U.S. Presidential Election 2016 (Sponsored by Betty Croker's Hamburger Helper)

[phonics]

Twitter I bet.

An absolutely minute amount of people use Twitter so I doubt it. 67m registered (not active) users vs 214m on Facebook.

[mikem]

The point is that, if you are going to write a law, do it properly. Creating a law that is basically a giant loophole makes no sense.

We can also apply the very contemporary INEQUALITY paradigm to it. A poor woman will go to a doctor, he will say your health is not really in danger, and she will be screwed. Lewis's rich woman will worry about her stretch marks, will be told no, will get a lawyer, and get her abortion. because shit law-writing

Yes, absolutely - most country club obgyns are now going to be performing late term abortions and Planned Parenthood is going to turn poor women away. That’s 100% going to be the result!

[Pepe]

Or a law that's suitably broad to allow the individuals involved with specialist knowledge of that specific case the ability to navigate it to the best of their ability or should we have set of rigid laws and have every decision decided by a judge who is an expert in law not in medicine?

Those individuals with specialist knowledge would be able to navigate the case to the best of their ability if no law at all existed.

A law that achieves the same thing as not having the law at all is a shit law.

[randomlegend]

Well abortions after 23 weeks have entirely different criteria as I imagine you're aware.

I think as much as anything the legal requirements attached to abortions before 23 weeks now simply serve to function as a process to provide emotional and decision-making support to women. The law was - at the time it was written - I'm sure not intended to be such a catch-all but my personal opinion is that the way it actually functions now is entirely right, although clearly many wouldn't agree with that.

[Pepe]

Well abortions after 23 weeks have entirely different criteria as I imagine you're aware.

No, I am not aware. Thought we were talking late-term abortion here. I'm fine with it being a free-for-all up to a certain level (where that level should be is up for debate, of course) but at some point (again, debatable) it is hard to justify allowing it, and saying 'no one would do it unless they have a good reason' is not enough to convince me otherwise.

Although truth be told, I am not even sure why I am bothering right now. Frankly, I don't really care all that much, since what the law says does not affect me personally. From a purely academic perspective though, I find it quite hard to justify late-term abortion.

[bruhnaldo]

phonics In all honesty I had only seen how they "lit up" New York in pink to celebrate the "landmark legislation" or what have you and then as Pepe said saw the inevitable fallout between people saying how great it was or how cruel and disgusting it was on twitter.

The only thing I could piece together from both sides was that it (seemingly) allowed for abortions up until birth (and I hadn't seen anything about it being w/r/t the mother's health or etc.) In fairness the left was just celebrating women's rights and not really going much into any detail whereas the right side was going full worst case scenario.

I read someone describe in detail how the baby in it's 8th month would basically be injected with "poison", made to go through excruciating pain, the mother would then carry it for 24 hours and then "dispose" of it through the vagina (obviously) and I was like holy shit what the fuck. Then I saw a couple tweets from both sides confirming that it "allowed" abortions up "until term" and sort've made my mind up there.

And honestly that does kinda piss me off because I hate when other people do that and here I am kinda taking bits and pieces of information to make an opinion. I didn't really research much of it before asking you guys about it and for that I apologize because that's kinda somewhat irresponsible in a way I'd have to guess.

My problem is I have very little trust for the news at all these days and frankly I don't think I have the prerequisite intelligence to go through actual laws to interpret what it is they're talking about (though that may not come as any surprise to you fellas).

[randomlegend]

No, I am not aware. Thought we were talking late-term abortion here. I'm fine with it being a free-for-all up to a certain level (where that level should be is up for debate, of course) but at some point (again, debatable) it is hard to justify allowing it, and saying 'no one would do it unless they have a good reason' is not enough to convince me otherwise.

Although truth be told, I am not even sure why I am bothering right now. Frankly, I don't really care all that much, since what the law says does not affect me personally. From a purely academic perspective though, I find it quite hard to justify late-term abortion.

I can't list the exact criteria of the top off my head, but for abortions after 23 weeks it's only circumstances like the mother's life being directly in danger or the foetus having significant disabilities where it's legal.

The information in giving is for the UK btw, I know the initial debate sparked over US laws. Sorry if I've not made that clear.

In reply to bruh, yeah the mechanics of late term abortions are fucking grim.

[Bernanke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N01XWWTiq20

I love Vic Berger.

[ItalAussie]

Let's not pretend that the US right has any intention of waving through abortions before a certain cutoff, mind.

[ItalAussie]

I love how you're trying to approach 2019 in American Politics with the idea of 'out logicing' a party that believes the best protection against guns is more guns, abortion is murder, healthcare is a privilege not a right and that climate change isn't real but god is.

That's just the party, the actual base thinks everyone with a (D) next to their name is a satan-worshipping paedophile ordering 'cheese pizza' at Comet Ping Pong. And that's the normal ones who don't think QAnon is real.

You've completely lost sight of what's going on. The Democrats have asked what the 5.7 billion he asked for is for and no-one can say, it's just a number they made up. Now you want to put together an actual shopping list for them and expect them not to take hostages until they get literally everything you listed out?

Have you not been following the news for like... 12 years?
I think the smartest way to beat the Republicans is to goad them to a level of crazy that they can't even pretend to defend.

Although the pizza thing was somewhat chastening, I'll admit. But I have to believe that was just a vocal minority.

[phonics]

I think the smartest way to beat the Republicans is to goad them to a level of crazy that they can't even pretend to defend.

Although the pizza thing was somewhat chastening, I'll admit. But I have to believe that was just a vocal minority.

Roy Moore lost by less than spoilt/write-in ballots after several months of reporting on him attempting to woo 14 year old girls as a 40 year old man, ignoring that he's a quite literal racist.

[ItalAussie]

Roy Moore lost by less than spoilt/write-in ballots after several months of reporting on him attempting to woo 14 year old girls as a 40 year old man, ignoring that he's a quite literal racist.

To be fair, that was Alabama. Trump could take a dump on camera in the Oval Office and he'd get a solid 65% there.

[Lewis]

Were those new anti-Semitic Democrats elected in similarly solid areas? Not that you get these people on both sides or anything.

[phonics]

Who are the anti-semitic Democrats?

[Lewis]

I made them up hoping to fool you.

[bruhnaldo]

Weren't there two Arabic women who were elected having been accused of it, though?

[Spikey M]

https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/1091533510505086976?s=19

Fucking hell.

[Shindig]

I genuinely hope none of that is legit.

[Lewis]

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:harold:

[Pepe]

Do you think he will live-tweet the debates? :drool:

[John]

'TRAIL' is so good.

[Boydy]

Yes, it is 'so good' that the president of the USA is making a mocking reference to their genocidal history.

[John]

Yes, it is 'so good' that the president of the USA is making a mocking reference to their genocidal history.

You know he's going to do that sort of shit, so at this point you might as well just lol at how brazen it is.

[Lewis]

Not to mention his continued adherence to the TTH Style Guide.

[Spikey M]

What if that's where Harold went?

[phonics]

When I see people I know are racists being racists my first reaction is also to laugh at how clever the reference is.

[John]

When I see people I know are racists being racists my first reaction is also to laugh at how clever the reference is.

You think that's a clever reference?

[randomlegend]

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/aqxz36/president_trump_declares_national_emergency_at/

Soz for linking reddit thread. Lol America.

