I just watched a great documentary - the documentary thread, ja

[QE Harold Flair]

The Jinx - the Life And Deaths Of Robert Durst

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4299972/

HBO alway does great stuff - here's part 1 of 6 (all told it's nearly 5 hours), all available on Dailymotion. 'Stranger than fiction' comes to mind in this one.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2xz5fs

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Terror at The Mall is another HBO one to watch.

The ineptitude of the security forces there was something else.

[igor_balis]

Where dya look for good documentaries Harold? Whenever I try to google I tend to find shit websites that just have documentaries about 9/11 being an inside job and chemtrails and shit.

Actually, that goes for all of you.

[QE Harold Flair]

Reddit documentaries, usually.

I saw the Mall one a while back. Very good.

[Dark Soldier]

Yeah The Life And Deaths in Robert Durst is incredible, hard to believe its a real world tale at times. Similar to Death on the Staircase, which needs to be seen by way more people.

[QE Harold Flair]

Yes, saw that ages ago. I thought it was pretty popular.

HBO is the best around at true crime stuff.

[QE Harold Flair]

About Durst....

Does anyone else reckon that bit right at the end where he's seemingly talking to his other persona in the toilet was a ploy to be seen as mental? After being rearrested he was placed in a mental health unit awaiting trial.

[John]

There was a bit of a posting flurry about this on the old board, I'm sure. Great stuff, but absolutely horrible.

The two Joshua Oppenheimer docs about Indonesia are excellent. 'The Act of Killing', and 'The Look of Silence'. The first one initially seems like it might be taking a bit of a whimsical approach to such a horrific subject, but quickly gets past that and they're both genuinely powerful.

[igor_balis]

Simon Reeve is great for fairly low-key travel docs, especially 'Meet the Stans', and 'Places That Don't Exist'. All on youtube last time I checked.

The entire 5 hours of the BBC's Death of Yugoslavia is also on there, and well worth a watch.

[Boydy]

I saw a new Simon Reeve one advertised the other day - Ireland. :moop:

Those budget cuts must be hitting hard at the BBC.

[phonics]

I mentioned his Carrivean docu the other day. Theres a sort of 'youre probably not concentrating on this so i can get away with what i want' feel to them.

[Magic]

Watched Deliver us from Evil just then. Brutally difficult watch. So raw. And terrifying. The effects of child abuse are so long reaching and lasting.

[Spammer]

Watched The war you don't see a few days ago. Very, very good. John Pilger is a bit of a don.

[QE Harold Flair]

http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/catalog

:evictory:

[Magic]

Terror at The Mall is another HBO one to watch.

The ineptitude of the security forces there was something else.

I've managed to source this so plan to watch it soon.

At the moment I'm watching The Death of Yugoslavia. The first two episodes were complete ':D' at the Serb's sneakiness. The third episode the Croat War of Independence has just begun and now it's not funny anymore. :(

[Magic]

The best bit is when they call a Yugoslav CRISIS MEETING between the security council about the Croatians possible arms buying take back Knin from Croat-Serbs and thus fight the war with the JNA which would follow. It's in Belgrade and before Tudjman gets there (as he's late) they begin the meeting. Mesic is giving it the big licks from Croatia about it's all bollocks and so what if they are etc. The JNA general (in cahoots with Jovic (Serbian Chairman of the Council) calls for a break to watch the evening news before resuming.

Instead of putting the news on he puts on a VHS with Zagorec (A Croatian General) trying to convince two JNA senior soldiers to sell him arms for the Croatian special forces. It's a hidden camera and he's going on about war this, rebel that, Serbian terrorists etc, and between these clips you have clips of Tudjman publicly denying his government are secretly buying arms and want to talk peacefully with the Serbs in Knin.

Tudjman arrives after everyone has seen these clips and basically bows to the Serbs demands as they say they will release it to the public. :D

You'd have to laugh that this went on (loads of shit like this) but unfortunately it did lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths.

[Lee]

I watched that in the summer Magic, just before going to Croatia. It's a brilliant series. Just up the road from where we stayed was a bombed out hotel and at resort down the road were a few battered hotels that we went in and wandered around. You could see that these places were beautiful in their day and the state they are now in was an eye opener. I've got some photos somewhere.

