The Ultimate WWE Thread

[Smiffy]

Hopefully. He should never have come back after the Lesnar match.

I disagree in that he shouldn't have come back. He probably should have ended it before the next WrestleMania though.

Repeat what happened at the show of shows and have Lesnar win then go after the title, every time he gets close the lights go out and he's laid out courtesy of The Undertaker. Lesnar flips, says he'll kill The Undertaker etc etc, Taker' does his usual shtick, buried alive match only Bray Wyatt should have been the one filling the whole as the new face of darkness or whatever which would have led to Lesnar v Wyatt for some silly reason.

[Browning]

Yea, I was going to edit that post afterwards to say "He should never have come back to Wrestlemania". Who the fuck cares about him facing Bray Wyatt now the streak is dead?

I had no problem with him continuing the Lesnar feud, but he shouldn't be at WM anymore. Making people job to him at WM just leads to a position where he has to lose there again so he can "go out on his back", which he will because he's old school.

[Smiffy]

Wyatt would have been facing Lesnar. The Undertaker would never have reappeared after being buried alive.

I can almost imagine Heyman coming out with his client Brrrrrock Lesnarrrr and telling us how the streak is dead and so now is The Undertaker.

Cue Wyatt family coming out.

[Ian]

Youtube suggested I watch this today, a promo and match I like a lot but had totally forgotten about.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiJYv9hhLeg

"You got a cool costume, you got a cool mask, you're seven feet tall and you don't fight crime? Whatsupwitdat?!"

*squash*

The powerbomb, as well. :drool:

[Shindig]

Bumping on his knees. Then, now, forever.

[Gray Fox]

It's got to be years since the last time he took a non-knee bump now hasn't it?

[Jeet]

ProWrestlingSheet.com is reporting that Wade Barrett has given notice to WWE. According to sources, Barrett will not be signing a new contract when it expires in a few months. It's believed that his contract expires in June and it's unknown what he has planned once he leaves the company.

[Browning]

Next Bond. :drool:

[Ian]

Assuming he's planning to go somewhere that will actually use him fair play to him. Would have been easier to just keep taking the money and jobbing on Raw every so often.

Speaking of which, Raw was booked in very peculiar fashion. I didn't hate any of it especially (though assuming the Wyatts get booked against Kane/ Show/ Ryback that's a transparent and lulzy bit of booking) it was just all done in a really odd order for the last Raw before a PPV. Almost like they got the script and show order the wrong way round.

[Browning]

I only read the results but something seemed off about it to me too. Maybe it was Strowman main eventing though. Don't get me wrong, it's good to actually have a match end a show. I'm shocked it wasn't the Ambrose/Reigns/Lesnar fiasco.

[Lewis]

Do people still blame John Cena for ruining Wade Barrett? Because it's been five years and he's still pretty crap.

[Browning]

The last time I went to a live WWE event Barrett cut a promo about Toothpaste, so anything is an improvement on that. Taking that into account I think Don Cena probably made him.

[Lewis]

He isn't a particularly good wrestler (nor big enough to compensate for that), his voice is stupid because he has to emm-pha-siize evv-ry ssy-lla-ble so that Americans can understand him, and he has had a load of bollocks gimmicks. It's got to be a much easier life roughing people up in straight-to-video action films.

[Gray Fox]

Barrett was doing pretty well at the height of his #BNB gimmick. It was going well and was decently over, getting him near the upper mid-card. Usual murmurings of an upcoming push. But then he got injured and was out for a few months.

They tried to get some attention back by making him KOTR. But adopting the 'King' gimmick has never really worked out well for anyone.

[7om]

Do people still blame John Cena for ruining Wade Barrett? Because it's been five years and he's still pretty crap.

Is it because he's actually crap or because they've booked him like a twat for the last however many years?

[Lewis]

Probably both, since he's seemingly not made any sort of impression with his five(?) Intercontinental Title runs.

[wullie]

With the amount of time he's injured they must be hesitant to give him any kind of push. His current 'foreign man who doesn't touch anyone' is about as good as it'll get for him.

[Browning]

Barrett was doing pretty well at the height of his #BNB gimmick. It was going well and was decently over, getting him near the upper mid-card. Usual murmurings of an upcoming push. But then he got injured and was out for a few months.

They tried to get some attention back by making him KOTR. But adopting the 'King' gimmick has never really worked out well for anyone.