[Pepe]

It's all good, the Green New Deal is coming.

[Shindig]

All this over a fence the three prior presidents have been given the thumbs up to build.

[Raoul Duke]

Beginning of the slippery slope towards becoming a fascist state. This is America.

[Lewis]

It's all good, the Green New Deal is coming.

Good to see my bird 'AOC' going from strength to strength. If she was a Republican she would have been lolled into suicide by now.

[Shindig]

Not if you call it a freedom fence and charge $5 for pictures with it.

[mikem]

Good to see my bird 'AOC' going from strength to strength. If she was a Republican she would have been lolled into suicide by now.

Why? It is a messaging bill. The point is to make D’s say “Green New Deal” so they are stuck with trying to implement something at some point. Just like Trump and the wall or the Tea Party and Repeal Obamacare. It is only bad for whoever gets stuck trying to implement it.

[Pepe]

Is that a good tactic for the 'dems?' It gives Trump the easiest campaign in the world; all he has to do is shout that the commies are coming to get your cows and your planes and half the country will get riled up. On the other side, does anyone care about global warming outside college campuses?

[Shindig]

Trump just has to put a fence up for four more years, tbh.

[mikem]

Long term it probably hurts D’s when they can’t deliver but that won’t be the AOC / Bernie crowds problem. They’ll just bitch about the corrupt corporate Dems which their base will believe regardless.

In 2020, possible but it involves the 2020 election being a referendum on the Democrats and not a sitting President who is wildly unpopular and won’t have an achievement to run on because he is a classic Neustadt failed president. Do re-elects ever become referendums on the other guy? Will a dumbass who just choose the worst polling option, which has been blasted by Coulter and co on the hard right, that involves winning an appropriations pr fight about 9 billion that is mostly Pentagon money, a million legal fights, and it is never ever ever getting built (they are still fighting the expropriation when Bush expanded the fence).

What’s the fucking pitch?

Everything has been so calm and smooth - it will be chaos now!!! Trump is shit at politics, doesn’t learn, and prioritizes a base that is 35% of the country.

[Lewis]

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:lol:

[Shindig]

Okay, that's top notch.

[ItalAussie]

Good to see my bird 'AOC' going from strength to strength. If she was a Republican she would have been lolled into suicide by now.

Good on her. It's great how frothingly angry she makes Republicans. And how inept they are at landing a hit.

[Lewis]

Mate she is clinically brain dead.

[Spikey M]

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:lol:

:D

[ItalAussie]

Mate she is clinically brain dead.

And yet she has no trouble getting the Fox nutjobs riled up on a nightly basis. And they wind up saying things that are even stupider than usual.

She knows what she's doing.

[Queenslander]

Yeah AOC and the Muslim sheila know exactly what they are doing IMO.

One of them will probably cark it before they can do anything worthwhile.

[mugbull]

I also love AOC for the indignant reactions she elicits from right-wing nutjobs. Even Lewis is shook.

[Queenslander]

Lewis Abbott

[Lewis]

I hadn't considered she was playing 4D chess. Now I see it.

[bruhnaldo]

I love AOC so much

[mikem]

Why does it have to be genius? Media pressure is the only option for members of Congress who have no institutional power. It’s the same playbook the Tea Party used. Just smart entry level politics from people who think controlling the party platform is some kind of win.

It likely won’t result in any more policy wins, but all these people are obsessed with the Overton Window. She likely only has this level of coverage until the invisible primary ends, may as well use it.

[Henry]

The President of the United States just threatened "retribution" against a comedian for mocking him.

[bruhnaldo]

It's almost as if he's trying to get impeached sometimes tbqh.

[phonics]

Insert Bernie talking about the Starbucks wanker into my veins.

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[Spoonsky]

Bernie announced today. I feel like there's no way he'll have the same success as in 2016, but I'll probably vote for him at least.

[Shindig]

I dunno. Depends who else is trying to get in on the Democrats. He has a bonus of Trump now being the devil you know.

[Spikey M]

There's never been a leftie that hasn't been given the 'pink, commie, devil worshipper' treatment, but Bernie vs Trump would take that shit to the next level. :drool:

[Pepe]

Bernard. :cool:

Now all we need is for Rand to make a run and we will party like it's 2016.

[mugbull]

Rand Paul :sick:

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm no socialist, and Bernie is a bit of a mug, but they could probably do with a few years of left-wingery to sort various things out over there.

[Pepe]

Rand Paul :sick:

You wish you had hair like that.

[mugbull]

He’s about 3 steps further along on the curly spectrum than i am, and i’m eternally grateful that i don’t have to deal with that kind of hair

[Pepe]

That 'Tucker Carlson' chimpout was good.

[Boydy]

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[niko_cee]

I thought he'd get more flack for that "Is the wind blowin' darlin'?" speech he did seeing as it appeared to happen at about the same time that the wind was killing a fair few of his good 'ole fellow patriots.

[Boydy]

THAT'S NOT MELANIA!

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[bruhnaldo]

The stand-in Melania thing is hilarious

[John]

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Whatever you think he's going to do, it isn't that.

[Disco]

As if he's snuffing out lives one by one, that is very creepy.

[mugbull]

I think that’s really cute actually

[bruhnaldo]

That's the weirdest shit I've ever seen

[Bartholomert]

Bernard. :cool:

Now all we need is for Rand to make a run and we will party like it's 2016.

Fun fact his son is now in my fraternity.

[Spikey M]

Cake isn't cake if it doesn't have the spittle of the birthday boy/girl all over it.

[Shindig]

Fun fact his son is now in my vagina.

Now it's a fun fact.

[phonics]

Trump seems to be at some sort of military event complaining that John McCain didn't thank him for giving him a nice funeral.

[bruhnaldo]

Trump didn't collude with Russia per the Mueller report.

[Lewis]

I really thought he was finished this time. lol at the media still not giving in though.

'Well, it doesn't say he isn't a Russian agent, so...'

Lads.

[Bernanke]

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[Lewis]

If he tweets the word 'e-victory' or the :evictory: smiley then we should officially become a Trump forum.

[Spikey M]

Baz, send one of your TTH business cards to the White House.

[Kikó]

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[Lewis]

I'm struggling to follow that. He seems to think that 1) Trump set the terms of the investigation; and 2) daft cunt followed them, all the while ignoring the 'public evidence' (lol) that shows Trump relieved sanctions on Russia (?) in return for money (?). That was the REAL collusion, and there is enough 'public evidence' - like his book, presumably, which sounds utterly mental - to impeach him.

Have a sit down and a wank lad. :cab:

[Pepe]

The extent of all of this still is that 'Russia' bought a few facebook ads, isn't it? Pure lol.

[Kikó]

I'm struggling to follow that. He seems to think that 1) Trump set the terms of the investigation; and 2) daft cunt followed them, all the while ignoring the 'public evidence' (lol) that shows Trump relieved sanctions on Russia (?) in return for money (?). That was the REAL collusion, and there is enough 'public evidence' - like his book, presumably, which sounds utterly mental - to impeach him.

Have a sit down and a wank lad. :cab:

More than Mueller seems to have investigated collusion on something wasn't the thing anyone was accusing him of collusion of (or at least seriously). Let's see what happens with the current cases and continuing investigations.

