This Oscars boycott

[QE Harold Flair]

Hard hitting debate on the ever reliable channel 4 at the moment, between 2 people who completely agree that not enough black people are getting nominated. If only they could see the obvious - it's class, not race. Basically, what I want to know about all this right here, is what do you think of all this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f69PnAUwv-E

[Lewis]

The Oscar itself is a person of colour. What more do they want?

[Henry]

The Oscars are already obsessed with identity politics. I don't care very much.

[Yevrah]

I blame David Oyelowo and his bang average film from last year for all this.

[Kikó]

I think they should introduce the Rooney rule and make sure that at least one black nomination wins an award.

[Disco]

I hope Paul Ince has a good tux.

[Magic]

Already covered in the film thread, clowns.

[Yevrah]

Already covered in the film thread, clowns.

oh NOES!!

[QE Harold Flair]

Not by me :)

[Dquincy]

Already covered in the film thread, clowns.

No one cares what you think.

[Pleb]

Woof :D

[Yevrah]

I still can't believe the issue of latinos in Hollywood hasn't been brought up. Now there's an actual issue.

[Pepe]

You mean like the current (and next) best director winner?

Maybe there is a career move in there for me, where do I make my outrage public?

[Pepe]

It's still only Gael Garcia in terms of actors isn't it?

[Yevrah]

It's still only Gael Garcia in terms of actors isn't it?

That's what I was getting at.

If you're Latino in Hollywood you get to play a criminal or a criminal who deals drugs.

[Kikó]

What's the problem?

[Yevrah]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqA_e-NfYFg

What on earth is she like?

[Pepe]

That's what I was getting at.

If you're Latino in Hollywood you get to play a criminal or a criminal who deals drugs.

That's certainly the case but you they can always choose to go elsewhere and do proper films. I don't think Hollywood owes us anything.

[Yevrah]

What's the problem?

She's talking as though the Emancipation Proclamation never happened.

Absolute delusional nonsense.

[Kikó]

Sorry, I meant the accurate portrayal of latinos. :baz:

[Yevrah]

That's certainly the case but you they can always choose to go elsewhere and do proper films. I don't think Hollywood owes us anything.

Maybe, but in the context of this thread, where I don't think "people of colour" have been unfairly unrepresented, there's a very valid argument to say that Latinos are treated disgustingly by Hollywood. And no-one seems to give a shit about that.

[Yevrah]

Sorry, I meant the accurate portrayal of latinos. :baz:

Ah. To elaborate, she's basically spouting all the bullshit that will continue to drive and create a divide between white and black people even when there isn't one.

She also comes across as completely touched. Her husband goosing Margot Robbie must have hit her hard.

[John]

Michael Pena is doing alright.

[niko_cee]

Sorry, I meant the accurate portrayal of latinos. :baz:

http://www.lasplash.com/uploads//4/Splash_La_Cucina-6.jpg

[Yevrah]

Even though he did come across as a complete tool when Simon Mayo interviewed him (and the DR king stuff really can do one), Oyelowo makes a much better account of his argument here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlUL6oyDnWc

With the point about white characters holding the black character's hand pretty bang on the money.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Luvvies gonna luv.

As Oyelowo himself cites, why do you give a shit about some tinpot awards when the biggest two hits at the box office currently both star black leading actors? Films with black actors are a) getting made and b) hugely popular, so I don't know why the uproar about some old farts at the Academy.

[QE Harold Flair]

That idiot Smith bitch is clearly hamming that up. Imagine a white woman using 'us' and 'we' for her race.

Another obvious thing which nobody brings up - films are often based on histrorical events, either directly or partially. There weren't many heroic/tragic black figures in said historical events. This is baically akin to complaining about the vast over-representation of blacks in the NBA.

[Boydy]

Her husband goosing Margot Robbie must have hit her hard.

Wait, what?

[ItalAussie]

The problem in Hollywood is not at the awards level, but at the casting level. There's any number of reasons for it, but it's no secret that casting directors are afraid to let non-white actors get meaty roles in big movies, because profit margins are slim even on blockbusters, the price of failure is very steep, and they're afraid that audiences won't see films starring non-white actors.

The ethnic distribution of the Oscar nominations is a symptom of wider issues in the casting of films (which is that it's difficult for non-white actors to get roles in which their ethnicity isn't plot-centric, and this is normally justified by financial reasons). It's not good, but I don't know how you'd go about fixing the situation either. However, it's important to see that there's clearly a problem there, even if you're not sure how to approach it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm quite into black actors potentially playing characters who are historically white, unless whiteness is a key part of the character. Black Hamlet, black Henry VIII, bring them on.