The town is called Kupari and is apparently where Yugolav military higher ups went for holidays. The beach was beautiful and very lively. It was used mainly by locals and while we were there we couldn't help but look at anybody above the age of thirty knowing that they were enjoying themselves in view of the results of horrific damage they may well have seen happen when they were younger.

Dubrovnik is good for signs of the war too. In fact Dubrovnik is brilliant, full stop.

[Lee]

Kupari:

http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/08/23/the-bay-of-abandoned-hotels/

[Giggles]

I thought I was going to watch The Toughest Trade tonight until I realised the article I was reading about it was from March :moop:

http://www.balls.ie/football/david-bentley-gaa-quote-453453/250611

[Boydy]

There's an interesting documentary about Paul (the apostle) with David Suchet on iPlayer at the minute. I started watching it last night but was too tired and fell asleep.

[Yevrah]

What a stunning recommendation that is. :D

[ScousePig]

I'll have to watch The Death of Yugoslavia at some point. I remember reading up on it a bit when I was in Ljubljana in their history museum a couple of years ago, before going down to Zagreb. The hostel manager in one of the places I stayed in Slovenia wasn't a big fan of Croatia generally, I got the impression*. Then this year when I went to Croatia I also went to Bosnia for a day trip to a place called Mostar, which was quite important during the conflict. It was a fascinating place, with plenty of building riddled with bullet holes. +1 on Dubrovnik by the way, amazing place.

*The overall impression I got was that nobody likes the Serbs.

[Lee]

I liked Mostar. I think it might have been Yev who said it was a shithole but I really enjoyed it there. It was bloody hot, I remember that much. We went to Montenegro too and it was beautiful. Probably second to Austria of the places I've visited in Europe.

[ScousePig]

Croatia is probably second to Slovenia for me, though there are standalone cities which I've preferred (Vienna being one of them). Our guide in Mostar told us it was the hottest place in Europe last summer, as they recorded temperatures around 50 degrees. I went in June and it was early 30s and both hot and humid, but not as much as Madrid in the summer which was in the early 40s.

[Lee]

It was bang on 40c when we were in Mostar. It was high thirties for most of the two weeks in Croatia which was okay but 40 was my 'fuck this' point.

[ScousePig]

40-42 would have been in Madrid for me (and it was to an extent) but I was constantly moving around, in and out of buildings and the shade, so it was bearable. It was climbing the flights of stairs to the apartment, or carrying my backpack around when arriving/leaving that was a killer.

[Magic]

Absolute lol, Lee and SP if you are interested in the Balkans then definitely read Trusted Mole. Watch the Death of Yugoslavia first so you get an overall picture.

I must admit the best part was when the UN were trying to negotiate a final peace treaty (Cessession of Hostilities Agreement), and the author is translating between the UN's General Rose who is with the Bosnians and Karadzic and his cronies in Pale. It takes 11 hours or something of back and forthing over wording of the document. Finally they agree on an absolute document but the UN read out the wrong version so they had to try and find the right one. Meanwhile the leaders of the BSA and Republika Sprska go in to a closed session for the umpteenth time to discuss stuff.

General Rose of the UN tells the author to interrupt and tell them they have the final and completed COHA agreement to read out.

The author bursts in and he expects to see them all agonising over maps and legal documents etc and he actually finds Karadzic and General Mladic playing chess with the army and other senior politicians cheering and jeering. :D

[Magic]

Terror at The Mall is another HBO one to watch.

The ineptitude of the security forces there was something else.

Watching this now with great difficulty. Amazed at how 'Western' Nairobi looked in the beginning footage.

[Magic]

well...that was horrific.

Also :D at the Kenyans. 3.5 hours to finally go in and the army and SWAT end up killing each other. Then they both fuck off for hours before the Army go back in where another 5 of them are killed by 4 amateurs. It's only resolved 2 days later when they fucking shell the shopping mall and set fire to it.

By the way those 5 plain clothed police and 2 civvys need to get some sort of recognition. Absolute heroes.

[Bob Sacamano]

After listening to a JRE with Michael Dowd on (Which I'd highly recommend, he has great stories) I thought I'd check out 'The Seven Five', which is fucking awesome, it really makes you wanna be a cop in 80's New York :drool:

Oh and Kenny is a bigger scumbag than Mike.

