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[phonics]

I mean he was considered a branding / marketing genius before he became president. Maybe the secret to success is to be super insecure and overcompensate nonstop for it?

Branding / marketing genius. Fucking lol.

[Disco]

Where did he sell those steaks again?

[Bartholomert]

They have to ditch him. You cannot govern on this. It's been four weeks and he's already brick-walled and lashing out. America cannot take four years of legitimate stagnation.

Do you do any independent thinking or do you just regurgitate what the media elites want you to believe without questioning on every topic?

[phonics]

That's Shinners. The media elite.

[GS]

They have to ditch him. You cannot govern on this. It's been four weeks and he's already brick-walled and lashing out. America cannot take four years of legitimate stagnation.

And yet, somehow, the country hasn't fallen apart just yet.

[Mellberg]

I mean he was considered a branding / marketing genius before he became president. Maybe the secret to success is to be super insecure and overcompensate nonstop for it?

I'll cross my fingers for you.

[ItalAussie]

Surely if there are media elites, it's the ones who have the President's ear and drive his policy decisions. Not the other ones.

[Shindig]

Do you do any independent thinking or do you just regurgitate what the media elites want you to believe without questioning on every topic?

As opposed to the 'regurgitated thinking' of the legal elites you're trying to join?

[ItalAussie]

Trump asked black journalist April Ryan if she would set up a meeting for him with the Congressional Black Caucus to discuss his inner-city agenda: “Are they friends of yours?”
:D

It's a thin line between parody and farce.

[GS]

Trump is highly watchable, at least.

[Bartholomert]

:D

It's a thin line between parody and farce.

I'm pretty sure he's trolling. Pretty sure.

[Shindig]

What kinda of a response is that? What benefit does a political leader going into press conferences with the, "Fine. Everything's fine. Great, in fact. Amazing." If this is one big troll job then how much damage is it doing? I mean, he can't string a team together, the public's not on his side and his reputation with other leaders within and outside the US is already in the toilet.

[John Arne]

I think the best part of yesterday was...

Trump: Fake news is terrible.. fake news... terrible
...
Trump: We had the largest electoral margin since Reagan
Reporter: That's not correct
Trump: Yeah, well, somebody just told me that, so I don't know


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUod8yzzvvc

[Jimmy Floyd]

Trump is highly watchable, at least.

Really? I'm bored of his crap voice now.

[John]

A President who just parrots whatever shit is given to him is exactly what's required. The way he just brushes it off with 'not my fault' any time someone points out he's talking nonsense is great fun though.

[Bernanke]

https://i.imgur.com/baLFRiY.png

Economic conditions are bad if a black man runs the show. :rosebud:

[Disco]

I'm very much enjoying Tiny Trump.

http://i.imgur.com/zI9na2b.png

http://i.imgur.com/RioWSLW.png

http://i.imgur.com/JWpxNew.png

http://i.imgur.com/1bbssRL.png

[Henry]

The media is the enemy of the people. Not scary at all, hearing that.

[Magic]

Scousers like this.

[Bartholomert]

The media is the enemy of the people. Not scary at all, hearing that.

I mean the Left-wing media is...they just spread lies 24/7 to promote their own political views

[Shindig]

"Hi, I'm Bill O'Reilly. I will now present my political views as news."

[ItalAussie]

That press conference was just a thing of beauty.

If you ever want to show someone the platonic example of someone who's coming apart at the seams because they've realised they're in far, far deeper water than they first realised, you just show them that. Trump won't get impeached (both sides of the legislative branch are craven cowards), but there's got to be a very real chance that he'll pack it all in well before the end of the term, surely.

I've never seen anyone before who so obviously hates their job, and I worked at a supermarket for five years.

[Shindig]

Will he, though? You can't go to the press with this much pride and then hand it all in. I think the CIA and FBI need something on him. Ask Russia for the tapes.

[ItalAussie]

Will he, though? You can't go to the press with this much pride and then hand it all in. I think the CIA and FBI need something on him. Ask Russia for the tapes.

I think he got his energy from his rallies. He loved being in front of thousands of people cheering him on, saying whatever came to mind without consequence. Now it's just a difficult office job where everyone criticises your mistakes, even friendly media voices call out lies, there's two other government branches keeping tabs on you, and those thousands of people from before are expecting you to give them the world.

Isn't he organising another rally in Florida to make himself feel better? Mate, you're President now. The campaign is over, and the job has started. And the job sucks.

[Bartholomert]

That press conference was just a thing of beauty.

If you ever want to show someone the platonic example of someone who's coming apart at the seams because they've realised they're in far, far deeper water than they first realised, you just show them that. Trump won't get impeached (both sides of the legislative branch are craven cowards), but there's got to be a very real chance that he'll pack it all in well before the end of the term, surely.

I've never seen anyone before who so obviously hates their job, and I worked at a supermarket for five years.

Do you realize his press conference was received as one of the greatest by any President ever by the right? We are loving the Left absolutely lose it's mind.

[ItalAussie]

I'm pretty sure he could take a dump on the podium and you'd all jerk one out to it, so let's not overstate things.

It was wonderful though. He's like three pointed SNL impressions away from turning into Peter Finch from Network. :D

[John]

Do you realize his press conference was received as one of the greatest by any President ever by the right? We are loving the Left absolutely lose it's mind.

If that's true then you've all vanished into an irony free zone in a crease of someone's arsehole.

[Yevrah]

That press conference was just a thing of beauty.

If you ever want to show someone the platonic example of someone who's coming apart at the seams because they've realised they're in far, far deeper water than they first realised, you just show them that. Trump won't get impeached (both sides of the legislative branch are craven cowards), but there's got to be a very real chance that he'll pack it all in well before the end of the term, surely.

I've never seen anyone before who so obviously hates their job, and I worked at a supermarket for five years.

I had this nailed down from day 1. The actual job, with all the bullshit you have to deal with, is not close to fun and he doesn't remotely strike me as the type who'd be arsed with that long term.

[John Arne]

"Some are considering it the greatest ever press conference"
"The left-wing media just spread lies" (what have Fox been doing for the past 8 yrs?)

Now I know Mert is just trolling us all.

[mikem]

Trump is playing just fine to his base. He has always been 100% content free. Everyone just ignores it when he bashes the people they hate. His views on the Middle East were always a form of that nonsense he spouted on uranium. If you pointed it out intelligent people left, right, and center would go on about Hillary's dumb idea, Obama, or the policy elite. I fell for it when he was doing it to Bush and Rubio, you all loved it against Hillary, and people in the South and Midwest will continue to love it against Hollywood, liberals, and the bubble elites. As a red state D it will play for a long while, but everyone else can stop acting like they didn't fall for it too.

[Bernanke]

https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/833108296248750080

I have no idea what happened last night in Sweden. Maz?

[Byron]

So turns out the reason Trump is struggling to fill many of the 4,000 presidential appointed posts is that they are vetoed by him if they have ever criticised him in the past.

It's quite amusing watching what happens when a five year old is in charge but then you realise that he's calling the media the 'Enemy of the American people' and you realise he's not far off Chairman Mao.

Thank God for checks and balances I guess.

[Ian]

"Swedes baffled by Trump’s ’last night in Sweden’ comment"
http://www.thelocal.se/20170219/swedes-baffled-by-trumps-last-night-in-sweden-comment

But then one of the sidebar stories is "Sweden feels pinch of Mediterranean vegetable shortage" so maybe it's that.

[Bernanke]

But then one of the sidebar stories is "Sweden feels pinch of Mediterranean vegetable shortage" so maybe it's that.

Bad hombres squeezing us.

[Shindig]

"Come here, crazed member of the public."

The state of it.

[Lewis]

I saw the clip before the 'lol what happened in Sweden?' stuff, and I took it to mean them locking up that Syrian war criminal who arrived as a refugee.

[Mazuuurk]

Nothing of note happened here. He seems to claim he was referring to something he saw on Fox about Sweden 'in general'. From what I gather, this guy called Ami Horowitz is trying to make some sort of documentary about immigration and violence in Sweden. It would actually have been quite interesting to see, but then I saw a clip with him on Fox just now and he seems, well, quite American in his style of Journalism.