White Othello could maybe work at a push, white Mandela doesn't work, white Shaun Goater in the Hollywood biopic about him could happen.

[Henry]

films are often based on histrorical events, either directly or partially. There weren't many heroic/tragic black figures in said historical events.

:lol:

[Shindig]

... Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.

[QE Harold Flair]

Interestingly, I'm watching The Martian now and every genius and/or heroic, apart from the lead figure, is either an ethnic of a woman.

[QE Harold Flair]

:lol:

What's funny? It's especially the case at Oscars that films based on true events come to the fore.

[John]

Interestingly, I'm watching The Martian now and every genius and/or heroic, apart from the lead figure, is either an ethnic of a woman.

That's historically accurate.

[Magic]

:D

Is he suggesting every movie should just be white men only?

Proper closet queer.

[Lewis]

I became convinced a while back that every TV court case has either a black woman judge or a black woman barrister. I was going to start keeping track of it, but I don't like any of you enough to bother.

[phonics]

Another obvious thing which nobody brings up - films are often based on histrorical events, either directly or partially. There weren't many heroic/tragic black figures in said historical events.

http://www.sherrehirsch.com/wp-content/uploads/movies-exodus-gods-and-kings-poster-01.jpg

[Yevrah]

I became convinced a while back that every TV court case has either a black woman judge or a black woman barrister. I was going to start keeping track of it, but I don't like any of you enough to bother.

The court case in series 2 of Broadchurch was quite incredible on that score. There must have been several meetings to orchestrate the quota led casting.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I became convinced a while back that every TV court case has either a black woman judge or a black woman barrister. I was going to start keeping track of it, but I don't like any of you enough to bother.

Every pub table in adverts has a black man sitting at it. One. Never two.

[randomlegend]

Are we allowed to say "coloured people/people of colour" or not? Because I've heard black people both using it and raging about it in equal measure.

[Yevrah]

Coloured is a definite no no, but personally I think "People of Colour" is a hateful phrase too.

I have a dream that one day it'll just be '"people".

[randomlegend]

How the fuck is 'coloured' any different from 'people of colour' :D

People be crazy.

[Yevrah]

People of Colour came up with 'people of colour' but people of colour didn't come up with 'coloured', white people did.

[randomlegend]

Like '-er' and '-a' I suppose.

[John]

I find myself wondering what that dick Ta-Nehisi Coates will have to say about this, but I daren't find out because I know I'll just end up staying awake seething about two hours later than I should. It'd be pleasant when I wake up from a dream where he gets punched to death, but it's just not worth it.

[QE Harold Flair]

That's historically accurate.

Since women are so rarely geniuses in the computing field I find it pretty laughable. Sometimes I think it's political correctness gone mad.

[QE Harold Flair]

:D

Is he suggesting every movie should just be white men only?

Proper closet queer.

I hope you're not using 'queer' in the perjorative? And no, I'm not suggesting that.

[Yevrah]

Harold's got a point about The Martian's diverse cast looking a bit forced.

I definitely clocked it on first viewing.

But given the protagonist is white, it still fits with Oyelowo's point.

[QE Harold Flair]

Coloured is a definite no no, but personally I think "People of Colour" is a hateful phrase too.

I have a dream that one day it'll just be '"people".

When the minorities stop using it as excuse for not getting on in life, it may be. Meanwhile, I think I'll choose not to be lectured to by multi-millionaires whinging about their opportunities.

[Henry]

There was severe institutionalised racism keeping them down for centuries, which only OFFICIALLY ended in the last few decades. The long-term effects of that in terms of education and economic status are going to take a bit more time to work themselves out, and aren't "excuses".

[phonics]

Harold's got a point about The Martian's diverse cast looking a bit forced.

I definitely clocked it on first viewing.

But given the protagonist is white, it still fits with Oyelowo's point.

I find Sci-Fi has always been more naturally diverse even dating back further than Alien even.

[QE Harold Flair]

There was severe institutionalised racism keeping them down for centuries, which only OFFICIALLY ended in the last few decades. The long-term effects of that in terms of education and economic status are going to take a bit more time to work themselves out, and aren't "excuses".

Of course they are excuses. White people are now discriminated against to help affirmative action. So there's very little excuse left.

[Raoul Duke]

I still can't believe the issue of latinos in Hollywood hasn't been brought up. Now there's an actual issue.