Maybe not lately but it used to be a big deal. I would say the two latest who made it work were Regal (briefly before he got suspended) and of course Booker T. Back on the day though it really did help people, it's only recently where it's turned into something you win so you can job all the time.

[Disco]

Austin being the prime example.

[Weaver]

WWE have announced that there will be a Cruiserweight Tournament over the summer, on the WWE Network, called the WWE Global Cruiserweight Series.

It's looking like there'll be 32 competitors, from across the globe, weighing under 205lbs (remember when Matt Hardy had to get down to 240 to feud with Rey Mysterio at Wrestlemania 19?) with the matches taking place at the NXT place.

Could be good if they can get some quality talent in, no names have been mentioned so far.

[Shindig]

I remember Chris Candido going for the Cruiserweight title in WCW when he was mostly hormones.

[Lewis]

Stone Cold's interview with Big Show was interesting, not least because of how he (successfully) justifies his position and constant face/heel turns. His impressions are pretty good as well.

[Ian]

I'm going to listen to that, Big Show comes across well in interviews I've seen. His Heyman impression (can't remember whether it was in the Heyman doc or Big Show's own) is hilarious.

[phonics]

I have had absolutely zero interest in wrestling since Y2K was a thing but I ended up listening to a podcast or two (I think it was the Paul Heyman interviews) and Stone Cold Steve Austin cutting a promo on the rats chewing out the wire of his chevy truck, his bronco and his polaris rangers was probably funnier than any stand-up comedy bit I've ever seen.

edit: found it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x74Y4sMUXqo

Genuinely one of the best things ever.

edit2: 'At the Rattlesnake ranch in Texas I probably got the most... athletic rats in the world'

[Gray Fox]

Maybe not lately but it used to be a big deal. I would say the two latest who made it work were Regal (briefly before he got suspended) and of course Booker T. Back on the day though it really did help people, it's only recently where it's turned into something you win so you can job all the time.

Yeah back in the day it was a worthwhile exercise. It was it's own PPV if I'm remembering right and having it once a year gave the winner something to see them through 5/6 months.

Now it only seems to pop up on RAW when they need someone to win it for the sake of having the gimmick. It's not even with any kind of regularity either.

[Disco]

I don't how long it's been like it but someone has mildly defaced the Owen Hart wiki page.

http://i.imgur.com/RLdEtdY.jpg

[Disco]

I have had absolutely zero interest in wrestling since Y2K was a thing but I ended up listening to a podcast or two (I think it was the Paul Heyman interviews) and Stone Cold Steve Austin cutting a promo on the rats chewing out the wire of his chevy truck, his bronco and his polaris rangers was probably funnier than any stand-up comedy bit I've ever seen.

edit: found it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x74Y4sMUXqo

Genuinely one of the best things ever.

edit2: 'At the Rattlesnake ranch in Texas I probably got the most... athletic rats in the world'

:D That's where you done crossed the line mister.

[Disco]

Just got to the big reveal of Vince as the Greater Power. :drool:

[7om]

One of the great moments in Raw history, that. Jim Ross' 'aww son of a bitch' reaction cracks me up every single time.

[five time]

Just flicked past Smackdown and Jericho seems to be morphing into old man Ric Flair by the day.

[Lewis]

I've become a big A.J. Styles fan since I realised that his Southern rasslin' voice reminds me of Jeff Jarrett.

'Broke six-thousand necks; never drew a dime.'

[Disco]

It was a shame when stopped spelling his name every time he came out.

[Smiffy]

.....

[Ian]

I'm looking forward to the main event and not much else. Two divas matches, Owens and Ziggler in their 78th match of the year, Bray's mates against some cobbled-together opposition and Chris Jericho's moobs vs. AJ Styles.

Meh.

[Smiffy]

.....

[Lewis]

I usually watch these at my friend's house (he has THE NETWORK), but he's blown me out because his sisters are arguing. I said I wasn't bothered (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mGumFMIONg) because we're adults, but no.

[Smiffy]

.....

[Disco]

Ziggler vs Owens is the stand out match there, I might watch that tomorrow.

[Gray Fox]

I have zero interest in anything up to Styles. He should win that as Y2J is now Y2Jobber to new talent.

The Divas match is annoying as Brie will win and it'll be because her fella retired a few weeks ago.

Ziggler v Owens has been done to death and neither really wins there. A strongly booked Owens losing unluckily or shenanigans and then going on to the top tier would be a good thing.

