The Ultimate WWE Thread

[Ian]

That's a good point, what is HHH going to be promoting for his entrance this year?

I reckon they'll have a Rogue One deal and he comes out in full Darth Vader get-up.

[Disco]

Has he been a viking recently, he seems to like that one.

[Browning]

Seemingly WWE changed their mind and the Tag Titles are no longer on the line at mania.

[SvN]

There's meant to be something big going on with that match which wouldn't work if the tag titles were on the line, apparently.

[Shindig]

That's a good point, what is HHH going to be promoting for his entrance this year?

I reckon they'll have a Rogue One deal and he comes out in full Darth Vader get-up.

Batman vs Superman, surely?

[Browning]

That was probably the plan for Taker vs Cena.

[wullie]

I'm glad the Usos vs Dudleys has been relegated to the pre-show. Such a Smackdown match.

[Bob Sacamano]

Aztec Warfare on Lucha Underground was just :drool:

Great to see Rey too.

[Browning]

Just watched WWEs top 10 most extreme WM moments and number 2 was Batista and Orton hitting a Batista Bomb/RKO combo through a table on Bryan. The only thing I could think was... what the fuck was Orton thinking? He crashes through a table and hurts himself and for what? I'm not sure having Orton's arm near your neck really adds to the impact of being Batista bombed through a table.

[Jeet]

Surely they are gonna announce what The Rock is doing at WM? Prob be the 4th member in The New Day match, suits him as he won't be able to moan about any injuries delaying his filming etc.

[Smiffy]

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[SvN]

I'm considering staying up too. Will probably watch the first hour at least.

[Smiffy]

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[SvN]

What an opening this is.

[Smiffy]

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[Gray Fox]

He missed the elbow, but fuck it that's so much better than a 15 minute authority promo.

[Gray Fox]

HHH is trying his ass off with these heel promos to try and draw the boos but it's just not working. HHH still cheered and Reigns still booed. Quite obviously too.

They've got to throw a swerve in there somewhere surely.

[Smiffy]

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[Gray Fox]

"I'd like to welcome my guest at this time. Roman Reigns."

"BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

:D

[Smiffy]

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[Browning]

All Red Everything gives me a reason to watch mania.

[SvN]

The last hour was a real shitshow. A shame, because the first two hours were great.

[Ian]

The boos for Reigns are hilarious. What they're going to do with him I don't know. Probably just grit their teeth and smile as they book him a face and he still gets booed.

And this whole Undertaker/Shane feud is a proper shitfest. Are we just meant to be on board with him being Vince's gimp?

[Gray Fox]

I read somewhere a way that WWE can still save this, if they change their perspective.

They made a point of saying this is like later stage Hogan. It's better to have the crowd united in booing a heel, than a split crowd with a face. They turned Hogan heel and it worked. Obviously it's not exactly the same situation but it could still work.

[Ian]

Another good reason for Shane winning would be it giving them room to change things up a bit for the heels.

Also, why is Reigns suddenly entering via the ramp?

[Disco]

Continuing to book Reigns as a face is stupid because it will never work, the only way to get him over is to turn him back heel (using the crowd reactions/boos as a motivation) and go from there. Unfortunately they've mismanaged their roster so badly that they think they have no real alternatives for headline faces.

[Gray Fox]

Also, why is Reigns suddenly entering via the ramp?

Because that's what faces tend to do and also because the crowd hate him, mostly.

[Browning]

The best way to get out of this mess would be to have Reigns screw Undertaker in the Cell match and turn heel there. That then leaves you with a shitty Heel Vs Heel Main Event but that will be shit no matter what. Vince then reveals he was in it with Shane the whole time and you have Shane and Vince running RAW while HHH and Stephanie run Smackdown and you book Reigns as a corporate heel and surround him with a decent heel stable.

They won't do it though.

[Disco]

'It was me Roman! It was me all along!' :drool:

[Ian]

Surely screwing Taker wouldn't be a heel move at this moment in time? I suppose it could be worked either way.

When are the big injuries due back?

[Browning]

Yea, I guess that's the problem with it really. Not sure how they've positioned it so badly where you have Taker fighting for a Heel Vince. Screwing Taker at Mania SHOULD always be a Heel move but yea.... it's tough to do now. That said Reigns is going to get booed whatever he does, which makes it easier.

Thinking about it though is Vince and Shane are the Heels then HHH/Stephanie are the faces.... and fuck that. So ignore me. There's a way out of it which is similar to what I said... but fucked if I know what it is at this point.

[Ian]

They've just booked themselves into a hole as usual. There desperately needs to be a shake-up as while HHH and Stephanie are good heels their act is getting stale but a Shane win, while I'd like more Shane and a face authority for a bit, feels wrong too. Meanwhile this build-up for Taker to just win anyway.... meh.

[Browning]

I think they key (no pun intended) will end up being the Lock Box that everyone has forgotten about. Maybe Taker wins and Shane has to give up the box, but he's stolen whatever was inside it, and uses it to get RAW anyway, or something shit like that.