See, whereas in the porn industry they are absolutely fucking nailing it :cool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Don't you presume to lecture Yev about the porn industry.

[Lewis]

The court case in series 2 of Broadchurch was quite incredible on that score. There must have been several meetings to orchestrate the quota led casting.

That was when I first clocked it, given that the series was set in probably the whitest part of the country. Max Branning got sent down by one as well.


Since women are so rarely geniuses in the computing field I find it pretty laughable. Sometimes I think it's political correctness gone mad.

NASA's best-known (and presumably most important) computer scientist was a woman.

[QE Harold Flair]

NASA's best-known (and presumably most important) computer scientist was a woman.

Well that's my entire argument shot down in flames, then.

There's probably a few black people in the whitest part of the country, too.

[Lewis]

Seeing as a bird got Apollo 11 to the Moon, it ought to be less noticeable than black women filling half the courtroom in Dorset.

[QE Harold Flair]

I'm not sure she did it single-handedly. Don't quote me, though.

[Lewis]

It was her and Walter Dornberger.

[QE Harold Flair]

That's great. My observation remains unchallenged.

[ItalAussie]

Harold's got a point about The Martian's diverse cast looking a bit forced.

I definitely clocked it on first viewing.

But given the protagonist is white, it still fits with Oyelowo's point.

It should be pointed out that it's a fair representation of astronaut crews, which are actually rather diverse, both in terms of race and gender.

[ItalAussie]

Seeing as a bird got Apollo 11 to the Moon, it ought to be less noticeable than black women filling half the courtroom in Dorset.

Yup. In terms of computing and computer science in the US, Margaret Hamilton (the aforementioned NASA scientist) and Grace Hopper (a naval admiral) are right up in the highest echelon. Possibly John Von Neumann is the only person definitively out in front, and he was out in front of almost anyone anywhere ever.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Merit should be the only consideration.

[Pepe]

Harold's got a point about The Martian's diverse cast looking a bit forced.

Nasa's current Administrator and Deputy Administrator:

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/bolden_320.jpg

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/side_image/public/thumbnails/image/newman_320_0.jpg?itok=1WhYAg-5

As for the astronauts, feel free to go through the lists here:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/astrobio.html

and here:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/astrobio_international.html

[Lewis]

Maybe it's NASA's cast that has been forced. This 'Charles Bolden' figure was clearly chosen over the heads of equally/more qualified scientists-cum-war heroes-turned astronauts, and I wonder why that might have been.

[Pepe]

Well Obama chose him. #blacksareracisttoo

[Lewis]

That would have been his white half patronising you all.

[Toby]

Even with the diversity of the cast in the film there was a minor outcry over Mackenzie Davis being cast, as apparently her character was Asian in the novel.

[Lewis]

In the novel it's also the gays who send the supplies up. They just changed it to China for marketing purposes.

[randomlegend]

Even with the diversity of the cast in the film there was a minor outcry over Mackenzie Davis being cast, as apparently her character was Asian in the novel.

I never understand how it can be racist when a white person is cast into a non-white role but also racist to complain about the opposite.

Can't have it both ways, surely.

[Lewis]

J. K. Rowling forgetting her own work rather than point out that her character was white made me lol. She could have just said do what you want I make money either way, but no.

[Toby]

I never understand how it can be racist when a white person is cast into a non-white role but also racist to complain about the opposite.

Can't have it both ways, surely.

I think it's petty in this instance - especially as the character was changed rather than somebody "yellowfacing" - but you can surely understand why they're not really the same. There are plenty of white people in film, whereas some other groups probably are still under-represented. I'm not sure black people are one of those groups but Asians probably are. Aziz Ansari covered it pretty well in Master of None.

[QE Harold Flair]

Nasa's current Administrator and Deputy Administrator:

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/bolden_320.jpg

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/side_image/public/thumbnails/image/newman_320_0.jpg?itok=1WhYAg-5

As for the astronauts, feel free to go through the lists here:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/astrobio.html

and here:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/astrobio_international.html

Impresive admins, those.

Note to you: my original point was that nearly all the people who made genius discoveries or made heroic actions were either ethnics or women.

[Jimmy Floyd]

My mum was moaning the other day about a secretary in the TV film of 'Professor Branestawm' being black. The programme is set in a sort of 1950s-ish timeless English village, and she didn't think having a black person in that setting was realistic. She didn't complain about the lack of realism when Harry Hill wheeled an enormous tea making machine into a village council meeting, which proceeded to gain anthropomorphic characteristics and start unilaterally throwing slices of cake at David Mitchell and squirting milk at Ben Miller before setting fire to the building, but having a black person on the scene even in a junior office role reflecting their social status at the time was a step too far.