Basically, a whole bunch of the stats he was talking about are not correct (someone debunked it). For instance Sweden only recieved 30.000 immigrants in 2016 (a lot more in 2015 though).

For instance he says the "statistics are clear" about who perpetrators of crime are. Now, whoeved does commit crimes is one thing, it could be that refugees are overrepresented or not - but there are no statistics to be found in Sweden about that since crime reports or statistics in general never factor in ethnicity (you are not allowed to keep track of people ethnicity in Sweden, the police tried once at some point in secret and was quite thoroughly bashed for doing that).

[Bernanke]

That's the most laughable thing about the Fox-coverage. You don't need to make up shit to have a critical discussion about the challenges and yes, problems, that the amount of asylum seekers we took in over the last 3-ish years has led to. It's really frustrating to try to take the position of "maybe we took in too many during 2015" when way more than 50% of the people agreeing with that are complete loons.

[phonics]

Loved the graph outlining how there's thousands more rapes in Sweden per year without mentioning that the Swedish definition of a rape crime is a million times broader than every other country in the world.

[Offshore Toon]

Say what you like about 'Saint, but he had the Somalians figured out years ago.

[Magic]

Loved the graph outlining how there's thousands more rapes in Sweden per year without mentioning that the Swedish definition of a rape crime is a million times broader than every other country in the world.

Ah that's ok then!

[Lewis]

The easiest way for Sweden to counter all of this stuff (and no doubt better inform official responses) would be to start recording who commits crimes, so it's pretty pathetic that they refuse to do so.

[phonics]

Ah that's ok then!

Sexual Harassment is a rape crime in Sweden rather than Harassment. It's incredibly broad.

If I put every attempted murder, GBH, ABH and Domestic Abuse charge into the murder bucket then murders would go up. It's how statistics work. Like how it seems that 'millions more are in poverty now than at any other time' because we lowered the poverty line.

[phonics]

The easiest way for Sweden to counter all of this stuff (and no doubt better inform official responses) would be to start recording who commits crimes, so it's pretty pathetic that they refuse to do so.

They don't for the same reason the UK stopped doing it, it pointed out the fact that non-whites were more likely to be stopped/arrested by Police despite having not comitted crimes and showed there is systematic racism built into the system. Easier politically just not to write it down.

[Magic]

Sexual Harassment is a rape crime in Sweden rather than Harassment. It's incredibly broad.

If I put every attempted murder charge into the murder bucket then murders would go up. It's how statistics work.

That is absolute bullshite.

[phonics]

For example, Sweden reformed its sex crime legislation and made the legal definition of rape much wider in 2005,[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#cite_note-paradox-3)[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#cite_note-explinationofthelaw-4)[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#cite_note-BBC1-8)[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#cite_note-widening1-12) which largely explains a significant increase in the number of reported rapes in the ten-year period of 2004-2013.[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#cite_note-increase-13)[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#cite_note-reform-effort-14) The Swedish police also record each instance of sexual violence in every case separately, leading to an inflated number of cases compared to other countries.[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#cite_note-BBC1-8)[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#cite_note-VonHofer-11)[15] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#cite_note-method-15) Additionally, the Swedish police have improved the handling of rape cases, in an effort to increase the number of crimes reported.[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#cite_note-BBC1-8)[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#cite_note-reform-effort-14)[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#cite_note-16)[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#cite_note-17) Raised awareness and a shifting attitude of sexual crimes in Sweden,[note 1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#endnote_id11)[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#cite_note-18) which has been ranked as the number one country in gender equality (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_equality),[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#cite_note-sexualequality-19) may also explain the relatively high rates of reported rape.[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#cite_note-BBC1-8)[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#cite_note-VonHofer-11)[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#cite_note-equality-20)

kek

[Lewis]

When did we stop collecting it? There seem to be some pretty recent statistics floating around.

[phonics]

Last year or two years ago? I remember there was a big hoohah about it.

edit: Fuck me it was 2011, how time flies.

It's on a force-by-force basis rather than a top-down initiative

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/sep/22/police-record-race-stop

[Disco]

I'm not sure but I think if you count more things you really do get a higher number.

[Pepe]

Interesting that it is not just mert the free thinker that is concerned about Sweden, but that he got that shit from the loonie right. They have some odd interests, that bunch.

[phonics]

It's straight out of Harolds stormfront copy/paste posts. They've been banging on about it for years because they think it's the perfect gotcha.

'Look this liberal bastion where people have free education, free access to health services and a high standard of living and the ethnics are destroying it'

All the while ignoring the U.S. has none of these things and saying Socialism is evil.

[Mazuuurk]

The easiest way for Sweden to counter all of this stuff (and no doubt better inform official responses) would be to start recording who commits crimes, so it's pretty pathetic that they refuse to do so.

It's fine to record most demographic aspects, IMO, so long as the target of doing so is to understand sociological reasons behind why and how crime is committed in order to better try to combat it as a society. However, ethnicity as such is not directly relevant, as we know (where you come from geographically, and how you were raised, perhaps, but not your skin colour for instance).


Sexual Harassment is a rape crime in Sweden rather than Harassment. It's incredibly broad.


kek

Yes and no. You're right in that they widened the legislation around it some years ago and that lead to an increase in the statistics. However, Rape and Sexual Harassment are still different things in Swedish legislation. We have something at least we call "Sexual exploitation" or something a bit like that, and what they did was move some of the cases that previously had fallen under that category into Rape, for instance having sex with someone who is unconscious (against their will).

Sexual harassment is more stuff like acting inappropriately towards someone at work or slapping someone on the privates (rather than anywhere else, where it would just be "Harassment").

[Magic]

So rape then.

But please phonics tell us more about how Swedish police are classing looking at a woman as 'rape'.

:eyemouth:

[Jimmy Floyd]

The thing that is oddest about the loonie right is their predilection for fucking weird hair. Geert Wilders is the champion.

[phonics]

Meanwhile, the lols continue

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[phonics]

I hadn't been keeping up with Milo lately. I just saw a picture of his newest look and it looks like he's fallen headfirst into a Hot Topic from 2005.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C49Lp-TWQAAIP6d.jpg:large

[Boydy]

He's been advocating paedophilia too, apparently.

[Disco]

The thing that is oddest about the loonie right is their predilection for fucking weird hair. Geert Wilders is the champion.

It's doubly odd because he's actually lifted it right out of a computer game.

http://i.imgur.com/EgeJL5g.png

http://i.imgur.com/heiAH1A.png

[phonics]

Yes and no. You're right in that they widened the legislation around it some years ago and that lead to an increase in the statistics. However, Rape and Sexual Harassment are still different things in Swedish legislation. We have something at least we call "Sexual exploitation" or something a bit like that, and what they did was move some of the cases that previously had fallen under that category into Rape, for instance having sex with someone who is unconscious (against their will).

Sexual harassment is more stuff like acting inappropriately towards someone at work or slapping someone on the privates (rather than anywhere else, where it would just be "Harassment").

Ah apologies, I inferred from the use of 'passive' that it was about non-violent sexual crimes.

[Mazuuurk]

So rape then.

But please phonics tell us more about how Swedish police are classing looking at a woman as 'rape'.

:eyemouth:

Yeah, but I guess it all depends. For instance before the law change I think they required actual penetration to take place for it to be classified as Rape, whereas now they judge it on the "level of degradation" or some such. Take from that what you will, but I think it's meant to avoid for loopholes where people have done some horrible stuff to women without actually sticking it in. From what I gather though, it's not necessarily meant a higher rate of convictions though (perhaps just as a consequence of more cases). Some law-expert claimed it was probably due to the grey-zone being widened and more being up to calling individual cases one by one.

Personally, I hate the whole topic. Because I'm so torn between how I want rapists to get severely punished and feel like they mostly aren't, and how also I understand how it is immensely hard to prove whether there was consent or not in a lot of cases.

