U.S. Presidential Election 2016 (Sponsored by Betty Croker's Hamburger Helper)

[bruhnaldo]

Disgusting.

[Byron]

It's almost as if they see themselves as an occupying force rather than a public service to protect citizens.

[Spikey M]

I've seen nowhere near enough Smurf gags.

[Pepe]

And another one bites the dust:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/09/21/552527929/oklahoma-city-police-fatally-shoot-deaf-man-despite-yells-of-he-cant-hear-you


Police in Oklahoma City fatally shot a deaf man Tuesday night who they say was advancing toward them with a metal pipe as witnesses yelled that the man was deaf and could not hear them.

[Spikey M]

Well he can see that he's holding a pipe and walking towards armed fucking police.

[randomlegend]

Whether he was deaf or not, shooting someone to death whose weaponry consists of a metal pipe is mental.

[Lewis]

They should be trained to hold a taser in one hand, a gun in another, and to operate a man trap using a foot pump.

[Pepe]

Well he can see that he's holding a pipe and walking towards armed fucking police.

"We were screaming that he can't hear," witness Julio Rayos told The Oklahoman. Rayos told the paper that Sanchez had developmental disabilities and didn't talk.

"The guy does movements," Rayos told The Oklahoman. "He don't speak, he don't hear, mainly it is hand movements. That's how he communicates. I believe he was frustrated trying to tell them what was going on."

Neighbor Jolie Guebara told The Associated Press that Sanchez "always had a stick that he would walk around with, because there's a lot of stray dogs."

[Pepe]

They should be trained to hold a taser in one hand, a gun in another, and to operate a man trap using a foot pump.

'Don't kill people'
'Alright'

It's not that hard. Every other country manages.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They're just trigger happy as fuck over there. People here moan about not having a police which 'represents the people it serves', well the yankees have got that part covered.

[Pepe]

Meanwhile, the Pentagon gets a budget increase of $700 billion. Where are the right-wingers asking 'how are we going to pay for it?'

Only eight Senators voted against, Bernie (:cool:) and Rand Paul (:cool::cool:) among them.

[Bernanke]

Meanwhile, the Pentagon gets a budget increase of $700 billion. Where are the right-wingers asking 'how are we going to pay for it?'

Only eight Senators voted against, Bernie (:cool:) and Rand Paul (:cool::cool:) among them.

Well, if you want to destroy Rocket Man you're gonna need a lot of money.

[Spikey M]

Leave Sir Elton alone you cunts.

[bruhnaldo]

They're just trigger happy as fuck over there. People here moan about not having a police which 'represents the people it serves', well the yankees have got that part covered.

Wow.

[Disco]

Leave Sir Elton alone you cunts.

Trump vs John would do crazy well on ppv.

[phonics]

Having met him when he was at the conference in 2016, he can't stand up without a walking stick and he's practically blind. Probably the only person Trump could beat.

[Spikey M]

Not if it's a wig-off.

[phonics]

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Greatest country on earth. The ongoing misery of Flint is the perfect metaphor for the state of the rest of the country politically. A mix of democrats and republicans prioritize the budget and potential donors over everything, end up killing thousands of people and no-one pays a price politically let alone criminally.

[bruhnaldo]

It's truly awful what's happened there but apparently they have charged at least 5 people with involuntary manslaughter or some shit.

[mugbull]

Although the Flint situation is fucking whack, that's a really shitty graph. Start your axis at 55 of something and end at 75? Lol

[Disco]

https://i.imgur.com/elBBqls.jpg

[Lewis]

It sounds as though his BLUSTER on China and North Korea is working. Donning it mate.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/EF02/production/_97968116_493347c3-9159-4f83-9b3b-c1c89803615b.jpg

Kim's winning the hair war, at any rate.

[Mazuuurk]

Style war as well.

Is that a suit? A pyjama? A shirt?
All of them :cool:

[John Arne]

Although the Flint situation is fucking whack, that's a really shitty graph. Start your axis at 55 of something and end at 75? Lol

As long as the increments are the same - you can start wherever, and end wherever you like. Why would you start at zero, if your ranges only sit within 50 and 80 - that graph would look silly (and flat)....


https://gyazo.com/c0124585fa0d99f650c3f8178260f61e.png


Compared to this beaut...

https://gyazo.com/d0b708328b584da2336c1984a8adaa6d.png


Graphs :drool:

[Pepe]

Speaking of war, Ken Burns new 18 hour documentary, 'The Vietnam War', started yesterday (12 episodes over 14 days). The first two episodes have been very good.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/22/the-killing-of-history/

[mikem]

This is a minor gripe but I really don't get Bernie's tactics in debating Cassidey - Graham on CNN Monday noght. Are any senators going to change their vote because of it?

Can you bash the bill? Sure, but it has an approval rating in the 20's so why bother? All you do is lose the ability to say they lied and did not follow regular order (we did more we brought the debate to the people), and you allow them to distract with single payer complaints when they can't defend the merits of their own bill. We could have beaten every Senator over the head with "did they even tell you what was in the bill they voted on at midnight" for a year. Why throw that away for nothing?

[mugbull]

As long as the increments are the same - you can start wherever, and end wherever you like. Why would you start at zero, if your ranges only sit within 50 and 80 - that graph would look silly (and flat)....


https://gyazo.com/c0124585fa0d99f650c3f8178260f61e.png


Compared to this beaut...

https://gyazo.com/d0b708328b584da2336c1984a8adaa6d.png


Graphs :drool:

That's my point...

[John Arne]

That's my point...

I'm genuinely confused as to how that was your point. You lolled at the graph starting at 55, and ending at 75, did you not? I'm not being arsey - I'm just confused.