The main event could be so, so good, but the Wyatts will pull Lesnar out before he gets to the ring, or shortly after. From there it's only going to be Reigns. Vince thinks he has the look and he's a BIG GUY and what he says goes.

[Ian]

Meanwhile I've just watched Umaga (UNBEATEN! Unless you remember he was Jamal...) vs. Cena at New Year's Revolution 2007. Umaga owed Cena a pint after that one.

[Disco]

I'm on Stone Cold vs Undertaker at Fully Loaded 99, If Austin wins then Vince has to retire so I think we know which way this will go. After that maybe some Raw or a few more early NWO Nitros, I understand it goes to shit later but at this point (early 97) it's not bad.

[Disco]

Meanwhile I've just watched Umaga (UNBEATEN! Unless you remember he was Jamal...) vs. Cena at New Year's Revolution 2007. Umaga owed Cena a pint after that one.

It's like how John Cena has never given up......unless you remember those times against Angle and Benoit when he did.

[Ian]

You been watching full Raw episodes, Disco? I've not done much of that yet.

[Smiffy]

.....

[Ian]

Reigns isn't even that big in the grand scheme of things, he just has a Look and is big/strong enough to get away with being booked like a monster.

[Disco]

You been watching full Raw episodes, Disco? I've not done much of that yet.

I started at Raw episode one and I've skipped a lot of the low and mid-card matches but I've seen at least part of each one so far. When it gets into 99 then the standard improves dramatically, there's normally some shit involving Boss Man or Jeff Jarret that I don't care about though. It's interesting to see the things that never took off (or were always doomed to failure), for example they just debuted Beaver Cleavage and have been using a guy called Meat as part of PMS (Goldusts' wife and some other uncomfortably large boobed woman).

[Disco]

Reigns isn't even that big in the grand scheme of things, he just has a Look and is big/strong enough to get away with being booked like a monster.

You'd think they would have learned by now that if you want to book someone as a main face they actually have to get themselves over properly first. Die Rocky Die springs to mind.

[Ian]

"A guy called Meat"? That's Planet Stasiak, show some damned respect.

Once I'm done with the WWE PPVs (I've said before I'm not watching every match, just the ones I fancy or that reviews have as worth watching) I'll do the same for WCW and ECW. I may eventually get round to watch more of the Raws, Nitros, etc.

[Gray Fox]

This whole big guy thing is bollocks and has been for years.

There are occasional guys who are sub 6 foot tall, breaking through. Punk and Bryan the most recent examples, but for every one of them there's a Great Khali or Braun Strowman to come along.

[Ian]

Even Rollins who's just over 6ft was booked to look like a mongo half the time while he was champion.


You'd think they would have learned by now that if you want to book someone as a main face they actually have to get themselves over properly first. Die Rocky Die springs to mind.

They got some mileage out of having Vincent KENNEDY McMahon be the antagonist for a few weeks and some of the heat went when he didn't win last 'Mania but they have to be a bit concerned as to what happens if/when he beats HHH.

[Lewis]

You need some Big Guys. It's wrestling, and it has to have a 'larger than life' aspect to it (even the smaller guys had exaggerated gimmicks), because most people don't actually want to watch half an hour of rasslin.

[Disco]

Bootista all over again.

[Gray Fox]

I don't know if anyone is watching this but the scheduling seems odd.

Two title matches early in the card, followed by the womens title. Then came AJ/Y2J. Then for some reason a segment with Edge and Christian where nothing really happened but a feud between the New Day and L.O.N possibly starting. Then for some reason we got R-truth against Axelmania with the Social Outcasts and Golddust interfering.

[7om]

:lol: sums it up nicely.

That was so fucking bad it was bordering on parody. I'm not even mad about the main event. It was clear as day how it was going down. The rest of the show just simply sucked dick. Felt like an episode of Smackdown with boring matches that had no story and an unannounced R-Truth vs Curtis Axel match was the semi main event. Sums it all up.

I refuse to believe they are even trying anymore.

[Pleb]

I hear Don Cena wants to wrestle Taker? :baz:

[Jeet]

I hear Don Cena wants to wrestle Taker? :baz:

Taker to get that VJM award, then Cena comes in to hog the limelight and have a face-off.

If the award was made from wood, I would have said that gets smashed - is it made from glass???