[Mazuuurk]

Ah apologies, I inferred from the use of 'passive' that it was about non-violent sexual crimes.

Yeah well it's just the wrong words for you meaning something else I suppose.

In Sweden, at least, Sexual Harassment is not actually part of the "Sex crimes" part of the legislation but falls under "Discriminatory crimes", for whatever reason. Basically Harassment cases as a whole are not all that severe in Swedish law. Dunno if it's different in the UK for instance.

[Magic]

Yeah, but I guess it all depends. For instance before the law change I think they required actual penetration to take place for it to be classified as Rape, whereas now they judge it on the "level of degradation" or some such. Take from that what you will, but I think it's meant to avoid for loopholes where people have done some horrible stuff to women without actually sticking it in. From what I gather though, it's not necessarily meant a higher rate of convictions though (perhaps just as a consequence of more cases). Some law-expert claimed it was probably due to the grey-zone being widened and more being up to calling individual cases one by one.

Personally, I hate the whole topic. Because I'm so torn between how I want rapists to get severely punished and feel like they mostly aren't, and how also I understand how it is immensely hard to prove whether there was consent or not in a lot of cases.

Personally I'd class any sort of sexual assault as rape, to be honest. But it's good to see phonics will sacrifice the sanctity of the female body just to toe his liberal line.

[phonics]

What are you talking about?

edit: Not sure why I'm even asking, the follow-up is going to no doubt be similarly moronic as any time Magic tries to get involved in anything more complicated than plugging an ethernet cable in.

[Magic]

Tail firmly between legs.

[phonics]

Considering you're running from the question I'm going to take that as a description of self. You're really shit at attempting to be Harold, you always have been. Just move on.

[Magic]

tl;dr

phonics claimed something wholly inaccurate
I refuted it and backed it up with hard evidence
Maz donned phonics
MJ donned phonics

[phonics]

You're terrible at this. At least edit a link into your first post if you're going to try be good at it.

[Mazuuurk]

Personally I'd class any sort of sexual assault as rape, to be honest. But it's good to see phonics will sacrifice the sanctity of the female body just to toe his liberal line.

Sexual assault is the overarching category in Swedish law that Rape is in (it's the worst kind of Sexual Assault), but they also have stuff like showing your cock for someone in an alley, which I wouldn't say is Rape exactly.

[Magic]

Sexual assault is the overarching category in Swedish law that Rape is in (it's the worst kind of Sexual Assault), but they also have stuff like showing your cock for someone in an alley, which I wouldn't say is Rape exactly.

That's sexual harassment surely.

[Bernanke]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5EP1q7VMAEbldO.jpg

http://pix.iemoji.com/images/emoji/apple/ios-9/256/thinking-face.png

[Mazuuurk]

That's sexual harassment surely.

Nope, like I said above, Harassment is a different branch of Law where you can harass people in various ways. The definition in Swedish is akin to "Behaviour that infringes on someones dignity connected to one of the discriminatory grounds (gender, ethnicity, religion...etc etc etc) [...]".

It falls under Laws around discrimination and is based on you doing this or that towards someone because they are something or believe something, usually in the workplace or other public space. It's a bit vague, and I think it's being implemented in a wider way where it doesn't necessarily have to be connected to discrimination.

But in short - if you go and touch the bum of your hot receptionist for instance, it would fall into that (that would specifically be sexual harassment, whereas if you just called her a daft c**t, that might be classified as just harassment). If you show her your cock, it would have been Sexual Assault (if she'd indeed notice it). And if you beat her, tie her up and stick it up her nostril, that would be rape.

[Magic]

Thanks, so I'm even more correct than I was before. :drool:

phonics must be really crawling under that rock now.

[phonics]

Apart from the fact that I was still right and apologised for the part that I got wrong. I'm fine mate. We don't all go into a tailspin the moment a blade of grass falls on us.

[Magic]

http://www.clipartkid.com/images/291/pics-photos-tissues-clip-art-ULFSvX-clipart.jpg

[phonics]

That for cleaning yourself up during your next visit to the airport? I'd use a thicker ply.

Meanwhile,
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I want to die.

[Magic]

We also would like that.

[Raoul Duke]

Paraphrasing off something I saw on Twitter, but why is The President getting his info from Fox News when he has the entire intelligence service at his disposal? He's just a stupid old fucker with minimal critical thinking faculties

[Bartholomert]

Paraphrasing off something I saw on Twitter, but why is The President getting his info from Fox News when he has the entire intelligence service at his disposal? He's just a stupid old fucker with minimal critical thinking faculties

So you would rather he shared sensitive / confidential intelligence instead? What?

Sweden is an utter shambles. You can't twist your self in pretzels about how the definition accounts for a higher number of reported rapes, but the historically unprecedented explosion year over year of whatever reported number you want to rely on, has coincided almost entirely with increases in immigration.

You guys are so so delusional it's unreal. There is a problem. It's just a matter of how much more damage you are willing to wreak on your socities before you are forced to take steps to find a solution. And the more you wait, the more difficult and costly that solution will be.

[Byron]

So what you're saying is that we need some sort of final solution?

[Max Power]

These Somalian lads are probably just grabbing them by the pussy and stupid liberal Sweden is classing that alpha behaviour as rape.

[John]

I love that, according to Mert, the alternative to the President getting his information from cable news outlets is the President giving them information.

[Raoul Duke]

This Milo shitweasel has been bigging up the peado massive: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/20/milo-yiannopoulos-denies-supporting-paedophilia-cpac-online-video

Absolute fruitcake

[Pepe]

Milking the cow like no other.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't know why it's relevant what 'Milo' thinks, or why I have to hear about it.

[Boydy]

I don't know why it's relevant what 'Milo' thinks, or why I have to hear about it.

Free speech!

[Lewis]

It sounds like a whole lot of nothing, but you would have to lol if it was some stuffy conservatives that brought him down rather than the leftists who have done nothing but CHIMP OUT about him for what seems like years.

[Magic]

See phonics is still seething about being owned and also swimming upstream with regards to the middle east. He must be in de nile lol.

[Lewis]

His publisher deciding that now is the time to ditch him makes them look pretty special.

'We paid you to write us a controversial book, not to get go around saying controversial things.'

[John]

I'm not usually on board with Harold comparisons, but continually posting about how you've 'owned' someone when you've done nothing of the sort is a very Harold behaviour.

Tell us you're running riot, Magic. Go on.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Paedo stuff is such a grey area, until an actual crime has been committed at least, and yet it's the only thing that seems to unite the outrage merchants on right and left in absolute zealous fury.

[Lewis]

The comments sound like the sort of thing that if Martin Amis (or some other 'respectable' weirdo) said them everybody would just shrug their shoulders and move on, so this will more than likely just give him even more of what he craves.

[Boydy]

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Bloody hell.

[phonics]

I saw a great comment the other day that Alex Jones had become the dull pundit and the Clinton-wing had turned into Infowars. He was way better when the water was turning frogs gay.

edit: Milo's lost his book deal and is having his speech at CPAC cancelled lol. Funny what you can get in trouble for. Calling trans people mentally disabled and telling women to kill themselves, saying more black people are in jail because they're genetically predisposed to commit crime is just edgy apparently.

[Pepe]

Must be the new hairstyle. Should have stuck to blond.

[Magic]

Who the absolute fuck is that Milo cunt and why is he prominent in my Twitter feed?

[Disco]

Your new right wing persona is coming along well then.

[phonics]

tfw even the Nazis think you're a cunt

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5KnhxAUYAA9Nxe.jpg

[Jimmy Floyd]

Where does Milo go now? Banished to Johann Hari's pederasty lair?

[Adamski]

tfw

Kill this utter cuntery with fire.

[phonics]

Where does Milo go now? Banished to Johann Hari's pederasty lair?

Back to where it all started for him as a humble tech blogger, the Gamers and their gates.

[Bartholomert]

tfw even the Nazis think you're a cunt

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5KnhxAUYAA9Nxe.jpg

The altright never liked him. They view him as a gay Jewish degenerate, possibly planted to undermine the conservative movement.

