was removed from youtube, so he posted it on facebook, where it was also removed. Could be a coincidence, of course.

So two completely independent companies deemed it necessary to remove it? Did either actually say it was because it was inflammatory? Did he actually own the footage in question?

[Baz]

I love bitches. I love pussy. I should be running PETA.