[wullie]

Yep

http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/wwe_16_9_xl/public/2016/02/001_VJM_02192016gd_0086--c83da26e29c45e0bc1ca0e9f0c98d06d.jpg

[five time]

The name of that award reminds me of this.

https://proxy.bigfooty.com/forum/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwinemaking.jackkeller .net%2Faward84.jpg&hash=aa9d0090b9497d6eb49849645783714f

[Browning]

HHH winning it is surely a lock.

[wullie]

That was my assumption, but Jeet's idea of it being the way to get Undertaker back in for the ROAD TO WRESTLEMANIA makes a lot of sense too. Long shot, Bo Dallas gets it for finally ridding us of Flo Rida.

[Disco]

Lets see, they now have their own company specific hall of fame, their own award ceremony, and also whatever this other award is (some kind of lifetime achievement thing?). Could they be any further up their own arses?

[five time]

The Premier League will have a hall of fame in the next couple of years I reckon.

[Disco]

There's already an English football one but then there was already a proper wrestling one.

[Browning]

The Godfather is going into the HOF.

[Disco]

As The Godfather? Not exactly PG.

[Ian]

The Goodfather. :cool:

Fst Lane not as poor as I expected. IC title was better than I expected, 6-man tag was surprisingly tolerable just for being about the right length and having a surprisingly decent promo video before it, main event was about as I expected. Some nice two-on-one spots but it was a bit shit that Reigns just no sells the chair shots and gets right up to win the match.

[Lewis]

Baroque Les-nar ambushed Dean Ambrose in the car park before Raw, since he's well known for attacking people like a bitch. How do you book that as anything other than a squash? It's not like even a no contest is going to make the fans turn on Lesnar.

[Smiffy]

.....

[SvN]

Motherfucking Shane O Mac! I'm spazzing out like a 12 year old.

[SvN]

Holy shit at his reception. It's like Hogan after W18.

[Lewis]

I was recording it, but my friend told me to stick it on. :hail:

[Lewis]

Please be another McMahon feud.

[Lewis]

Has Vince McMahon just turned his falling stock price into an angle? It's like 1943 in the Third Reich.

[Smiffy]

.....

[SvN]

The fuck? Shane versus Undertaker at Wrestlemania :D Hell In a cell. Jesus christ, that came out of nowhere.

[Lewis]

Stone Cold helping him to screw Vince into retirement. :nodd:

[igor_balis]

Well, that was a surprise.

[SvN]

I don't know about anyone else, but surprise returns are my favourite parts of wrestling. I'll take a Shane O'Mac return over a 5 star match any day.

[igor_balis]

I don't know about anyone else, but surprise returns are my favourite parts of wrestling. I'll take a Shane O'Mac return over a 5 star match any day.

Absofuckinglutely. Bit annoyed that I turned on the stream with him already stood there though - surprise returns are even better when it is just music hitting out of nowhere. It always irritates me when they spoil their own surprises by pre-announcing it, or even having someone say their name a split second before the music hits.

[Lewis]

They ruined one of the great pops doing that when Bret Hart hosted Raw.

[Browning]

As cool as that is it does feel like a lose/lose scenario. Taker isn't half the wrestler he once was and Shane is likely the same. Plus the better storyline comes from Shane winning but there's surely next to zero chance of that. Guess the best way would be to have the wyatt's take him out for Shane but I just don't see taker putting him over.

[wullie]

I assume they didn't bring Shane back just for four weeks and to have the Authority continue as they always have, but then Dolph Ziggler saved the WWE and it was all reset within about 10 minutes so who knows.

The main event is an odd one again, even if they have HHH kick the shit out of Reigns every week people aren't going to suddenly back him again. People were behind Reigns when he was more like Dean Ambrose's handsome pal who didn't say much bar OORAGH and hit people, but having him easily overcome the short odds placed in front of him just puts him back where he was when even The Rock couldn't do anything with him. Still, they aced it with the main event last time so they must have something up their sleeve. Emergency MITB or something.

[Disco]

Coast to Coast baby. :cool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I've just heard.

I guess I'll be watching my first wrestling match in years.

Shane :cool:

[Weaver]

I guess Jeet was right, that 'award' has ended up being the way for the Undertaker to be brought back.

I reckon there's a chance that if Cena is cleared before Wrestlemania, they'll do the switch. IRL, Vince couldn't turn down a chance of Cena vs Undertaker over Shane vs Undertaker, surely?

Still, we can dream of Shane jumping off this years equivalent of the Wrestlemania palm trees, can't we?