[Lewis]

The Rock will interfere in the title match after Shawn Michaels does likewise, and then they will just have to hope that nobody boos them both.

[Browning]

7om would be turning in his grave. Or... his Wrestlemania seat, but he still won't be able to see.

[Ian]

I was trying to find his picture of the seat one day recently but failed. :(

I'd forgotten about the lockbox. Bet it contains a Vince/ Mae Young sex tape.

[7om]

The build up to this Mania has, shockingly, been dreadful but still not as bad as last year's which was just plain offensive.

Taker - Shane makes zero sense, Dean Ambrose has been made to look like a complete chump in every segment with Lesnar and the whole Reigns program is just embarasssingly poor. To be fair to Triple Haitch his sold his ass off trying to draw the boos but it goes deeper than anything he can muster up. People are sick of the manufactured bullshit and Reigns is just a s perfect example. No charisma to speak of whatsoever. And then you've got another multi-man match for the IC title which has no meaning at all and about twenty filler matches on the pre-show.

Back to Browning's point about this lockbox. There is no such thing. I'll bet anything it was chucked into the script at the last second in a futile attempt to build a bit of tension and it will never be mentioned again.

It's telling that on Stubhub you need to pay more for floor seats for the Friday NXT show than Wrestlemania's.

[Browning]

He lives!

[Ian]

Back to Browning's point about this lockbox. There is no such thing.

I've got an increasing suspicion that some of the results are rigged as well.

[Jeet]

Taker will win now after seeing Raw, Shane will find a loop-hole and control SD which means that match was worthless like the SS match with the Authority

[7om]

I've got an increasing suspicion that some of the results are rigged as well.

http://www.kayfabenews.com/vince-mcmahon-starting-wonder-wrestling-scripted/

[Jeet]

The build up to this Mania has, shockingly, been dreadful but still not as bad as last year's which was just plain offensive.

Taker - Shane makes zero sense, Dean Ambrose has been made to look like a complete chump in every segment with Lesnar and the whole Reigns program is just embarasssingly poor. To be fair to Triple Haitch his sold his ass off trying to draw the boos but it goes deeper than anything he can muster up. People are sick of the manufactured bullshit and Reigns is just a s perfect example. No charisma to speak of whatsoever. And then you've got another multi-man match for the IC title which has no meaning at all and about twenty filler matches on the pre-show.

Back to Browning's point about this lockbox. There is no such thing. I'll bet anything it was chucked into the script at the last second in a futile attempt to build a bit of tension and it will never be mentioned again.

It's telling that on Stubhub you need to pay more for floor seats for the Friday NXT show than Wrestlemania's.

You forgot the US title match aswell. Really makes no sense why that is not a ladder match and the IC title should be Sami vs Owens.

Heard WM will be 7 hours long - preshow etc. The crowd will be so wore out by the end they will have no energy to boo Roman - smart move WWE.

[Lewis]

Do you reckon John Cena's injury was a work to make everybody realise how shit everything is without him?

[Jeet]

They really should pair Eva Marie with a cocky Roman character as champion.

RAW the next night should be awesome though with the amount of NXT stars to debut.

[Browning]

Hopefully Bayley will be one of them. It'll be a great E-Victory for me when she gets called up to the main roster and instantly shits on everything Ric Flair in drag, Girl Sheamus and Horseface have done all these months.

[Ian]

Was about to respond to Jeet's Sami Zayn/ IC title comments there but luckily I noticed it was Jeet.

[Browning]

Actually, I don't think I understand what he means. Do you want the US title match to be the multi-man match and Owens Vs Sami? Or just for Kallisto Vs Ryback to be a ladder match?

[Gray Fox]

Hopefully Bayley will be one of them. It'll be a great E-Victory for me when she gets called up to the main roster and instantly shits on everything Ric Flair in drag, Girl Sheamus and Horseface have done all these months.

I think I'll flip out the day her music hits. More over than the entire 'Divas revolution' by herself.

[wullie]

I've got a feeling Bayley will be Tyler Breezed quicker than you can say Adam Rose.

[Browning]

I doubt it. I could see her being a big hit with Make a Wish which will cement her place at the top of the card (well, top for Divas anyway). But she deserves it too because she's awesome.

[7om]

Look at Browning spunking himself over an NXT wrestler before they've even debuted. Do I need to drag up some old posts where you've killed people for doing that?

[Lewis]

He only said that about all the crap ones. Isn't she often compared to John Cena? Exactly.

[Browning]

It's more a reference to you and waffelz laughing when I said she carried her matches with Sasha, which I maintain she did. Sasha came out the other day and said Bayley is the best on the roster so I'm already claiming the win. Sasha really has done nothing.
7om, of course.

Lewis knows. :cool:

[Browning]

Is anyone else getting the constant "WE WANT YOU BACK" emails from WWE? If you want me back so bad make me an offer, don't just mention one match that's on at WM. Offer me a free month or I'm staying put.... until Sunday.

[Lewis]

'What's your gimmick, love?'
'Well, you know how my dad is Ric Flair?'
'Oh yeah?'
'That.'