[mugbull]

If you modify the axis to start at your lowest point and end at your highest point, you can make a minuscule change look enormous. Usually you'll only want to do that if you're modelling a function of some sort, or if you're representing something graphically where the rate of change, or slope, is irrelevant.

So yeah, it would make the graph look flatter; but that's my point. Total fertility only dropped by 15% - which may be a fuckton, and I think it is, but looking at that graph you'd think it was cut in half.

[ItalAussie]

A graph should show variation that is roughly comparable with what would be considered "normal" variation in that scale.

As much as you can exaggerate variation by zooming in too much, you also wouldn't show daily temperatures scaled to include to absolute zero.

[John Arne]

If you modify the axis to start at your lowest point and end at your highest point, you can make a minuscule change look enormous. Usually you'll only want to do that if you're modelling a function of some sort, or if you're representing something graphically where the rate of change, or slope, is irrelevant.

So yeah, it would make the graph look flatter; but that's my point. Total fertility only dropped by 15% - which may be a fuckton, and I think it is, but looking at that graph you'd think it was cut in half.

Got ya.

[John Arne]

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/22/the-killing-of-history/

I couldn't disagree more with that article. I thought episodes 1-3 were fairly balanced, whilst 4 and 5 have been very anti-yank (great stuff :) .

The only thing I agree with, is the slightly off-hand mentioning of Vietnam deaths - however, we have to remember that this is still a program aimed at a US audience - so I get why the focused so much on US deaths.

I fear the author went into the first episode, having already made there mind up - and didn't watch anymore. In fact, they complain that Burns say's that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was "true" (meaning; it happened) - he doesn't - in episode 3 the program clearly makes note of the fact that there was likely no second initiation by either side.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Is Pepe seriously linking John Pilger articles? That's only one step away from joining one of those underground revolutionary sects who love Kim Il-Sung.

[mugbull]

A graph should show variation that is roughly comparable with what would be considered "normal" variation in that scale.

As much as you can exaggerate variation by zooming in too much, you also wouldn't show daily temperatures scaled to include to absolute zero.

That's true, but they usually show them scaled to 0 degrees (Celsius or Fahrenheit) even for places where it never gets anywhere near that cold

[mugbull]

The first episode of Vietnam was really good (you're always going to get idiots claiming an American show is not being 'sensitive' enough to the other side), although one thing I kept noticing is that everyone they talked to looked so young. Either they conducted these interviews ten years ago, or they lather these 70-somethings in enough makeup in pre to subtract 20 years off their age.

[John Arne]

The first episode of Vietnam was really good (you're always going to get idiots claiming an American show is not being 'sensitive' enough to the other side), although one thing I kept noticing is that everyone they talked to looked so young. Either they conducted these interviews ten years ago, or they lather these 70-somethings in enough makeup in pre to subtract 20 years off their age.

Yeah, it's kinda strange to see. The average age of a US soldier was only 19, war ended in '75, so I guess 62-65 is the average now - which just feels younger than you'd expect.

Have you (or do you) plan to watch anymore episodes?

[mikem]

Anthem and flag politics manages to combine stupidity with disingenuousness at such a high level it really is tremendous performance art. I am continually amazed at how good the American right is at political messaging and framing the debate.

[John Arne]

I saw someone compare the Yanks obsession with "the flag" with that of Muslims and the Quran. Raised a smile.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I quite like my country and its flag, but if I saw someone burning one I'd just lol at them and remind them about the industrial revolution.

[mugbull]

Yeah, it's kinda strange to see. The average age of a US soldier was only 19, war ended in '75, so I guess 62-65 is the average now - which just feels younger than you'd expect.

Have you (or do you) plan to watch anymore episodes?

Yeah for sure, I wanna see Westmoreland get fucked in the ass at the end of it

[Disco]

I might be annoyed if someone had burnt my flag (not that I have one) but if it's one they've brought along with them then crack on.

[Lewis]

That Vietnam thing starts tonight on BBC4. Lyndon Johnson and Robert McNamara deserve most of the grief.

[John Arne]

That Vietnam thing starts tonight on BBC4. Lyndon Johnson and Robert McNamara deserve most of the grief.

They get most of it.

[Lewis]

Besides: lol (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huFh760p-MA#t=1m34s)

[mugbull]

He sounds really high

[Shindig]

"The err.... words ... coming out of my mouth .... are ... just an effort .... to end this .... errr... interview."

[phonics]

912756716365799425

Someone found out Puerto Rico is an island today.

[mikem]

Yeah, it's kinda strange to see. The average age of a US soldier was only 19, war ended in '75, so I guess 62-65 is the average now - which just feels younger than you'd expect.

Have you (or do you) plan to watch anymore episodes?

This is actually a really interesting observation if you expand it by a decade or so to the Civil Rights era. The core support that shows up at to the MAGA rallies mostly appears to be people in their early 70's to 40's. Another way to think of them? The last people who remember segregation as teenagers and their kids. We think these things are so much further in the past than they are.

[phonics]

https://i.imgur.com/g9zR524.jpg

12th dimensional chess

[John Arne]

North Korea does let people out of the country. As long as daddy works for Uncle Kim.

I only just caught up with the Trump Nambia stuff.... fucking hell, it's so embarrassing.

[phonics]

He's hilarious. He was banging on about his see-through wall again the other day. I genuinely think someone told him that the process for the wall has to be transparent and he's taken to thinking the wall itself needs to be see through. I cannot believe that someone has proposed making the wall see through because of 'drug dealers throwing big bags of drugs' over it so it has to be the former.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I genuinely can't think of anything less likely to happen than his silly wall. He'd only have 8 years to start it even if he wins a second term.

[Shindig]

In other news, his son-in-law registered to vote as a woman.

