U.S. Presidential Election 2016 (Sponsored by Betty Croker's Hamburger Helper)

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's all very well Macron lolling at America now, but what about in four years when Michelle Obama is President (Demi Moore VP) and everyone wanks over them again?

[Pepe]

Trade deals are a load of bollocks anyway.

[GS]

Macron fancies himself as some sort of European Obama circa 2008.

Dreadful.

[Henry]

Military power is the only arena that the US US still dominant in. Economically and diplomatically they are now in serious decline.

Unfortunately this is why we see them throwing their weight around and starting wars. They're just playing to their strenghts.

[Pepe]

Macron fancies himself as some sort of European Obama circa 2008.

Dreadful.

:nod:

Impeach the cunt.

[Lewis]

Their economic decline looks reasonably comfortable.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They're only in relative decline, not absolute decline.

[Reg]

8:30-10:00 tonight:


David Dimbleby chairs a special edition from York, as Prime Minister Theresa May and Opposition Leader Jeremy Corbyn are each quizzed on their policies. The two politicians will not debate each other directly, but will instead field questions from audience members on a consecutive basis

Should be decent. Probably the ideal format.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Dimbers will die before giving up election coverage, by the looks of it.

[Reg]

Dammit, wrong thread. Politics. I was on the right track.

[Henry]

They're only in relative decline, not absolute decline.

This.

[Lewis]

The entire developed world is in 'relative decline'. It's pretty irrelevant. Particularly since China is still decades away from having comparable wealth, rather than just loads of foreign currencies burning a hole in their pocket.

[Pepe]

What is the issue if they have comparable wealth anyway?

[mikem]

Military power is the only arena that the US US still dominant in. Economically and diplomatically they are now in serious decline.

Unfortunately this is why we see them throwing their weight around and starting wars. They're just playing to their strenghts.

Outside of the last sentence this is identical to Trump's analysis of the US.

[Lewis]

What is the issue if they have comparable wealth anyway?

Because then they are an actual rival (for the people that care about that, like the 'trade on their terms' people). Their economic strength is still somewhat precarious so long as they're just churning out shit for other people to buy.

[Pepe]

What does being a 'rival' entail? How does having a rival affect Joe Sixpack?

[Lewis]

I don't suppose it does.

[Pepe]

Isn't shit countries having more money better for the US, if anything? I bet if you gave some money to the people of Tanzania they would burn it all on cheeseburgers and muscle cars.

[mikem]

What does being a 'rival' entail? How does having a rival affect Joe Sixpack?

Doesn't, I'm strictly speaking of the government if that is not clear. Well, in respect to trade deals if you are a farmer in Iowa could matter a great deal.

[Lewis]

Isn't shit countries having more money better for the US, if anything? I bet if you gave some money to the people of Tanzania they would burn it all on cheeseburgers and muscle cars.

It will now President Donald J. Trump is keeping manufacturing in America.

[Pepe]

Don't forget all those mines opening. :drool:

[Lewis]

Exactly. You can't have muscle cars under pussy liberal globalist climate acts.

[Pepe]

Or meat for that matter.

[Lewis]

Good luck in France boiling straw with candles.

[mikem]

It will now President Donald J. Trump is keeping manufacturing in America.

So we are selling them ties made in China?

[Lewis]

Presumably ties are so cheap to make that the majority of their value as Trump ties is down to the Trump branding. So you're giving money to China so that they can make even more money for America. That's like meta-winning.

[mikem]

And I've been meaning to ask, who exactly is Louise Mensch? Miloesque grifter or paranoid schizophrenic?

[Lewis]

Both. She is too useless to be putting it all on, but just useless enough to think that really going for it gives her credibility.

[Bernanke]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/trump-pulls-out-of-climate-deal-western-rift-deepens-a-1150486.html

German press pulls no punches. :drool:


Surrounded by sycophants in the Rose Garden at the White House, he didn't just proclaim his withdrawal from the climate agreement, he sowed the seeds of international conflict. His speech was a break from centuries of Enlightenment and rationality. The president presented his political statement as a nationalist manifesto of the most imbecilic variety. It couldn't have been any worse.

[Pepe]

And here lies the issue with such agreements:


Yet international agreement on the Paris accord was only possible because it contains no punitive tools at all. The only thing signatories must do is report every five years how much progress they have made toward achieving their self-identified climate protection measures.

Therein lies the absurdity of Trump's histrionics. Nothing would have been easier for the U.S. than to take part pro forma in United Nations climate-related negotiations while completely ignoring climate protection measures at home -- which Trump has been doing anyway since his election.

So it is all about him daring to challenge Merkel, Trudeau, and Macron (and Pepsi and Exxon and...) Not that I think that not giving a fuck about the environment is ok, but the agreement is a bit of a sham. The Germans are pissed of because the only thing they want is that everyone falls in line with what they say.

[Pepe]

The Germans would do well to stop flexing their influence muscles and begin hitting the targets they promised they would in their beloved agreement.

[randomlegend]

Top law firms refusing to take Trump's case because "he won't pay and he won't listen".

Amazing.

[John]

Sessions has offered his resignation.

There can't ever have been a more chaotic regime at the helm of a civilised country.

[John Arne]

Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III, please.