[bruhnaldo]

Jesus it never ends.

[Lewis]

Yeah let's wait for the Maryland Attorney General to bring him down.

[ItalAussie]

Without the Mueller report being made public, this will change the mind of precisely nobody.

[Shindig]

Yeah let's wait for the Maryland Attorney General to bring him down.

He's too busy watching Duke in March Madness.

[Henry]

The whole thing is a fucking farce. The political classes have wasted two years on this conspiracist shit and have now handed Trump a huge boon going into the 2020 election. Where might things be if they had focused their efforts on his harmful policies?

[phonics]

The whole thing is a fucking farce. The political classes have wasted two years on this conspiracist shit and have now handed Trump a huge boon going into the 2020 election. Where might things be if they had focused their efforts on his harmful policies?

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[Henry]

Except that's not really true. I mean, Joe Biden currently leads the polling for the 2020 nomination.

[bruhnaldo]

Trump's not gonna lose.

[John]

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No, you can't see how innocent we are unless we can relitigate a four year old non case.

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47822839

"The US has revoked the entry visa for the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (ICC), Fatou Bensouda.

The decision is thought to be the US response to Ms Bensouda's investigation into possible war crimes by American forces and their allies in Afghanistan.

The US secretary of state had warned the US might refuse or revoke visas to any ICC staff involved in such probes."

Mate.

[niko_cee]

They already don't accept the legitimacy of the court, so that's hardly surprising.

[Spikey M]

I didn't say it was surprising.

[phonics]

Seth Abramson is currently up to 120 tweets in his twitter thread. get a blog you fucking nut bag.

[mikem]

Seth Abramson’s a well known grifter. And anyone who thinks Democrats actually running for things spent any time at all on Russia related nonsense is an idiot confusing Twitter and punditry with the actual campaigns. They’re Dems. They are crap but not completely incompetent.

All they did was marginally outperform national polls in a standard reversion to the mean midterm. Between the midterms and specials, they picked back up 700 of the 1,500 local seats they’d spent 10 years losing. Including over 80 judges in Texas alone, 3 out of 4 congressional seats in Iowa, their first statewide win in Az since the 80’s, and a couple new gov races including Kansas.

Bog standard, replacement level boring Dems did that. The way they always do by screaming bloody murder about Medicare and Social Security. Only 50% of national Dems have any idea who AOC is or what the Green New Deal is, and if you ask them about progressives they think you are talking about a car insurance company or a brand of canned soup. Of course Biden is leading the polls now. If you thought something else was gonna happen at this stage you really don’t understand anything about American politics.

[phonics]

Not sure who's putting more effort in, the queen not to look too miserable or the buttons on that shirt.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270326079648956433/585229830665273375/D8KzqbxXUAELb2Q.png

[Magic]

That's like one of those Cold War Steve mash ups. Where's Les Dennis?

[Spoonsky]

First of two Dem debates tonight. We sticking with this legendary thread or starting fresh?

[Lewis]

I love how Joe Biden is coasting through the middle simply by not being [too much of] a spastic.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm just looking down the wikipedia list of declared democrats, it really is a wonderful world of discovery.

Michael Bennet - presumably with the spelling fancies himself as a bored dad looking Jed Bartlet. Can't see any other reason why anyone would vote for him
Joe Biden - at the end of two terms he would be 86, him and Jeremy Corbyn can have a special relationship bond comparing colostomy bags
Cory Booker - looks like a bald Herman Munster. I'm guessing he's the token black guy.
Steve Bullock - you can't have a President named after a type of cattle. Governor of Montana. Does Montana even need governing?
Pete Buttigieg - didn't this guy have his own mania a while back? Fuck knows why, he looks like someone that got rogered in high school showers. Also, Mayor of South Bend, Indiana? Really?
Julian Castro - you really think swing voters are ready to vote for someone with an accent on his name who looks like Manny Calavera? Think again
Bill de Blasio - I've heard of this guy, which in the current climate means he definitely has no chance.
John Delaney - it's reassuring to know that there is still plenty of leprechaun blood at the top of US politics, if being the rep from Maryland 6 is indeed the top
Tulsi Gabbard - has the right balance between being ethnic enough for East Coast liberals to patronise her, and white-looking enough for sad men to fancy her. Still, she's 38, so lol.
Kirsten Gillibrand - presumably just been spat out of the same centre left bollocks leader candidate machine that produced Ed Miliband
Mike Gravel - seriously?
Kamala Harris - ah, now here's the real token black, and also a woman. I think you can maybe get elected as one of those things in America (though it's in increasing doubt), but not both. Sorry.
John Hickenlooper - we're not even halfway through the alphabet yet, christ. Has been Mayor or Governor of Colorado for almost 20 years, so presumably high as a kite to think he can win the presidency with a name like that.
Jay Inslee - his logo says 'Inslee: Our Moment'. I doubt that.
Amy Klobuchar - who even are these people?
Wayne Messam - ah, this is the proper token black. Can any old twat declare for this or do you have to have certain backing?
Seth Moulton - Trump will be running scared of a centrist dad looking bloke called Seth Moulton.
Beto O'Rourke - I've heard this name a lot without really knowing who it is. Now I've found out who it is, it turns out he's a limp useless fucking twat. Oh well.
Tim Ryan - from looking at him I'm just going to assume he's Paul Ryan's Democrat twin.
Bernie Sanders - ....

I'm not going past there. I've seen enough. Congratulations Donald Trump.

[Lewis]

I also like how the Fake News Media has suddenly found a load of shit on Biden's past that was seemingly beyond their investigative skills for all those years.

[mugbull]

Liz Warren is talking the big talk that all the Dems should. Shame about not being Native

[phonics]

I'm just looking down the wikipedia list of declared democrats, it really is a wonderful world of discovery.

Michael Bennet - presumably with the spelling fancies himself as a bored dad looking Jed Bartlet. Can't see any other reason why anyone would vote for him - No idea

Joe Biden - at the end of two terms he would be 86, him and Jeremy Corbyn can have a special relationship bond comparing colostomy bags.Should be running in the Republican primary, would be the best candidate they've had in years.

Cory Booker - looks like a bald Herman Munster. I'm guessing he's the token black guy. More influential than 'token black guy' but is relying on voters to confuse him for the other black guy. Best nugget so far? He's been using anecdotes of a drug dealer called 'T-Bone' for 15 years. Only problem is T-Bone doesn't seem to exist.

Steve Bullock - you can't have a President named after a type of cattle. Governor of Montana. Does Montana even need governing? Apparently the number 1 issue voters care about in Montana is Wolves which I'm not sure is enough of a hot button issue to go national.

Pete Buttigieg - didn't this guy have his own mania a while back? Fuck knows why, he looks like someone that got rogered in high school showers. Also, Mayor of South Bend, Indiana? Really? Because his campaigns run by a very well connected spin doctor and he's being funded by Wall Street to appeal to the youngs with his narrative of 'I served in Afghanistan but I'm Gay!?!?'. He has absolutely nothing of value to say but he can say it in five languages which impresses the beltway media.

Julian Castro - you really think swing voters are ready to vote for someone with an accent on his name who looks like Manny Calavera? Think again
Bill de Blasio - I've heard of this guy, which in the current climate means he definitely has no chance. Mayor of New York, 0% in the polls and 45% of primary voters who know who he is dislike him.