[Bernanke]

In other news, his son-in-law registered to vote as a woman.

Lock her up.

[phonics]

He's just repeatedly stated that the reason the healthcare bill didn't pass is due to a senator being in hospital.

There is no senator in hospital.

[Shindig]

Is he planning on hospitalising one before the next vote?

[Pepe]

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/352421-dhs-planning-to-collect-social-media-info-on-all-immigrants


The Department of Homeland Security has moved to collect social media information on all immigrants, including permanent residents and naturalized citizens.

A new rule published in the Federal Register last week calls to include "social media handles and aliases, associated identifiable information and search results" in the department's immigrant files.

I wonder if they will want my TTH 'handle' as well.

[Mazuuurk]

That sounds quite illegal but I guess that never mattered before, so.

[Kikó]

He's genuinely the most embarrassing person ever. What a shambles.

[John Arne]

The US ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, has made a second dramatic intervention in US Middle East policy, suggesting that only 2% of the West Bank is occupied by Israel and that the international community always intended for Israel to keep some of the land it seized in 1967 during the six-day war.


Is he trying to take attention away from Donald?

[mugbull]

The Israel lobby has always been near-Donald levels of insane but they've always been a little quieter and more underground. They're still around though.

[phonics]

The only bipartisan issue, giving Israel everything they want.

[GS]

Israel can do what it's doing forever a day, anyway.

[mikem]

How pissed are Ben Carson and Rick Perry that they appear to be the only non-formal generals in the Cabinet who aren't flying chartered planes at the government expense? In any other admin three quarters of the admin would have to resign this weekend.

It really is difficult to determine if Spicer, the Mooch, Mnuunu, or Cohn is a bigger PR idiot. Yesterday had to be the single worst tax rollout I've ever seen. Middle class families are all buying a new car or renovating their kitchens with a $1,000 tax cut! If they live in Legoland, maybe so.

[John Arne]

Trump on Puerto Rico..



This is an island, surrounded by water... big water. Big ocean.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71rg6jKMd6A

Genius.

Also, and this is no surprise, all his speeches revolve around how well he (and his team) are going to solve this (biggest ever/worst ever) disaster. It's all about him. He actually talks very little about the problems in Puerto Rico at all.

[Shindig]

"Puerto Rico means Rice Port. Nobody knew that."

[Disco]

Has no-one asked him what the fuck he's talking about yet?

[John Arne]

Everest is a mountain. Big, high mountain. Biggest in the world. So tall. The tallest, they say.

[ItalAussie]

What an asshole.

[Kikó]

So if you were Puerto Rican you'd probably think you're not as valuable as a us citizen.

[Disco]

Business as usual then.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://i.cbc.ca/1.4315982.1506897838!/cpImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/presidents-cup.jpg

I honestly can't wait for those gurning fucks to get lasered in the Ryder Cup. Look at Tiger, wishing he was dead. Spieth right on the cusp of some banter, surprised he didn't get a bullet in the neck from security.

[Shindig]

Tiger's still there? He has no golf left.

[phonics]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLPJPMmVwAARh4K.jpg:large

[John Arne]

It's still completely bizarre that people like Mert argue that American doesn't have a problem, or that gun control doesn't work. You just have to look at the facts. Ok, it may be too late to do anything in the US, but to deny the problem is properly dishonest.

Some graphs for ya...

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/2SOTsWGm6f4eR9ZeuaAVwHGgfRo=/1200x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9371299/gun_homicides_per_capita.jpg

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/HDlvl2oJh2YNasFny-A9s50E_b8=/1200x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9371353/gun_ownership_states.png

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/dEjWawsPYNr9AMfge4jYtShNCdA=/1200x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9371383/guns_country.jpg

I know Vox is a bit of a shitty newsource, but these graphs all appear to have excellent sources.

[Spikey M]

Playing Devils advocate for a moment - surely the method of the murder is irrelevant? Other countries have lower ‘death by gun’ figures than a country that has widespread ownership. It’s a bit fucking obvious really. Surely what matters is the murder rates? I bet you could do the same in reverse with knife crime.

[John]

Playing Devils advocate for a moment - surely the method of the murder is irrelevant? Other countries have lower ‘death by gun’ figures than a country that has widespread ownership. It’s a bit fucking obvious really. Surely what matters is the murder rates? I bet you could do the same in reverse with knife crime.

Apparently other countries that had guns and got rid of them saw their murder rates by methods other than guns stay basically the same.

The problem with everyone having a gun isn't that it makes one person knocking another person off in an argument easier, although it definitely does, it's that it makes it easy for a headbanger like that bloke the other night to wipe people out en masse. If all he could get his hands on was a block of kitchen knives and a cricket bat there's no chance he could have harmed close to six hundred people.

As I said the last time we had this conversation, the astonishing thing isn't even that there's still a problem. It's the fact that the problem isn't unanimously recognised. I reckon if breakfast tea was somehow being used to kill thousands of people a year here we'd find a way to ban it, or at least heavily restrict who could lay hands on it.

[Spikey M]

Oh, I’m fully on board with all of that. I was just pointing out that comparing ‘murder by gun’ rates is fucking pointless. We might as well be comparing ‘death by black cab’.

[John Arne]

Oh, I’m fully on board with all of that. I was just pointing out that comparing ‘murder by gun’ rates is fucking pointless. We might as well be comparing ‘death by black cab’.

I really don't get how it's pointless. Granted, isolated, it doesn't tell a full story - but I think it's just meant to say what it says = a country with more guns, has more gun deaths. Obvious, yes - but apparently not obvious enough from some Americans to fully comprehend.