[John Arne]

James Comey Testimony On President Trump & Russia Probe 6/8/17


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfqJ-9KF9A4

[John Arne]

Good start - he doesn't appear to be holding back. :drool:

[Bernanke]

This is better than the new season of House of Cards.

Comey seems pissed.

[Jimmy Floyd]

In the British or the American sense?

[John Arne]

Oh look, Marco Rubio being a little cunty sniveling twatbag.

[Pepe]

Little Marco. :harold:

[phonics]

As the saying goes, if your life depends on Rubio having a spine. You're already dead. What a bitch.

[Pepe]

The Republican Obama they said. :harold:

[John Arne]

My game of "Guess the political party based on what they look like" is going well so far. something like 4/5.

[John Arne]

Re; the hearing yesterday - it seemed to me that they had clearly been paid off not to talk. It was like watching film - it seemed so fucking obvious. Am I missing something?

[Bernanke]

Every (R) question:

http://i.imgur.com/O0UjOJZ.jpg

[John Arne]

Every (R) question:


Yup. McCain is embarrassing himself here.

[Bernanke]

McCain: "I don't understand."

Comey: "Yes, sir."

McCain: "President Comey, errr, uhhhh--"

Comey: "...no, sir."

McCain: "I don't understand."

[John Arne]

McCain's approach is "You found Clinton innocent, why aren't you finding Trump innocent? Waaa, waaaaa"

[Lewis]

It all sounds like a bit of a bust if the reaction is 'how it looks'. You do know Donald Trump is the President? I don't think it matters how things look to people like you anymore.

[Magic]

Oh God can feel Mert erection from here.

[mikem]

Sessions has offered his resignation.

There can't ever have been a more chaotic regime at the helm of a civilised country.

Us Dem's have forgotten what the first year of Clinton looked like. Different issues but I wouldn't be surprised if Gallup polls didn't have Clinton and Trump at similar popularity levels. Difference being that his people could get replaced by boring insiders in a way that doesn't seem possible for Trump.

It is amazing that people think Comey's testimony is nothing. Impeachment is primarily a political question so nothing is going to happen as long as Ryan is the congressional majority leader. But it is no longer news reports; the former head of the FBI, who beat an admin before, under oath testified both that the President is a liar and that all the building blocks exist to start a criminal case for obstruction.

[phonics]

Still can't believe his lawyers haven't forced a Twitter password change.

What do you get out of losing a case that ends in your client being impeached? The money can't be that good.

[John]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB6N-iTVYAAN5ba.jpg:large

Good heavens.

[Lewis]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/charliewarzel/trollpotusgrowthhack?utm_term=.yeDBWW66Z#.puLMxxAA b

Heroes. Legends, even.

[Pepe]

The resistance. :harold:

[Pepe]

The whole thing is just tragic. I'm glad I've never bothered with Twater.

[Lewis]

It's like Facebook. If you post loads and follow idiots then it's obviously going to be balls. If you just follow Donald Trump for a lol amongst the SERIOUS things you're interested in then you're alright.

[Pepe]

I just use this place as my Twitter filter. Figure whatever is proper good will make it here.

EDIT: Like that shit phonics and Boydy like.

[Byron]

I'll have a browse of the Donald's twitter for a good lol, but I never have Twitter and never will, it's all mindless drivel.

Probably why I restrict friends on Facebook to people I actually talk and associate with, rather than having 5 billion friends.

[GS]

The Donald is actually spot on regarding NATO. These countries refuse to pay their way, criticise the Americans for their domestic audience, and continue to assume that if something happens they can trigger Article 50 and the Americans will come rushing in with tomahawks and aircraft carriers.

It's all fair and well sheltering under the American military and spending the money on something else, but you can't then be aghast when you're called out on it in public.

[Jimmy Floyd]

“Trump’s very predictable, so sometimes it’s just like ‘BOOM!’ Two minutes after Trump’s tweet I have a seven-part response that’s topical and engaging.”

:face:

[Disco]

I liked this bit:



Within 24 hours, Elgan’s account grew by 300 followers — proof that mere proximity to a 6:00 a.m. presidential diatribe is among the most reliable ways to boost one’s Twitter account.


Great, fucking retire off that shit.

[Boydy]

The whole thing is just tragic. I'm glad I've never bothered with Twater.


I just use this place as my Twitter filter. Figure whatever is proper good will make it here.

EDIT: Like that shit phonics and Boydy like.

There's basically loads of different subcultures on it though. There are so many twats with blue ticks who think their opinions are important or their shit jokes are funny. The most interesting people are generally just ordinary folk who aren't using it for self-promotion.

This basically sums them up:

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So many liberal dickheads on it who think some smartarse tweets will bring Trump down.

Left Twitter is good though. Plenty of hatred for those cunts and they made some dickhead pundit eat his stupid Brexit book on Sky News the other day because he was wrong about Corbyn.

[GS]

If you follow wankers, it's going to be a waste of your time. If you follow interesting people, it's a perfectly useful tool.

[Lewis]

Dominic Cummings was calling book-eating man a FRAUD long before the left got at him. :cool:

[GS]

Is it Carswell who fucking hates him, too?