John Delaney - it's reassuring to know that there is still plenty of leprechaun blood at the top of US politics, if being the rep from Maryland 6 is indeed the top Who?

Tulsi Gabbard - has the right balance between being ethnic enough for East Coast liberals to patronise her, and white-looking enough for sad men to fancy her. Still, she's 38, so lol. the anti-american empire candidate, would have destroyed in 2008 but she couldn't run due to being 27

Kirsten Gillibrand - presumably just been spat out of the same centre left bollocks leader candidate machine that produced Ed Miliband running on the 'Hilary without the baggage' ticket

Mike Gravel - seriously? Campaign is literally being run by socialist-podcast listening teens in an attempt to troll the debate rules into getting on the stage so Gavel can call Henry Kissinger a war criminal on tv

Kamala Harris - ah, now here's the real token black, and also a woman. I think you can maybe get elected as one of those things in America (though it's in increasing doubt), but not both. Sorry. Definitely not token, very serious person but at the end of the day she's a cop and fuck cops.

John Hickenlooper - we're not even halfway through the alphabet yet, christ. Has been Mayor or Governor of Colorado for almost 20 years, so presumably high as a kite to think he can win the presidency with a name like that.
True story:
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Jay Inslee - his logo says 'Inslee: Our Moment'. I doubt that. One issue candidates can be good (see Bernie) but not in a field of 43

Amy Klobuchar - who even are these people? Only thing I know about her is she throws things at her staff if they fuck up her menu order

Wayne Messam - ah, this is the proper token black. Can any old twat declare for this or do you have to have certain backing? At least Delaney and Bennett made me think 'yeah I've heard of that guy'

Seth Moulton - Trump will be running scared of a centrist dad looking bloke called Seth Moulton.Looks like Seth McFarlane, tried to remove Nancy Pelosi as Speaker for being too communist.

Beto O'Rourke - I've heard this name a lot without really knowing who it is. Now I've found out who it is, it turns out he's a limp useless fucking twat. Oh well.Should have run for Senate.

I'm not going past there. I've seen enough. Congratulations Donald Trump.

The only important person you missed is Marianne Williamson which is basically like Eileen Drewery running for President.

[Yevrah]

If the Democrats lose twice in a row to Trump they may as well pack up and go home.

[mugbull]

Warren’s easily the best candidate. Not sure about who the most electable is - Klobuchar maybe? She’s properly into the Midwestern issues, could pick up the Iowas and Wisconsins

[Queenslander]

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[Bernanke]

:D

[Spoonsky]

Oh yeah, my friend met Mike Gravel last month.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Hopefully his running mate Paul Patio will add some gravitas to the ticket.

[Pepe]

"Electability" is the wankiest of all wanks.

[Pepe]

What a shitshow that was.

Bernard is still the best. That woman at the edge was also a good laugh.

[Baz]

The only important person you missed is Marianne Williamson which is basically like Eileen Drewery running for President.I saw a tweet that said something like Marianne Williamson is a combination of all of the leading newspapers' online comment sections manifested as one human.

[phonics]

I saw a tweet that said something like Marianne Williamson is a combination of all of the leading newspapers' online comment sections manifested as one human.

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[mikem]

Since this is what was I doing my aborted dissertation in, here is a whole bunch of nonsense you were all neither asking for or likely interested in:

Michael Bennet - Former Colorado public school official around the time of the Littletown shootings. Kept getting promoted in the aftermath cause everyone else was useless all the way into getting appointed to the Senate. Used to be worthwhile before parliamentary style politics hit the senate. Not much point to him anymore except he thinks an American audience can follow marginal policy details, just beat cancer, and hates Mitch McConnell more than anyone but Harry Reid. Gave his first speech that featured a raised voice a couple months ago and has decided that retirement is gonna be a bunch of yelling.
Joe Biden - Uncle Joe makes me sad. Used to be a wonderful specimen. Now just looks a bit tired. Likes to lose presidential nomination races. Fuck off if you think he is a Republican.
He has been solidly 7.25% left of center in the D Caucus since the 1970’s so he used to be iffy about school integration. Mildly amusing watching Phonics, Chapo and the online left utterly confused that he is walking away with the Union vote and if he keeps the most important and pragmatic constituency of the party he could still win. The online left still doesn’t know who that is or why they are: The 9:30 mark of this clip is old glorious Joe:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRlQjw_mKzs
Cory Booker - Streetfight is a good movie. The kind of Ned Flanders American that even other Americans think must be fake because you can’t possibly be that earnest, but I honestly think he is. Mock him all you want - he’s fucking Rosario Dawson and you are not.
Steve Bullock - Consistently wins statewide in blood red Montana. Maybe could be useful? Let’s have the crystal lady instead.
Pete Buttigieg - He’s good at Bill Clinton style politics. Managed to make a name for himself because the entire country has been forced to watch Notre Dame play college football every Saturday for forty years. The Supreme Court plans are so silly.
Julian Castro - Has a twin brother. Rising star new face of the Democratic Party since 2007! Took Bernie thirty years to move the Overton Window on universal healthcare. Castro got the entire field to adopt open borders and universal healthcare in single debate without them or even the public noticing simply because he’s the only person who knows what the names of the fucking laws are.
His entire policy portfolio is a rewrite of immigration laws, destroying NIMBY Zoning, and desegregating schools. Obviously, the left thinks he is a neoliberal corporate shill. Winner, so far, of the “No - You go back to Texas debate.”
Bill de Blasio - More unpopular than Donald Trump. Even for Democrats. How is this possible? Well, if you decide to celebrate being an ass at a debate in Florida by going to a rally of Cuban emigrees and spouting off Che Guevara lines? That’s how.
John Delaney - I am such a geek about this stuff and I am utterly clueless.
Tulsi Gabbard - Grew up in a Hawaiian Hindu spinoff cult. Doesn’t like war but enjoys a candlelight dinner with Assad while praising his treatment of his citizens.
Kirsten Gillibrand - Former hard core center right Blue Dog Dem. Current arch progressive. What will it be tomorrow? I kid, she is ridiculous but she took on the military over sexual harassment and won 30% so she has probably achieved more than the rest of the field combined.
Mike Gravel - Teenagers, oh so serious about left politics that they are raising money ostensibly to “give to Flint about the water” but seem to keep spending it on traveling around the country to show how cool and woke they are. There will be like $5 left over for a liter of water for the poors after we finish the fight to have the janitors pitch in to pay off the debts of all the lawyers in the office cause that is universal man. And no, a tax on individual financial transactions is not a tax on the banks it is something that banks will add to their pricing structures.
Kamala Harris - Best primary debate performance I’ve ever seen. Not all that good at campaigning but she just kills at political set pieces. My mom and six sisters are all either criminal or civil rights attorneys so the whole prosecutor thing creeps me out but people seem to think “Kamala is a cop” will play poorly with in the Midwest or in the general. That sounds dumb to me. If she can get in the top three in Iowa she has the most room to grow while Bernie fucks Warren’s chances.
John Hickenlooper - Wrong Jimmy - he made beer. Rest is pretty accurate.
Jay Inslee - I am a single issue candidate.’what is the question? Oh, greatest geo-political threat? China!
Amy Klobuchar - Could win this thing in a heartbeat in 1992. Wins every district in a midwestern state and throws things at her staff. To be fair they expect her to eat her salad with a comb so I’m not sure she is wrong.
Wayne Messam - Stopped pretending
Seth Moulton - Kind of sad. His candidate recruitment program Service America found and coached something like 25-28 of the mid thirty seats Dems took from R’s. And people who won safe seats like AOC and Omar get all the credit. On the other hand, dumbass challenged one of the only two American politicians who are good at their job.
Beto O'Rourke - I know 7 different Texans who have all spent 30-50 years on god’s good Earth that never did more than vote every other election. All of these people were so moved they volunteered to work for his campaign so I assumed there was something there. There was only a puppy who wants to jump on a table and may get so excited he pees on you. Probably done for good.
Tim Ryan - from looking at him I'm just going to assume he's Paul Ryan's Democrat twin.
Bernie Sanders - Slayer of Dragons, Mover of Overton Windows.. I actually really like Bernie. He is an excellent back bencher that keeps people honest but he just doesn’t understand party politics. If 25% is enough to win (and it may be this time) then he has a chance. But relying solely on the vote of the people who hate the party apparatus and want to destroy it may.... just may .... just not be the way to win over a coalition with large chunks of people who have never had another path to power. Or you could just have listened to James Baldwin fifty years ago:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_fZQQ7o16yQ
Warren - Honestly, I am impressed. Had a game plan, just plowed through when she got written off, and works her ass off. I’m agnostic about the policies but she is a worker and is more concerned with completion than being 100% right. Winning the party decides primary. Only Bernie splitting the left and her lack of money and insane burn rate can kill her off.
Williamson - Future GOOP columnist, lover of crystal, totally crazy, and speaker of truth. She is 100% correct when she says “your plans are not going to beat Trump.” It is a re-elect you muppets. Make it a referendum on Trump and stop with the one weird trick to win elections.