[randomlegend]

I think it's petty in this instance - especially as the character was changed rather than somebody "yellowfacing" - but you can surely understand why they're not really the same. There are plenty of white people in film, whereas some other groups probably are still under-represented. I'm not sure black people are one of those groups but Asians probably are. Aziz Ansari covered it pretty well in Master of None.

That's just positive discrimination. That's not how you get true equality in my opinion - it has to go both ways.

[Toby]

I agree but I completely understand why those from other backgrounds do not.

[randomlegend]

Well they can go fuck themselves.

[Toby]

Cool.

[randomlegend]

Of course I am, just look at those shades.

[Toby]

Only dweebs have avatars switched on.

[Magic]

White privilege.

[Disco]

Sounds like something Hovis would sell.

[randomlegend]

Only dweebs have avatars switched on.

If you say so. I'm not one to challenge someone on their specialist subject.

[Toby]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Britney-Spears-Cringe-Face.gif

[randomlegend]

https://media.giphy.com/media/sMABNWsUWPC1y/giphy.gif

[Boydy]

Why would you not have avatars switched on? It makes it far easier to quickly tell who's who.

Unless you're at work and trying to make it look as discreet as possible, I suppose.

[Toby]

I know who's who. It looks better, even without considering whatever nerdy shit Randrew was referring to.

[Baz]

You're missing out.

http://www.littlemonstersforum.co.uk/images/q/2wmk1a1v.png http://www.littlemonstersforum.co.uk/images/q/1tw3wwiy.png http://www.littlemonstersforum.co.uk/images/q/aw5bx8hq.png

[Pepe]

Impresive admins, those.

Note to you: my original point was that nearly all the people who made genius discoveries or made heroic actions were either ethnics or women.

Note to you: I do not care what your point was, I was addressing someone else (the person I quoted no less.)

[QE Harold Flair]

Yes, the same someone who was referencing my point.

[Lewis]

Richard Blackwood just failed to win a National Television Award that he should have won. I think this one might actually have been racism.

[John Arne]

I for one shall not be watching the Mobo's this year.

[Toby]

Best Actress nominee Charlotte Rampling has said the outcry is "racist to whites": http://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/jan/22/oscars-2016-charlotte-rampling-diversity-row-racist-to-white-people

Which by the looks of it has been comically ill-received on Twitter: https://twitter.com/search?q=Charlotte%20Rampling&src=typd

[QE Harold Flair]

Whites can't be the recipients of racism.

[Spoonsky]

It's like when the FA put that racist panel together. Which black people should have been nominated, and which nominees should have missed out? Name names you whinging cunts.

Michael B. Jordan in Creed and Idris Elba in Beasts of No Nation.

I haven't seen either so I can't really comment, but I imagine that's who they'll be thinking of. Cranston probably wasn't that great in Trumbo.

[Shindig]

Beasts of No Nation didn't get a cinema release. The Oscars isn't for made-for-subscription-service films.

[Spoonsky]

I didn't know that was part of the qualification. I guess it makes sense given they're trying to protect the film industry at large.

[Toby]

Seems more like its there to protect Hollywood than film in general. The rule is that films must be released in Californian cinemas before they appear in another format.

[Disco]

Such a ridiculous, not to mention meaningless, distinction.

[Shindig]

Yeah, the Oscars is in service to the Hollywood system and, as such, you can't get too pissy when it's an institutionalised back slap. I was going to make a point of Morgan Freeman not getting a gong but he won one for Million Dollar Baby. That's like Elbow winning the Mercury for their third album.

Its not so much about your calibre as the bank you make, really. Hence why Jennifer Lawrence is nominated for... whatever.

[Yevrah]

It should be pointed out that it's a fair representation of astronaut crews, which are actually rather diverse, both in terms of race and gender.

It wasn't the crew I was referring to.

[Yevrah]

Nasa's current Administrator and Deputy Administrator:

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/bolden_320.jpg

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/side_image/public/thumbnails/image/newman_320_0.jpg?itok=1WhYAg-5

As for the astronauts, feel free to go through the lists here:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/astrobio.html

and here:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/astrobio_international.html

Scrap the post above then. Nasa :cool:

[Yevrah]

Michael B. Jordan in Creed and Idris Elba in Beasts of No Nation.