[John]

Trump apparently wants to bring back all the sanctions on Cuba and start limiting tourism etc again. No matter what it is, if Obama did it it's for the chop.

[Disco]

50 years of sanctions (or whatever it was) against Cuba was unbelievably childish so I guess it's right in his wheelhouse.

[Bernanke]

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/12/politics/donald-trump-cabinet-meeting/index.html

This is just bizarre .

[Pepe]

The state of that lot.

[bruhnaldo]

Why can't people just write the news? Why does everything read like an opinionated blog post?

This goes for both sides, not even just CNN.

[phonics]

Chris Cilizza is a giant dumbass who can't write, that's why.

[Pepe]

The article is shit. That video though. I mean, who cares in the end. Still a bit lol to see all those old men sucking his dick.

[Lewis]

This geezer who shot (badly) at Republicans playing baseball appears to be an anti-Trump nutcase. When that Democrat woman got shot in the face conservative media outlets took all of the grief, so let's see how this one pans out. I'm going for complaints about guns.

[Pepe]

Fifty or sixty shots, Rand Paul (:cool:) says. That is very little bang for your buck. I guess those limp wrists are not very good for aiming.

[Lewis]

Imagine being radicalised by John Oliver.

[mikem]

It is all such nonsense though. The left will hyperventilate about guns and the right about radical leftist campus violence. Honestly, with the amount of guns in this country we would be Raqqa if this actually mattered.

[Pepe]

Turns out he was a 'Bernie Bro.' :D

[Henry]

Well, this is interesting, politically.

Republicans were due to legislate today to make it easier for people to buy silencers for their guns, on the grounds that it would protect the hearing of gun users.

Of course, the real reason is that silencers are expensive and manufacturers stand to make a lot of money from them.

[mikem]

So was the guy in Portland. At least it is a change.

[phonics]

I found a bot that puts Trump tweets into the format of an official press statement and the ridiculousness of the timeline we live in shines through.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCW2EpyUwAEl5di.jpg:large

[mikem]

Strangely, the Fed declaring the Phillips Curve flat is probably the biggest news from yesterday.

Well, and the Congressional baseball game being actual baseball and not softball.

[John]

Trump has binned the Cuba deal 'effective immediately'. One sided, he said.

[GS]

Obama must be constantly seething.

[Pepe]

What's the point? So much focus on useless things.

[Henry]

It's only a small part of the Cuban thing that he's rolling back. Presumably there are business interests making money from it, so he can't/won't just bin it all.

Also, is Trump now trying to blame someone else for his firing Comey?

[Lewis]

I thought selling Qatar twelve billion quid of arms to defend itself from Saudi Arabian aggression prompted by his visit was good. 4D chess. The Deal-Maker in Chief.

[Pepe]

So killing black men is still legal.

[mikem]

So killing black men is still legal.

The silence from 2nd Amendment NRA crowd is so telling. The Seattle killing has the potential to be really ugly as well. The immediate victim blaming that both sides get up to is so abhorrent. Like the shooters had any real idea of "the background".

[bruhnaldo]

So killing black men is still legal.

If you're a police, yes.

[Pepe]

The Seattle killing has the potential to be really ugly as well.

Fuck me, just found out about that one.

[John]

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Christ. :D

[GS]

It seems the travel ban was legal after all.

[Disco]

Which just leaves unbelievably moronic, which I think will stick.

[phonics]

It seems the travel ban was legal after all.

Yeah that's not what has been said.

[niko_cee]

He just needs to off a few more democrat supreme court judges and he'll be able to do whatever he wants. Should have a word with Vlad cf that article Mikem posted the other day.

[Reg]

347191326112112640

Christ. :D
What the hell is that? Odd even for Trump.

[Bartholomert]

It seems the travel ban was legal after all.

I said this from Day 1. Any law student who had ever taken a class on constituonal law could have told you as much, only hack partisan judges ever ruled differently.

[Reg]

Probably legal if based on countries (I dunno, correct me), but not if based on religion, right?

[niko_cee]

Probably more the fact that (almost) anything (the President does) is lawful in America if you control the Supreme Court (and plead National Security).

[Bartholomert]

Probably legal if based on countries (I dunno, correct me), but not if based on religion, right?

Yes. It's been done many times previously, including by the Obama administration in Iraq in 2013. Never with this breath true, but the principal is nothing new.


Probably more the fact that (almost) anything (the President does) is lawful in America if you control the Supreme Court (and plead National Security).

I mean no. That's not how that works.

[GS]

I said this from Day 1. Any law student who had ever taken a class on constituonal law could have told you as much, only hack partisan judges ever ruled differently.

I don't want to claim any huge expertise, but I read quite a bit at the time and it certainly seemed that he was acting entirely within the powers of the presidency. People (Democrats) may not have liked it, but it's not as if he made a secret of it on the campaign trail either.

It's obviously a different question whether the range of powers concentrated in one office / one individual is reasonable, but that's for another day.

[John Arne]

Yes. It's been done many times previously, including by the Obama administration in Iraq in 2013. Never with this breath true, but the principal is nothing new.

Obama stopped refugee processing, whilst Trump is attempting to stop all citizens from those countries from entering the US. They are very different, and you know that.

