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Yevrah
19-09-2015, 10:21 AM
Because what will be the best game ever needs its own thread.

Mike
19-09-2015, 12:23 PM
Pretty excited about this. Ordered on PC for the better mods.

Raoul Duke
19-09-2015, 09:06 PM
I'm seriously considering booking time off to get balls deep into this.

Alex
19-09-2015, 09:12 PM
I'm seriously considering booking time off to get balls deep into this.

I did this myself a few days ago.

Disco
19-09-2015, 09:21 PM
Two weeks after release is probably sensible for new Bethesda game.

Ian
19-09-2015, 10:20 PM
Disco speaks the truth.

Shindig
19-09-2015, 11:00 PM
Because what will be the best game ever needs its own thread.

After what I've just done in MGSV, it'll have to seriously, seriously go some.

Yevrah
20-09-2015, 07:34 AM
It will, have faith.

Yevrah
21-09-2015, 09:24 PM
So it seems that it's likely that weapon degradation has been removed.

Skills going I could just about deal with, but I'm not a fan of that.

The Merse
23-09-2015, 11:23 PM
Console creation kit :cool:

Modding on PC Q1 2016, Xbox One Q2, PS sometime after that.

Disco
23-09-2015, 11:29 PM
So it seems that it's likely that weapon degradation has been removed.

Skills going I could just about deal with, but I'm not a fan of that.

That would certainly be a worrying sign, the internet dick-rippage will be colossal if it happens.

Adam
24-09-2015, 02:35 PM
Was reading that one of the producers has played over 300 hours and still not covered everything, I can't wait :D

Shindig
24-09-2015, 03:31 PM
300 hours of what, though?

hfswjyr
24-09-2015, 06:51 PM
Side quests.

Yevrah
24-09-2015, 10:02 PM
Yeah, that 300 hours quote is such a misleading one.

You could play it for 10,000 hours and if you haven't made every combination of weapon you could legitimately claim to have not covered everything.

Shindig
25-09-2015, 05:03 AM
And Skyrim was filled with repeatable quests.

Ian
25-09-2015, 07:50 AM
And tiny hidden items and notes and shit.

Not a chance that there's that much to do in there.

Adam
25-09-2015, 08:26 AM
This game will take over my life I can see it already, booked a week off work on release date :D

phonics
25-09-2015, 09:27 AM
]Here’s the big news: as many suspected, Skills are indeed gone, with their effects rolled into a bounteous system of perks with levels of their own. I’ll explain.Right! So, traditionally Fallout characters have had two sets of stats. The S.P.E.C.I.A.L. system defines primary attributes like strength, agility, and charisma, while Skills governed proficiency in specific, er, skills like lockpicking, melee weapons, and repair. S.P.E.C.I.A.L. points are set when you make a character, while Skills were boosted with points earned as you levelled up. On the side of these, it had a series of Perks, a choice very specific bonuses earned every two levels which either give boosts or unlock new abilities. Well, Skills are now gone, rolled into Perks.
Fallout 4’s new order has no level cap, slightly faster levelling than Fallout 3, no Skills, and a Perk point every level. It has a big chart of 70 perks – each level of S.P.E.C.I.A.L. attribute unlocks another – each of which has five ranks. For example, Bethesda say, “Gunslinger has ranks that up the range of pistols, add a chance to disarm enemies, and even instant limb crippling shots.” Why ditch skills? Bethesda explain:

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“The previous Skill system had some confusing parts and ended up spreading your choices too thin. Some of you had questions like: “What’s better, the Charisma SPECIAL, or the Speech Skill? Why are assault rifles in Small Guns?” Additionally many Perks simply raised associated Skills. The Gun Nut Perk in Fallout 3 increased two separate Skills. In Fallout 4, the ranks of Gun Nut act as gates for modifying and crafting weapons. Sneak was a skill in Fallout 3, and you simply increased its value. In Fallout 4 Sneak becomes a Perk that not only makes you harder to detect, but wraps in previous perks like Silent Running and Light Step into its ranks. By wrapping these systems together, it keeps the emphasis on your SPECIALs and the level-up choices more rewarding.”


This sounds more interesting to me than Fallout 3’s system. In Fallout 3, levelling up could mean simply getting an insignificant stat boost you’d never notice – especially if you were trying to raise a skill like Lockpicking, which would only meaningfully change with two levels’ worth of points. I dig the sound of every level bringing an actual change. Skill points were a leftover from Black Isle Studios’ original Fallouts, which Bethesda’s game was quite different to, and felt out of place.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1&v=vsFpH4jm-QI

Disco
25-09-2015, 11:31 AM
So, Skyrim with guns then?

Yevrah
26-09-2015, 12:48 AM
They've fucking smashed it. My word Bethesda are good.

Guido-
26-09-2015, 12:58 AM
never played fallout before is there multiplayer? x

Yevrah
26-09-2015, 08:31 AM
Nope and I hope there never is.

Shindig
26-09-2015, 09:13 AM
Imagine multiplayer deathmatch with VATS. Beautiful.

Yevrah
26-09-2015, 09:17 AM
Is there a full perk list up anywhere yet?

Adam
26-09-2015, 09:23 AM
I agree with Yev on this one.

Yevrah
02-10-2015, 07:51 PM
40 days to go. :drool:

Yevrah
03-10-2015, 06:35 PM
Bit more detail on the perks.

http://www.shacknews.com/article/91562/fallout-4-perks-identified

Baz
03-10-2015, 06:47 PM
I played Fallout 3 pretty obsessively but only for about 2 weeks, and then I felt like I wasn't getting anywhere so sacked it off.

Hoping to get Fallout 4 and get that bug again.

Raoul Duke
03-10-2015, 08:42 PM
Bit more detail on the perks.

http://www.shacknews.com/article/91562/fallout-4-perks-identified

Neat. Probably go with a Charisma/Intelligence build.

Yevrah
03-10-2015, 11:44 PM
I'm struggling to work out what to favour from that, but when they're all released I'll know.

If only every company put the level of effort into their games that Bethesda do.

Disco
04-10-2015, 10:09 AM
If only they could put a little depth as well as breadth into them...

Yevrah
04-10-2015, 10:27 AM
What would that depth look like?

I don't get the charge if I'm honest.

phonics
04-10-2015, 02:51 PM
What would that depth look like?

I don't get the charge if I'm honest.

It's all very surface level. Character development doesn't exist outside of stat points. You can save the world 3x over and it barely registers outside of the odd NPC bark.

Yevrah
04-10-2015, 02:53 PM
What games do have character development?

phonics
04-10-2015, 02:55 PM
The Witcher?

Yevrah
04-10-2015, 03:05 PM
Possibly, but if it does it's through the medium of cut scenes, which I can take or leave to be honest.

No game I can think of puts you in charge of a character that develops properly. Hell, a lot of films struggle with that, so I've no idea how it can be a fair charge against a game at this point in time.

phonics
04-10-2015, 04:01 PM
Until Dawn is the only one I can think of that does it truly successfully.