[Spikey M]

I really don't get how it's pointless. Granted, isolated, it doesn't tell a full story - but I think it's just meant to say what it says = a country with more guns, has more gun deaths. Obvious, yes - but apparently not obvious enough from some Americans to fully comprehend.

I think that’s a straw man. I don’t think even the biggest Mert would say that more guns doesn’t lead to more people getting shot. Their argument is pretty much always ‘I need my guns to defend myself because bad guys have guns’.

[John Arne]

I think that’s a straw man. I don’t think even the biggest Mert would say that more guns doesn’t lead to more people getting shot. Their argument is pretty much always ‘I need my guns to defend myself because bad guys have guns’.

Surely its the opposite of a straw man? It's the literal fact, presented as is... data shows that countries with more guns, have more gun deaths.

EDIT: I've always struggled with fully understanding "straw man" arguments... so I could be wrong here.

[Spikey M]

I meant saying that Americans ‘don’t comprehend that having more guns leads to more gun deaths’ is a straw man. I’ve heard some ridiculous arguments from our Transatlantic friends, but never that they don’t have more deaths from guns than non-gun carrying countries. I mean, not even a fully paid up NRA member could be that fucking dense, surely?

[Lewis]

Most of those numbers are down to black people shooting each other at South American rates (without which they are merely comparable to the worst European nations), so the gun ownership graphs - which imply that most killings are carried out by [white] freaks with thirty guns each - are always a bit pointless.

[Henry]

If I wanted to go on a killing spree right now, I doubt I could clock up more than 3 or 4 people at most before I was taken down by someone or something.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Most of those numbers are down to black people shooting each other at South American rates (without which they are merely comparable to the worst European nations), so the gun ownership graphs - which imply that most killings are carried out by [white] freaks with thirty guns each - are always a bit pointless.

Gun deaths of any colour happen because the supply of guns is so plentiful. In London, all the nasty black people can't get hold of guns so they stab each other, which, whilst not ideal, isn't as efficient numerically as using guns like their American brethren.

[Lewis]

If I wanted to go on a killing spree right now, I doubt I could clock up more than 3 or 4 people at most before I was taken down by someone or something.

Baz's dad when he hears the ball stop hitting the fence.

[randomlegend]

Magic would get points off Ital for 'nasty black people'.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If you can't detect the ironic nuance in my use of 'nasty black people' there then you're nowhere near as intelligent as I had you for.

[SvN]

He's probably right, though. Ironic or not.

[randomlegend]

Of course I can, but since when has ironic nuance stopped points being doled out?

[Lewis]

Alright you grass.

[randomlegend]

:D

[Jimmy Floyd]

He's probably right, though. Ironic or not.

He's not.

[bruhnaldo]

Most of those numbers are down to black people shooting each other at South American rates (without which they are merely comparable to the worst European nations), so the gun ownership graphs - which imply that most killings are carried out by [white] freaks with thirty guns each - are always a bit pointless.

They also account for suicides from what I understand.

[phonics]

Trumps amazing ability to just agree with what the last person told him carries on.

After slagging off the Puerto Ricans and telling them 'Your debt is really throwing us out of whack' he's now announced that he wants to cancel all that debt. Leading to this brain bending reaction:

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Maybe the chess really is 4 dimensional.

[bruhnaldo]

Hell, Trump put 33 million dollars of debt on the island himself #FromWhatIUnderstand Of course he wants it cancelled.

[phonics]

There was a story in WaPo this morning that Tillerson called Trump a moron and so now he's been forced to call a press conference to say 'I think he's great'

This is the most hilarious timeline.

[Magic]

WaPo. Your cuntery never ceases to amaze me.

[John Arne]

They also account for suicides from what I understand.

Those graphs I posted do indeed include suicides - which I accept aren’t murders, but are still deaths due to easy access to guns.

[Magic]

I love black cunts.

[phonics]

WaPo. Your cuntery never ceases to amaze me.

You need help.

[Lewis]

WaPo. Your cuntery never ceases to amaze me.

His use of 'timeline' is worse.

[phonics]

To keep my admin position I have to agree with Ital that we live in a multiverse.

[bruhnaldo]

We really have like 7 mods for 20 posters.

[bruhnaldo]

Those graphs I posted do indeed include suicides - which I accept aren’t murders, but are still deaths due to easy access to guns.

Do you reckon these suicidal folks would've not offed themselves by other readily available means if not for guns?

Serious question, no-gotcha response, just curious.

[Magic]

They may have tried, but may have not succeeded. That's the whole point you puckered anus.

[bruhnaldo]

Which would mean that every attempted suicide by gun would have a 100% success rate, which we know isn't true, so how about you go outside and play hide and go fuck yourself you dimwitted moron?

[Disco]

They may have tried, but may have not succeeded. That's the whole point you puckered anus.

Not really, the point is most other methods involve more time which affords many more opportunities to change your mind.

[Magic]

Jesus Christ Americans are fucking thick aren't they? Even MikeM has produced some mighty cuntery recently and I thought he was a double celled organism. Foolish me.

[John]

Jesus Christ Americans are fucking thick aren't they? Even MikeM has produced some mighty cuntery recently and I thought he was a double celled organism. Foolish me.

You've produced more idiocy than every American we've ever had combined, and I reckon your nicknames for football teams alone would have any of them beat individually.

[Magic]

You've produced more idiocy than every American we've ever had combined, and I reckon your nicknames for football teams alone would have any of them beat individually.

I didn't proclaim otherwise, my point still stands though.

[Lofty]

The problem with gun control is how many obsessive there are in the gun ‘hobby’. Saw a post on reddit the other day where someone said owning that many guns with that many rounds of ammunition should see you flagged on a register and the overwhelming response was from people saying ‘I own that many guns and rounds of ammunition: should I be on a register?’ With no hint of irony. These people don’t think it is odd behaviour to horde more firepower than your average infantry squad.