[Bartholomert]

http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/22cae1a38574facdf6f68aee79700f0f743452b9.jpeg

[phonics]

I love when anons post like they're insiders and follow up by just posting very basic, very public facts.

[John Arne]

What a load of horseshit that is. Sitting on a story because he isn't yet popular enough... yeah, that makes sense - let him get popular first, get a following, then take him down. Brilliant.

[Magic]

It's what Baz is trying to do with us, except we'll never get popular.

[Jimmy Floyd]

'Small fries'

The yanks literally can't do anything without submitting a fast food order.

[Lewis]

The Bill Maher stuff was funny, with people undecided as to whether the appearance 'normalised' him (what a totalitarian concept that is) and wanting to crow about how OUT OF HIS DEPTH he was during the panel discussion (which he was a bit). It was fun while it lasted.

[phonics]

I loved the OUTRAGE at him going on Bill Maher, a man who has practically all the same viewpoints as him.

[Lewis]

Owen Jones is hammering his 'enablers' now. When are you writing that Venezuela article mate?

[Pepe]

From the little I have read, he didn't even really endorse pedophilia, did he? I think what did him was getting some priest involved. Dem christian values shall not be criticized.

[ItalAussie]

CPAC banned the Log Cabin Republicans a few years back. They don't even like 'the gays' who toe the line, let alone flamboyant and unapologetic ones.

They were going to find some excuse to stop Yiannopoulos from speaking. It was just a matter of time.

[Lewis]

833321139191492608

Pepe. :cool:

[Pepe]

:cool:

Biggest don in US politics.

After Bernie of course.

[Bartholomert]

There's just not enough white people anymore for libertarianism to every be main stream.

@Maz

http://bbs.dailystormer.com/uploads/default/optimized/3X/0/2/020dd9219828b2d54cd87ea0e8bbbe1b801bfd86_1_600x490 .jpg

[John]

Whether people were rioting on Monday or not, Trump was full of shit last week when he suggested that something big had happened the previous night. There is no wiggle room there.

Even if you accept his explanation, that he was referring to a Fox News report from the previous night rather than an event and was making a general point about immigration, he's still a twonk. The President of the United States of America is making a context free allusion to a cable news service which has successfully argued in court that it has no obligation to tell the truth, and he's making it badly in language that obfuscates what he's talking about to such a degree that he had to fucking explain himself afterwards.

[Byron]

Amusing image there, appears to come from the Daily Stormer website. Let's review a few of their headlines;


Fag Tears: Jigaboo Boxer Beats Up White Guy Over Homophobic Comments Made Online (extra points because the first line is 'He's a nigger, faggot, Moslem and a porn star...that's a lot of victim points he's racked up there'
The Black Washing of World War 1
Angry Goy: The Ethnic Cleansing Game Starring Natt Danelaw (with tagline 'this is the best thing ever')
Anemic Ape Trolled to Tears by National Socialist Serbian Shitlords (this one is about the abuse Everton Luiz got in a football game the other day)


I especially like the first sentance for the last story 'I find it hard to care about sportsball. In my mind it means one of two things: an altar by which working class white men are subverted into accepting and normalizing negro rapists around their daughters'

[John Arne]

Seriously Mert, I hope you do more research in your job than on here. Literally a 20 second Google Image search revealed that the image attached is from a disturbance in Melilla (that Spanish place in North Africa).
Not that it would even be relevant if it was from Sweden.
http://www.alertadigital.com/2010/11/02/la-agencia-oficial-de-noticias-de-marruecos-inventa-la-muerte-de-un-adolescente-en-melilla-a-manos-de-la-guardia-civil/

Interestingly, the image was also used by a right-wing Canadian website to describe "Muslims rioting in Freiburg, Germany.

FAKE NEWS!!!

https://gyazo.com/8723bf65cf4c6108341cb0b49ae4cfdc.png

I've circled some important info for you.

[John]

It's interesting that even though Rinkeby was burning, the complete shitgibbons gloating about it still can't help introducing an element of dishonesty into proceedings.

[Bartholomert]

Mfw when my trolling gets taken so seriously the responses start to bore me.

[Bartholomert]

Sweden is still a lol shambles. And guess what, now people are talking about it and effectively challenging the 'Nordic Utopia' / 'End of Times Society' myth surrounding the country. Trump wins again boyos.

[Byron]

http://i.imgur.com/sHt5q.jpg

[Mazuuurk]

Sweden is so awesome that even our problems are more relevant to the US than the US' own problems :cool:

Can't blame them for caring.


And while that image is fake, there was indeed some rioting in Rinkeby the other day. It was not related to Trump however. The Police was going to arrest someone and made a complete fuck-up of a job out of it, basically.

Though it's nothing new at all, and I'm not sure why Mert is talking about Sweden as some sort of Utopia. Probably because he knows I live there and dreams of being me. But Sweden has had rioting like this happen occasionally for years now. The largest and most recent one in Stockholm went on in 2013 for a few days in several neighbourhoods. Before that I think 2010 or so.

In Malmö it's happening a bit more frequently. Sweden has had a problem with steadily increasing segregation for decades, just like most other places.

[John]

Fuck off. It's entirely the fault of the last three years of increased immigration and asylum seeking, Trump was right to ban the Muslims, and that's all there is to it.

This is doing the rounds again, and I don't think it will ever not induce a smile.

474134260149157888

[Magic]

Sweden is so awesome that even our problems are more relevant to the US than the US' own problems :cool:

Can't blame them for caring.


And while that image is fake, there was indeed some rioting in Rinkeby the other day. It was not related to Trump however. The Police was going to arrest someone and made a complete fuck-up of a job out of it, basically.

Though it's nothing new at all, and I'm not sure why Mert is talking about Sweden as some sort of Utopia. Probably because he knows I live there and dreams of being me. But Sweden has had rioting like this happen occasionally for years now. The largest and most recent one in Stockholm went on in 2013 for a few days in several neighbourhoods. Before that I think 2010 or so.

In Malmö it's happening a bit more frequently. Sweden has had a problem with steadily increasing segregation for decades, just like most other places.

Nowhere near our no go zones like London and Birmingham.

[Mazuuurk]

Fuck off. It's entirely the fault of the last three years of increased immigration and asylum seeking, Trump was right to ban the Muslims, and that's all there is to it.


Okey


Nowhere near our no go zones like London and Birmingham.

Well I dunno about Birmingham. But the term "no go zone" was never used by Swedish police. They released a report of "high risk neighbourhoods" a few years ago and someone picked up on it saying the police was scared of going there, and started saying we have these no go zones. That's not true, in fact it's more like the opposite; they are trying to have increased Police presence in those places because, well, logic.

[John Arne]

Maz has had a nightmare here.

[Mazuuurk]

Well, I don't get who's being serious about what in this thread, so probably.

[SvN]

Sort it out mate, you're better than that.

[Mazuuurk]

Are John and Magic trying to make Jokes?

[Magic]

:face:

[Mazuuurk]

:sorry:

[Bartholomert]

So you admit there is a problem in those areas (just like in every other country that has accepted people from those backgrounds)...while not making any concession as to whether it might be a recurrent cultural trend among those people or considering that maybe it's a reflection on the larger failure of the policy of mass immigration.

Incredible.

And note that most Americans do have a very idyllic view of the Scandanaviam countries, and that perception is currently being utterly destroyed in the media. People are laughing at your politicians for their delusionally misplaced condescending attitudes.

[Pepe]

Oh noes! People are laughing!

[phonics]

Mert, I'm removing your avi as it's breaking the forum. Don't do it again please. Ty.

[Mazuuurk]

So you admit there is a problem in those areas (just like in every other country that has accepted people from those backgrounds)...while not making any concession as to whether it might be a recurrent cultural trend among those people or considering that maybe it's a reflection on the larger failure of the policy of mass immigration.

Incredible.

And note that most Americans do have a very idyllic view of the Scandanaviam countries, and that perception is currently being utterly destroyed in the media. People are laughing at your politicians for their delusionally misplaced condescending attitudes.