Ian
04-10-2015, 04:05 PM
Plenty of games by the likes of Bioware, Obsidian, Black Isle and others in that ilk have decent character development beyond that of choosing their next skill.

I love the Witcher games but I'd argue that they're more a great portrayal of a well-defined character rather than allowing player-driven development.

Shindig
04-10-2015, 04:44 PM
I'm wondering if I have another 100 hour game in me this year.

Disco
04-10-2015, 07:27 PM
Blimey, where to start.

How about depth of character, story, and systems. Bethesda have a long history of making great worlds with very little in them.

Characters: How many good ones can you name?
Story: Morrowind main quest and Dark Brotherhood from Oblivion, other than that? Not so much.
Systems: Simplistic in the extreme, this one isn't even up for debate.

They aren't bad games (often broken at release but that's hardly uncommon), I've enjoyed some of them enormously and sunk countless hours into them but deep they are not. WHICH IS FINE, but imagine how much better they could be.

elth
05-10-2015, 12:25 AM
They're trying to be different games to character driven, story centric games though. It's a bit like criticising Minecraft on that basis.

No argument about the systems though, which get dumber on every release.

Mike
15-10-2015, 08:21 PM
New trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3IlHBBGCIw

Adam
16-10-2015, 10:43 AM
New trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3IlHBBGCIw

That trailer :drool:

Yevrah
17-10-2015, 11:41 AM
I've just cum.

Shindig
17-10-2015, 12:13 PM
Yay! Pre-rendered something-or-other! Even if this is great, its too close to MGS for me to bounce straight in. Damn open-world fatigue.

Yevrah
17-10-2015, 12:16 PM
MGS wasn't properly open world so you'll be fine shinners.

It's the tone of that video that made me hard and not just the content.

Shindig
17-10-2015, 12:33 PM
I disagree but not entirely. Plus there's also the fact I've got my eye on the Witcher and need to get Bloodborne off the clock. 2015's been one of those years.

Yevrah
21-10-2015, 09:43 PM
All the videos in for SPECIAL now.

http://bethesda.net/#en/events/game/fallout-4-special-video-series/2015/09/10/24

20 days to go. :drool:

Mike
22-10-2015, 07:51 PM
http://vault111.com/

Fan made but you can have a play with stats.

Baz
22-10-2015, 08:16 PM
I reckon this'll be the game that makes me play my PS4. :drool:

Don't get me wrong I played GTA5 a lot but I'd already done it on my 360.
(Far Cry can get lost though, was way too hard and boring.)

Mike
22-10-2015, 08:24 PM
Getting it on PC here, cheaper and mods where such a big part of Fallout 3 and Skyrim

Shindig
22-10-2015, 09:46 PM
Mod support's due for consoles as well, I think. And you'll have to pay for them.

Yevrah
23-10-2015, 06:49 PM
Looking at something like this, depending on what the final perk list looks like:

http://i62.tinypic.com/29pvtp3.jpg

I'll be playing on very hard from the get go, so Agility (for VATS) and Luck (for critical chance/hits - however that works in this version) need to be high. Strength is 6 to be able to take the strong back perk at level 2, Perception as 5 as the enemy markers on the map being reasonably visible is vital on that difficulty, with Charisma and Intelligence looking a bit pointless and Endurance the balancing number.

Oh and while I can't take the 10th off, I have got the 11th and 12th. Game on. :cool:

Yevrah
23-10-2015, 06:50 PM
Although, having said that, if you can build a settlement/get access to safe storage fairly early on I might dump strength too and go for max VATS and 7 in luck instead.

Baz
23-10-2015, 07:05 PM
Do stats really change the gameplay that much?

Yevrah
23-10-2015, 07:05 PM
They definitely change how manageable it is playing it on very hard.

EDIT: They were probably more important on Fallout 3 though due to the level cap, which this doesn't have.

Mike
23-10-2015, 07:46 PM
http://i.imgur.com/B8R99Ed.png
Getting close now.

Yevrah
23-10-2015, 07:50 PM
27 versions?

Ian
23-10-2015, 10:30 PM
There will be 27 different ways for you to buy a standard copy of Fallout 4 on November 10. No, this isn't another Watch Dogs pre-order chart situation - the game just has nine regional versions and three supported platforms.

Thank Christ. That could have spawned a (tedious) rant.

Baz
24-10-2015, 07:32 AM
Who's got the cheapest PS4 preorder? I'm not to fussy about it arriving a day early or whatever, cos I'll only start it on the 14th.

Yevrah
26-10-2015, 07:10 PM
The cash ins have started....

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/fallout-4-gets-its-own-beer-promises-hoppy-taste-a/1100-6431686/

Shindig
26-10-2015, 08:16 PM
They must've done Nuka Cola at some point. Man, I hate most of Gamespot's output.

Disco
26-10-2015, 08:18 PM
It's available for pre-order, the cash in started a while ago.

Yevrah
27-10-2015, 01:20 AM
They've never done Nuka Cola.

We're now under two weeks away. :drool:

http://fo4countdown.com/

Raoul Duke
27-10-2015, 08:18 AM
Pre-ordered last night, 9-11th Nov booked off :drool:

Demerit
28-10-2015, 02:57 PM
Where am I most likely to get this a day or two early..

phonics
28-10-2015, 03:10 PM
They've never done Nuka Cola.

We're now under two weeks away. :drool:

http://fo4countdown.com/

Especially when you consider than 7Up is regularly covered in Halo and Destiny players on the can. You'd think that'd be a way better marketing ploy than '17 year old who's good at Halo'

Demerit
29-10-2015, 09:07 PM
Ordered, weirdly I actually have an unplanned day off on release day!

Yevrah
29-10-2015, 10:19 PM
You lucky bastard.

If I had the 10th off, I'd get home from work on the 9th, go straight to bed, hit the alarm for midnight and play for about 10 hours straight. Quick power nap and then back on it about lunchtime.

Raoul Duke
29-10-2015, 10:38 PM
I'm waiting for Tesco to deliver it, but I'm going to stock up on supplies and go balls deep into it. Red bull FTW.

Yevrah
29-10-2015, 10:56 PM
What difficulty will you play on Raoul?

Raoul Duke
29-10-2015, 10:58 PM
Not sure. I generally don't go in for your kind of mega tough runs and just stick with the default.

Generally upping the difficulty just increases the time and I don't have much of that.

Yevrah
29-10-2015, 11:02 PM
From what we've heard so far I'm pretty sure it'll be an absolute piece of piss on normal though, so might be worth bearing that in mind.

Hard might be a good compromise if you can't be fucked with the slog of Very Hard.

Demerit
29-10-2015, 11:57 PM
Also got to wait for the delivery, I hate relying on my xbox to actually work enough to download anything.

It just decides to fuck about, and I imagine on the 10th the servers will be madness.