It’s more deluded than that Arsenal save Makunix had on the go where Walcott was better than Messi.

[Pepe]

Those toilet paper throws. :D

[Kikó]

It's pure insanity that he thinks that's normal behaviour. Donald that is.

[bruhnaldo]

So we just gonna ignore if Obama shot some fucking paper towels like that everyone would be losing their fucking minds about how awesome he is?

[Kikó]

Obama had a few natural disasters and he didn't do it at them. You know, because it isn't suitable.

[John]

So we just gonna ignore if Obama shot some fucking paper towels like that everyone would be losing their fucking minds about how awesome he is?

This is genuinely pathetic.

[Raoul Duke]

He could have shot them out of a cannon if that guy in Vegas hadn't fucked that up

[ItalAussie]

So we just gonna ignore if Obama shot some fucking paper towels like that everyone would be losing their fucking minds about how awesome he is?

He wouldn't have done that, because he wasn't a massive dickhead. :sorry:

[mugbull]

So we just gonna ignore if Obama shot some fucking paper towels like that everyone would be losing their fucking minds about how awesome he is?

Your sentences sound like Buzzfeed articles sometimes

[Greg]

Do you reckon these suicidal folks would've not offed themselves by other readily available means if not for guns?

Serious question, no-gotcha response, just curious.

In just the last year or so, two of my co-workers teenage children (14 and 19 respectively) have tried to commit suicide and failed (been found after deliberately overdosing in both cases). While it's not impossible to get a gun here in Australia, the vast majority of families don't have or need them. If these kids had access to them and were truly trying to end their lives it would almost certainly be game over.

Obviously in a lot of cases if people want to die they'll find a way. But there's not much coming back from a bullet to the brain.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The main question for Americans has to be why every other western democracy has strict gun control and they do not. I know they're indoctrinated about FREEDOM (whereas we are merely indoctrinated to queue at bus stops) but that alone is not an explanation.

[GS]

Historical, ingrained, and over the top reverence for the constitution, presumably.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Bu... you are fucking shitting me.

[GS]

What's tripped you up this time?

[Spikey M]

I’m not sure the ‘making suicide harder’ is a great argument to be honest. Yay, more suffering. Yay liver failure.

I think the argument I find most convincing is how little I want the local scumbags having easy access to guns. Fuck that.

[John Arne]

I’m not sure the ‘making suicide harder’ is a great argument to be honest. Yay, more suffering. Yay liver failure.

I think the argument I find most convincing is how little I want the local scumbags having easy access to guns. Fuck that.

I disagree, I think it's a perfectly acceptable argument, and the figures back it up. Harder access to guns results in less suicide by guns, and less successful suicide attempts...



https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/SCgy898gcAul7LRhU-Lsr_iQ9Jo=/1000x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9371561/fatal_suicide_attempts.jpg

https://gyazo.com/276d248283d6ec18db70a967d3051815.png
(this doesn't seem to be 'per capita', mind).

[Spikey M]

I disagree, I think it's a perfectly acceptable argument, and the figures back it up. Harder access to guns results in less suicide by guns, and less successful suicide attempts...



https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/SCgy898gcAul7LRhU-Lsr_iQ9Jo=/1000x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9371561/fatal_suicide_attempts.jpg

https://gyazo.com/276d248283d6ec18db70a967d3051815.png
(this doesn't seem to be 'per capita', mind).


That’s my point though. It’s not always as simple as a ‘second chance’ after a failed attempt via drugs, suffocation, etc there is often life changing affects from the attempt.

That said, I’m sure there are some people walking around with half their faces missing after doing so with a gun too.

[phonics]

I did a quick google to check where Spikey was right about some people walking around with half their head missing... yup.

[Kikó]

Historical, ingrained, and over the top reverence for the constitution, presumably.

I hate those types of people.

[Shindig]

Okay, that was an interesting google. :|

[Disco]

I did a quick google to check where Spikey was right about some people walking around with half their head missing... yup.

If anyone could be considered an authority on the subject.

[GS]

I hate those types of people.

The recourse is a constitutional amendment, not ignoring the constitution.

[phonics]

915906078797389824

CY@

caps

[Spikey M]

I bet ‘failed gun suicide’ features heavily in Magic’s search history.

[Lewis]

I thought him chucking those toilet rolls out how he did was good. Not only did it personalise the entire thing (if he had just handed them out like a stiff people would have said he doesn't care), but how else are you meant to reach the back of a crowd with accuracy?

[Pepe]

I personally liked his flawless jump shot style. Which of his mooks said in a press conference how he could sink them from deep all day long? He was not joking around.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I thought it was quite Dubya-esque (my favourite president of my lifetime).

[Disco]

It's the greatest accomplishment of his presidency so far.

[phonics]

I thought him chucking those toilet rolls out how he did was good. Not only did it personalise the entire thing (if he had just handed them out like a stiff people would have said he doesn't care), but how else are you meant to reach the back of a crowd with accuracy?

I laughed at the following bit, where he was having so much fun he got the cans of chicken out and was going to start chucking those before people asked him not to throw tins of meat at them.

[bruhnaldo]

This is genuinely pathetic.


Obama had a few natural disasters and he didn't do it at them. You know, because it isn't suitable.

Ohhh get the fuck outta here. People would be photoshopping the fuck out of the photo talkin about LOOK AT HIS FORM OMG HE'S SO RELATABLE

Not even saying Trump isn't a dickhead but if it had been Obama it would be "oh wow look at him trying to take their mind off of the seriousness of the situation by being so charming and down to earth! Haven't we all shot our groceries like a basketball?"