This is one thing that I will never understand, and both sides do it - the obvious misdirection and lack of policy ownership. Anyone with half a brain can read about this and realise that the two cases are completely different - yet people try and claim that this is just an extension to Obama's policy. Take responsibility of it - just say "we want to ban all people from these countries, because we are scared of what they might do" (I understand why they don't do that, do its no less frustrating).

Mert On this specific policy - where has the 90 days come from? Given that 90 days has now lapsed since the original executive order was passed without incident - is there a legitimate argument to be made that it's not needed. The proof after all, is in the pudding. Would you want the 90 extended to a year, 5 years etc.?

[Bernanke]

These latest tweets. :lol:

[GS]

It's a new low, and that's saying something.

[Bernanke]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDfXzKEVYAAluwV.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDfY8VFVoAAQoCF.jpg:large

[Magic]

What the fuck? :D

[phonics]

It's a bloody great bot that. Makes it all the more surreal.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't even know what any of that means.

[Henry]

I read it that some TV host who he doesn't watch anymore speaks badly of him. Someone else, possibly related asked to join him at a party and he refused to let them. Said person was bleeding after having a facelift. :cab:

Also, did anyone hear him leering at the Irish reporter in the Oval Office yesterday?

[Lewis]

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Onya Donald.

[Bartholomert]

881281755017355264

Onya Donald.

He's a fighter. Just wish he picked the right fights at times.

[John]

His Buzz Aldrin exchange from yesterday is wonderful.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDmfCe6W0AAiaY6.jpg:large

[Shindig]

He's like an American Hugh Grant. With dementia.

[Spikey M]

And a learning disability

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've finally muted Donald Trump on twitter. I've never followed him anyway, but it's got to the stage where I just don't want to know what he's saying.

[Henry]

At least part of the reason for this tweeting has to be as a distraction from the disgraceful legislation that they're trying to push on healthcare.

[Bernanke]

His Buzz Aldrin exchange from yesterday is wonderful.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDmfCe6W0AAiaY6.jpg:large

http://i.imgur.com/Ku4iPBz.gif

The look of a man who wants to go back to the moon and stay there.

[mugbull]

Nah, he's just retarded.

[Shindig]

Buzz's internal response must've been, "Fuck it, I'll be dead soon."

[GS]

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:D

I didn't realise it was his actual account for a minute.

[Byron]

Oh fuck, that's actually brilliant :D

[GS]

They probably should start laying the groundwork to invoke the 25th in some capacity.

[Lewis]

MODERN DAY PRESIDENTIAL baby! :cool:

[Spoonsky]

The leader of the free world is Harold Bishop.

[Lewis]

The clip is an altered version of Donald Trump's appearance at a WWE wrestling event in 2007, in which he "attacked" franchise owner Vince McMahon in a scripted appearance.

In a what? Fake news mate.

[Shindig]

The leader of the free world is Harold Bishop.

Nah, Donald only has one twitter account.

[Magic]

HAHA that's the best thing I've ever seen. :D

[John]

Nah, Donald only has one twitter account.

Two.

He's retweeted that mad, mad video from the official POTUS account too.

[GS]

Fucking hell, so he has.

[Magic]

Two.

He's retweeted that mad, mad video from the official POTUS account too.

Paha. :lol:

[Spikey M]

How, in FUCKING AMERICA, has he not been assassinated yet? I mean, he is trolling the whole nation.

[Henry]

I occasionally watch Fox News to see what they're up to. They are solidly behind him. You'd think he was Abraham Lincoln by how they go on.

[John]

Fox News would have hated Lincoln.

[Shindig]

"Abolishing slavery would put a strain on the jobs market."

[Lewis]

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There must be a term full of material in that programme.

[GS]

http://hootsnewplace.blogspot.co.uk/2017/07/health-care-tweets-july-2.html

It's almost as if they didn't expect it when they voted for Republicans in Congress and a Republican in the White House.

[ItalAussie]

I honestly think he's not all there.

EDIT: But yeah, if this healthcare bill goes through, they'll get exactly what they were promised. A royal screwing.

[niko_cee]

The "this promotes violence against a free press" reaction is just as lol as the fact the the POTUS posted that video meme thing.

Are they culturally required to promote the authenticity of pro wrestling?

[ItalAussie]

It's a stupid response, but they can't really come out and say "you're acting like a child, and not one of the switched-on kids at the front either - the one at the back eating glue out of his ear".

[GS]

Well, they can.

The problem is they've jumped over him for trivial shit, which means when he does things that are actually stupid everybody is forced to repeat the same lines about how "enough is enough".

That's the sort of thing that should just have been given a :rolleyes: and everybody gets on with their lives. Instead they're now covering that, rather than the healthcare bill. That's probably what he intended, too.

[phonics]

The best thing about the Trump video tweet?

The POTUS account is an official arm of the communications of the Executive Branch, meaning that video as well as a description of it will have to go into the National Archives. A historian is going to run across that in 100 years and wonder what went on.

[Henry]

Apparently Trump once called into a talk show pretending to be his own agent, started talking shit to defend himself and was discovered. :D

[Magic]

On NK's latest missile test:

SK: standard political response
Jap: standard political response
Trump: does this guy have nothing better to do with his life

:lol:

[Bernanke]

Projecting again.