I did consider going to a midnight launch somewhere, but I'd rather just get my shit done in the morning and cream myself when postie rings the doorbell.

Demerit
30-10-2015, 11:43 PM
So I've watched a few gameplay videos and have now booked off the 11th and 12th too.

Yevrah
31-10-2015, 12:20 AM
Are there new ones out Dem?

Demerit
31-10-2015, 08:55 AM
Hadn't watched any as I didn't want to spoil it for myself, I just watched a 22 min gameplay video someone had posted, it was probably months old.

Yevrah
31-10-2015, 09:19 AM
Any linkage? I haven't seen that.

elth
31-10-2015, 11:37 AM
It's times like these I wish I had a system that would play brand new games.

Demerit
31-10-2015, 11:41 AM
Any linkage? I haven't seen that.

Just realised it's the E3 footage, but it's here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVOyMuT4mHE

Don't know if this has been posted too, the big leagues perk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z0W3hbrzxA

Yevrah
01-11-2015, 03:23 PM
Some early game screenshots have leaked from some Spanish arse who's already playing it.

http://imgur.com/a/7yIiP

Nothing at all spoilery if you've already seen the E3 stuff.

Yevrah
03-11-2015, 07:06 PM
Loads of leaked stuff here.

http://wccftech.com/fallout-4-leak/

Not too spoilery, but obviously read at your own risk.

It sounds absolutely fucking amazing.

Mike
03-11-2015, 07:37 PM
Staying well away.

Ian
03-11-2015, 08:02 PM
Is this the most excited you've ever been for a game, Yev?

Yevrah
03-11-2015, 08:11 PM
I think all things considered it probably is. Certainly the most I've been since I was an actual child.

Ian
03-11-2015, 08:15 PM
I don't know what the most excited I've ever been for a game would be. There may be a thread in it though.

Yevrah
03-11-2015, 08:26 PM
Will you be on this Ian?

All the perks and ranks leaked.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/102601/20151103/fallout-4-perk-rank-revealed.htm

Not really a spoiler as you'll be able to see it as soon as you start the game.

Yevrah
03-11-2015, 08:27 PM
There's some sort of hardcore mode in the game too. :drool:

Bam
03-11-2015, 08:39 PM
What sort of mug buys the pip boy edition of the game at £200!

Ian
03-11-2015, 10:09 PM
Will you be on this Ian?

Not at whatever the early doors price is and no doubt once I do play it it'll go the way of over Beth-developed games where I'll be in love with it for two or three weeks and then instantly lose interest and never return to it. I don't know why this happens but it does.

I will definitely, 100% be buying it at some point but having bought Oblivion, Fallout 3 and then Skyrim on or near release this one will be waiting.

Shindig
03-11-2015, 10:16 PM
Saw a bus stop ad for this. I must stay strong. GOTY edition, perhaps.

Demerit
03-11-2015, 10:31 PM
I've spent most of today at work searching the net for as much information about this as possible. Cannot wait for Tuesday.

Ian
03-11-2015, 10:34 PM
Despite the post above, I'm surprised I'm not more keen for this than I am.

Even though it's still what feels like fucking ages away I think Mankind Divided is dominating my what-I'm-looking-forward-to at the moment.

CJay
03-11-2015, 10:52 PM
As someone who has never played this series (aside from 10 minutes of Fallout New Vegas), how comparable to Skyrim is it? It's seems a bit more complex (what with VATS and all the different junk you can do stuff with. Is it easy to jump into without any prior knowledge of the series like I did with Skyrim?

Yevrah
03-11-2015, 10:57 PM
Yeah, you'll be fine.

Cord
03-11-2015, 11:08 PM
I'm starting to get proper excited about this now. Admittedly the last time I did that it was Rome II: Total War, so perhaps I really should be taking a lesson and setting expectations low to avoid disappointment.

CJay - I'd actually say Fallout is simpler than Skyrim, what with not having magic and shouts and suchlike. Guns make everything simpler, and VATS is entirely optional (it's basically just there for those that want to feel like they are playing an RPG). The story will be standalone, so you'll be good to jump straight in.

CJay
03-11-2015, 11:18 PM
Sounds promising. Cheers. Will most likely wait until Christmas or after. Games are so expensive on release. :(

Yevrah
03-11-2015, 11:18 PM
Yep, complicated stuff might be the sheer scale of modding weapons/armour and building settlements, but as both of those features are new we'll all be in the same boat.

Yevrah
04-11-2015, 07:14 PM
Build your own character here.

http://www.rpg-gaming.com/fo4.html

Raoul Duke
04-11-2015, 08:47 PM
Intelligence / Charisma / Agility looking good to me for Perks.

phonics
05-11-2015, 03:07 PM
Launch trailer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivStn8l6_9w

Nick
05-11-2015, 03:39 PM
I've never played any of the previous Fallout games and don't really know much about them, but have read everything in this thread as well as the links provided, and this looks unreal.

I wasn't mad keen on the idea of creating settlements and having people coming in and selling things, but it starting to grow on me and looks like you can kind of 'opt out' of that if you wish to.

The trailers have definitely whet the appetite and I'll be pre-ordering before the weekend. £40 on Amazon seems to be about the cheapest I can find it for. Downside is that I'm balls deep in GTA V at the moment and only about halfway through it.

Boydy
05-11-2015, 03:53 PM
I'm quite intrigued by this too despite not having layed any of the others. I might play Fallout 3 and New Vegas first though and wait for this to drop in price.

CJay
05-11-2015, 04:16 PM
From my experience, New Vegas felt very dated when I tried to play it last year.

Disco
05-11-2015, 04:27 PM
I've never played any of the previous Fallout games and don't really know much about them, but have read everything in this thread as well as the links provided, and this looks unreal.

I wasn't mad keen on the idea of creating settlements and having people coming in and selling things, but it starting to grow on me and looks like you can kind of 'opt out' of that if you wish to.

The trailers have definitely whet the appetite and I'll be pre-ordering before the weekend. £40 on Amazon seems to be about the cheapest I can find it for. Downside is that I'm balls deep in GTA V at the moment and only about halfway through it.

Don't worry, this game is unlikely to be at it's best at launch, holding off for a little while is probably a good choice.

Nick
05-11-2015, 05:21 PM
Don't worry, this game is unlikely to be at it's best at launch, holding off for a little while is probably a good choice.

Aye, that's a good point.

I'm stuck between wanting to get it early doors and be part of the EXCITEMENT(!) and not wanting to ditch GTA before I've finished it. If I do that, it'll be ages before I come back to it.

phonics
05-11-2015, 06:13 PM
I'm quite intrigued by this too despite not having layed any of the others. I might play Fallout 3 and New Vegas first though and wait for this to drop in price.

Did you play Skyrim? It's that with guns and a 1950s post apocalyptic pastiche. Just let this be your first one.

Yevrah
05-11-2015, 06:28 PM
It'll be amazing Boyd, so I'd recommend just jumping in with this one first.