Stop it.

[phonics]

Ohhh get the fuck outta here. People would be photoshopping the fuck out of the photo talkin about LOOK AT HIS FORM OMG HE'S SO RELATABLE

Not even saying Trump isn't a dickhead but if it had been Obama it would be "oh wow look at him trying to take their mind off of the seriousness of the situation by being so charming and down to earth! Haven't we all shot our groceries like a basketball?"

Stop it.

When Obama wore a brown suit

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"This proves he's a Marxist"

"That's an impeachable offense right there"

But yeah it's only Trump that gets unfair criticism.

[bruhnaldo]

Obama got criticized for wearing a brown suit...

Yes, by Fox News.

Man discovers media bias goes both ways SHOCKER!

[bruhnaldo]

But yeah it's only Trump that gets unfair criticism.

Because that's what the fuck I said.

[Spikey M]

Yes, by Fox News.

Man discovers media bias goes both ways SHOCKER!

Like you’re seemingly discovering that bias in general goes both ways?

[bruhnaldo]

Like you’re seemingly discovering that bias in general goes both ways?

If that's what you got out of me pointing out that the mainstream media would be fawning over their hero if he did the same exact thing...

I don't have the energy to fight off all the red herrings anymore. Enjoy.

[phonics]

Lol did he delete his account again? His pictures gone.

[bruhnaldo]

I'd appreciate if you did just delete my account. Isn't an option for me apparently. There's no purpose for me coming to this website and we all know it. Fair enough. Take care.

[Pepe]

Is it ok to call that a meltdown?

[phonics]

I'm laughing no matter how we define it. Still not sure 'the media is making fun of Trump. Sad!' isn't as good as 'someone changed my thread name' though.

[bruhnaldo]

That post is exactly the point. The reasons why I was annoyed in both instances had nothing to do with Trump "getting made fun of" or the thread title change. It's the facts surrounding it. Then when I try to point this out, everyone just screams about MELTDOWN!

There's just no point in trying anymore whatsoever.

[John]

That post is exactly the point. The reasons why I was annoyed in both instances had nothing to do with Trump "getting made fun of" or the thread title change. It's the facts surrounding it. Then when I try to point this out, everyone just screams about MELTDOWN!

There's just no point in trying anymore whatsoever.

What were the facts around the thread title incident? You did something daft, I changed the thread title it was in for a laugh, and you went fucking tonto. Any more facts we need to consider?

[ItalAussie]

Ohhh get the fuck outta here. People would be photoshopping the fuck out of the photo talkin about LOOK AT HIS FORM OMG HE'S SO RELATABLE

Not even saying Trump isn't a dickhead but if it had been Obama it would be "oh wow look at him trying to take their mind off of the seriousness of the situation by being so charming and down to earth! Haven't we all shot our groceries like a basketball?"

Stop it.
But the thing is, he wouldn't have done that. Because it's stupid. :cab:

[Kikó]

But if he did!

[Magic]

You wouldn't believe what happens!

[Spikey M]

To be fair Obama would look cool 3 pointing a drone on to a toddlers face.

[Shindig]

"I guess he wasn't a country music fan."

<applause>

I'm sure that's how Bruh pictures it.

[Pepe]

https://cdnph.upi.com/ph/st/th/30061269886959/2010/upi/4974dcc3344c151a90780ecbf5f0195b/v1.5/Obama-to-throw-Nats-first-pitch.jpg?lg=5

Donald wins this one.

[Kikó]

Those dad trainers :face:

[Shindig]

Well, he is a father of two.

[Magic]

Bootcuts with trainers lol.

[Pepe]

If it was The Donald everyone will be giving him :cool:s.

[Magic]

T_D wouldn't do that because it's so dumb.

[phonics]

I'm not linking to the video because nobody has 9 minutes to burn on it. So I'm just going to leave this here instead.

https://i.imgur.com/AsZqTX3.png

[Disco]

Do they give medals for begrudgingly doing the bare minimum while constantly belittling people? Because he's right in line if so.

[phonics]

'I dedicated the stinking golf trophy to them, what else do they want?'

[Disco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-_mbZ63WCA

[phonics]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLxh1abVoAURCSR.jpg:large

Incredible. It really is like having the dumbass forum troll as President. He also claimed to have invented the word 'fake'.

edit: By the way Mert showing up and not even posting in the US thread is just poor form. Where's the God Emporer at bro?

[ItalAussie]

He's so insecure. It's amazing. Anybody over the age of 12 could see that and not rise to it.

He has to (1) say it's not true (a flailing attempt at the high road), but (2) insist on defending himself as if it was (because his ego just can't take it). Seriously, the Republican who compared the White House to a daycare centre absolutely nailed it.

[Disco]

The thing I keep coming back to (and I'm sure I've posted it before) is that it's still so early in his term, we're not even a 1/4 of the way through.

[phonics]

The thing I keep coming back to (and I'm sure I've posted it before) is that it's still so early in his term, we're not even a 1/4 of the way through.

Imagine how long that final 18 months will feel when he'll be in 'campaign mode'

[Pepe]

*1/8

[Jimmy Floyd]

Longer, since he'll probably abolish term limits.

[Baz]

I'd appreciate if you did just delete my account. Isn't an option for me apparently. There's no purpose for me coming to this website and we all know it. Fair enough. Take care.Noticed I hadn’t seen bruh post for a few days so tracked him down and then saw this (I don’t read this thread) and man this sucks. Hope he comes back again. :( I mean I can still get in touch with him but it’s better when he posts on TTH. Deserting the fantasy NFL too, you lot really got to him huh. Come back bruhnaldo.