I've never said we don't have problems. Can you quote me where I said we don't have any problems please?

We have had problems for a long, long time. Every single large city has problems, and more so in some areas. You're making a lot of assumptions about the people that live in those places though, for having never been in any of them or known any people from them, I'd wager.

USA is also full of problems. Are you aware of that? No?

[Magic]

Remember when Mert won the board with his Turkey analysis?

[Lewis]

The comments sound like the sort of thing that if Martin Amis (or some other 'respectable' weirdo) said them everybody would just shrug their shoulders and move on, so this will more than likely just give him even more of what he craves.

lol (http://www.theamericanmirror.com/bill-maher-takes-credit-milo-downfall-said-similar-things/) now we can find out.

[ItalAussie]

Mert's worldview depends on Sweden (and other similar social democracies) failing. If someone sneezes, he's basically obligated to treat it as full-scale social breakdown, even if that involves lecturing actual residents of the actual countries as to why they're wrong.

Something has to counter the outrageously good quality-of-life, education, healthcare, and happiness indices.

[Max Power]

Nah dude America would be great if it weren't for the blacks and the mexicans and the JEWS

[Bartholomert]

I've never said we don't have problems. Can you quote me where I said we don't have any problems please?

We have had problems for a long, long time. Every single large city has problems, and more so in some areas. You're making a lot of assumptions about the people that live in those places though, for having never been in any of them or known any people from them, I'd wager.

USA is also full of problems. Are you aware of that? No?

Why are you importing more problems? How does it make Sweden better?

[Bernanke]

Nah dude America would be great if it weren't for the blacks and the mexicans and the JEWS

And the Turks.

[John Arne]

I miss the Turkish Communist Mert (circa. 2006).

[Shindig]

https://meblogwritegood.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/screen-shot-2012-01-09-at-12-27-00-pm.png

[phonics]

The young black man sat in a big leather chair in his lawyer’s office, recounting the song that one of his team-mates on the Dietrich high school football team had taught him. He sang it, the lawyer said, “like it was the Star-Spangled Banner. He didn’t know what it meant.”

“Moon man, moon man, can’t you see,” he sang, “Spics and niggers need to hang from trees.”


The song disparaged black people, Latinos, Jews and gay men, and glorified anal rape and the KKK.


The young man, who is developmentally disabled, was allegedly raped with a coat hanger 18 months ago by John RK Howard, the white team-mate who taught him the song, and two other football players.


On Friday, Howard will be sentenced – but after agreeing to a plea bargain designed to limit his punishment, he will avoid prison. The prosecutor in the case claimed the attack, which occurred after months of racial abuse and bullying, was not racially motivated and did not constitute a sex crime.

Details of Howard’s punishment will not be unveiled until Friday, but he is potentially facing little more than probation, 300 hours of community service and classes in racial sensitivity.

This would never happen in the great ol' US of A. Unlike those vermin immigrants in Sweden. They'd love to rape a retarded black kid with a coat hanger.

[Mazuuurk]

Why are you importing more problems? How does it make Sweden better?

I know it may seem like it, and this may come as a shock to you, but I'm not actually in charge of Swedens state affairs. Incredible, huh? A human of such fine intellect, and girth, such as I - and they leave others in charge. Can you believe it?

[Shindig]

When's your go on the @Sweden twitter account?

[Raoul Duke]

When's your go on the @Sweden twitter account?

If you get a go on it, give TTH a shout out.

[mikem]

Watching politicians get yelled at by ordinary people is so soothing:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/02/22/here-you-go-pick-a-politician-watch-them-get-yelled-at/?postshare=5431487778153564&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.0769762626bf

[Bartholomert]

This would never happen in the great ol' US of A. Unlike those vermin immigrants in Sweden. They'd love to rape a retarded black kid with a coat hanger.

1. He's not developmentally challenged, he's just bad at school. Just like a very sad proportion of the African-American population (only about ~15% read and write at grade level).
2. The kid wasn't sexually assaulted, if you read the whole story they were just trying to prank him, as was common among all players on the team, and it accidentally went too far.
3. Yeah the kid sang a racist song. It's bad. But who among us hasn't said similar things among friends; if anything it shows how much trust / friendship there was between the two.
4. We aren't actively accepting hordes and hordes of uneducated, sexually and physical violent, military aged men from war torn 3rd world countries.

[ItalAussie]

3. Yeah the kid sang a racist song. It's bad. But who among us hasn't said similar things among friends; if anything it shows how much trust / friendship there was between the two.
How has this become a standard excuse that we're starting to see everywhere?

"Oh, sure. I mean, I only say that sort of thing when I'm with people I trust enough to be totally honest about how I feel. It doesn't mean I actually feel that way. I'm actually least honest about who I am when I'm around people I trust."

Decent people don't sing racist songs, even with people they trust. The whole "locker room" argument is childish tripe.

[John Arne]

How has this become a standard excuse that we're starting to see everywhere?

"Oh, sure. I mean, I only say that sort of thing when I'm with people I trust enough to be totally honest about how I feel. It doesn't mean I actually feel that way. I'm actually least honest about who I am when I'm around people I trust."

Decent people don't sing racist songs, even with people they trust. The whole "locker room" argument is childish tripe.

I get what you are saying, but between friends, there is certainly a completely different dynamic and context to these things.

I will happily call my (very close) Vietnamese friends 'Gooks' or 'Charlies' - and they often call me disparaging names for foreigners - it our context, it's completely meaningless - yes, it's slightly childish, but it's harmless.

I think the problem arises when it starts becoming a "group" thing - teams or organisations start using certain inappropriate words or phrases (as in this case) - and new people to the group might not understand the context or origin - or some folk may not have the intellectual capacity to understand the true meanings.

[Shindig]

Erm ... on point 4 it can be argued American military intervention helped create some of that problem.

[John Arne]

Erm ... on point 4 it can be argued American military intervention helped create some of that problem.

Helped... caused.

[Mazuuurk]

3. Yeah the kid sang a racist song. It's bad. But who among us hasn't said similar things among friends; if anything it shows how much trust / friendship there was between the two.
4. We aren't actively accepting hordes and hordes of uneducated, sexually and physical violent, military aged men from war torn 3rd world countries.

3. Me, I haven't said such things amongst friends. Because I'm not a racist, neither amongst friends or amongst anyone else :cab:.

4. No "you're" (you're not fucking American, Mert) just accepting hordes and hordes of physically violent Cartel members. Quite admirable really :harold:

[Byron]

Just to go back to Sweden;


Reality Check: Is Malmo the 'rape capital' of Europe?

The claim: Many young male migrants arrived in Sweden over the past few years, when the country accepted unprecedented numbers of refugees, and there has been a huge rise in sexual crime in Sweden especially in the southern port city of Malmo.

Reality Check verdict: Malmo, along with other urban centres in Sweden, has one of the highest levels of reported rapes in proportion to population in the EU, mainly due to the strictness of Swedish laws and how rape is recorded in the country. The rate of reported rapes in Malmo has not dramatically risen in recent years and has in fact declined from its peak in 2010, before the recent large increases in refugees.

It is not possible to connect crimes to the ethnicity of the perpetrators as such data is not published.

Former UKIP leader Nigel Farage made this claim on LBC radio on Monday 20 February, when he discussed the recent comments by US President Donald Trump about terrorism in Sweden.

Mr Farage said there had been no specific terrorist attacks in Sweden since large numbers of refugees arrived there, but, instead, he claimed Sweden had seen a dramatic rise in sexual crime and its southern port city of Malmo - the third largest city in the country - had become Europe's and possibly the world's "rape capital". So, has there been a big rise in sexual crime in Sweden and have the numbers of rapes increased in Malmo since Sweden took in an unprecedented numbers of refugees?

The first thing to say is that the part of the claim referring to the number of refugees is certainly true.