F3 and New Vegas will still be reasonably playable in years to come I'd imagine, so you can always go back to them.

Baz
05-11-2015, 06:32 PM
I was thinking I waiting for the price drop but a) it'll never drop that low anyway and b) I wanna be involved in all the omg hype.

Dark Soldier
05-11-2015, 08:08 PM
Looks good for a 360 game.

Yevrah
05-11-2015, 08:12 PM
The graphics aren't really a problem when the art direction's so good.

Dark Soldier
05-11-2015, 08:15 PM
You know my stance on Bethesda so I'll bite my tongue.

Yevrah
05-11-2015, 08:20 PM
I do indeed.

Bam
05-11-2015, 08:20 PM
No, go on.

Dark Soldier
05-11-2015, 08:24 PM
No, go on.

Nah I'm too old to be the lone voice amongst the hype. I'll buy this, as I did 3 and NV, probably when its cheaper, and give my views then.

Yevrah
05-11-2015, 08:24 PM
That trailer by the way. :drool:

Savage Deathclaws look the absolute bollocks.

Yevrah
05-11-2015, 08:25 PM
Nah I'm too old to be the lone voice amongst the hype. I'll buy this, as I did 3 and NV, probably when its cheaper, and give my views then.

The impression I get, and I could of course be wrong, is that you seem to get bored of the games quite quickly having used an exploit to level up as quickly as possible. Which sort of negates half the fun.

Dark Soldier
05-11-2015, 08:35 PM
Not on Skyrim/Oblivion or any such. Fallout doesn't hold much allure so exploits I'm happy with. Although I've since attempted a no exploit playthrough on 3 and lasted about twelve hours. The fact you can get from one side of the map to the other in ten minutes on this concerns me a bit.

Yevrah
05-11-2015, 08:37 PM
Yeah, I've just read that it's 12 minutes on the Fallout 4 forums, which didn't sound great to me either, although apparently Skyrim's was the same (which I find hard to believe, but hey ho).

It'll really depend what's in the map as to whether that's a problem or not though I guess.

Boydy
05-11-2015, 08:41 PM
Did you play Skyrim? It's that with guns and a 1950s post apocalyptic pastiche. Just let this be your first one.
No, I hate fantasy. But a 1950s post apocalyptic setting really appeals.


It'll be amazing Boyd, so I'd recommend just jumping in with this one first.

F3 and New Vegas will still be reasonably playable in years to come I'd imagine, so you can always go back to them.

I don't really have the time to play it on release anyway (although it would be nice to be part of all the hype surrounding a new game for once) but I might get on it in December.

Toby
05-11-2015, 08:41 PM
There's no way you could traverse the whole map in twelve minutes on Skyrim.

Even with a horse that seems implausible.

Dark Soldier
05-11-2015, 08:42 PM
Skyrim took 14 minutes according to neogaf. It just had mountains you couldn't climb (unless glitch jump wahey) that made it feel far bigger due to forcing you to go round.

Dark Soldier
05-11-2015, 08:43 PM
It looks atmospheric from this vid I've got on anyway, guy you control appears to have asthma as he's knackered every five steps.

Yevrah
05-11-2015, 08:43 PM
There's no way you could traverse the whole map in twelve minutes on Skyrim.

Even with a horse that seems implausible.

I wouldn't have thought so too, but someone claimed they did it (albeit clipping through the mountains).

Thread on the map size.

http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1542540-opinion-about-the-map/

Dark Soldier
05-11-2015, 08:44 PM
The vid is here if anyone wants to see it, won't embed as some of you won't wanna see:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR_1Hdg4Rk4

Yevrah
05-11-2015, 08:49 PM
Only looked at the map as I don't really want to see the whole thing being run across, but it always pisses me off when a game has a map with dead space in it. Fallout New Vegas was chronic for that.

Toby
05-11-2015, 08:51 PM
I wouldn't have thought so too, but someone claimed they did it (albeit clipping through the mountains).

Thread on the map size.

http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1542540-opinion-about-the-map/

What does he actually mean by "no clipping" through the mountains?

That seems a pointless exercise given how vast the mountans are.

Dark Soldier
05-11-2015, 08:54 PM
What does he actually mean by "no clipping" through the mountains?

That seems a pointless exercise given how vast the mountans are.

PC consoles command, you can 'clip' through anything in the game, even out of the world. Its originally a dev feature.

Yevrah
05-11-2015, 08:55 PM
What does he actually mean by "no clipping" through the mountains?

That seems a pointless exercise given how vast the mountans are.

What he's getting at is that Bethesda originally said the map was as big as Skyrim without the mountains (i.e. more of it was actually playable as a result), so in fairness to him you'd need to turn clipping off if you were going to measure Bethesda's claim by running from one corner of the map in both games to the other.

If you didn't, then Skyrim's would obviously take longer to traverse (without necessarily being bigger) due to having to take constant detours to get round the mountains.

Ian
05-11-2015, 08:57 PM
Nah I'm too old to be the lone voice amongst the hype. I'll buy this, as I did 3 and NV, probably when its cheaper, and give my views then.

I agree with or at least appreciate it. Let's not be using words like"unreal." That level of game isn't going to come for a good while now, Oculus-type stuff aside, perhaps.

Toby
05-11-2015, 09:03 PM
What he's getting at is that Bethesda originally said the map was as big as Skyrim without the mountains (i.e. more of it was actually playable as a result), so in fairness to him you'd need to turn clipping off if you were going to measure Bethesda's claim by running from one corner of the map in both games to the other.

If you didn't, then Skyrim's would obviously take longer to traverse (without necessarily being bigger) due to having to take constant detours to get round the mountains.

Got you. Presumably Fallout has considerably more indoors than Skyrim did though.

Yevrah
05-11-2015, 09:07 PM
My main concern/fear at this stage is that from some of the promo stuff (not leaked footage) the shooty bits all look a bit tab A, slot B, ala Call of Duty. I liked the jankyness of the enemy layouts in the previous games and would rather that was stuck to ahead of a load of Michael Bay style set pieces.

Although I suspect I'm probably in a minority on that one.

Raoul Duke
05-11-2015, 09:16 PM
Trailer looks great - although I swear the "war never changes" stuff was ripped from something else? Also, what is the word the woman says after "would you risk your life for your fellow man, even if they're a $%$^$"?

I'm downloading the Pip-boy app for my phone :drool:

Yevrah
05-11-2015, 09:18 PM
Apparently you can crack that app Raoul so that other games (bar the one it lets you play from the off) are available.

Dark Soldier
05-11-2015, 09:18 PM
Oh Christ I've just seen an in game screenshot. I'll leave it there, enjoy the game lads, apologies if it seemed I was trying to shit on anyone's parade.

Yevrah
05-11-2015, 09:19 PM
Oh Christ I've just seen an in game screenshot. I'll leave it there, enjoy the game lads, apologies if it seemed I was trying to shit on anyone's parade.