I still don't know why Tamina Snuka isn't allowed to just flatten everybody, since I'm more than happy to let them use Big Mammy Cool.

[Disco]

Let me win or my dad will murder you.

[Ian]

I'm still working on the assumption that women's matches are pointless. Am I wrong?

[Browning]

No. They will always be pointless.

[Browning]

So this all kicks off at 9:30 and runs until 4am. Fucking hell.

Edit- misread it. 10:30 start.

[Ian]

Just looking at the card again and that IC title match gets worse every time I look at it. It's hard to make a proper arse of a ladder match but other than possibly the slightly yawnsome Dolph Ziggler I'm not actually sure why most/all of those lot are getting title shots (other than to let them do a ladder match.)

Pick one and build a proper match.

[Disco]

Is that 9:30 on Sunday? UK time, I mean.

[Browning]

Yea apparently the US title match is a network exclusive thing starting at 5:30 EST (so 10:30 UK, not 9:30) and then there's a 1 hour pre show starting at 11.

[Browning]

Just looking at the card again and that IC title match gets worse every time I look at it. It's hard to make a proper arse of a ladder match but other than possibly the slightly yawnsome Dolph Ziggler I'm not actually sure why most/all of those lot are getting title shots (other than to let them do a ladder match.)

Pick one and build a proper match.

It's Money in the bank with a different name.

[Jeet]

Just looking at the card again and that IC title match gets worse every time I look at it. It's hard to make a proper arse of a ladder match but other than possibly the slightly yawnsome Dolph Ziggler I'm not actually sure why most/all of those lot are getting title shots (other than to let them do a ladder match.)

Pick one and build a proper match.

Reward for not being injured.

US title match build up is so shit with Ryback just chanting 'Feed me more' and JBL saying 'Big Guy always win' everyweek - What shite.

[Waffdon]

It's more a reference to you and waffelz laughing when I said she carried her matches with Sasha, which I maintain she did. Sasha came out the other day and said Bayley is the best on the roster so I'm already claiming the win. Sasha really has done nothing.
7om, of course.

Lewis knows. :cool:

Sasha is the GOAT, you nonce.

Monday is a public holiday so I'll be aw over this on Sunday. The anticipation is real. Owens/Zayn/Ziggler in a ladder match at Wrestlemania would have been pretty phenomenal - hopefully the other three don't make it

[Gray Fox]

Let's just take time to appreciate that Zack Ryder has a Wrestlemania match.

Also Bayley > All Divas.

[wullie]

Mojo Rawley's been carrying that team for months now too.

[Browning]

It's just hit me that The Rock's role is almost certainly going to be helping Reigns in the main event given his build up with HHH. They've tried that before though and it still failed.

[Gray Fox]

That was only raising his hand afterwards. Now if he actually came out and won the title for him...

People would hate the rock too.

[Browning]

Sad news, Mrs John Cena has been told she can't ever return full time. :(

[Lewis]

They should rush her into the Hall of Fame like they did Edge.

[Browning]

Agreed, Sting can wait. All he ever did was sit on rafters looking menacing anyway.

[Shindig]

And kill Rick Rood's back.

[Weaver]

Here are the Wrestlemania odds, from Paddy Power:
AJ Styles 1/4, Chris Jericho 5/2

The New Day 4/11, League of Nations 15/8

Sasha Banks 4/9, Charlotte 21/10, Becky Lynch 7/2

Kevin Owens 4/9, Zack Ryder 13/8, Sami Zayn 10/3, Dolph Ziggler 12/1, The Miz 25/1, Sin Cara 33/1, Stardust 50/1

Kalisto 4/6, Ryback 11/10

Total Divas 1/5, Team BAD 11/4

The Usos 2/5, The Dudleyz 7/4

Dean Ambrose 5/6, Brock Lesnar 5/6

Strowman 1/1, Wyatt 5/1, Henry 5/1, Orton 15/2, Kane 9/1, Samoa Joe 9/1, Big Show 14/1, Rowan 14/1, Swagger 14/1, Sandow 20/1, Slater 20/1, Rose 25/1, Dallas 33/1, Axel 33/1, Young 33/1, Fandango 40/1, Goldust 40/1, Breeze 40/1, R-Truth 50/1, Konnor 66/1, CM Punk 100/1, Shawn Michaels 100/1.

Shane McMahon 8/11, Undertaker 1/1

Reigns 1/5, Triple H 3/1

To make an in-ring appearance: Sting 1/50, Rock 1/25, Austin 1/12, Michaels 4/6, Foley 8/11, Bryan 5/2, Rousey 5/2, Beadle 5/1, Amell 5/1, Boogeyman 5/1, Kevin Von Erich 6/1, Tyson 6/1, Mayweather 12/1, McGregor 20/1, Dana White 20/1, Dez Bryant 20/1, JJ Watt 20/1, Jake Roberts 25/1, Jerry Jones 25/1, JR 25/1, Adam Sandler 33/1, CM Punk 33/1, Jon Stewart 33/1Tony Romo 33/1, Donald Trump 50/1, Hulk Hogan SUSPENDED.