Trump - meh, incumbent so must be the favorite but a weak one. Classic failed American President. And the dirty secret is that Paul Ryan and Cocaine Mitch got what they wanted and killed Trump’s agenda, but only political scientists noticed. If you don’t believe me, just answer the following questions: when was the new NAFTA signing? And when did it pass the legislature?

[phonics]

[QUOTE]
Joe Biden - Uncle Joe makes me sad. Used to be a wonderful specimen. Now just looks a bit tired. Likes to lose presidential nomination races. Fuck off if you think he is a Republican.
He has been solidly 7.25% left of center in the D Caucus since the 1970’s so he used to be iffy about school integration. Mildly amusing watching Phonics, Chapo and the online left utterly confused that he is walking away with the Union vote and if he keeps the most important and pragmatic constituency of the party he could still win. The online left still doesn’t know who that is or why they are: The 9:30 mark of this clip is old glorious Joe:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRlQjw_mKzs[ (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRlQjw_mKzs)/QUOTE]

I didnt say he was a Republican, I said he'd be the best Republican candidate. Honestly a bit surprised at your agnosticism vis a vis Warren, thought she'd land right in your wheelhouse. I'm full Liz Lad.

[phonics]

By the way, Duncan Hunter continues to be the most interesting story around.

The man known as the vaping senator was re-elected despite facing charges of embezzlement including listing his video games as campaign expenses.

The trial is beyond words.

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Once again:
https://i.imgur.com/hlurLBd.png

https://i.imgur.com/H8pp3Oi.gif

[phonics]

It's a tough contest but one of my favourite Trump tick of the moment is him being repeatedly convinced to do somethingby various unnamed Sexy Generals. It's so funny that all these people who identify as alphas worship the most fay, camp media man around.

[Bernanke]

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The only candidate roundup you need.

My favourites:

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[phonics]

In another truly stellar week for this White House, the Secretary of Labor has resigned for cutting a sweetheart deal with a billionaire paedophile when he was a prosecutor and his replacement for the Secretary of Labor position is a guy who was lobbying on behalf of literal sweatshops in a previous career.

[randomlegend]

Even Trump can't get away with this latest comment, surely.

[mugbull]

U serious bro?

[Spikey M]

Even Trump can't get away with this latest comment, surely.

How much do you want to bet?

[phonics]

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Timeless.

[Lewis]

It seems more stupid than OFFENSIVE, since he probably thinks that they are actually immigrants.

[phonics]

He thinks anyone brown is an imiigrant. Like the 'Mexican' judge from Indiana. It's racist.

[Disco]

Of course it is, but at this stage what difference does it make?

[phonics]

I was replying to Lewis trying to say he was simply misinformed.

[Spikey M]

What do we think it would take for him to actually go? A Clinton job wouldn't come close. Would a Watergate? I don't reckon it would.

[mugbull]

I think no single event, as long as he somehow walked it back or claimed innocence, would ever cost him enough for the Senate to try to get rid of him. Only some sustained policy shift (“I’ve decided to give amnesty to all illegal immigrants, and open our borders once and for all”) could do him in, as long as he kept it going and didnt claim fake news

[Lewis]

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4D chess mate never in doubt.

[John Arne]

Nadia Murad: They killed my mum, my six brothers, they left them behind
Trumpster: Where are they now?
Nadia Murad: They killed them. They are in a mass grave in Sinjar

[Lewis]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAWCX_3WwAYFYBI?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

:lol:

[Queenslander]

Im dining out on Epstien.


https://youtu.be/OJpPiZClb48


https://youtu.be/OPoohlcHNkE

[Bernanke]

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If he ends up being the nominee, the debates between him and Donald will be absolutely incredible.

[Pepe]

He's definitely senile. Mumbled his way through the whole thing.

Pepe's current favorites:
1. Bernie
2. Pocahontas
3. Andrew 'Andrew Yang' Yang
4. Tulsi Gabbard

Everybody else should just go home now, waste of space the lot. I guess the weirdo woman could stay for the bants.

[Ian]

Do any of them stand a chance if they win or is it going to be an utterly depressing Trump steamroller job?

[Pepe]

I don't think that the American political landscape allows for any steamrolling, but I still think that Tronnie wins by a wider margin than last time around regardless of who is the opponent.

[Lewis]

Whoever gets the nomination it will go like this:

'You're rubbish you, Trump. Values. You do and say loads of rubbish things. America.'
'Do you still want Open Borders you Mentalist???'
*wins*

[Mazuuurk]

Apparently Trump has sent the "U.S. special presidential envoy for hostage affairs" to the ASAP Rocky trial which is under way here in Stockholm today :D

[Ian]

That whole thing is a bit lol.

"Only WE are allowed to treat our black people unfairly!"

[Mazuuurk]

He's not even being treated unfairly, as far as I can tell.

[Disco]

You haven't shot him yet so it's already an improvement on the US justice system.

[Shindig]

The landscape's changed but much more on the voter side. Could you imagine in 2010 a bunch of fucking memelords turning up to vote?

[phonics]

He'll lose because he's not got more popular over the last four years after an election where he won by a combined 72,000 votes across 3 states.

[Ian]

He's not even being treated unfairly, as far as I can tell.

Oh I don't imagine for a second that he's being treated poorly or unfairly in anyway.

[Mazuuurk]

Yeah I think the thing is he is being treated fairly, just like anyone in custody would be.

In the US, that seems really baffling to them. But, but.... he's famous!?