:D

You what?

Dark Soldier
05-11-2015, 09:22 PM
http://cdn.segmentnext.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Fallout-4-111-1024x576.jpg

That

Yevrah
05-11-2015, 09:24 PM
:D

Looks like a real doll.

Shindig
05-11-2015, 09:50 PM
Man, I can't quite remember the last time people looked proper in a game. Infamous Second Son kinda?

Cord
06-11-2015, 11:35 AM
Trailer looks great - although I swear the "war never changes" stuff was ripped from something else? Also, what is the word the woman says after "would you risk your life for your fellow man, even if they're a $%$^$"?

I assume it was 'synth', presumably the same thing as the android sidemission fella in Fallout 3.

A map that isn't gigantic might not be so bad a thing. Skyrim badly outlived it's welcome with me with too many small tedious side quests and repetitive tombs/castles/caves. I'll take quality over quantity.

Though yeah, that face is proper rubbish. I'll just pretend she's a 'synth'. That's been beaten repeatedly with a shovel.

Demerit
06-11-2015, 12:02 PM
I assume it was 'synth', presumably the same thing as the android sidemission fella in Fallout 3.

A map that isn't gigantic might not be so bad a thing. Skyrim badly outlived it's welcome with me with too many small tedious side quests and repetitive tombs/castles/caves. I'll take quality over quantity.

Though yeah, that face is proper rubbish. I'll just pretend she's a 'synth'. That's been beaten repeatedly with a shovel.

I think there will be as many if not more side quests than Skyrim. For me a smaller/more accessible map works better because you don't have to spend half the time walking from quest to quest.

Fallout will (I assume) have more buildings too which makes it more interesting than Generic Cave #205.

I watched the run video, I think the graphics are actually quite good...

Bottom line is that if the story, characters, world design and side missions are excellent, then it not looking like Arse Creed Armageddon is fine by me.

Benny
06-11-2015, 12:06 PM
Man, I can't quite remember the last time people looked proper in a game. Infamous Second Son kinda?

What was that game where you had to interrogate people? Think it was a Rockstar game, I never played it but I remember seeing a YouTube video and it looked quite realistic.

Ian
06-11-2015, 12:17 PM
LA Noire?

Benny
06-11-2015, 12:22 PM
Could be, never played it. Someone have a look on YouTube (if you're bored) and give me a yes or no.

Disco
06-11-2015, 12:34 PM
Yes.

Boydy
06-11-2015, 01:20 PM
What's DS's beef with this/Bethesda?

Dark Soldier
06-11-2015, 01:29 PM
I'm leaving it out this thread, Boyd.

Boydy
06-11-2015, 01:33 PM
Post in general discussion/PM? Or point me to old posts where you've mentioned it before?

Yevrah
06-11-2015, 01:49 PM
It's fine to talk about it here. We don't always all have to agree.

Pepe
06-11-2015, 01:53 PM
I never managed to properly get into The Elder Scrolls games, they just feel lifeless and extremely repetitive to me. Fallout I enjoy much more, although Fallout 2 is still the one that I have enjoyed the most.

Yevrah
06-11-2015, 01:54 PM
I loved Skyrim, but I found Oblivion (which admittedly I tried after Skyrim) to be piss poor.

Nick
06-11-2015, 01:58 PM
I agree with or at least appreciate it. Let's not be using words like"unreal." That level of game isn't going to come for a good while now, Oculus-type stuff aside, perhaps.

Point taken.

Bear in mind that the last console I played was the N64 though, so you'll have to forgive the excitement. :D

phonics
06-11-2015, 02:10 PM
I think DS' contempt for the Bethesda games are the same as my issues but I find them easy to ignore so I'll just list a few of mine off;

Combat is tedious and has been for years, eventually you get good enough to mow everyone down (outside of Oblivion) and it goes from a chore to a bore.

There seems to be a lot of depth and then you realise that about 500 of the 550 characters share exactly the same script

The progression isn't that fun.

Lots of fetch quests.

The stories are always crap, the fun is from creating your own.

phonics
06-11-2015, 02:11 PM
I loved Skyrim, but I found Oblivion (which admittedly I tried after Skyrim) to be piss poor.

Yeah that's just not a fair comparison. Skyrim is literally Oblivion 2.0 with nearly 7 years of dev time between them. It's like critiquing Call of Duty 2 (a masterpiece) for not being Call of Duty 4.

Dark Soldier
06-11-2015, 02:22 PM
My dislike of Bethesda mainly stems from the fact the potential is there, its just filled with shite. The combat is laughably bad, I know quite a few don't mind it but it feels weightless and dull. The worlds they create feel hollow and bland after about ten hours in them, the script/NPC interaction is awful, animation is lol, the lore is tedious. I don't feel like I'm anything in the world really, despite them trying to implement aspects to make you seem so (conversations about you, fleeting NPC chat about you, guards going after you etc).

I just find it a huge shame as I'm a sucker for open world RPGs. The Witcher 3 devoured me, I put in roughly 220 hours. Dark/Demon Souls and the sequels are some of my favourite gaming experiences of all time. The Bethesda efforts just have too much that doesn't work for me. Build a new, proper engine, hire new animation artists, learn how to combat, adapt and learn. Since Oblivion everything has been near identikit, switch fantasy for wasteland for the Fallout games, which are just TES with guns essentially. I've bought Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3 and NV, and given each at least 20 hours. I want to love them.

Toby
06-11-2015, 02:32 PM
In stark contrast to the two above, this is enough to have me consider buying something to play it on.

Before I go down the console route, is there a PC-building thread on here yet and/or should I actually believe the PC-bores who wank on about being able to get something far better thana console at similar cost?

phonics
06-11-2015, 02:36 PM
It's probably worth getting an Alienware Alpha if you can't be bothered with us wanking on at you.

Disco
06-11-2015, 02:47 PM
Yeah, give me a minute and I'll bore you with some free advice that could save you money.

Toby
06-11-2015, 03:14 PM
People who offer advice to somebody genuinely interested are wonderful. I was referring to the "master race" sort of arseholes who get viscerally offended at the mere suggestions somebody might own an Xbox.

Yevrah
06-11-2015, 05:52 PM
Yeah that's just not a fair comparison. Skyrim is literally Oblivion 2.0 with nearly 7 years of dev time between them. It's like critiquing Call of Duty 2 (a masterpiece) for not being Call of Duty 4.

While that would be a fair comment, I played CoD2 after CoD4 and enjoyed it.

Oblivion's just a bad game.

Yevrah
06-11-2015, 05:54 PM
People who offer advice to somebody genuinely interested are wonderful. I was referring to the "master race" sort of arseholes who get viscerally offended at the mere suggestions somebody might own an Xbox.

If you want to be playing it come Tuesday in a perfectly serviceable fashion, with minimum hassle, just buy a PS4 or an XB1. I've got the latter, but most people (probably rightly) claim the former is the one to go for this time.