There's also markets for 'An RKO to be performed?', 'Quickest battle royal elimination?' and main event of the evening.

[phonics]

I find it absolutely mental they let you bet on stuff like WWE and TV Shows.

Anyone with anything about them on the production team would make an absolute fortune.

[Smiffy]

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[Gray Fox]

If I'm reading that right Ryder is 2nd favourite to win the IC title? And they've suspended betting on the Hulkster turning up?

[Browning]

Who the fuck is Beadle?

[Smiffy]

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[Lewis]

I took that Intercontinental match as a way of weeding out the pish before Tonga Jeff turns up on Raw. They're surely not going to waste him in that shithouse Battle Royal.

[Ian]

Tonga Jeff. :cool:

(I've never seen a match of his.)

EDIT: Just went back to the Titanic to see when Lewis first called him that and found a post where I'd read an article with some chap calling Sami Zayn the world's best wrestler. I'll hope that I've only seen about 5% of his ability so far if that's to even be arguable.

[Browning]

Tonga Jeff had a few quality triple threats for the TNA Title, but I found most of his matches forgettable.

[Shindig]

When the other guys in the ring are Christopher Daniels and AJ Styles, you can probably sit back and relax.

[Lewis]

Tonga Jeff is interesting because he actually looks like he could fill people in, so if they just book him to go around doing that it works. If he starts cutting shit, WCW style promos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkGDVuIrF2Q) (fat lad facing the camera is a legend) or trying to be fun it sinks.

[Ian]

Watching some Wrestlemania X7.

Shane's coast-to-coast. :drool:

[Browning]

I have about 3 hours to kill on my own (which is a fucking novelty these days) so might give last night's show a watch.

[Ian]

Now watching the RAW after Wrestlemania 17 and Stone Cold just said to somebody in the crowd, "Shut up, ya little bastard." :D

[Browning]

Probably made his life. I'm still living off the time Ken Kennedy called me an asshole.

[Gray Fox]

There's now big rumors of a major surprise return at Wrestlemania. I'll spoiler it below.

Goldberg

He'd surely have to be in the Undertaker/Shane match somewhere. Unless he's taking Ryback down for trying to copy his look.

[Browning]

It was an April Fool, I'm sure.

[Gray Fox]

I really hope so. There is a much more likely one going around today.

I'm not too interested in that yet though. I need to watch TakeOver: Dallas. There's apparently a match of the year candidate in there.

[Ian]

Why is the US title match on the kickoff show?

I don't have particularly high expectations for it but still, that's a bit wank.

[Browning]

It's actually on before the pre-show even officially starts. They should have just put it on Smackdown.

[Ian]

That plus the tag-titles not being defended. Fuck off.

[Browning]

They have to fit in a 40 minute HHH promo to start the show plus his entrance plus various video package recaps of his opening promo and entrance. There is no other way.

[Ian]

Who's getting the entrance video featuring a bald eagle saluting Old Glory with a tear running down its cheek with Cena out?

I suppose the League of Nations are against New Day so them. Just have the eagle eating Booty-Os at the same time so it's more fitting.

[Shindig]

They'll roll that out when Trump takes the stage.

[wullie]

The US title match is meant to be opening the show, and I'm sure I read somewhere that the Andre battle royal is back on the main card too. Probably put the Roman Reigns match on Youtube instead.

[Browning]

It's "opening the show" in the sense that it's on the network before the official pre-show. It's on at 10-30 UK time.

[Waffdon]

The crowd at the NXT show :cool:

[Smiffy]

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[Baz]

Where can I watch this Nakakura NXT match from the other night that everyone's buzzing (I wrote jizzing but iPhone was having none of it :D) over?

EDIT: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3mxg9e_overxt-201614-2_fun

[Browning]

Rock has posted a video about how he's going to do the Discus Punch in tribute to Von Erich so looks like he's getting physically involved at some stage.

[Disco]

Reigns will commit suicide in a similar tribute.

[Browning]

"Holy shit" chant for an entrance. Fuck off.

[Mike]

Might do the months trial for the network, save pirating it.

One question though. I'll only be watching 'Mania on Monday evening with two friends, if I access it via the network, how likely are spoilers going to be?

[Browning]

What do you mean? There's no form of communication on the network and they don't publish results. Usually old shows have "time stamps" you can skip to and the time stamps will ruin the outcome if you look at them but if it's Monday morning they likely won't he there and if they are you either don't use them or just skip to the start of each match and not the end of said match.

[Mike]

Like now if you go on the network page, it tells you Sting announces retirement in Hall of Fame speech. Something that if I was interested in watching the HOF, I wouldn't want to know about beforehand maybe.
https://i.imgur.com/sgEHlow.jpg
If I log into the network Monday evening, curry on my lap and beer by my side, it isn't going to have a splash page with "Relive HHH amazing victory over Reigns' or anything is it?

[Browning]

I've never seen anything like that. Is that via a PC? I only ever use it via my PS4.