[Magic]

I know there's a thread but I'm not finished it yet but still wanted to make this suggestion; Making a Murderer has utterly disgusting similarities to The Thin Blue Line.

[John]

Just noticed I haven't recommended 'Dear Zachary' in here yet. I recommend 'Dear Zachary.'

[Magic]

Downloading:

Dear Zachary
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised (about Chavez Coup)
Fog of War
World at War (ITV Mini series)

Fuck me mini series? It's got 26 episodes!

[Magic]

Bored so going to start watching World At War.

[Spammer]

Capturing the Friedmans is decent too.

What were you bored of? Dear Zachary? Keep watching it.

[Magic]

No lol, bored of work.

The Revolution one about Chavez was short and sweet, hideous quality though and very little background info. If you didn't know about the 'revolution' and Chavez etc beforehand it's quite difficult to grasp what is going on. I'd imagine it'd be much better if you'd actually remembered it happening at the time and then seeing the truth. It's only 1hr 15 mins long though but it just goes to show you the effect a little pressure and propoganda can do to an otherwise stable and democratically elected government. Lol at the US for playing the cards.

[Giggles]

Fifteen minutes into this 1916 Documentary that was bigged up because Liam Neeson was narrating, and all it screams so far is "made for Americans".

[Boydy]

Fifteen minutes into this 1916 Documentary that was bigged up because Liam Neeson was narrating, and all it screams so far is "made for Americans".

Did you watch Rebellion? Was it any good?

[Giggles]

Did you watch Rebellion? Was it any good?

It was fucking Downtown Abbey set in early 20th century Dublin. Horrendous.

[Boydy]

Oh god. I was gonna watch it but I don't think I'll bother.

[Giggles]

Oh god. I was gonna watch it but I don't think I'll bother.

Give it an episode and see, but I found it a huge disappointment and that seemed to be the general consensus.

[John]

After listening to a JRE with Michael Dowd on (Which I'd highly recommend, he has great stories) I thought I'd check out 'The Seven Five', which is fucking awesome, it really makes you wanna be a cop in 80's New York :drool:

Oh and Kenny is a bigger scumbag than Mike.

Just watched this. The music is terrible and offputting, it's very oddly edited, and so much of what's appearing on screen is pointless filler, so it's just as well the story it's telling is absolutely mental and compelling. The most terribly put together brilliant thing I've ever watched.

[Disco]

Just mainlined all six episodes of Jinx: Life & Deaths of Robert Durst.

Jesus fucking christ. I'm not sure what else to say about it, apart from if you've not seen it you should do so immediately. Don't read anything about it, certainly don't look up anything about Robert Durst just watch it, it's amazing.

[Disco]

In the same vein of really rather grim shit that I found in a Reddit thread the other day The Act of Killing is a fascinating window into an event I never really knew very much about. I'm also staggered that Herman (spoilers!) didn't get elected, he seemed a perfect candidate for public office.

I also watched the three Iceman things about Richard Kuklinski, excuse the pun but he is a chilling motherfucker. Surprisingly rational though, not the frothing psychopath or sadist that you might expect.Into the Abyss is up next, the last Werner Herzog thing I watched was him reading Where's Wally so I'm expecting something of a change in tone.

After all that I'm not sure, possibly a little clinical depression to round off the weekend.

[John]

In the same vein of really rather grim shit that I found in a Reddit thread the other day The Act of Killing is a fascinating window into an event I never really knew very much about.

I recommended that upthread. Brilliant isn't it.

You should watch the follow up, 'The Look of Silence'.

[Disco]

It's on the list.

The whole thing was a mental example of the victors, well, not even writing history, just rubbing everyones nose in it for 40 years. The scene with the guy who's dad had been dragged away and killed in the middle of the night and there he is watching them reminisce about it as if they'd been on a pub crawl or something. Just ridiculous.

[Yevrah]

Watched this last night.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0446610/

BBC originally I believe and now on Netflix.

Very thorough, harrowing and moving stuff. Would highly recommend.

[Magic]

I watched 'Fog of War', which featured an interview with Robert McNamara, former US Secretary of Defence during the Cold and Vietnam wars. It was pretty terrifying, but extremely interesting to get a first person view of the shit that went down (kind of). It also shows what utter disrespect these fuckbags have for human life, and the huge levels of intelligence they possess. These are who rule the world. No messing.