Anyway:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/600x315/c7/73/4e/c7734ec9d9179a8dc0586249ff429204.jpg

[John Arne]

The most annoying thing about that tweet is that double space after the comma. Dolt..

[Spoonsky]

A historian is going to run across that in 100 years and wonder what went on.

That applies to a lot more than one tweet.

[Boydy]

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Oh good.

[ItalAussie]

Dick-waving. That's always solved things in the past. Great job!

[GS]

Not that I'm averse to a less passive response to the Koreans, but you suspect the only people who can "fix" it are the Chinese. And they're presumably not hugely interested when they can leverage their influence there to get away with other things.

[Disco]

The Chinese are the only ones who'll solve it even vaguely peacefully but why would they?

[Henry]

So, CNN have apparently been harassing the 15 year old kid who created the wrestling meme. Not cool.

[Bernanke]

So, CNN have apparently been harassing the 15 year old kid who created the wrestling meme. Not cool.

Source on him being 15? Also, that same person:

http://i.imgur.com/fxOE70o.jpg

[Henry]

I don't got a source, it's just heresay. Possibly bullshit.

But wait, is that Harold? He ticks a lot of the boxes....

[Bernanke]

According to alt-right twitter he's a 15-year old who ticks all the boxes on the LGBT spectrum, so you should feel ASHAMED for even thinking about exposing him for the piece of trash he is.

He probably has two kids with cancer as well.

[SvN]

Who cares what he's posted? Doesn't change make what CNN are doing anything less abhorrent.

[Bernanke]

I assume "what they are doing" refers to the last part of this?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD776YyXYAAmOWD.jpg

It's not like it's being purposefully misconstrued to create a narrative where you might defend a neo-nazi...

http://i.imgur.com/SViy2of.png

[Henry]

For one thing the apology etc. only happened after CNN had tried to contact him first.

The issue of who created the GIF should be irrelevant anyway. There are probably millions of those things being created every day, and it wasn't even particularly offensive. The issue is that Trump chose to use it.

[GS]

Quite sinister behaviour from the fake media there.

[John Arne]

What does he have to apologise to CNN for? Creating a shit GIF? CNN then bullying him into an apology and then blackmailing him is a new low.

[John Arne]

CNN now saying that he is an adult, and not a 15 year old kid. Which doesn't really change much - they are still blackmailing him over a shit GIF.

[GS]

America. What a country.

[Lewis]

If a global news network is doxxing fifteen year olds over a gif the levels of anti-Trump SEETHE in these places must be infinitely higher than we had imagined.

[ItalAussie]

Not that I'm averse to a less passive response to the Koreans, but you suspect the only people who can "fix" it are the Chinese. And they're presumably not hugely interested when they can leverage their influence there to get away with other things.

Isn't a show of force just parading some ships around? We know you have an army guys.

Presumably China are lengthening the leash because Trump's been a dick to them or something.

[Henry]

I assume that if they wanted, the Chinese could probably provoke some manner of internal revolt by sponsoring some other faction within the North Korean elite.

[GS]

Isn't a show of force just parading some ships around? We know you have an army guys.

Presumably China are lengthening the leash because Trump's been a dick to them or something.

Yeah, but it sends a signal that the Americans 'could' do something.

You'd think the Chinese are lengthening the leash because they can then agree to tighten it again in exchange for concessions. Like building more artificial islands. Or flattening Hong Kong's democratic movement.

[Henry]

An NRA ad.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrnIVVWtAag

Not at all creepy or authoritarian. "The clenched fist of truth."

[ItalAussie]

Yeah, but it sends a signal that the Americans 'could' do something.

We know they could do something. Everyone knows how many ships they've got, and how much of their budget goes to the military.

[GS]

Yes, but they've been doing this for decades now haven't they so I think they're familiar with the protocol.

If it was Obama, you wouldn't be exercised about it in the slightest.

[Bartholomert]

Trump is absolutely running riot lately :drool:

[Disco]

The look on his face is golden. :D

http://i.imgur.com/VqjJVIy.gif

[John]

Trump on Hitler's invasion of Poland, 'That was tough.'

He does have a gift for skirting around things he very obviously knows absolutely nothing about.

[Disco]

Practice makes perfect.

[Bernanke]

https://68.media.tumblr.com/17de67b76fb909a7c75ee9e7d63a8a73/tumblr_osqh0nQp1q1qewacoo1_r1_540.jpg

[John Arne]

https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/mike-pence-nasa-touch.jpg

[Reg]

Quite interesting on Trump/Putin body language: http://time.com/4849232/g20-summit-donald-trump-vladimir-putin-body-language/?utm_campaign=time&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&xid=time_socialflow_facebook

[Lewis]

I felt let down that he never said something along the lines of 'I thanked him for his help in the election'. If he was genuinely committed to trolling he would have done so.

[John]

They've committed to creating a joint task force to tackle 'cyber crime', so he might as well have.

[Ian]

https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/mike-pence-nasa-touch.jpg

If you're gonna put it in inverted commas people are qquite right to assume you're being sarcastic.

[Bernanke]

Don Jr just tweeted out the e-mails exchanged ahead of his meeting with the Russian lawyer. It contains this for example:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEdoX5_VoAADnGm.jpg:large

I swear to god this family are the dumbest motherfuckers to walk the face of the planet. It's like real life Burn After Reading.