[Browning]

If you're using it on a PC, I'd advise going to:

http://network.wwe.com/?&

Instead of WWE.com. If you look at that now I can't see any HOF spoilers.

[Mike]

Yeah, Via PC. I asked elsewhere and they said to just bookmark the PPV section and I'll be golden.
Cheers:D

[Browning]

The Nakamura match was decent. I can't see it ending up as a MOTY contender, although I was distracted at points so didn't watch it too carefully, but it was very good. Nakamura is very impressive.

[Waffdon]

T'was pretty decent but nothing special. Good viewing. "holy shit" needs to die

[Ian]

People were chanting it when Foley came out for the Stone Cold podcast and he said something along the lines of "Man, this is an easy crowd."

That and "This is awesome" are now chanted basically every time anything happens.

[Browning]

That Bayley chant is amazing.

[Mike]

The Bayley match was better than the Nakamura one.

Bayley:wub:
https://secure.static.tumblr.com/4ad67da5eb71db8c008bc0bacb2f9510/wk4krbl/ZIlne2we5/tumblr_static_9v30n7t7tewo88o8gg0soc04_640_v2.gif

[Browning]

Glad to see my Bayley > Horse Face bandwagon is picking up steam.

[Gray Fox]

Change it from Divas back to Womens. Actually take it seriously and put Bayley on the main roster. Job done.

Bayley > all.

[Mike]

I've been a long term fan. When they finally gave her the title..... one of the best thing I've seen in Wrestling, and not just for Sasha Banks making that little girl cry.

[Lewis]

Change it to 'Ladies', and replace the belt with a sash.

[Browning]

I've been a long term fan. When they finally gave her the title..... one of the best thing I've seen in Wrestling, and not just for Sasha Banks making that little girl cry.

Same. I said at the time Bayley carried those matches, and she did. She's just so damn good.

[Smiffy]

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[Mike]

The reason it sucks on the main show is they're always crappy short matches with no build up. Sasha Banks vs. Bayley was like a 12 month build up wasn't it?

[Lewis]

On the other hand, Sasha Banks is a bird and Bayley looks like she uses a pram to shoplift.

[Browning]

Happens non-stop with women's wrestling to be fair, and always has. First one I remember was Molly Holly who was meant to save the division (though there were probably loads before her too), and there's been countless since, including the laughable claims that Cherry was some amazing wrestler being wasted accompanying Deuce and Domino to the ring and she'd save the division. Turned out she had no training whatsoever.

Bayley is the first one I actually believe could make a difference, but only because she's already known to WWE fans, and already over as fuck, way more than the other 3 were. Plus she's better than them. But if she fails.... it'll just be the latest name on a long, long, long list.

That was to Smiffy's point, of course.

[Lewis]

The 'Divas' Revolution' will go down as a footnote to the Bella Era, so they need another major re-launch.

[Browning]

Preferably with a new Mrs Cena st the helm. I guess his ability is sexually transmitted.

[Lewis]

He should have a kayfabe go on Eva Marie. Everyone hates you, love; but Never Give Up.

[Baz]

Why is Asuka pronounced Oscar?

[wullie]

What do you mean? There's no form of communication on the network and they don't publish results. Usually old shows have "time stamps" you can skip to and the time stamps will ruin the outcome if you look at them but if it's Monday morning they likely won't he there and if they are you either don't use them or just skip to the start of each match and not the end of said match.

Thankfully they've changed it with stuff they've put up since so it just has 'end of match' or something non-spoilery, but the older stuff is annoyingly there still.

[Weaver]

I posted some of the odds for the matches yesterday, but quite a few of them have changed and there's been some other markets added which I'll post unspoilered.

A referee to be knocked down in any match (Betfair): Yes 8/15, No 7/5
Any match to end in a DQ (Betfair): No 4/6, Yes 11/10
Conor McGregor to be named as any wrestler's opponent for Wrestlemania 33 (Betfair): 33/1
Shane or Undertaker to jump/fall/be thrown from the top of the Cell (Betfair): No 5/6, Yes 5/6
Total German Suplexes performed by Brock Lesnar (Betfair): Over 9.5 5/6, Under 9.5 5/6
Total Number of Chokeslams performed on the night (Betfair): Under 6.5 4/6, Over 6.5 23/20
Total Number of Finishers used in the Battle Royal (Betfair): Over 1.5 3/10, Under 1.5 9/4
Total Time for Undertaker to enter the ring (Betfair - From the first gong to the first foot in the ring :D): Under 5 minutes 4/6, Over 5 23/20
Triple H to use the sledgehammer (Betfair): Yes 2/5

And the current match odds, all from Sky Bet:
Total Divas 2/9, Team Bad 3/1
The Usos 1/16, The Dudleys 7/1
Kalisto 1/4, Ryback 11/4
Chris Jericho 1/2, AJ Styles 6/4
The Undertaker 1/5, Shane McMahon 100/30
Brock Lesnar 1/6, Dean Ambrose 7/2
New Day 5/6, League of Nations 5/6
Roman Reigns 1/8, Triple H 9/2
Charlotte 1/4, Sacha Banks 11/4, Becky Lynch 10/1
Ryder 4/9, Owens 5/2, Zayn 9/2, Ziggler 18/1, Miz 50/1, Sin Cara 66/1, Stardust 66/1
Strowman 13/8, Wyatt or Henry 5/1, Orton or Cena 6/1, Kane 9/1, Samoa Joe or Cesaro 10/1, Big Show 12/1, Rowan 14/1, Swagger or Rollins 16/1, Sandow 20/1, Slater 22/1, a bunch of others

There's quite a bit of variation between bookies but it's interesting how some of them have changed since yesterday.