Disco
06-11-2015, 06:02 PM
You could equally buy a pre-built pc (like I did this time) and have it in the same time frame. As with everything it depends what you want to do with it.

Disco
06-11-2015, 06:04 PM
While that would be a fair comment, I played CoD2 after CoD4 and enjoyed it.

Oblivion's just a bad game.

It's the game that exposed their strategy, it's simplicity was very obviously on show and it really hasn't aged well.

Yevrah
06-11-2015, 11:29 PM
What's the strategy that was exposed?

When most other games companies are churning out the same shit year after year, with a different fascia, I'm not sure I get this charge.

Toby
06-11-2015, 11:39 PM
It may just be nostalgia in action but Morrowind seemed to have a far bigger and more varied world than Oblivion, and possibly even Skyrim. I had a great save on that until I did some mission where a molerat sort of thing followed me around and it glitched the fuck out when I attempted to cross some narrow bridge.

As for the query above, I'm not itching to buy it on release, so I probably will look in to a budget PC effort. I could get other uses out of that, whereas a console would end up ignored after a few months.

Shindig
06-11-2015, 11:39 PM
Yeah, there's so much filler to Bethesda and they wear the hour count like a badge of honour. Skyrim's miscellaneous quest log was just meaningless tedium. Plus there's the whole hero thing that gets sidetracked by having to do other people's dishes or whatever. That's not just a Bethesda problem but you can at least try to contextualise it. Fallout gets a pass kinda as you're just 'The Wastelander'. Any hero shit can be seen as incidental.

Tighten up. Make the time matter instead of, "Well, the Dark Brotherhood questline was aweesomekmeofjkdjklhdfjkldf!"

Yevrah
06-11-2015, 11:41 PM
Plus there's the whole hero thing that gets sidetracked by having to do other people's dishes or whatever. That's not just a Bethesda problem but you can at least try to contextualise it.

That's a problem in every open world game ever and none of them contextualise it.

Yevrah
06-11-2015, 11:44 PM
Oh and Shinners, as a reviewer, are you already playing this?

Shindig
06-11-2015, 11:45 PM
Nah, someone else is covering it. We're not on Bethesda's radar but one of us has the PipBoy edition or something daft.

Demerit
07-11-2015, 12:30 AM
I'm clearly in a small camp that loves Bethesda games. In fact for me, Mass Effect 1,2,3 is the only RPG I've enjoyed more than Skyrim and Bioware and Rockstar the only developers whose games I anticipate more.

On a side on, Mass Effect Andromeda omg omg omg

Yevrah
07-11-2015, 10:05 AM
Skyrim sold 20 million copies, so I'd hardly call it a small camp.

Demerit
07-11-2015, 12:05 PM
I meant in this thread.

Yevrah
07-11-2015, 12:19 PM
Fair enough, I don't really get the criticisms leveled at them either.

Mike
07-11-2015, 12:35 PM
It's downloading!!!

I'm very much hyped and excited for this! Had a Abuja Cola phone wallpaper for yonks!

Demerit
07-11-2015, 12:36 PM
Just got an email from amazon, its been dispatched!

If it comes on Monday.. :drool:

Disco
07-11-2015, 12:42 PM
What's the strategy that was exposed?

When most other games companies are churning out the same shit year after year, with a different fascia, I'm not sure I get this charge.

The strategy of moving their IP's away from system and writing driven games into action oriented ones. Understandable as it's a much wider market and it's easier to develop large fully authored areas but for those of us who played and enjoyed early Fallouts or Daggerfall and Morrowind the sense of an opportunity missed is very real.

Toby
07-11-2015, 05:04 PM
This was my first attempt at putting together a PC build even close to PS4 price: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/Rks9Mp

I've been laughing at a few articles claiming they'll get a build comparable to it, only to pick out all these cheap components, say "narrow advantage PS4" on virtually every one, and still come in over budget.

hfswjyr
07-11-2015, 05:12 PM
Yes, if you're solely going to play games, then maybe a console is the solution.

A PC does a whole lot more than gaming though.

hfswjyr
07-11-2015, 05:13 PM
Assuming you've got all the peripherals sorted as well? Monitor(s), keyboard, mouse, speakers.

Toby
07-11-2015, 05:20 PM
I just thought I'd give it a go because I'd seen so many people claim you can get a superior build at a comparable price. It appears to either be bullshit or based on significantly lower prices in the US.

I'd be planning to link it to my TV, so would need everything but a monitor and speakers. Which would include a suitable OS, so the total price is more like £400, and I'm not even sure what I've put together there would meet the minimum recommended spec for this.

Toby
07-11-2015, 05:38 PM
I think I'll just dig out my old N64 instead. I never did complete Majora's Mask.

Yevrah
07-11-2015, 10:54 PM
Just splurged on the digital edition with season pass. £75, but fuck it.

Raoul Duke
07-11-2015, 11:02 PM
It's unlikely you wouldn't have got it all separately anyway :D

Yevrah
07-11-2015, 11:08 PM
That is true. :D

I've been pissing around with that character creator thing again and I really can't decide on a starting build.

Perversely it was easier to do so when you knew you couldn't max out a character.

Raoul Duke
07-11-2015, 11:24 PM
So you can max out Special/Perks in this? Intriguing.

I like the INT perks so I'll be focussing on that.

Yevrah
07-11-2015, 11:27 PM
Yeah, there's no level cap and you can choose to put a 'perk point' into any of your SPECIAL attributes or a perk level each time you level up.

It'll take reaching level 270, or something nuts like that to get 10 in all SPECIALS and level up all perks mind.

Raoul Duke
07-11-2015, 11:33 PM
Well, that's awesome. I'm not really bothered about getting them all, but being able to pick up enough of things like strength etc. is very cool.

Demerit
07-11-2015, 11:34 PM
I love playing as a low intelligence character, but the INT perks out way it on the first play through.

If you haven't done that before please do, the way NPC's treat you is brilliant, they pity your stupidity.

Yevrah
07-11-2015, 11:39 PM
Not many of the INT perks took my fancy (and I don't care about extra XP since I'll be playing the game for hundreds of hours anyway), so mine might be quite low this time.

Ian
08-11-2015, 01:30 AM
I'd be going balls-deep in whatever the various intelligence and conversation stuff was if I was confident it'd make a difference. I'm trying to think of any RPG that made those as worthwhile as Planescape: Torment did, to be fair.

Raoul Duke
08-11-2015, 11:57 AM
I like the hacking side of things (and I'm a sucker for hunting weapon upgrade shizzle), so that's why I'm keen.

Yevrah
08-11-2015, 12:01 PM
Having been through the perks I think I can manage with this being the SPECIAL stats I end up with, or at least work towards in the first instance.

Strength 6
Perception 5
Endurance 3
Charisma 6
Intelligence 5
Agility 10
Luck 10

Which would take to level 18 to reach, 11 with Bobbleheads (if I can find them) but that would also mean not taking any perks to that point, which will probably be suicide on Survival difficulty.