[Alex]

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Check the wordplay. Guest spot on the next album confirmed, surely. :cool:

[Shindig]

He should celebrate with a sexual assault on American soil.

[ItalAussie]

I assumed that the Democratic candidates having it out would lead to them destroying each other, but it didn't seem to hurt the Republicans last time around.

By the time the Presidential election rolls around, everyone will have forgotten the primaries, and they'll all be best buddies.

[Gavel]

If Bernie gets in it'll really signify a NEW PAGE in American politics.

[Disco]

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

[bruhnaldo]

Trump is going to win, trust me lads.

[Pepe]

Are you voting for him again?

[mugbull]

Of course, that whole Obama/Trump crowd is gonna “grudgingly” vote for him again on the grounds that whoever the Dems nominate is simply a worse option.

“Oh, America is in real trouble, it’s so sad that we’re forced to choose between these two buffoons” they’ll say, completely oblivious to the fact that they’re literally the ones making it worse

[mo]

I thought the banning of 'Gavel' a tad harsh to begin with, but see now it was entirely justified.

[ItalAussie]

Trump is going to win, trust me lads.

I can't see it going any other way.

If I was a Democratic candidate, I'd campaign on "aren't you just a bit sick of Trump being the headline every single day? I'll just keep my mouth shut for the first six months."

[phonics]

You have the worst political ideas. You voted for Trump because you thought the system was broken, vote for me and I’ll do nothing at all!

[ItalAussie]

I don't think it would truly win, although I imagine there must be some fatigue setting in at some point.

That said, I don't think anyone other than Trump will truly win.

[Shindig]

People like to be outraged too much. They won't vote for quiet politicians any more. Although, if Trump's videogame ban gets through, that could change. Well, probably not. I just think it's dumb how that's come about.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mv9KSqxvzw

Good job.

[Ian]

Man writes manifesto with lines almost directly lifted from Trump quotes and speeches.

Man makes a photo of Trump's name spelled out with guns.

Man shoots up a load of people.

"Hm, must be videogames."

[ItalAussie]

Man writes manifesto with lines almost directly lifted from Trump quotes and speeches.

Man makes a photo of Trump's name spelled out with guns.

Man shoots up a load of people.

"Hm, must be videogames."

It's a good thing the rest of us don't have video games. We'd be in real trouble otherwise.

The best one was the Republican who specifically called out Japan as a country without video games. Mate.

[Yevrah]

The economy is doing really well at the moment, no? And if so, incumbents don’t generally lose in those circumstances.

Not that I think anyone can actually beat him anyway. I was staggered to see Trump at evens. If I had more balls I’d put my savings on it.

[Shindig]

The best one was the Republican who specifically called out Japan as a country without video games. Mate.

Yep. $71bn made last year from gaming alone in Japan. More than twice the money America makes from guns.

[Ian]

The best one was the Republican who specifically called out Japan as a country without video games. Mate.

Whaaaaat?? Who?

Fucking hell.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Give it up Ian, the TRUTH is out there now.

[Queenslander]

I can see a scenario where Bernie wins.

[Yaysus]

Man writes manifesto with lines almost directly lifted from Trump quotes and speeches.

Man makes a photo of Trump's name spelled out with guns.

Man shoots up a load of people.

"Hm, must be videogames."

man makes threats like the average antifa on twitter

man whines about cops all the time

man would've shot even more people if there wouldn't be tons of cops nearby

"hm, must be drumpf"

instead of, you know, right- and left-wings radicalizing themselves further and further, one group doing it on places like 8chan who barely anyone knew about and the other on twitter where a big part of western society supports the radicalization because idpol/woke shit sells
not to mention most news sites making mass shootings a supposedly white problem...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338420232014004224/608050597597282305/FB_IMG_1565039458215.png

[phonics]

lol of course the german weirdo has the 'okay' sign in his avatar.

[bruhnaldo]

I thought he just said "it's the video games!" and then someone meme'd and said lol you know cause Japan's issue with mass shootings.

I don't think he literally said anything about Japan.

[Shindig]

I want to go back to a time when the internet was just small sites about a shit local band. It's too easy now. Too easy for someone to roll deep on a conspiracy theory, side with some fucking dumb cause and connect with like-minded arseholes.

[Yaysus]

lol of course the german weirdo has the 'okay' sign in his avatar.

First of all, I've had that avatar way before it became a "hate sign", you absolute bellend (can't wait to get a warning for that :loser:)
don't know what my country has anything to do with that or why you have to mention it, considering it's nowhere on my profile nor did I ever mention my country in any of my posts
being called weird by you of all people is probably the worst part, though

[Henry]

The economy is doing really well at the moment, no? And if so, incumbents don’t generally lose in those circumstances.

The economy is not doing particularly well. The stock market is. People confuse the two.

[mugbull]

The indicators are doin alright but there’s trouble a-brewing and has been for 2 decades

[Shindig]

Heh. Yaysus changed his avatar after phonics screeched. The one thing I always come back to about the mass shootings is how no bystanders fire back. At that point, 90% of guns in US households are just ornaments.

[phonics]

Heh. Yaysus changed his avatar after phonics screeched. The one thing I always come back to about the mass shootings is how no bystanders fire back. At that point, 90% of guns in US households are just ornaments.

9 people had taken out their weapons by the time the shooter had fired off 14 shots. You don’t need a good guy with a gun, you need one with a time machine.

[Shindig]

Point is, America has no good guy with a gun. They just have consumers. Sell the guns with fuck all ammo. But tell them it's already loaded.

[phonics]

What?

[Yaysus]

Heh. Yaysus changed his avatar after phonics screeched. The one thing I always come back to about the mass shootings is how no bystanders fire back. At that point, 90% of guns in US households are just ornaments.

it was this before https://kayo.moe/iXJvVLst.jpg

[Spikey M]

Point is, America has no good guy with a gun. They just have consumers. Sell the guns with fuck all ammo. But tell them it's already loaded.

Uwotm8

[Shindig]

It's a nation of cowards but they can't stop spending on firearms. Why not make ammo the thing you have to get screened for?

[niko_cee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZrFVtmRXrw

[Ian]

Joe Biden seems to have said that poor kids are "as talented as white kids."

Being racist and ignorant to poverty in your own country at the exact same time and so succinctly is pretty impressive to be fair.

[phonics]

It's a nation of cowards but they can't stop spending on firearms. Why not make ammo the thing you have to get screened for?
I’ll say it again. What?

[randomlegend]

Is yaysus a mert account or have we actually attracted a new (and insane) member somehow?

[phonics]

He posted on the old board.

[Yaysus]

I'm usually just lurking, but considering how any kind of opinion that isn't trumpf/guns bad makes you apparently insane here, I'll just go back to that ��

[mugbull]

You seem like an incel

[Yaysus]

what?

[Shindig]

I'm usually just lurking, but considering how any kind of opinion that isn't trumpf/guns bad makes you apparently insane here, I'll just go back to that ��

Thanks for boiling decades of gun debate into something dumb. Your argument about the internet fostering these mindsets is right but, at the end of the day, legislation is in the politician's wheelhouse. Legislating internet usage is a motherfucker. Legislating against firearms is ... theoretically easier and you can gather the data to suggest whether legislation is working.