[phonics]

Don Jr. might just be the dumbest person alive.

'Yiz hallo, iz me, Russian Government Official, Collusion Colludakov, I have information from Russian Government to bring down your opponent, can you meet me for some light treason around lunch time'

'Sure thing bro! I would love to'

The Trump campaign team referring to him as Fredo is too perfect.


Being weaker and less intelligent than his brothers, Fredo has little power or status within the Corleone crime family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corleone_family). The infant Fredo had pneumonia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumonia). In the novel, Fredo's primary weakness is his womanizing, a habit he develops after moving to Las Vegas and which earns his father's disfavor. In the films, Fredo's feelings of personal inadequacy and his inability to act effectively on his own behalf are character flaws leading to greater consequences.

[Bernanke]

Kushner and Manafort were at the meeting as well, but Kush supposedly bailed after 10 minutes.

[Jimmy Floyd]

'N*gga, is you taking notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy?'

[Bernanke]

http://i.imgur.com/uw3EDeW.png

:D

[Lewis]

I once saw a programme where 'Emin' showed Eamonn Holmes around an empty mansion and pretended he loved his life. Something tells me he isn't quite the Kremlin power-broker he was attempting to pass himself off as.

[Lewis]

Emin Araz oglu Agalarov (Azerbaijani: Emin Araz oğlu Ağalarov; 12 December 1979), simply known under the stage name Emin, is an Azerbaijani singer-songwriter and businessman.[1] He writes and performs songs in English[2] and Russian and is widely popular in Azerbaijan, Russia and Europe.[citation needed]

lol

[GS]

This is great theatre, if nothing else.

[Byron]

I'd love to say 'this is it' but given Trump is Mr. Teflon I imagine he'll put it down to FAKENEWS and life will continue to roll on.

[GS]

One has to remember that even they managed to impeach him insofar as he stood 'trial', the Senate would never actually vote to get rid of him. My suspicion is he'll be beaten in a primary challenge in 2020, or he'll find an excuse not to run for a second term e.g. he's "so, so integral to my business empire - really, it's amazing - that it can't run without me."

So funny as it is to watch, you can't see much of actual 'consequence' coming of it.

[bruhnaldo]

so is this what we're saying happened:

ZE RUSSIANS: "Hello comrade, we have potentially useful information on how scummy Hillary Clinton is if you were to be so inclined?"

DON JR: "Oh wow, that's fantastic."

ZE RUSSIANS: "Yes, indeed. We, the Russians, would much rather have your father as President because we do not trust Hillary Clinton because of her past dealings with us. We didn't make up any of this information and much of it is actually Hillary's own words. When can we set up a meeting?"

[phonics]

No mate, the bloke you voted for is just an idiot and put his idiot seed in a position to fuck himself, and being an idiot, he did it.

It's just a giant pile of dumbasses on one side and a separate pile of cynical Republicans putting party before country on the other is all.

It's the definition of Occam's Razor.

[Magic]

Erm?

[bruhnaldo]

For the record I was seriously asking. I don't trust CNN or Fox or anything so I don't really get it.

I don't really understand why using Hillary and staff's own words against them should be considered a bad thing. It's not as if they didn't purposefully give Hillary the nomination over Bernie.

[bruhnaldo]

sidenote it annoys me that this frog guy that I use in my avatar has basically become some kinda symbol for racist idiots

i was using this avatar for ages :(

[Spikey M]

His name is Pepe and he pulls his pants down to pee.

[bruhnaldo]

Lol one time I remember I was so drunk I literally stood at the urinal like HOW THE FUCK DO WE EVEN DO THIS WITHOUT PULLING DOWN MY PANTS lmfao

Good times.

[phonics]

For the record I was seriously asking. I don't trust CNN or Fox or anything so I don't really get it.

I don't really understand why using Hillary and staff's own words against them should be considered a bad thing. It's not as if they didn't purposefully give Hillary the nomination over Bernie.

This meeting happened before any of the e-mails came out, before any of the Russia stuff came out.

Why would the Clinton campaign hire this guy:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEbAzRQXsAQYdlB.jpg
http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/embed-lg/public/2017/07/11/robgoldstone2.jpg

To contact campaign heads introduced to them by a guy who has millions of dollars worth of black money slushing round Ukraine/Crimea (Paul Manafort), to convince them to meet about 'Russian Government officials with dirt on Hilary Clinton' only for the ACTUAL Russians to convince Jon 'Giant DC Dumbass' Podesta to click on a fucking basic phishing link and release thousands of e-mails a few weeks later. Even if we ignore that meeting, are we then saying that Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort's choice for NSA chief, who also met with seperate Russians to sort out back channel communications was also a set-up? And then it that case are we to assume that the seperate meeting with a Russian State banker with dumbass-in-law Jared, discussed setting up yet another back channel to Russia was yet another set-up? And the fact that every one of these people said these meetings never happened right up until the point where someone says 'Here is proof of you meeting these people' at which point they say 'Okay, you caught me, but I wasn't doing anything illegal or bad.'

And it was all a set-up so that Hilary Clinton could lose the election by a few hundred thousand votes... wait, what?