Raoul Duke
09-11-2015, 10:33 AM
Tesco are giving me blue balls by telling me it's been dispatched today and that delivery is from today onwards :moop:

Raoul Duke
09-11-2015, 02:11 PM
Reviews are dropping like, well, nuclear bombs...

phonics
09-11-2015, 02:12 PM
Just to denote what DS is talking about with how crappy their animations are. See this GIF of a salesman attaching a clipboard to his arm as they've clearly copy pasted a Skyrim bip (skeleton/animation frames) onto him.

https://i.imgur.com/7gcVw9D.jpg

Toby
09-11-2015, 02:40 PM
I see what you mean, that will definitely ruin the game for me.

phonics
09-11-2015, 02:44 PM
Yeah, that's what I said.

People get awfully touchy when you dare mention that these games have issues, don't they?

Raoul Duke
09-11-2015, 02:46 PM
List of games without issues:

Yevrah
09-11-2015, 04:23 PM
Well gents, thanks to a big meeting at work away from home tomorrow this will be it from me until I get back at between 16:00 and 17:00 tomorrow.

For the lucky buggers among you that get to play it in 7 and a half hours, enjoy.

wullie
09-11-2015, 04:54 PM
I've never played any of the Fallout or Skyrim or whatevers but I'm tempted by this due to all the excitement around it. How sci-fi is it? I'm alright with post-apocalypse and all that but can't be doing with a load of monsters and aliens.

Cord
09-11-2015, 05:11 PM
Fairly sci-fi. It's got monster-y things (mainly mutated version of actual animals and then a few different forms of mutated humans) and quite a lot of robots but aliens aren't really a thing outside of a few easter egg type things you can find.

Very annoyed my copy didn't turn up today so I could get the inevitable 14 hours of patching and downloading out of the way before I could play it. I do miss it when you could literally just pop the game in and get going.

Dark Soldier
09-11-2015, 05:35 PM
While I'm the first to bang on about scores not being important with reviews, quite a few read like 6/7s whilst doling out 9s. Quite a lot of jank, bugginess, glitches, hard locks, crashes, poor animation etc. If it was a smaller dev, this would be getting way more flak.

Its not just this series that that pisses me off about btw, see Halo: MCC and the fact it was pretty much fucking broken for the first six months and the reviews it got (95 on Polygon oh fucking boy). Kinda highlights how useless the majority of reviews are these days.

Disco
09-11-2015, 05:59 PM
I've never played any of the Fallout or Skyrim or whatevers but I'm tempted by this due to all the excitement around it. How sci-fi is it? I'm alright with post-apocalypse and all that but can't be doing with a load of monsters and aliens.

There's monsters by the boatload, mostly fairly recognisable mutated versions of real world stuff alongside the human bandits etc.

Shindig
09-11-2015, 07:24 PM
Giant Bomb's quick look is concerned about the jank but Brad goes on about, "Well, they're dealing in scale."

7 years on the same tech. Same problems.

Raoul Duke
09-11-2015, 07:31 PM
From the reviews I've seen it's very much evolutionary, not revolutionary. If you liked FO3 then this is more of the same, but with a bunch of the gripes and annoyances fixed and a bunch still there.

The Giant Bomb video review is worth looking at to get an idea of it Wullie.

Mine hasn't turned up yet so hopefully it'll be here tomorrow.

Raoul Duke
09-11-2015, 08:12 PM
I think this is what I'm going to start with:

S - 3
P - 4
E - 5
C - 4
I - 6
A - 3
L - 3

Good all-rounder with the smarts to build fancy equipment (I'm quite excited by the crafting) but robust enough to deal with a ruck.

Built with: http://vault111.com/character/

Baz
09-11-2015, 09:18 PM
What difficulty is everyone planning on playing on?

Raoul Duke
09-11-2015, 09:47 PM
Whatever the default is. I can't be arsed with a brutal slog, although I'm sure Yev will, the masochist

Ian
09-11-2015, 09:49 PM
Yev's also going to play 700 hours of it so it makes sense that he'd want to slow his progress at least a touch.

Yevrah
09-11-2015, 10:31 PM
What difficulty is everyone planning on playing on?

Survival. For me, if you want to experience the harshness of the wasteland then it's the only way.

Yevrah
09-11-2015, 10:33 PM
While I'm the first to bang on about scores not being important with reviews, quite a few read like 6/7s whilst doling out 9s. Quite a lot of jank, bugginess, glitches, hard locks, crashes, poor animation etc. If it was a smaller dev, this would be getting way more flak.

Its not just this series that that pisses me off about btw, see Halo: MCC and the fact it was pretty much fucking broken for the first six months and the reviews it got (95 on Polygon oh fucking boy). Kinda highlights how useless the majority of reviews are these days.

They read like 7/10 reviews if those things are deal breakers for you. If they're not, then 9/10 is fine. Acknowledging that it's a fucking good game, albeit one with room for improvement still.

Shindig
09-11-2015, 10:39 PM
There's been room for improvement for 7 years now. They've just doubled down on 'hours of content'

Demerit
09-11-2015, 10:41 PM
Not trusting Royal Mail, gonna head out and get a midnight release

Dark Soldier
09-11-2015, 11:33 PM
They read like 7/10 reviews if those things are deal breakers for you. If they're not, then 9/10 is fine.

Leaving Fallout out of this, in general, they're not really. The majority still go and play a game/see a movie based off a quick headline sentence and a score. See Spectre for holy shit amazing reviews and very meh reactions from most of the audience.

I'd just like out and out honesty in reviews and if they're gonna give a bloody number, make it reflective of what they write, but then in the age of money talks its never gonna happen.

Demerit
10-11-2015, 12:33 AM
8% installed :drool:

Demerit
10-11-2015, 01:10 AM
Going in..

Demerit
10-11-2015, 04:49 AM
I'm so glad I don't have work tomorrow..

Baz
10-11-2015, 07:34 AM
04:49 am :D

Mike
10-11-2015, 08:26 AM
Games unlocked on steam and loaded up. Even if my internet dies tonight Fallout will be working in offline mode!

Yevrah
10-11-2015, 08:39 AM
I'm so glad I don't have work tomorrow..

First impressions Dem?

Demerit
10-11-2015, 10:41 AM
First impressions Dem?

It is so fucking good.

Without spoiling anything, I wish there was a little more pre-vault leaving stuff. But that's my only complaint.

Combat is improved, dialogue is excellent, the animations are actually good, I personally love the graphics, the world is a million times nicer to be in than F3, the settlement building is actually quite fun.

I put in 5 hours last night, just loading it up now so I'm going to spend the day wandering about. If the quests are fun then this could easily be a 500 hour life drainer for me.

Shindig
10-11-2015, 10:47 AM
How fun will that stuff be when you're trawling back to defend your base every 10 minutes?