Sweden has been one of the biggest recipients of refugees in the EU in recent years. According to Eurostat, the agency that collects statistical data from all EU countries, in 2015 Sweden had over 162,000 asylum applications or 1,667 asylum seekers for every 100,000 citizens. A large majority of the 2015 asylum seekers - 114,470 - were male, 45,790 of them between 18 and 34 years of age.

Have there been more sexual offences in Sweden?

"Sexual offences" is a very broad term, which refers to a range of all sex-related crimes in Sweden.

Rape is one of the sexual offences, but other crimes such as paying for sex, sexual harassment, indecent exposure, sexual exploitation, molestation and trafficking are included in the numbers as well.

During 2015, the year in which Sweden took the largest number of asylum seekers, the number of reported sex crimes and rapes actually decreased by 11% and 12% respectively compared with 2014 - 18,100 sex offences were reported to the police, of which 5,920 were classified as rape.

This was preceded by a rise of both sex offences and rapes reported to the police in 2014. The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Bra) says this rise is due to the changes to the legislation in 2013, which made it tougher. Similar increases in the number of reported cases were seen in 2006, after new sex offence legislation came into force in April 2005. Since then, Sweden has recorded every reported case of sexual violence separately.

That means, as Susanne Lekengard from Bra explains, that if a person comes to the police and reports being raped by a partner or husband every day for the past year, the police will record each of these events.

In many other countries these incidents would be recorded just once: one victim, one type of crime and one record. Also, paying for sex became one of the crimes counted in the statistics. Sweden does not publish the ethnicity or national background of perpetrators of any crime, including sexual offences.

What about rape in Malmo?

According to Bra, the number of reported rape cases in proportion to the population in the municipality of Malmo has not seen a sharp increase since the biggest group of refugees arrived.

Reported rapes per 100,000 inhabitants peaked in 2008, 2010 and 2011, and the figures were higher for those pre-refugee influx years than in 2015 and 2016.

In addition, the reported rape figures were not higher in the Malmo municipality, compared with two other major urban municipalities in Sweden: the capital Stockholm and Gothenburg in the west.

It is very hard to compare sex-related offences and rape across the world. Police procedures and legal definitions vary widely around the world, making an international comparison meaningless. The 2012 UN international rape rate comparison showed Sweden to have the highest rate of rape in Europe and the second highest in the world, but the report did not contain data for a total of 63 countries that did not submit any statistics, including, for example, South Africa, where other earlier surveys indicated a very high rape rate.

The most recent Eurostat data for the 28 EU countries also puts Sweden in the top spot.

But the agency warns that comparisons between different countries should be avoided because of differences between their legal and criminal justice systems, recording practices, reporting rates, efficiencies of criminal justice organisations and types of offences included in the categories.

There has also been a public debate in Sweden over the past two decades to raise awareness and encourage women to go to the police if they have been attacked.

This has resulted in a higher report rate than in other countries in Europe.

[Mazuuurk]

Slow Donald Trump down a bit and he becomes that drunken old man ranting in a bar.

https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/835090321713299456


:D

[Mazuuurk]

Dude Byron be careful, those are facts :eek:
And everyone knows facts rape people, especially anally.
That's a fact. It's true.

[Kikó]

Maz, can I stay with you for the Europa league final?

[Byron]

He'll rape you mate.

[Kikó]

Only if I pay.

[mikem]

The best thing about the American exceptionalism crowd is just how low their opinion of America is.

We are always being brought down by Cuba, North Korea, Iran, and a group of refugees that is roughly equivalent in size to the crowd at a Texas high school football game. Not that great really.

[John]

Trump's appearance at this CPAC thing looks to have been quite lol. He seems to have told the media to come say it to his face, which is wonderful.

He's also maintaining his bizarre dual position on the media. The leakers are a disgrace and must be found, but the press are making up their sources.

[Lewis]

This (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/835479283699224576) is pretty lol. Mate...

[Raoul Duke]

He really doesn't have a fucking clue. Genuinely not a sausage.

[Mazuuurk]

Maz, can I stay with you for the Europa league final?

Ya if you bring me a spare ticket, sure.

[Pepe]

Mitt Romney was on campus yesterday. (https://livestream.com/accounts/7945443/events/7060612) It was so incredibly shit. Funny what passes as intellectual discourse over here. Not sure what was my favorite between people thanking him for his service and him stating that the four potential 'leaders of the world' are the U S of A (USA! USA!) and their freedomz, China and their authoritarianism, Russia and its 'crony capitalism,' and the Jihad.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He forgot newly liberated Brexit Britain, spearheaded by Empress Theresa May, Queen of Ireland, Huntress of Flanders, and Warden of the Welsh. We don't have anything to compete with freedomz, true, but we do offer the world decent spelling and a balanced diet.

[mikem]

'Small fries'

The yanks literally can't do anything without submitting a fast food order.


He forgot newly liberated Brexit Britain, spearheaded by Empress Theresa May, Queen of Ireland, Huntress of Flanders, and Warden of the Welsh. We don't have anything to compete with freedomz, true, but we do offer the world decent spelling and a balanced diet.

I don't know. It appears you can teach us a thing or two about cocksure cultural superiority. It is quite a feat to let cultural myopia make you worse at fairly basic biology terms than an idiotic, grammatically challenged, American wannabe Nazi.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Oh, don't tell me, have I committed a federal offence? Awfully sorry about that, old chap.

[Boydy]

I don't get it. What's mikem on about?

[Jimmy Floyd]

He thinks I'm being racist towards Americans.

[Queenslander]

You mean Septics!

[Adamski]

He thinks I'm being racist towards Americans.

Ironically this was one of the few posts where you weren't being particularly disparaging to another country.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Only a porridge-swilling, sour-lipped sweaty could think that.

[Adamski]

Hey! I was on your side there (kind of)

[John]

Trump has created a new office named VOICE. Victims Of Immigration Crime Engagement.

I'm not sure :D covers it.

[MartinSAFC]

I'm going to drop this here. TYT, for those who don't know, are a wildly popular, leftist bunch of twats. And this is their true face.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiWY0iRLV94

[Kikó]

Aaaaand Martin is back.

[Pepe]

Who de we think The Donald is going to invade first?

[Adamski]

Kelly-Anne Conway.

[MartinSAFC]

Trump is the anti-war candidate. This narrative that Trump is a war-monger-in-waiting is laughable.

[Pepe]

He already won.

[Disco]

Didn't he say he wanted to start 'winning more wars again'?

[Pepe]

He did.

[MartinSAFC]

This is the modern day Gettysburg address:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daOH-pTd_nk

[Bernanke]

Who de we think The Donald is going to invade first?

Yemen.

[Henry]

Trump is the anti-war candidate. This narrative that Trump is a war-monger-in-waiting is laughable.

Are you on crack?

[Bartholomert]

Trump has created a new office named VOICE. Victims Of Immigration Crime Engagement.

I'm not sure :D covers it.

Good. People need to know the human cost of being 'empathetic' towards illegal immigrants.

[Raoul Duke]

Maybe they could start one that looks at white collar crime which has a far larger impact?

[Bartholomert]

Maybe they could start one that looks at white collar crime which has a far larger impact?

You can't avoid white collar crime by deporting citizens. You can avoid ALL illegal immigrant crime if you simply deported them.

[Pepe]

Can't fault that logic.

[Shindig]

You can't avoid white collar crime by deporting citizens. You can avoid ALL illegal immigrant crime if you simply deported them.

Australia worked out great.

[ItalAussie]

If you deport all your criminals, they just end up beating you at sports two hundred years later.

It's a risk, is all I'm saying.


EDIT: Dammit, Shindig.

[Disco]

They've thought ahead on this one, American sports are universally awful in order to discourage exactly that.

[Shindig]

I'd welcome an actual World Series, for once.

[Bernanke]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-spoke-twice-with-russian-ambassador-during-trumps-presidential-campaign-justice-officials-say/2017/03/01/77205eda-feac-11e6-99b4-9e613afeb09f_story.html


“I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I did not have communications with the Russians.” - Jeff Sessions, under oath to Sen. Al Franken

So much smoke.