I addressed this earlier, Beasts of No Nation isn't a film and more importantly, Idris Elba really isn't that good.

[Yevrah]

Such a ridiculous, not to mention meaningless, distinction.

It's a perfectly acceptable distinction. If you don't do that then shit like Sherlock can be nominated.

It's clear, or at least it should be, so if you want your film to be considered follow the rules.

[Yevrah]

That was when I first clocked it, given that the series was set in probably the whitest part of the country.

I think ITV were running scared of the Midsomer Murders fallout by that point.

[Lewis]

Michael B. Jordan in Creed and Idris Elba in Beasts of No Nation.

I haven't seen either so I can't really comment, but I imagine that's who they'll be thinking of. Cranston probably wasn't that great in Trumbo.

Michael B. Jordan did well to get in shape and film the boxing bits, but his acting between that is pretty normal.

It will be interesting to see what happens when they increase the 'diversity' of the people eligible to vote. Good idea, since it sounds like it's just white pensioners voting, but apart from the wank inference that white people simply instinctively vote for white actors (will the newly-recruited black members do likewise?), what if black actors are still under-represented on the shortlists?

[Yevrah]

Yeah, the Oscars is in service to the Hollywood system and, as such, you can't get too pissy when it's an institutionalised back slap. I was going to make a point of Morgan Freeman not getting a gong but he won one for Million Dollar Baby. That's like Elbow winning the Mercury for their third album.

Its not so much about your calibre as the bank you make, really. Hence why Jennifer Lawrence is nominated for... whatever.

There's also the fact that Oscar takes a body of work/"your turn" into account. Hence the Lord of the Rings shambles and Di Caprio winning this year (like many before him).

[Disco]

It's a perfectly acceptable distinction. If you don't do that then shit like Sherlock can be nominated.

It's clear, or at least it should be, so if you want your film to be considered follow the rules.

It's splitting hairs. They can use whatever rules they like when deciding what qualifies for their awards but let's not pretend there's any real difference made by how it's distributed. That's like saying it's not a sandwich if I eat it in a restaurant.

[Toby]

Do you think Di Caprio would be an undeserving winner Yev?

I've yet to see The Revenant but I'm not exactly sure where the competition is this year.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I had no idea Michael B. Jordan had got big. His turn in The Wire, though brief, was probably one of the best things in it, which is saying something.

[Yevrah]

It's splitting hairs. They can use whatever rules they like when deciding what qualifies for their awards but let's not pretend there's any real difference made by how it's distributed. That's like saying it's not a sandwich if I eat it in a restaurant.

There is a diference. As Tobes covered Beasts of No Nation not being allowed is a bit dodgy, but were it to be then all manner of wank (including Sherlock) would be eligible and I simply don't want to live in a world where Steven Moffat is ever eligible, let alone in with a chance, of winning an Oscar.

[Disco]

There is a diference. As Tobes covered Beasts of No Nation not being allowed is a bit dodgy, but were it to be then all manner of wank (including Sherlock) would be eligible and I simply don't want to live in a world where Steven Moffat is ever eligible, let alone in with a chance, of winning an Oscar.

It's a distinction they impose not an actual difference. Which is fine, it's their party they can invite who they like, but you can't seriously argue that it makes something better/worse if you show it in a cinema or on the telly.

[Bernanke]

Let's just clear this up. Beasts of No Nation was given a small theatrical release with the stated purpose of making it eligible for nominations. Two other Netflix-produced movies are nominated for Best Documentary.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/netflixs-12m-oscars-gamble-how-836265

[Yevrah]

Do you think Di Caprio would be an undeserving winner Yev?

Not necessarily as I think the lad's class and I haven't seen all of the other contenders, but given he's been nominated 4 times before and not won it would have taken something special to beat him this time round.

He should have won for The Departed in 2007, which for me is his best ever performance, yet he wasn't even nominated.

So to answer your original question (and pending seeing the other films that I haven't yet) it's probably the right call.

[Toby]

Let's just clear this up. Beasts of No Nation was given a small theatrical release with the stated purpose of making it eligible for nominations.

They should probably have studied the small print a but more diligently if that was their intent.

[Bernanke]

They should probably have studied the small print a but more diligently if that was their intent.

Could you supply me with a source that it wasn't eligible? Because all I'm finding is disappointment that it was overlooked.

[Yevrah]

It's a distinction they impose not an actual difference. Which is fine, it's their party they can invite who they like, but you can't seriously argue that it makes something better/worse if you show it in a cinema or on the telly.