If anyone's going to post about anything within the spoiler tags, spoiler it as well.

[Browning]

Some of those are very surprising.

[five time]

Wasn't Emma about as over with the NXT lot as Bayley is now? Purely based on her not having 'the look' I reckon she'll get Tyler Breezed on the main roster.

[Browning]

The Dudleys are fucking brilliant at the HOF.

As are the New Day.

[Browning]

That Bayley chant is amazing.

Just seen this originated on the UK tour. Of course it did. America wrestling fans could never come up with anything other than "LET'S GO BAYLEY".

[Waffdon]

Zach Ryder favourite? Eh?

Use spoiler tags you twat.

[Browning]

Hell in a Cell to close the night at 13/8 seems good value, given they've been saying it will.

[Jeet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_yWxB9VW0c&feature=youtu.be

[Jeet]

Betting odds.

I got Taker @ 1.80 Wed(1.17 now), Got 3.50 AJ Style this morning(1.53 now), Saw Owens @ 5.50, got on later @ 3.50 though (2.25)

Bookies have no idea wtf is happening lol

[Gray Fox]

Cesaro at 10/1 seems like a good shout. Could do with kickstarting his return(assuming he comes back here). Zack Ryder being a favorite is slightly worrying. Unless it means KO is moving up after Wrestlemania.

[Browning]

He's not the favorite.

Oh wait....

Now he is again. I checked it like half an hour ago and Owens was... but now Ryder is at a ridiculous 4-7 with Owens at 4-1. What the fuck is happening.

[Jeet]

To be honest Owens vs Zayn feud does not need the title on the line when they do face each other one on one, maybe too soon to but the title on Zayn, but will be good to put him over with a win vs Owens. Plus you get another feud\matchup with the IC title holder if that is Zack

[Pleb]

Amazing banter.

I'll catch up tomorrow...

[Ian]

So I cracked on with the Raws that followed Mania 17 for the Power Trip stuff. Austin gives Lita a battering with a chair that they wouldn't even consider airing now. She gets hit with it about ten times while she's on the ground and then he chokes her with the edge of it.

Then the following week Jeff Hardy defends the IC title against HHH and in a hilariously bad bit of direction the finisher and three-count are only shown in replays.

Then they're about to knock Lita about again and the Brothers of Destruction turn up. :cool:

[Dan]

Been watching Takeover Dallas to get back into things for Mania tonight. Just finished Sami/Nakamura & it was alright, although if it's meant to be a MOTY candidate I'm glad I've pretty much given up on wrestling again. Hopefully Bayley/Asuka will save it.

WrestleMania looks HILARIOUSLY shit as well. Someone it seems to get worse every year. IC Ladder match is probably the only thing that could end up being worth watching. Looking forward to the three hours exclusively dedicated to HHH, Rock, Taker & other Attitude Era/HOFer cameos.

[Jeet]

Renee Young :drool: Is that Nikki or Brie in the back?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfJf7dGW4AEMUWw.jpg

[Browning]

Looks like Nikki... but not sure why she'd be there dressed to wrestle, so it's probably Brie.

[Dan]

Asuka/Bayley did not save it, and I don't even care about Balor/Joe enough to watch that one, so I guess I'm pretty well prepared for an evening of disappointment.

[Browning]

First match starting now.

[Ian]

The size of Kalisto on that stage.

Also, having them wrestling in a half-empty stadium (even if that means there's still tens of thousands there) is shite.

[Browning]

King trying to be a heel really doesn't work without JR to tell him to fuck off. The other 2 just ignore him.

[Jeet]

Apparently some issue scanning tickets, so people are stuck outside

[Browning]

Advert half way through a match that's in an empty arena? Fuck sake.

[Ian]

And just to advertise the thing we're all actually tuning in to watch, in the middle of a show that is basically hours of promo for the thing they choose to advertise.

Fuck OFF.

[Dan]

'Michinoker' :D Close enough, I guess.

[phonics]

Who are these commentators? This isn't JR or Michael Cole.

[Browning]

I never thought I'd say this... but get Cole out there.

[Dan]

So is that the only match on the pre-show?

[Jeet]

That was shit. had a better match when they faced each other on SD

[phonics]

What's Reginald D. Hunter doing on Wrestlemania?

Is this a punditry panel?

Wrestling seems to have changed a bit since 2002.