Occams Razor.

[Magic]

I'll shove occams razor up your arsehole ya dirty wee holey Swiss cheese cunt.

[Magic]

Lol one time I remember I was so drunk I literally stood at the urinal like HOW THE FUCK DO WE EVEN DO THIS WITHOUT PULLING DOWN MY PANTS lmfao

Good times.

You are the cancer of this board.

[-james-]

The west is over. Everyone in power is thick/delusional/inhabits a different plane. Ni hao.

[bruhnaldo]

You are the cancer of this board.

Aww honey <3

[GS]

They're only there because the public, or subsets thereof, have voted to put them there.

[phonics]

I don't even need to crack out the George Carlin quote on that one.

[Lofty]

All the clowns who voted for Trump are going to be doing their best Scooby Doo 'ruh row' impressions when Donny gets the US into a needless war and starts drafting them.

[-james-]

They're only there because the public, or subsets thereof, have voted to put them there.
I know.

I'm just amazed that the conditions could be such that it's been able to happen. And that really, is there not anybody less shit?

[Pepe]

Bernie.

[Lewis]

Isn't he literally a FRAUD now?

[Pepe]

Probably. Haven't paid much attention lately.

[Spoonsky]

Bernie would win in 2020, I tell you. And I wouldn't it past him to give it a run either.

[GS]

Bernie has three houses and complains that rich people horde things. The man's an actual fraud.

[GS]

I know.

I'm just amazed that the conditions could be such that it's been able to happen. And that really, is there not anybody less shit?

It's because we've infantilised the electorate by offering them easy solutions (supposedly) to complex problems. They think things are easy, and therefore anybody can do the job. It's why things like "being relatable" or placing them on the "he cares!!" 1 to 10 scale suddenly matters to such a degree.

[Spoonsky]

Bernie has three houses and complains that rich people horde things. The man's an actual fraud.

I don't think he's talking about houses. :cab:

Anyways, after Trump personal life will never matter. Bernie's the closest the left have to Trump which is why he could win.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He would have beaten Trump easily, I've concluded.

[GS]

No, about yachts and cars.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT8WXe3IsIUyvBVGBgYhDobEOERaNRfK 3Wvg3ui6jVBTZLtpWDv

Give "us" a break indeed. Owning multiple homes obviously doesn't count. As I said, the man's a fraud. It's easy to talk the game to get naive youngsters on board, mind you.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Most top commies, historically, have been quite decently off to start with. You don't have enough time to think up all that bollocks if you have to work in the fields/down a mine for a living.

[Bernanke]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEe5rDsWAAExmtd.jpg:small

So the party is only 1/3rd fascist.

[Jimmy Floyd]

That's a dreadful leading question tbf.

[phonics]

Quick picture of Bernies third house the big old fraud.

http://hbu.h-cdn.co/assets/16/32/980x490/gallery-1471015972-index-bernie-sanders-home.jpg

Phwoar! The guys been in one of the best paying jobs in the country for 40 years. I'd be fucking worried if he was struggling for pennies.


Bernie Sanders’ public disclosures show that his net worth is between $194,026 and $741,030, Politico reported. The news site says that Bernie’s assets are listed in his wife, Jane’s, name, and include investment funds.


However, Politico said Sanders also listed $25,002-$65,000 in credit card debt.

Some media sources use the higher figure when they report Bernie’s net worth at $700,000. He is far poorer than most in Congress; the median net worth in 2013 was $1 million for those serving in Congress. In the Senate, the median income was $2.8 million. Sanders also has a lower net worth than other presidential candidates.

[Spoonsky]

No, about yachts and cars.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT8WXe3IsIUyvBVGBgYhDobEOERaNRfK 3Wvg3ui6jVBTZLtpWDv

Give "us" a break indeed. Owning multiple homes obviously doesn't count. As I said, the man's a fraud. It's easy to talk the game to get naive youngsters on board, mind you.

He has turned into sort of a caricature, at least on social media. (Again, that's one reason he could beat Trump. Our country's retarded.) His anti-billionaire rhetoric was never the reason I liked him though.

[Pepe]

The house thing is pretty lol.

[bruhnaldo]

All the clowns who voted for Trump are going to be doing their best Scooby Doo 'ruh row' impressions when Donny gets the US into a needless war and starts drafting them.

The US is always at needless war silly

Besides I'm apparently draft exempt because I'm the last male of my bloodline/surname some shit

[bruhnaldo]

Bernies Audi TT is pretty sweet too

[bruhnaldo]

I'm not even mad

How can my moral compass say "make all the money !!" But want Bernie to live poor because he's a communist Marxist socialist blahist ?

Take advantage of capitalism my boy

[GS]

The house was $600,000, phonics. I don't care that he bought another house, but you can't criticise rich people for buying high-priced materialistic assets they don't need when you're a rich person buying high-priced materialistic assets you don't need.

It's a bit like Jeremy Irons complaining in an interview about inequality only to have the interviewer point out that he owns seven homes. "Yes, homes are my only extravagance." Quite.


He has turned into sort of a caricature, at least on social media. (Again, that's one reason he could beat Trump. Our country's retarded.) His anti-billionaire rhetoric was never the reason I liked him though.