[Waffdon]

Eminem v Trump :drool:

[phonics]

Some big announcement coming within the hour. My bet is on a withdrawal from the Iran Deal in the dumbest diplomatic move in years.

[John]

Apparently he's said he's the first president to bother calling the families of dead soldiers.

[phonics]

Well at least he's concentrating on the important stuff then.

[Magic]

Bill Clinton the rapist.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Apparently he's said he's the first president to bother calling the families of dead soldiers.

Have they not suffered enough?

[John]

I'd love to hear one of those calls. I would bet everything I own that he tells the families he's the only one who'd phone them.

[Spoonsky]

Hillary...

[Shindig]

$9m to discredit Trump. And she still lost. Whilst Trump was discrediting himself for free.

[Lewis]

He has been weirdly quiet about as well, as if he has actually died from smugness and they are covering it up.

[Pepe]

Hillary...

The gift that keeps on giving.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He has been weirdly quiet about as well, as if he has actually died from smugness and they are covering it up.

They reckon a body double has been playing Melania for the last little while, but imagine how much you'd have to pay someone to be a body double for him.

[Spikey M]

http://www.scarlettentertainment.com/page/donald-trump-tribute-uk

http://www.scarlettentertainment.com/sites/default/files/Donald-Trump-Tribute-UK---M.jpg

Couple of quid, tops.

[Disco]

They reckon a body double has been playing Melania for the last little while, but imagine how much you'd have to pay someone to be a body double for him.

It's a tough gig because at some point, no matter how careful you are, a cogent thought is bound to escape and the game is up.

[randomlegend]

Reddit is saying a man got arrested and Trump is going to be in the shit.

[Mazuuurk]

Reddit is saying many things.

[randomlegend]

That is true.

[Jimmy Floyd]

What shit could he be in that he isn't already in?

[Bernanke]

https://s1.postimg.org/38bpkb1z9r/Na_ytto_kuva_2017-10-30_kello_15.06.48.png

Well hello.

[Jimmy Floyd]

'Conspiracy against the United States'. Say it out loud at under 80 decibels and you're a better man than I.

[phonics]

It's a bunch of stuck related to dodging taxes post-Crimea. Shocker.

It only matters if he flips to get an easy sentence which I doubt they'll be able to.

[Bernanke]

Yup, but the reason that it's all tax fraud is that it is way easier to prove compared to other charges. Capone for example.

[phonics]

Yeah but Capone was the guy they were actually trying to catch...

This is both, previously known and pressure to flip.

[phonics]

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/george-papadopoulos-twitter.jpg

Lol they've also got this idiot. Who thought it would be a good idea to speak to someone he knew as a foreign agent on Skype, a program that sends literally every conversation it has to the NSA as revealed by Snowden, VIA TEXT CHAT.

Them being absolute morons was the only way they could win but it'll also be the thing that'lll bring them down.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Is Skype still a thing? I haven't heard about it for ages.

[phonics]

Is Skype still a thing? I haven't heard about it for ages.

Everyone who's not a complete twonk moved to WhatsApp. Then only Facebook have your texts, not the government.

[Mazuuurk]

Sure you have, they just refer to it as "Kapuuu" in your office I'm sure.

[Bernanke]

Holy shit this Papadopolous fella.


The U.S. alleges that George Papadopolous made contact with foreign nationals tied to the Russian government and subsequently lied to federal agents about those meetings.

"On or about July 21st 2016, Papdopoulos sent another private Facebook message to Foreign Contact 2 stating "How are things? Keep an eye on the speech tonight. Should be good."

https://ramblingsofacinephile.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/stringer-criminalfuckingconspiracy.gif?w=500

[Jimmy Floyd]

One of the best delivered lines in the Wire, that.

[Bernanke]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNZNDcKVQAAYGH-.jpg

NEW MESSAGE FROM RUSSIA. :eyemouth:

[phonics]

Lol this guy was already charged and plead guilty a month ago.

Around the time the Clinton/Uranimum story came back into the press. Weird.

[niko_cee]

Everyone who's not a complete twonk moved to WhatsApp. Then only Facebook have your texts, not the government.

Can you run whatsapp on multiple devices? Or even on something that isn't a phone?

[phonics]

Can you run whatsapp on multiple devices? Or even on something that isn't a phone?

Yeah there's a web client now.

I mean even iMessage is more secure than Skype. It's hard to find a form of conversation less secure, except it turns out that this was was talking to the guy through... Facebook Messenger! He has to be one of the dumbest foreign agents alive. Useful idiot is too kind.

[phonics]

If you time out the meetings, here's who was in the room the day Papadoupadopoalosaposipos told the campaign about the e-mails

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNZUvs7VQAEE6NM.jpg:large

Ruh-Roh.

[Bernanke]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNZWCKkWsAEd4HK.jpg

That footnote... :rosebud:

[Pepe]

I have a hard time caring about all the RUSSIA shit going on.

[mikem]

I have a hard time caring about all the RUSSIA shit going on.

So very true. Paul Ryan is going to be so very concerned while he wholeheartedly supports Roy Moore.

[Raoul Duke]

I really hope this is a proper shit cannon that fucks them all sideways, but the amount of already incredulous things that he's already got away with it's hard to believe anything could sink them

[Magic]

Hopefully he gets outed as a gay paedophile.

[mugbull]

The one thing that might sink him would be if turned out to be gay, funny enough.

[mikem]

Sink the administration how? They currently can't get any policy done anyway. Impeachment is a political question decided by the Speaker of the House. How do either Ryan or McConnel explain that to a base that is currently selecting Gubernatorial and Congressional candidates who are arguably more lawless andnof worse character than Trump?

This is just going to give us on the left our typical reason to not wait in line one day every two years. I 'd much rather fight an election on healthcare and taxes.