[Browning]

No there's 2 more. Dudleyz Vs Usos and Team Bad and Blonde Vs Team Total Divas.

[Dan]

There are THREE pre-show matches?! :D

Absolutely fuck off. What are they going to fill four hours with? Even giving half the show up to promos & skits probably won't be enough to cover a card with about four matches on it.

I hate this. Please make it stop.

[Dan]

So Brie Bella wins this & retires, right? Eva Marie to eliminate four people & be given a place in the Divas title match as a reward.

[Gray Fox]

There are THREE pre-show matches?! :D

Absolutely fuck off. What are they going to fill four hours with? Even giving half the show up to promos & skits probably won't be enough to cover a card with about four matches on it.

I hate this. Please make it stop.

Triple H and The Undertaker getting to the ring.

[Browning]

i doubt it's elimination.

Lana. :drool:

[Browning]

Total Divas advert in the middle of a match that is literally an advert for Total Divas. :D

[Jeet]

Eva gets booed 3 sec's later pulls off a great move and gets cheered.

[Browning]

Yea, Eva looked decent enough. People should give her a chance.

[Gray Fox]

The last 2 'Manias have had shite build up but actually been quite good. This one has everyone injured and also very shite build up.

Tempted to stay up for this, although I have my alarm for work set for 5am.

[Dan]

Well if you're going to retire that's a pretty good move to go out on.

Nikki cameo because why the fuck not?

[Gray Fox]

Word is both Bellas are done. Nikki may move to part time but it's doubtful.

[Jeet]

Looks like she is up the duff with Paige tapping her stomach.

Don't give a shit about the Usos, so that's me calling it a night

[Jase]

Signed up to a free trial of the WWE Network for Wrestlemania. Haven't watched wrestling in about 15 years so I'm a total n00b when it comes to storylines. All I've learnt is that female wrestlers have got a lot better looking.

[wullie]

That must be the longest women's match at a Wrestlemania ever, until the proper one later at least. That bit where they all stood around awkwardly waiting to do their finishers would have been the entire match normally.

[Browning]

Super Christmas. :D

[Jeet]

Signed up to a free trial of the WWE Network for Wrestlemania. Haven't watched wrestling in about 15 years so I'm a total n00b when it comes to storylines. All I've learnt is that female wrestlers have got a lot better looking.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfJfx5xW4AASEqo.jpg

[Jase]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfJfx5xW4AASEqo.jpg

Crikey Moses.

[Gray Fox]

"And so it was decreed that the word "Diva" shall never be spoken again."

[Jeet]

Nice title.

[Ian]

I still won't watch the match but that's an improvement.

[Browning]

They must have spent ages thinking about the design. But I'm sure I've seen it somewhere before....

[wullie]

I like the belt, although saying it's the first ever women's championship is a bit off when they're going to parade a former winner for the hall of fame bit.

[Disco]

King laying it on a bit thick there for someone who, not very long ago, spent entire segments just shouting 'Puppies!'

[Jeet]

They must have spent ages thinking about the design. But I'm sure I've seen it somewhere before....

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/prowrestling/images/0/05/TNA_Knockout_championship.jpg

[Disco]

Wow....you can hardly tell them apart.

[Browning]

Not even what I was talking about. :D It's the same as the men's one.

[wullie]

Go to bed, Jeet.

[Baz]

On the pic up there, starting from the left, who are 3, 4 and 8?

[Gray Fox]

On the pic up there, starting from the left, who are 3, 4 and 8?

Natalya, Brie Bella and Naomi I think.

[Browning]

Nattie, Nikki Bella and Cameron.

Edit- Hmm... could be Naomi, but doesn't look like her to me. I'm fairly certain it's Nikki and not Brie.

[Ian]

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/prowrestling/images/0/05/TNA_Knockout_championship.jpg


Wow....you can hardly tell them apart.

:D

Laughed a bit too hard at that.

[Dan]

Right first time Browning - from left to right it's Alicia Fox, Eva Marie, Natalya, Nikki Bella, Paige, Brie Bella, Rosa Mendes & Cameron.

You wouldn't see that sort of behaviour from Sasha, Charlotte, Becky & Bayley. Hopefully new title + no more Bellas = the actual moment when they start putting some effort in with the women. Then again I've been calling that for probably three years now, so I won't hold my breath.

[Dan]

As always WWE video package people doing a great job taking the boos for Roman Reigns & swapping them with the cheers for his opponent.

[Baz]

Turns out Cameron is the GOAT :drool:

Anyway back to wrassle talk. Cmon Brawn Strowman, right!

[Gray Fox]

So I'm even more confident Reigns is taking it now.

The video promo has had booing inserted into all the HHH parts and cheering in the Reigns parts. Looks like they're going with burying the head in the sand this time.

[Gray Fox]

For the love of god Cesaro please return and stop Strowman winning the opener.

[Dan]

So I'm even more confident Reigns is taking it now.

The video promo has had booing inserted into all the HHH parts and cheering in the Reigns parts. Looks like they're going with burying the head in the sand this time.