Apparently the Republicans had a file of opposition research on Bernie that was about six inches thick. I don't know how it would have played out obviously, but trying to out populist the populist may not have been too successful. If you think about the states where Trump won it (I'm thinking of the rust belt specifically), you suspect they would still have got behind Trump's anti NAFTA, high tariff protectionism.

[phonics]

'Binders of opposition research'

[Shindig]

Who would you rather had those expensive homes? The people who can't afford them or people who can? I agree it's hypocritical but hypocrisy is everywhere. I could find it in you, me, everyone.

[GS]

Who would you rather had those expensive homes? The people who can't afford them or people who can? I agree it's hypocritical but hypocrisy is everywhere. I could find it in you, me, everyone.

As I said, I personally don't care he bought a third home. He has the money, he should do what he wants with it. What I'm not having is the hypocrisy of criticising other people for doing exactly what he's doing himself. As you may have gathered, this sort of hypocrisy is the reason I can't hack the socialists.

[Shindig]

But the right's guilty of it too. Can you not just accept that those in the political circles have the bread to buy extra shit?

[Henry]

This is weak sauce. Bernie is the man.

Also, on Russia, I continue to be of the view that there's fuck all to it other than probably a bit of stupidity on behalf of the Trump campaign. The Democrats and the media aligned with them are getting far too much of a free pass for pushing it when there's much more serious stuff going on. Fake News indeed.

[GS]

But the right's guilty of it too. Can you not just accept that those in the political circles have the bread to buy extra shit?

The right are far more comfortable with the idea that you can, and should, earn more money than other people if you're good at something and should be free to spend it as you wish without criticism.

[ItalAussie]

I think we can all agree that Sanders is the real problem at the moment, rather than a blinkered attempt to divert attention from the fact that the President of the US is an insane plutocrat leading a party of borderline fascists.

[GS]

:rolleyes:

Because people aren't capable of two strands of argument on here at the same time.

The fact remains he won't be impeached, because the Republicans in the Senate will never vote it through. So much as the Democrats would love it, it's a non-starter. They need to start getting ready for 2020 instead of trying to re-fight 2016.

[Pepe]

Hypocrisy like the republican Senate wanting to take subsidized medicine away from everyone. Except themselves. But those socialists!

[phonics]

The fact remains he won't be impeached, because the Republicans in the Senate will never vote it through. So much as the Democrats would love it, it's a non-starter. They need to start getting ready for 2020 instead of trying to re-fight 2016.

:rolleyes:

Because people aren't capable of two strands of argument on here at the same time.

You might have noticed there's a small healthcare bill being fought over in the Senate at the moment.

[GS]

Hypocrisy like the republican Senate wanting to take subsidized medicine away from everyone. Except themselves. But those socialists!

You won't find me defending the Republicans on healthcare.

[GS]

phonics, mate, give it up.

[Henry]

:rolleyes:

Because people aren't capable of two strands of argument on here at the same time.

You might have noticed there's a small healthcare bill being fought over in the Senate at the moment.

You're forgetting that democracy is something that happens every four years. You're not allowed an opinion in between times.

[Pepe]

I don't think he'll be impeached either. He probably wins 2020 too, the Democrats haven't shown any hint of pulling their heads out of their asses.

[phonics]

phonics, mate, give it up.

What should The Democrats be doing, political strategist who is always right, GS?

[phonics]

I don't think he'll be impeached either. He probably wins 2020 too, the Democrats haven't shown any hint of pulling their heads out of their asses.

I think the normies will lose and they'll come out for Single Payer, whether they do it before 2018 is the key.

[GS]

What should The Democrats be doing, political strategist who is always right, GS?


They need to start getting ready for 2020 instead of trying to re-fight 2016.

Try and read, phonics, mate.

[phonics]

Try and read, phonics, mate.
:rolleyes:

Because people aren't capable of two strands of argument at the same time.

[GS]

You're like a bad smell that won't go away.

[phonics]

Strong retort. I'm off to 'Get Ready' for an election in 3 years when the actual election that matters is next year.

[Bartholomert]

Bernie would win in 2020, I tell you. And I wouldn't it past him to give it a run either.

Do you genuinely believe that? That's just straight delusion if you are serious.

[Bartholomert]

This is weak sauce. Bernie is the man.

Also, on Russia, I continue to be of the view that there's fuck all to it other than probably a bit of stupidity on behalf of the Trump campaign. The Democrats and the media aligned with them are getting far too much of a free pass for pushing it when there's much more serious stuff going on. Fake News indeed.

This. They are fucking idiots and liars though, the extent to which is honestly disappointing.

[Henry]

This. They are fucking idiots and liars though, the extent to which is honestly disappointing.

The "serious stuff" is the Paul Ryan agenda to destroy any part of the government that works for the benefit of the people of the country, you know.

[Henry]

http://www.bestofviral.online/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/jesus_care_pence_fb.jpg

In case one thinks that offing Trump will make things all good.

[phonics]

The "serious stuff" is the Paul Ryan agenda to destroy any part of the government that works for the benefit of the people of the country, you know.

That's the bit mert likes and they're pretty honest about it.

[Lewis]

In case one thinks that offing Trump will make things all good.

He never said that. When did you actually stop thinking about these things?