[phonics]

Ever since they let Clapper get away with 'We collect no data on American citizens' perjuring yourself seems easy enough to brush off. It will be funny watching the mental gymnastics being performed from people that spent the last 18 months chanting 'Lock her up' though.

[Mazuuurk]

Not sure mental exercises of any kind are their forte.

[Shindig]

Reagan did it 30 years ago, lads.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R67CH-qhXJs

[Disco]

Lying on tv is one thing, this guy did it under oath did he not?

Did you do a thing?
No sir.
*turns out to have done a thing more than once*

Seems pretty straightforward. Should be amusing watching the orange goblin trying to fill yet another job, has he actually got any staff yet?

[Byron]

He would be able to fill the spot easily if he didn't keep vetoing people for having criticised him at any point in the past.

[Lewis]

It sounds like a pretty nothing SCANDAL, and any half decent legal brain could surely claim that his previous answer was in reference to the campaign having Russian contact, rather than him doing his other job like he was doing. It only has legs if you happen to believe that Donald Trump is the Manchurian Candidate (lol by the way at Americans taking Louise Mensch seriously as an anti-Russian lunatic), in which case the blanks fill themselves in.

[Bartholomert]

Brb doing my job as a senator
Brb this is somehow controversial because the Dems are a shambles

[Henry]

Like most of the Russian shit, it's probably nothing. But they've got to be pretty stupid not to be making sure they're 100% clean on this when they know that the Demmie-crats are trying to make a big deal out of it.

[niko_cee]

Al Franken's a senator?

[John]

Seems pretty straightforward. Should be amusing watching the orange goblin trying to fill yet another job, has he actually got any staff yet?

I read the other day that of the something like seven hundred positions that require senate confirmation he hasn't even nominated anyone for six hundred and seventy.

[Magic]

Don't most presidents normally never full them all?

[Disco]

Full them?

[John]

The same article reckoned Obama had filled a hundred and odd by this point and nominated a load more who had yet to be confirmed.

[phonics]

My First Day At Army Camp

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C58nI6ZXMAAZ5v9.jpg:large

[Boydy]

That's clearly the navy.

[phonics]

You're clearly the navy.

edit: Dang, 'Boat School' would have been a much better punchline as well.

[Bartholomert]

I read the other day that of the something like seven hundred positions that require senate confirmation he hasn't even nominated anyone for six hundred and seventy.

He said that he didn't think those agencies needed those people. It's a deliberate move.

[Ian]

You're clearly the navy.

Zing.

[Henry]

The problem for the Republicans with Trump being so slow to fill those roles is that the process of approval will now stretch out for much longer, and mean that Congress has less time to legislate.
Probably a blessing for the rest of us, then.

[Henry]

An actual tweet from the President of the United States.


@realDonaldTrump 5h5 hours ago

How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!

This was in the middle of the night. I'm assuming that he was intoxicated in some way.

[Raoul Duke]

An actual tweet from the President of the United States.



This was in the middle of the night. I'm assuming that he was intoxicated in some way.

It's based off some bullshit Breitbart article, apparently. Presidents can't order wiretaps, specifically because of Watergate. He's just a fucking moron

[Boydy]

It took him three attempts to spell 'hereby'.

[Bartholomert]

It's based off some bullshit Breitbart article, apparently. Presidents can't order wiretaps, specifically because of Watergate. He's just a fucking moron

Yeah they (indirectly) can. Which it seems like Obama DID do (over Russian ties), although this was old news. Trump just going on the offensive because 4D chess.

[GS]

He's signed another travel ban. I presume there will be comparable outrage and marches as last time. It's not as if these protestors have a finite amount of seethe to expend on the topic before needing to find something else to fume over instead.

[ItalAussie]

He's signed another travel ban. I presume there will be comparable outrage and marches as last time. It's not as if these protestors have a finite amount of seethe to expend on the topic before needing to find something else to fume over instead.

You either want them to protest more or protest less?

[GS]

It hardly matters, but they'll presumably convince themselves it does because of bollocks like "not in our name".

[Max Power]

Not added Saudi Arabia to the list though. What a cuck.

[GS]

Because it's self-indulgent bollocks.

[Lewis]

(lol by the way at Americans taking Louise Mensch seriously as an anti-Russian lunatic)

She was trying to goad Mike Cernovich (probably the biggest pleb on the internet, for those who don't know) into a debate earlier, after Sam Harris lolled his debate challenges off of the Twitter. Love, just retire.

EDIT: lol he agreed to it. In person as well. That will be required viewing.

[ItalAussie]

It hardly matters, but they'll presumably convince themselves it does because of bollocks like "not in our name".

So you disagree with all forms of protest as a general principle?

Which is fine, of course. I'm just curious if that's actually your stance.

[John Arne]

Hold on, didn't the original ban get overturned because of the outrage and protesting?

I'm not 100% certain that the judges would have overturned the decision if their wasn't such a public backlash.
(I could be wrong, of course, but to decry all protesting as a waste of time seems a little bit of a stretch).

[Henry]

So you disagree with all forms of protest as a general principle?

Which is fine, of course. I'm just curious if that's actually your stance.

Expecting people to suck it up when their government turns authoritarian is not fine.

[ItalAussie]

Expecting people to suck it up when their government turns authoritarian is not fine.

By that I mean it's consistent. I disagree with it, but some people are honestly authoritarian in their political outlook.

[Jimmy Floyd]

His entire presidency is just going to be the old developer strategy. Threaten to build a 400-storey megaplex hotel and golf course on a nature reserve and demolish six orphanages to do so. Everyone gets outraged. Revise the plans so it's only a 200-storey hotel and you only have to demolish three orphanages. Everyone says hey, that's not so bad.

[GS]

So you disagree with all forms of protest as a general principle?

Which is fine, of course. I'm just curious if that's actually your stance.

Not with all forms of protest. However, here there is a clear issue. Trump, cunt that he is, stood on a platform of massive increase in border security and implementation of extreme vetting. He won. He's now implementing that platform. You have checks and balances in the system. Your chance to register your discontent with that platform and "take a stand" was at the election. It is not taking to the streets after it because you didn't like the result. Nobody should be changing their mind on the merits of the argument because there's a few people down at the airport holding placards.

Similar logic applies to the pro Europe matches AFTER leave had won the referendum. They are self indulgent nonsense, in these instances.

Some protests are fine, but I would hazard that the fewer celebrities involved then the more likely it is to be actually worth listening to.


Hold on, didn't the original ban get overturned because of the outrage and protesting?

I'm not 100% certain that the judges would have overturned the decision if their wasn't such a public backlash.
(I could be wrong, of course, but to decry all protesting as a waste of time seems a little bit of a stretch).

If it was suspended for any reason other than it didn't adhere to the constitution, the judge should be sacked. You can't have judicial activism operating in a partisan fashion - it's fucking daft.

[phonics]

1) You don't govern the 48% of people who voted for you. You govern the whole population. They're well within their rights to protest.
2) It was an illegal implementation so they were right to protest
3) He didn't run on a platform of 'extreme vetting', he ran on a platform of a completely unconstitutional Muslim ban (the language is still on the campaign website, feel free to take a read).
4) His extreme vetting doesn't address any countries that, ya know, produce terrorists. I'm pretty sure I remember a certain country having a large part to do with 9/11. Weird.
5) You would have definitely been a collaborator back in the day. 'Sorry lads, they occupied us fair and square, now get in the chamber'

[GS]

1) You don't govern the 48% of people who voted for you. You govern the whole population. They're well within their rights to protest.
2) It was an illegal implementation so they were right to protest
3) He didn't run on a platform of 'extreme vetting', he ran on a platform of a completely unconstitutional Muslim ban (the language is still on the campaign website, feel free to take a read).
4) His extreme vetting doesn't address any countries that, ya know, produce terrorists. I'm pretty sure I remember a certain country having a large part to do with 9/11. Weird.
5) You would have definitely been a collaborator back in the day. 'Sorry lads, they occupied us fair and square, now get in the chamber'

I shouldn't engage, but whatever. The Muslim ban was 2015. He modified the rhetoric and plan during the campaign proper. This is what he articulated in the debates. Do I personally agree with it? No. However, those who voted for him would have a reasonable expectation that such policies, more hard-line than previous, would be implemented. Your opportunity to disagree with this approach was in the campaign.