[Yaysus]

Thanks for boiling decades of gun debate into something dumb. Your argument about the internet fostering these mindsets is right but, at the end of the day, legislation is in the politician's wheelhouse. Legislating internet usage is a motherfucker. Legislating against firearms is ... theoretically easier and you can gather the data to suggest whether legislation is working.

of course guns should be way more restricted than they are, no argument there, it's way too easy to get access to them legally
but that doesn't solve a different problem: criminals/would-be getting their hands on guns, because that won't change no matter the legal situation or availability of said guns, if anything it makes it harder to track them
you'd have to undo a long history of guns being a common right, which I doubt is possible to due it just being so ingrained into the mindset/culture of america
other countries with similar/comparable amount of guns per capita have way lower murder numbers, so it's not the guns, it's the culture/people handling the guns
maybe glorifying violence in 90% of the media isn't the way to go, after all

[Shindig]

criminals/would-be getting their hands on guns, because that won't change no matter the legal situation or availability of said guns

False. Say America went big and ditched the 2nd amendment. Possession of guns becomes illegal. Firstly, where do criminals get their firearms? They'd have to source from Mexico or Canada which both require permits and clear criminal records. This is why Mexican gangs prefer to go North for its guns. Either way, they'd have to cross back into the US, face potential border checks, etc. On top of that, they run the risk of being caught on possession every time police decide to stop and search.

It's no good being defeatist about it. Small steps like the Brady Bill have to happen to get the US comfortable with the gradual erosion of a 250+ year right. Someone needs to have the bottle to propose a road map. Strangely, Trump's the first President that might be daft enough to do it.

[Yaysus]

False. Say America went big and ditched the 2nd amendment. Possession of guns becomes illegal. Firstly, where do criminals get their firearms? They'd have to source from Mexico or Canada which both require permits and clear criminal records. This is why Mexican gangs prefer to go North for its guns. Either way, they'd have to cross back into the US, face potential border checks, etc. On top of that, they run the risk of being caught on possession every time police decide to stop and search.

It's no good being defeatist about it. Small steps like the Brady Bill have to happen to get the US comfortable with the gradual erosion of a 250+ year right. Someone needs to have the bottle to propose a road map. Strangely, Trump's the first President that might be daft enough to do it.

you're forgetting that agencies like the ATF keep "losing" guns or get it "stolen", though

[Lewis]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAWCX_3WwAYFYBI?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

:lol:

Bump.

[Boydy]

https://i.ibb.co/TcpKYbm/ezgif-5-ff54d5c1ad53.gif

[mikem]

People are so weird. Trump essentially won by 100 - 150k votes in three Midwest states. Incumbents normally win but It isn’t some insane task. We are currently in the incumbent advantage part of the cycle but they will pivot to the general.

The economy is so-so. Jobs are strong, wage growth meh, and farm incomes have imploded. They wouldn’t be floating all this “the media is causing a recession” nonsense or “we should do a payroll tax cut” if the White House itself thought the economy was so great. Trump can’t win with just his base, he needs the R base or new voters.

[bruhnaldo]

Trump's not losing, my man.

[mugbull]

What he said was right tho. All it takes is 40k voters each in Wisconsin, Penn and Michigan to switch from Trump to Democrat and he’s lost. It really isn’t that hard, especially since you’re not going to get many people voting for him this time who didn’t last time

[mikem]

It was close to 15, 40, 70 if I remember correctly. How many dairy farms have closed in Wisconsin? Something like 10,000? Since the steel tariffs what has happened to auto / heavy machinery jobs?

It is a harder sell than Clinton is bad.

[Mazuuurk]

It kind of seems like the Democrats are properly fucking themselves over by presenting about 200 candidates that are all quite different anyway.

[mikem]

Well, Trump lost in 2016 because everyone mocked the 17 Republican candidates. Oh, wait.....

People spend too much time on the candidates and not enough on the voters. Most candidates poll at 1%, so they will be as remembered as Paul Tsongas, Tim Pawlenty, and Bobby Jindell. 3-5 candidates have a chance to win or exceed expectations in Iowa and New Hampshire in February.

Nobody ever paid any attention to the silly season preceding Iowa before. This potentially is a close election so people could be introduced to delegate math after Bernie starts reporting that Biden won 28% of the initial vote, Warren 25% Bernie 13%, and Harris 8%. It is entirely possible due to vote spread for this initial vote to turn into Biden winning 45% of the delegates, Warren 40%, Harris the rest and Bernie nothing. The scenes .....

[Shindig]

I could see Biden in the White House .... narrowly.

[Lewis]

He's got dementia.

[Shindig]

Yeah, so's Trump.

[mikem]

Last time he ran Biden kept calling Obama “Barrack America” and he asked a paraplegic lawmaker to stand up and take a bow. He’s always been like this but it looks horrible now because he is ancient.

[Lewis]

The NARRATIVE has shifted from gaffe-prone to mental retard for some unknowable reason.

[mikem]

He’s ancient and he’s running a general election campaign in the primary so he doesn’t have to pivot. It all feels a bit out of date. He’s the front runner now but I’d bet the field.

[phonics]

If Biden wins the nomination then America will be ruled by someone who's brain is no longer functioning.

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[Bam]

If Biden wins the nomination then America will be ruled by someone who's brain is no longer functioning.


#PresidentPhonics

[Queenslander]

Biden for President.

https://m.imgur.com/r/cringeanarchy/ni2Gw4Z

https://i.imgur.com/ni2Gw4Z_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[Lewis]

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'I think you'll find that I'm the mentalist.'

[mikem]

He’s a dove hawk.

[Pepe]

No Tulsi Gabbard. :(

[Queenslander]

No Tulsi Gabbard. :(

Should have kept her whore mouth shut.

[mikem]

No Tulsi Gabbard. :(

Is it the Assad apologia or the gay conversion therapy you are missing? Don’t worry, I wouldn’t count her out of the Jill Stein primary just yet.

[Queenslander]

Didnt she get fucked over by the Dems for calling out Harris over her record?

[Pepe]

Is it the Assad apologia or the gay conversion therapy you are missing? Don’t worry, I wouldn’t count her out of the Jill Stein primary just yet.

The good looks is what I am missing.

[mikem]

Didnt she get fucked over by the Dems for calling out Harris over her record?

By whom? The DNC? The sum total of their power is to set the debate schedule and enter fundraising agreements with candidates. If they rigged it they did it by requiring a whole TWO polls that show you have 2 percent support and a list of 130,000 individual donors. Bennet and Delaney criticized Bernie and didn’t make the debate. Must have rigged it for Bernie, huh?

[Lewis]

Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. “Where’s my favorite dictator?” Mr. Trump called out in a loud voice as he looked over a small gathering of American and Egyptian officials.

:lol:

[Queenslander]

By whom? The DNC? The sum total of their power is to set the debate schedule and enter fundraising agreements with candidates. If they rigged it they did it by requiring a whole TWO polls that show you have 2 percent support and a list of 130,000 individual donors. Bennet and Delaney criticized Bernie and didn’t make the debate. Must have rigged it for Bernie, huh?

I dont have a dog in the race.

[mikem]

As a Democrat, I only really am upset by the idea that they are competent enough to rig a primary.

[Queenslander]

How they select Super delegates is pretty suss isnt it?