[mugbull]

Sink his approval ratings among Republicans

[mikem]

Fair enough.

[Magic]

Terror attack in NY.

Trumps approval going up.

[Disco]

I'm fully behind this, it's a perfect fit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD6AthMaABw&app=desktop

[mikem]

Well, the upside of terror attacks is that New Yorkers get to be "real Americans" for a day and National Specious History month gets interrupted.

[Henry]

As part of their attempt to get their ridiculously large tax cuts for rich people through, the Republican party just released a report that classified people earning $450,000 per year as "low to middle income".

You just have to be awed by the cynicism.

[phonics]

Lol Rand Pauls been absolutely layed out by his next door neighbor. Five broken ribs apparently.

[phonics]

Can't believe the above hasn't got Pepe out of his slumber.

Meanwhile congressman are outchere just admitting to bribery

927917666450460672

[Pepe]

You know I'm a big Rand (:cool:) fan, but then a few days ago he came up with this:

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/11/02/science-organizations-troubled-rand-paul-bill-targeting-peer-review

So now I can only think that his neighbor was some 'snowflake' who was worried about losing his National Endowment for the Humanities grant and decided to have a go. Or maybe it was the shrimp treadmill lad. In any case, lol.

[phonics]

You know I'm a big Rand (:cool:) fan, but then a few days ago he came up with this:

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/11/02/science-organizations-troubled-rand-paul-bill-targeting-peer-review

So now I can only think that his neighbor was some 'snowflake' who was worried about losing his National Endowment for the Humanities grant and decided to have a go. Or maybe it was the shrimp treadmill lad. In any case, lol.

It was a running dispute caused by Rand Paul ignoring land ownership rights (it's claimed he was growing his Pumpkins on the neighbours land) which for a libertarian is pretty funny.

[Lewis]

I find it hard to believe that federal research funding isn't already politicised on various levels. It blatantly is for - not even bitter like - humanities research.

[Pepe]

Of course it is. The lol part is Rand 'small government' Paul asking for more bureaucracy.

[mikem]

You know I'm a big Rand (:cool:) fan, but then a few days ago he came up with this:

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/11/02/science-organizations-troubled-rand-paul-bill-targeting-peer-review

So now I can only think that his neighbor was some 'snowflake' who was worried about losing his National Endowment for the Humanities grant and decided to have a go. Or maybe it was the shrimp treadmill lad. In any case, lol.

You've clearly never dealt with HOA politics before. If you had, broken ribs over landscaping disputes sounds completely believable. Especially since Rand was clearly the guy out there shouting "Trash collection is theft." Isreal and Palestine are not nearly as contentious.

[Pepe]

Was it Zom who was told by his neigbors association that he couldn't trim his bushes or something like that? :harold:

[mikem]

Rule #1 to survival in American suburbs:

Neighbors with no public opinion about HOA's are non-lunatics. Neighbors with utterly fatalistic and generic complaints about HOA's are likely sound but could become lunatics. If they get specifc or non-fatalistic- avoid. Everyone else is psychotic.

[mugbull]

mikem, although well-spoken, has not a shred of childhood left within him

[phonics]

So it was elections yesterday and Republicans got routed. Including the sponsor of the Anti-Trans 'bathroom bill' getting beaten by a trans.

[Shindig]

I hope to God that wasn't Brianna Wu. EDIT: It's not. Phew.

[phonics]

Donald Trumps habit of saying the loud part quiet and absolutely screaming the quiet part seems to be catching on.

As yet another piece of Republican policy comes off the train tracks, two Republican Senators have come out and said 'We need to get tax reform done or our donors will stop speaking to us'.

I mean really, you're not supposed to tell people you're being bribed.

[Henry]

In any sane system those two people would be under arrest.

[Lewis]

I had to lol at Mimsy Twitter getting ahead of itself for 2020 because a few seats changed hands. What odds can you get on President Trump being re-elected?

[Bernanke]

Donald Trump 11/4 George Clooney 35/1 Vincent Viola 66/1
Oprah Winfrey 16/1 John Kasich 40/1 Ben Shapiro 80/1
Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson 16/1 Julian Castro 40/1 Leonardo DiCaprio 80/1
Cory Booker 18/1 Amy Klobuchar 40/1 Tulsi Gabbard 80/1
Joe Biden 18/1 Nikki Haley 40/1 John Hickenlooper 100/1

The Rock being more likely than Biden. :D

[Jimmy Floyd]

Why am I looking at a list of actors and celebrities?

[phonics]

Because only morons vote on the 2020 election in 2017.

[Henry]

Where the fuck is Bernie Sanders on that list?

[John Arne]

Trump arrives in Vietnam tomorrow. The cunt.

[phonics]

Where the fuck is Bernie Sanders on that list?

He'd be in his seventies by the time that rolls around. He won't run. He'll back Warren.

[John Arne]

He'd be in his seventies by the time that rolls around. He won't run. He'll back Warren.

So will she, though I get your point. In fact, Bernie will be almost 80. Fucking hell, he’s old.

[phonics]

Yeah I was off by ten years on everyone.

[phonics]

Sounds like Roy Moore was off by ten years or so. He's just been outed for touching up a 14 year old outside his court.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I saw a video of someone defending him on the basis that the Virgin Mary was a teenager. Clue's in the name, folks.

[phonics]

The quote where he said that he'd vote for Roy Moore even if he knew he was guilty of child molestation because 'I don't like Doug Jones'

I mean really. you'd rather elect paedos to high court than a Democrat.

[Lewis]

That seems to be how politics works now. See also: people voting for an IRA supporter because of what they've read about Universal Credit.

[phonics]

I didn't.

#PurityPolitics