Like their logo says, 'Then, Now, Forever'.

Anthem time :cool:

[Browning]

Even if Cesaro is there he won't win. Orton on the other hand....

[Dan]

May as well just give it to Big Show every year for all the difference it makes.

This is fucking dragging, even on mute.

[Browning]

Hogan to come in and body slam all 19 guys.

[Gray Fox]

Hulk Hogan to return and win one last title. You know, now that he won his court case :D

EDIT: Beat me by seconds damn it!

[Dan]

Looks like the ladder match is on first. Suits me fine.

[Gray Fox]

Hope Ryder gets a big pop.

[Dan]

How long have they had a German announce table? :D

Also, lol at Sin Cara's gear. How the fuck is Ryder wrestling in a title match on a Mania card in 2016?

EDIT: We're running the announce team gauntlet now :D Funaki making it worthwhile,

[Browning]

What the fuck is with all these announcers.... Lesnar to suplex Ambrose through all of them.

[Browning]

Funaki. :D

Hope he comes in and wins the title here.

[Gray Fox]

Who is going to take Kofi Kingstons 'I'm here for one big spot and that's it' bit?

One of KO, Zayn or Ryder to win please.

[Disco]

Funaki :cool:

[Browning]

Who is going to take Kofi Kingstons 'I'm here for one big spot and that's it' bit?

One of KO, Zayn or Ryder to win please.

Well, it's not gonna be fucking Stardust, is it?

[Dan]

That tope through the ladder was pretty ridiculous.

[Gray Fox]

It can be Sin Cara if they want it botched :D

[Browning]

It really is remarkable how standard moves keep people down for 5 minutes in multi man ladder matches.

[Browning]

Stardust just taking a nap on that ladder. :D

[Waffdon]

Mind blown

[Gray Fox]

And that's why he was favourite with the bookies I guess.

[Dan]

Okay then :D

[Browning]

Woo Woo Woo! You know it!

[Dan]

Seriously though, what the fuck happened to make Ryder a title contender again?

[Gray Fox]

Literally nothing. He's been off TV for like 2 years. He had a match against Jericho as part of the Styles feud and won via roll up.

[Browning]

He's Zack fucking Ryder, that's what.

[Dan]

Jesus :D

It must be great to be on WWE Creative.

[Gray Fox]

Styles is a Cowboys fan I believe, so this probably is a bit of a dream match for him.

But yeah Dan they make it up when they get to the arena these days. Rarely is anything booked in advance.

[five time]

Ryder looks like he's bulked up a bit since I last watched. Working out with Vince/HHH paying off. :drool:

[Browning]

Are they going to rename it to Total Women?

[Browning]

Have we seen the Styles Clash yet in WWE? If not.... there's your ending.

[Gray Fox]

Have we seen the Styles Clash yet in WWE? If not.... there's your ending.

Yes and they're trying to ban it too.

[Browning]

How was Jericho not disqualified. :D The inconsistency of refereeing needs investigating.

[Gray Fox]

Good match, wrong result I feel.

[Jase]

I'm glad Jericho won. I actually remember him.

[Gray Fox]

Okay, the New Day just won the night :D

[Jase]

Whoever these guys in Saiyan armour are are my new favourites.

[Browning]

Lillian botching the first thing she says all night. :D Unless I missed her announcing another match.

[Browning]

Maybe she didn't botch... seems WWE have changed their fucking mind on this match again. Idiots.

[Gray Fox]

I'm calling this devolving into a 4 v 3 brawl at the end with a surprise return/appearance making the save.

[Browning]

Is this happening? :drool:

[Gray Fox]

Well that was unexpected :D

[Waffdon]

Rusev's selling :drool:

[Dark Soldier]

That was FUCKING AMAZING :drool:

[John]

That was great.

[Gray Fox]

That'll get the crowd pumped for the street fight. Come on Ambrose.

[Browning]

Wow... betting odds on the Battle Royal are strange...

Cena is heavy favorite.

[Gray Fox]

Wow... betting odds on the Battle Royal are strange...

Cena is heavy favorite.

It'd get the crowd going and I wouldn't actually mind that.

[Browning]

If it's true, then not sure why they are (seemingly) putting it in the piss break spot.

[Gray Fox]

Because Vince will always have the women as the piss break spot.

[Browning]

"LESNAR MAY BE DOWN AND OUT"

Lesnar is on his knees and almost standing up.

[Browning]

Because Vince will always have the women as the piss break spot.

No, what I mean is, the Battle Royal is surely the piss break match, but if that spoiler is true, don't think it would be there.

[Gray Fox]

No, what I mean is, the Battle Royal is surely the piss break match, but if that spoiler is true, don't think it would be there.

There is a chance it isn't true. Though they got Ryder right.

[Browning]

Ambrose jobbed so hard.

[Gray Fox]

That was a bit of a let down to be honest. I expected a street fight to leave the ring more than the once.

I think I've been wrong on every result on the main card so far.

[GS]

I went to look what caused the excitement above. What scenes.