Raoul Duke
10-11-2015, 12:00 PM
Can I suggest people who aren't actually playing the game and not contributing to discussion would be better off not posting in the thread repeatedly? Ok, we get it - it's an imperfect game. It's becoming tedious now.

Tesco have let me down so I've had to nip out and buy it from a shop. 500Mb patch (:moop:) and then I'm off to the Wasteland #morethanafeeling

Demerit
10-11-2015, 02:30 PM
How fun will that stuff be when you're trawling back to defend your base every 10 minutes?

Well im now 9 hours in and I've not had to, but thanks for your concern.

Dark Soldier
10-11-2015, 02:43 PM
Can I suggest people who aren't actually playing the game and not contributing to discussion would be better off not posting in the thread repeatedly? Ok, we get it - it's an imperfect game. It's becoming tedious now.

Okay I'll be back tomorrow boss!

Toby
10-11-2015, 04:14 PM
Yeah, that's what I said.

People get awfully touchy when you dare mention that these games have issues, don't they?

I just don't really get the point of going on about it. You've made it clear you don't like Bethesda games already. Those who do aren't really going to care that an NPC is badly animated.

Raoul Duke
10-11-2015, 04:39 PM
Spent a good few hours in there now, only got up to roughly the first mission. Nice set-up so far, but only just scratching the surface. Got some decent kit already and I think the crafting stuff will take up a whole bunch of my time.

So far it's been very reminiscent of FO3 - this mission I've just completed is very similar to the ranger/3-dog one from the last game. Overall it's been enjoyable thus far.

It'll be cool when I'm let loose to go mooch about/survive.

Yevrah
10-11-2015, 05:16 PM
I'm finally home, it's on. :drool:

Yevrah
10-11-2015, 05:49 PM
Decided on:

S - 3
P - 4
E - 3
C - 3
I - 2
A - 5
L - 8

What an intro by the way.

Mike
10-11-2015, 06:45 PM
After a small delay, here I go!!

Dark Soldier
10-11-2015, 06:57 PM
I just don't really get the point of going on about it. You've made it clear you don't like Bethesda games already. Those who do aren't really going to care that an NPC is badly animated.

I've bought the game now so I'm allowed to be negative :dance:

Yevrah
10-11-2015, 07:13 PM
I'm only a couple of hours in (out of the vault and mooching around where I used to live), but the sheer scale of what you can do in this seems staggering. :drool:

Pleb
10-11-2015, 07:17 PM
Dogmeat :cool:

This Deathclaw bastard is a right cunt.

Demerit
10-11-2015, 08:54 PM
Its taken 7 hours of in game distractions to walk to Diamond City, which is awesome by the way.

Baz
10-11-2015, 09:18 PM
:(

Shindig
10-11-2015, 09:26 PM
I just don't really get the point of going on about it. You've made it clear you don't like Bethesda games already. Those who do aren't really going to care that an NPC is badly animated.

If I'm having to reload the game five times to escape from the same computer terminal, this game has a fucking problem. I've had Skyrim and New Vegas lock on me (Obsidian in charge but still on Bethesda tech) so there's always the fear of something major like a save corruption. They've been like this for twenty years. TWENTY.

Toby
10-11-2015, 09:28 PM
Okay?

Shindig
10-11-2015, 09:29 PM
What I'm saying here is it's bricked my PS4.

Cord
10-11-2015, 09:38 PM
Early disaster, I appear to have given my character scabby lips that weren't apparent in the face design bit but are very obvious once he starts talking. And a bomb went off or something.

P_3
10-11-2015, 09:42 PM
Anyone playing as the lass? The ass on her in the video. :drool:

Raoul Duke
10-11-2015, 09:53 PM
Feral ghouls can 100% definitely fuck off, and I just blundered into an encounter with a goddamn mutated Yao Guai :cab:

Made some good progress with my starter town and cleared out a lot of the crap.

It'd be good if they could have it so you could remove your helmet during conversations. I look like some kind of steampunk stormtrooper when I'm just having a quiet chat with a smackhead old lady.

Power armour :drool: The skeleton of it (if you strip off the individual parts) looks mega.

Yevrah
10-11-2015, 09:55 PM
If I'm having to reload the game five times to escape from the same computer terminal, this game has a fucking problem. I've had Skyrim and New Vegas lock on me (Obsidian in charge but still on Bethesda tech) so there's always the fear of something major like a save corruption. They've been like this for twenty years. TWENTY.

My brother's playing on PS4 and he's been fine.

Are you even playing it yet? Were you abused by Bethesda as a child?

Demerit
10-11-2015, 10:01 PM
Early disaster, I appear to have given my character scabby lips that weren't apparent in the face design bit but are very obvious once he starts talking. And a bomb went off or something.

You can have plastic surgery in Diamond City.

What I'm loving so far is the diversity of side quests. It's no longer just fetch, fetch, fetch. To give an example, in one quest I've just done I've had to have a bar fight, persuade someone to fall in love with another NPC and then chase down some greasers who have stolen Nico Bellic's identical twin.

Demerit
10-11-2015, 10:04 PM
It'd be good if they could have it so you could remove your helmet during conversations. I look like some kind of steampunk stormtrooper when I'm just having a quiet chat with a smackhead old lady.


This.

I've just realised I've been walking around town with a gas mask on for the past hour

Baz
10-11-2015, 10:05 PM
:(Ordered. £36.01. :)

Shindig
10-11-2015, 10:08 PM
@ Yevrah

No, I just don't understand the obsession with 'content'. I finished Fallout 3 at 35 hours and thought, "Yeah, about right." New Vegas dragged on. Skyrim was 120 hours of "Fine, I'm done." I'm never replaying Skyrim. There's memorable moments buried amidst hours of tat.

I'll get it once the GOTY package hits. Might even just go with a cheap vanilla version because the idea of a £25 season pass for a game with "300 hours of content!" sounds daunting. I may have spent 200-ish hours on Metal Gear Solid V but that rarely felt like a grind. Same goes with Dark Souls. New Vegas burnt me out on their blueprint. And, again, if I have to restart 100 hours in because of some knackered scripting, I'm spent. You'll be fine though. You're single, have enough time to rattle through 20 years of FM and play 200 hours of Fallout.

No wonder she left you.

Yevrah
10-11-2015, 10:16 PM
No, I just don't understand the obsession with 'content'.

Great. We get that. About 8 times over now.

If you don't like Bethesda games, or they irritate you to the point they appear to, I've genuinely no idea why you'd bother playing them, let alone bother coming into this thread every 5 minutes to piss and moan about them.

You're droning on like a total twat.

Shindig
10-11-2015, 10:20 PM
If I didn't like them I wouldn't have bought the last three. In many ways the problem is how I play games but whatever.

Also, I review this shit. I've got a right to be pissy because I play a fucking lot of them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSOnEk1xgN0

Dark Soldier
10-11-2015, 10:24 PM
This thread isn't for negativity Shindig, it needs to be a big old love in.