You'll also find that I thought his policy stupid at the outset, but recognised he had a right to implement it. That's what democracy is. If it's unconstitutional, it will make its way through the court system to adjudication by the supreme court.

[ItalAussie]

Right then. I found this darkly amusing:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-obamacare-trump-voter-20170224-story.html


After struggling for years without insurance, the 55-year-old former small-business owner — who has battled diabetes, high blood pressure and two cancers — credits Obamacare with saving her life.

...

Watson also voted for Donald Trump, believing the businessman would bring change. She dismissed his campaign pledges to scrap the Affordable Care Act as bluster.

Paraphrased on Twitter by some wag:


Adrian Bott‏
@Cavalorn
'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party

[ItalAussie]

I shouldn't engage, but whatever. The Muslim ban was 2015. He modified the rhetoric and plan during the campaign proper. This is what he articulated in the debates. Do I personally agree with it? No. However, those who voted for him would have a reasonable expectation that such policies, more hard-line than previous, would be implemented. Your opportunity to disagree with this approach was in the campaign.

You'll also find that I thought his policy stupid at the outset, but recognised he had a right to implement it. That's what democracy is. If it's unconstitutional, it will make its way through the court system to adjudication by the supreme court.

The right to disagree publicly (or privately, if you really believe what you wrote there :cab:) ends with the election result? That's pure authoritarianism.

[phonics]

I shouldn't engage, but whatever. The Muslim ban was 2015. He modified the rhetoric and plan during the campaign proper. This is what he articulated in the debates. Do I personally agree with it? No. However, those who voted for him would have a reasonable expectation that such policies, more hard-line than previous, would be implemented. Your opportunity to disagree with this approach was in the campaign.

You'll also find that I thought his policy stupid at the outset, but recognised he had a right to implement it. That's what democracy is. If it's unconstitutional, it will make its way through the court system to adjudication by the supreme court.

So you're not allowed to voice your disagreement to any policy by any elected government? Sounds democratic.

[GS]

The right to disagree publicly (or privately, if you really believe what you wrote there :cab:) ends with the election result? That's pure authoritarianism.

There are checks and balances in the system to stop him doing anything unconstitutional. You can disagree with what he's doing. Fucking obviously. But organising mass protests against a democratic result is a complete waste of time, and it's self indulgent bollocks undertaken to make the individual feel better about themselves.

Let's see how many of them are out pounding the street for the democratic candidate in 2020, or end up not bothering to vote.

[Henry]

There you have it. Nobody should express dissent outside of an election every four years, and the system is so perfect that it will automatically correct any abuses made by anyone who is elected. :rolleyes:

Meanwhile, the "repeal and replace Obamacare" thing turns out to be not quite that. They're going to leave much of it in place, but just make it a bit worse.

[GS]

Abuses can be corrected, but they won't be corrected by mass protest. The fetish that people of your political persuasion have for mass protest is bizarre.

[Spammer]

In fairness I agree with what GS says about people making themselves feel better. I know a lot of people who go to protest and moan online but actually do fuck all in their day to day lives to make anyone's lives better, ever. They just shit about watching TV and playing on their X-Box.

I can't help but think that if they perhaps put a bit of effort in on a regular basis to contribute in some way towards helping out - in whatever way - they'd feel less of a sense of perennial, sub-level guilt that I think these kinds of things go a long way towards assuaging. They're often trying to show they give a fuck without any personal risk or exposure to something outside of their own comfort zone.

I might be influenced by the people I know in this respect, but there's a lot of that kind of hypocrisy out there.

[Mazuuurk]

There's a pretty big difference in letting Politicians know your'e unhappy with the society you live in and actively trying to do things to change that society. It's a bit like walking and running. But both are probably better than sitting still.

[phonics]

In fairness I agree with what GS says about people making themselves feel better. I know a lot of people who go to protest and moan online but actually do fuck all in their day to day lives to make anyone's lives better, ever. They just shit about watching TV and playing on their X-Box.

I can't help but think that if they perhaps put a bit of effort in on a regular basis to contribute in some way towards helping out - in whatever way - they'd feel less of a sense of perennial, sub-level guilt that I think these kinds of things go a long way towards assuaging. They're often trying to show they give a fuck without any personal risk or exposure to something outside of their own comfort zone.

I might be influenced by the people I know in this respect, but there's a lot of that kind of hypocrisy out there.

I work for an organisation that is helping to treat HIV across the world and volunteer at a soup kitchen for the homeless twice a month. Am I allowed to protest? Do you need to pass some sort of life test?

The world is shite, the system is fucked and we're the first generation in a century that are worse off economically than the previous. People should be protesting every day. Not once every 4-5 years.

[GS]

I work for an organisation that is helping to treat HIV across the world and volunteer at a soup kitchen for the homeless twice a month. Am I allowed to protest? Do you need to pass some sort of life test?

The world is shite, the system is fucked and we're the first generation in a century that are worse off economically than the previous. People should be protesting every day. Not once every 4-5 years.

You work in exchange for salary - let's not pretend it's altruism that's driving it.

On the latter point, I would have zero problem with you arguing a particular point to address the homeless issue. You give up your time for something worthwhile. That's commendable. However, you'd likely make more progress approaching and trying to work with elected municipal officials than getting tens of lads to parade along holding banners and calling them cunts for not fixing it already. Better yet, run for office yourself.

[Spammer]

My flatmates are all into this 'social justice' shit which basically amounts to going on a march and posting shit on Facebook. Have they sought out jobs which contribute to anything positive whatsoever? No. Do they do anything with their spare time to contribute something? No. Do they donate to any charities? No. Do they fundraise at all? No. Do they volunteer? No.

But there they are, trying to look as though they care when basically, in their day to day lives, they do fuck all. Marches and posting shit online though is palatable to them because there is no personal risk of them doing something that'll take them out of their little bubble, and it is also easy to share those kinds of things with people on Facebook and shit like that and pretend that they give a shit.

They don't give a shit. Muggins here is counselling people who have been sexually abused as kids and every other shade of horrible imaginable and isn't allowed to tell anyone about it. That shit impacts my own mental health. They do fuck all in their lives and then go these marches as some kind of stupid fuckhead gesture to show they 'care', and reckon they're in a position to be getting righteous about apathy and social justice etc etc. Piss off. Go and do something with your actual lives if you want to care. Bubble-dwelling, armchair warrior arseholes.

[Mazuuurk]

I'm supposing he isn't getting paid for volunteering. I mean, if you are it's not exactly volunteering is it?

[Spammer]

I work for an organisation that is helping to treat HIV across the world and volunteer at a soup kitchen for the homeless twice a month. Am I allowed to protest? Do you need to pass some sort of life test?

The world is shite, the system is fucked and we're the first generation in a century that are worse off economically than the previous. People should be protesting every day. Not once every 4-5 years.

I'm not directing it at people on here, just people I know. I'm making the point that if people care, they should do something as part of their actual lives. Otherwise protesting is just an empty gesture.

For someone to piss their life away on escapist nonsense is about the biggest example of sitting on privilege going. A lot of people simply don't have that option. Which is fine if that's what people want to do, but to do exactly that and then at the same time get righteous about social justice etc grates me a fair bit. People should live their values, not talk about this shit in the abstract. I wouldn't even care either if they really were just completely apathetic - enough people are already. It's the self-righteousness of it and lack of self-awareness that pisses me off.

[Pepe]

What a seethe. :drool:

[Spammer]

It really is :D

[Pepe]

You have checks and balances in the system.

The only true 'check and balance' in any system is that if you piss off enough people for a long enough time they will chop your head, literally or figuratively.

[GS]

The only true 'check and balance' in any system is that if you piss off enough people for a long enough time they will chop your head, literally or figuratively.

He also has a term limit.