EDIT: A lot of the reviews say it's an 'insight' in to the mind of one of the world's most powerful men (at the time), but that's not the impression I got at all. Sure, some stuff may have been sincere but I felt McNamara told us exactly what we wanted, or what he thought we wanted to hear.

"Don't answer the question you were asked, answer the question you wish you were asked"

When you compare him to some of our current politicians it's frightening how shit they are.

[Spikey M]

102 Minutes that changed America on More 4. Always worth a watch. If you haven't seen it, watch it now.

[Shindig]

It's amazing to think how much footage there is of that. If that'd happened ten years prior, you'd have the news coverage and maybe a couple of shaky cams.

[Dark Soldier]

An Open Secret:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3677412/

Looking at abuse and paedophilia in Hollywood. They couldn't release the film so had to leak it as a DVDScreener. Its on Youtube:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfWFjWnuCQE

Dark, horrible, but a real eye opener on just how fucked the whole place is. Also has snippets of shows which, when taken out of episodic context, are pretty fucked up.

[Bernanke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoSmPkWmG4k

:drool:

[Bernanke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90CkXVF-Q8M

Leos climate change-documentary in its entirety for free.

[Max Power]

Finally got around to watching all eight hours of O.J. - Made In America. Incredible piece of work. Detailed and gripping. It's on the iPlayer at the moment.

[igor_balis]

I'm watching the shock of the new, by Robert Hughes. It is fucking brilliant.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3ne7Udaetg

[Bernanke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7AYyUqrMuQ

One of the best Vice-pieces I've ever seen.

[John Arne]

Just finished Skandal! Bringing Down Wirecard.
Wasn't expecting much, but it was very, very good. Probably helped by not knowing much about the story - never realised how shady everything was.

Now, I have basically a 24hr flight coming up, so any decent recommendations?

[Shindig]

Youtube recommended Dave Not Coming Back to me. I knew the story but seeing it play out largely on footage they'd shot was pretty tense. Never go cave diving. Or caving in general.

[Yevrah]

Cheers for the heads up on that one Shinners. I watched it and it was pretty gripping. Cave diving looks the shittest thing ever mind, even if it was safe.

[Spikey M]

What platform is it on?

[Yevrah]

Youtube Spikes.

[Yevrah]

I should add I had no idea about any of it going in.

[Spikey M]

Cheers. Cave Diving is high up on my "Yeah? Fuck that" list. Possibly top. But I do find it fascinating in a clammy palmed 197 bpm heartrate kind of way.

[Shindig]

Aye, I don't see the appeal of being that deep into the dark. It looks nice at the entrance of the dive so maybe there's some actual stuff down there to see. The film gets across how much discipline is needed to do it, though. And the lass coordinating the effort was completely on top of things.

[Yevrah]

Been thinking more about Cave Diving and I’m struggling to come up with something that has a shitter fun to danger ratio.

[niko_cee]

Deep sea exploration?

[Yevrah]

At least there are wrecks and utterly disgusting creatures to see when you do that.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm guessing cavers are all short (let's say 5 foot 7 and down), in which case I have no hope in getting into their heads anyway, but I'm with you. The best find being a dead cave diver from 10 years ago, no thanks.

[Yevrah]

Indeed. In the case of the documentary I couldn’t believe how shit that cave was. You’d have seen as much wandering into a spillage at Tesco.

[Disco]

It's climbing without the view and therefore almost completely useless.

[Shindig]

The flooded mine the bloke trained in was a lot more interesting.

[Spikey M]

I enjoyed the wet floor sign.

[Yevrah]

Watched Take Care of Maya on Netflix, which despite being probably the most one sided thing I've ever seen did inadvertently raise some interesting questions and was pretty moving at times.

It's about a girl who has Complex Regional Pain Syndrome (me neither) - I'll post some thoughts if others have seen it.

[igor_balis]

https://youtu.be/LKdX_2ZGCXg?si=prLRD-34Sntgw38h

This is fucking fantastic. Azad is bloody useless.

[John Arne]

That was a cracking watch.

"Some Turkish dickhead" :D

[Spikey M]

Rubber dinghy rapids bro.

[John Arne]

This is fucking fantastic. Azad is bloody useless.

When he finally relented and they dumps the seats, they were literally burnt out car seats by the looks of it :D