I'm not arguing that it's better or worse in either format, just whether it should be eligible or not. I don't think it should, but I understand why others disagree.

[Yevrah]

Let's just clear this up. Beasts of No Nation was given a small theatrical release with the stated purpose of making it eligible for nominations. Two other Netflix-produced movies are nominated for Best Documentary.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/netflixs-12m-oscars-gamble-how-836265

That doesn't clear anything up, just another example of absolutely piss poor reporting on the issue.

Tobes clarified this on page 1. EDIT: Or in the Film thread. :cab:

[Bernanke]

That doesn't clear anything up, just another example of absolutely piss poor reporting on the issue.

Tobes clarified this on page 1.

So everyone reporting on it + people directly involved with the movie thought it could be nominated when it really couldn't, and no one from the Academy comes out to clarify that?

[Disco]

I'm not arguing that it's better or worse in either format, just whether it should be eligible or not. I don't think it should, but I understand why others disagree.

That's what I thought, I never realised they were quite so specific about where it had to be released though.

[Bernanke]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/34804739/idris-elba-says-netflix-films-like-beasts-of-no-nation-should-be-up-for-oscars


His Netflix film Beasts of No Nation is eligible for next year's Oscars.
That's because it was released in cinemas in LA but Academy Award rules discount films shown exclusively on streaming services meaning other Netflix films wouldn't be nominated.

[...]

According to Oscar rules "films that in any version, receive their first public exhibition or distribution in any manner other than as a theatrical motion picture release will not be eligible for Academy Awards in any category".
But they say that "motion pictures released in such nontheatrical media (like Netflix) on or after the first day of their Los Angeles County qualifying run remain eligible".
The rules also include having to be feature length, defined as over 40 minutes, and distribution within certain dates in LA county cinemas for more than seven days.

Again, would love a source that says something else.

[Spoonsky]

The bigger outrage is Rooney Mara being up as a supporting actress in Carol.

Why do we care about the Oscars? I include myself in this. It's clearly full of shit, yet for a solid month and a half it's all that people talk about re: the movies.

[Yevrah]

So everyone reporting on it + people directly involved with the movie thought it could be nominated when it really couldn't, and no one from the Academy comes out to clarify that?

This sort of thing can happen. For a start "everyone reporting on it" mostly consists of a rabble of professional offence takers and for a finish, why would Oscar even think about clarifying that? The rules are already there and entering into a discussion over this lands them knee deep in a debate that they clearly don't want to be having.

Tobes found the rules with a quick Google, and I didn't even need to see them to know that it wouldn't be eligible. If things not exclusively shown in cinemas first are eligible then you're opening yourself up to almost anything being eligible as long as some cunt's put it on a cinema screen at some point.

I think Making a Murderer, for example, was absolutely brilliant, probably more gripping than any film I've seen. But should it be eligible for an Oscar in 2017 if Netflix decided to stick it in a cinema this year? Should it fuck.

[phonics]

This sort of thing can happen. For a start "everyone reporting on it" mostly consists of a rabble of professional offence takers and for a finish, why would Oscar even think about clarifying that? The rules are already there and entering into a discussion over this lands them knee deep in a debate that they clearly don't want to be having.

Tobes found the rules with a quick Google, and I didn't even need to see them to know that it wouldn't be eligible. If things not exclusively shown in cinemas first are eligible then you're opening yourself up to almost anything being eligible as long as some cunt's put it on a cinema screen at some point.

I think Making a Murderer, for example, was absolutely brilliant, probably more gripping than any film I've seen. But should it be eligible for an Oscar in 2017 if Netflix decided to stick it in a cinema this year? Should it fuck.

You should probably refresh.

[Bernanke]

So why are What Happened, Miss Simone? and Winter on Fire: Ukraine's Fight for Freedom nominated?

Edit: Finally. :jayjay:

[Yevrah]

I just have. :D

[Toby]

Whatever I posted before was wrong, it was eligible: http://www.oscars.org/sites/oscars/files/88th_reminder_list.pdf

[Yevrah]

Ok, that's you removed from the 'those I implicitly trust' category.

Apologies Bern.

[Toby]

You'd better remove yourself too, Mr. 'I didn't even need to check'.

Those official rules didn't appear anywhere on the first page last time I checked so maybe they've taken the time they might have taken to deal with a press release and instead spent it on SEO.

[Yevrah]

Yep, I've just cut into a vein as punishment.