[phonics]

As a Democrat, I only really am upset by the idea that they are competent enough to rig a primary.

They seem to have looked at Corbyn's 'holding every position at once and please no-one' Brexit strategy and applied it to the impeachment process.

I swear I've seen 3 quotes from the same guy saying they're not doing it/they're considering it/they're already doing it.

[phonics]

How they select Super delegates is pretty suss isnt it?

Yes they're extremely suss but in true Democratic Party fashion, they've never actually changed a result.

[Queenslander]

Fair enough.

Im a sucker for a lefty podcast so Ill believe anything for a day or so.

[phonics]

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[mikem]

Fair enough.

Im a sucker for a lefty podcast so Ill believe anything for a day or so.

I go to Arizona state party and county meetings and was dragged to them as a kid in Louisiana cause the family business is suing the cops. Superdelegates look suspicious from afar because they are appointed but it isn’t if you know the actual makeup of party establishment in the states.

The party establishment they are selected from are the volunteer types who bother to show up and do a bunch of thankless mostly unpaid work. The prestige / self importance of being a delegate is what a local teacher’s union chapter head, AME church deacon, or Planned Parenthood manager gets as a payoff.

Could they vote to swing an election against the popular primary vote? Sure, but they won’t. If the party establishment in AZ is picking anyone it isn’t Harris or Biden, but Warren. The problem with the left podcast crowd (not Bernie - he is fine, but his hangers on) is that they are neither culturally part of any section of the American working class nor do they have any genuine personal affection for it. They clearly feel superior to the peons whose lives they are enriching and don’t get why said peons don’t want to join their movement.

[Queenslander]

I go to Arizona state party and county meetings and was dragged to them as a kid in Louisiana cause the family business is suing the cops. Superdelegates look suspicious from afar because they are appointed but it isn’t if you know the actual makeup of party establishment in the states.

The party establishment they are selected from are the volunteer types who bother to show up and do a bunch of thankless mostly unpaid work. The prestige / self importance of being a delegate is what a local teacher’s union chapter head, AME church deacon, or Planned Parenthood manager gets as a payoff.

Could they vote to swing an election against the popular primary vote? Sure, but they won’t. If the party establishment in AZ is picking anyone it isn’t Harris or Biden, but Warren. The problem with the left podcast crowd (not Bernie - he is fine, but his hangers on) is that they are neither culturally part of any section of the American working class nor do they have any genuine personal affection for it. They clearly feel superior to the peons whose lives they are enriching and don’t get why said peons don’t want to join their movement.


Fair enough that makes a lot of sense Ill have to have little read about your State.

I only really listen to Chapo and that is mainly due to Amber. I definitely cringe if I expose myself to anything that isnt working class.

[phonics]

Due to Amber? She's a fucking moron. A Teaching Assistant at NYU who earns more than the average annual salary a month talking about 'the PMC'.

[Queenslander]

Due to Amber? She's a fucking moron. A Teaching Assistant at NYU who earns more than the average annual salary a month talking about 'the PMC'.

Phonics I am also a moron though.

[phonics]

Delete Chapo and get Your Kickstarter Sucks instead.

[Queenslander]

Delete Chapo and get Your Kickstarter Sucks instead.

Ill put it in the rotation.

[Bernanke]

This Ukraine-transcript is something else, even for The Donald.

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[mikem]

I don’t see how D’s are gonna get away from it. This is pretty much the founder’s specific reason for why an impeachment clause is necessary.

Nixon got screwed by the tapes because they proved to R’s that he was lying to them. I still don’t see how you get more than six R senators to vote for it. If it breaks it will be a wave like it was for D’s this week.

[Spikey M]

He'll get away with it. He always does.

[phonics]

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My favourite thing I learnt about the Nixon impeachment was that the only reason he had the tape recordings was due to a weird law that meant he could use them as a tax write off.

The man lost the position he'd fought for his whole life because he wanted a thousand dollars off his tax bill.

[mikem]

The Congress Recess break is going to be interesting. They have not actually started formal impeachment in the House yet and Pelosi doesn’t seem to have the votes. She needs 218 but only has 217 for an impeachment inquiry IF the White House doesn’t turn over the complaint. She isn’t Boris and won’t want to move unless she has almost the full Caucus and at least a couple of the R moderates or retirees (there are 10). But she has not yet started whipping the members.

The Senate is weird though, both Sasse and Mitt are being fairly tough. They unanimously refused to back slow walking letting the whistleblower information out. And all the Senators who might flip joined with the D’s and voted to end Trump’s emergency declaration about the wall. Ended 54-41 - not enough to impeach, but weaker support than you’d think. I doubt he loses an impeachment trial at this point but if four or five R’s join the D’s that will be the election.

[Bernanke]

Trump's net approval is (morning consult):

-14 in WI (was -10 in Nov 18)
-13 in MI (was -9 in Nov 18)
-13 in ME (was -9 in Nov 18)
-9 in IA (was -7 in Nov 18)
-9 in PA (was -5 in Nov 18)
-5 in OH (was 0 in Nov 18)
-4 in AZ (was -2 in Nov 18)
-2 in NC (was +2 in Nov 18)
-1 in GA (was +3 in Nov 18)

Those previous numbers lost R the House.

It's not that this impeachment is gonna make it all the way to a Senate convicting him, it's that the optics of this are way worse for him and harder to deal with than the Mueller report. Just the word "whistleblower" carries a lot of weight.

[phonics]

My favourite characters are back. Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman are having another press conference.

Last time they were seen together they were saying (while Jack Burkmans flies were down the whole time) they had evidence that Robert Mueller raped an employee (they didn't)

Today they're once again having a press conference in his driveway (despite the last one being interrupted by a garbage truck reversing) with another banger of a story.

Elizabeth Warren (70 years old) has been paying a Marine to have sex with her for the last 6 months.

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Satire might be dead but political comedy has never been better.

[phonics]

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Strong start.

edit: Slight suggestion that the accuser might not be legit

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[mugbull]

Jacob Wohl has got to be the most precocious person who’s ever lived. Kid got banned for life by the US derivatives regulator by the time he was 19

[Lewis]

You wonder why he carries on. But then you think what else can he do now? Surely he isn't making any money from it though.

[phonics]

They’re being paid hundreds of thousands.

[Lewis]

Is he? I know the top level grifters generally make loads, but surely nobody is donating to him anymore.

[phonics]

Is he? I know the top level grifters generally make loads, but surely nobody is donating to him anymore.

He's got a townhouse in central D.C. You'd assume family money but you look up his Dad and he's an attorney that turns up in related searches with a bunch of ambulance chasers/slip n' fall guys.

Turning Point USA declares 4.5 million a year and they're in the same circles. Here he is with a TPUSA person, The Daily Stormer guy, and Paul Nehlen the guy who tried to outflank Paul Ryan from the right by being a literal nazi. That was a week ago or something.

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All have at one point or another been funded by the Mercers and their fellow nutjobs.

[mugbull]

The one scenario where being a total nutjob lands you chicks way out of your league

[Shindig]

I mean, the women are probably damaged goods as well. Or master criminals. Or petty criminals. Trash attracts trash.

[niko_cee]

The state of that lot.

[Lewis]

Love that spooky dummy in the blue shirt.

[Byron]

Good to see Macho Man's son doing well for himself.