[Jeet]

So HHH has his Authority and WWE title on the line at WM

[wullie]

http://i.imgur.com/s0Ydrh4.jpg

[Waffdon]

I marked like a bitch when my brother told me to watch after work. Absolute SCENES

[Smiffy]

.....

[7om]

https://vid.me/Tk4O

lol

[Ian]

Here comes the money. :drool:

Shane vs. Undertaker is going to be an absolute, no-win tragedy if it goes ahead (I've no idea why Undertaker would kayfabe agree to such a match anyway, but never mind.) That first hour or so was the best RAW has been in ages.

Ambrose and Lesnar is another where it's almost impossible for both of them to come out looking good.

[Yaysus]

https://vid.me/Tk4O

lol

what is he saying there?

[Pleb]

I turn around for one minute and ShaneMac makes a fucking appearance.

What a don :cool:

[wullie]

The street fight has to just be Lesnar battering him to oblivion with Ambrose refusing to stop. Then he makes a brief late comeback before getting beat, and Lesnar gets ready to kill him but decides on a 'you're alright kid' finger gun.

Hulk Hogan to wrestle on Shane's behalf.

[Gray Fox]

The street fight has to just be Lesnar battering him to oblivion with Ambrose refusing to stop. Then he makes a brief late comeback before getting beat, and Lesnar gets ready to kill him but decides on a 'you're alright kid' finger gun.

Hulk Hogan to wrestle on Shane's behalf.

He currently doesn't exist according to the WWE.

I'm going for a surprise Cena return to take Shanes place.

[GS]

I saw the video earlier, and I thought "he looks old".

Then I realised 1999 was 17 years ago and it made sense.

:moop:

[Browning]

No one is taking Shane's place.

[Lewis]

It's just the hair, like when Eric Bischoff stopped blacking it and immediately turned into his dad. He looks good for forty-six.

He should bring Kurt Angle back. :drool:

[Shindig]

Taker takes a dive and becomes Corporate Mark Calloway.

[Baz]

I got excited at the thought of Shane O'Mac versus Undertaker in a Hell In A Cell, until my mate reminded me wrestling crap and PG these days. :thbdn:

Shane's the type of guy who would have outdone Mankind's fall, had he been allowed.

[Ian]

At 46? Doubt it.

I'd love to be proven wrong but it's not going to be a late 90s/early 00s Shane match.

[Ian]

Watched a couple of Stone Cold podcasts tonight, haven't watched any before. Watched Heyman who was pretty much what you'd expect and Big Show, who I thought came across really well in his appearance as he did in his documentary on the Network. And I thought he handled the stuff about his face/heel flip-flopping and stuff like that really well. Seems a properly good guy.

[Disco]

Some nifty towel tactics too. Mark Henry is another guy who comes across very well in these things.

[Ian]

Watching the Vince one. It's got to the end, Austin says there's a minute left and Vince says he owns the Network and is having another fifteen minutes. :D

[Lewis]

I'm watching Hogan vs The Rock from WrestleMania X8, and lol at Jim Ross pretending that the crowd were split.

[Ian]

I had a good lol when I watched it last at just how one-sided the crowd were. Rock was getting booed for delivering clotheslines.

[Disco]

Jericho's entrance routine ruins his pop every time, the build up (countdown etc) worked the very first time but after that it should have just started with the music.

[Ian]

Still don't get the Undertaker's part in this thing but whatever.

Ambrose has grown on me and I'll be curious to see how HHH holds up.

[SvN]

I stayed up last night because The Undertaker was on. I couldn't believe what a total fucking waste of time it was.

I'd also say it was the worst Raw I've ever watched. And I genuinely mean that.

[Gray Fox]

I did the same and I'd completely agree. His entrance was longer than his promo and everything just appeared to be shit.

Ambrose is about the only good thing there now. Especially with AJ being sent for a tag title shot. Really needs a Nexus-style, Balor Club invasion some time soon to pick things up. I don't think I could sit through a WM knowing Reigns is going over while the actual top babyface is ignored.

[Ian]

I'd also say it was the worst Raw I've ever watched. And I genuinely mean that.

I dunno about the worst but it was pretty poor, if only because of the let-down factor. Undertaker-Vince was rubbish, I assume Shane was going to actually turn up at some point, nothing interesting going on with the matches, etc.

[Lewis]

I don't think I could sit through a WM knowing Reigns is going over while the actual top babyface is ignored.

John Cena is injured mate.

[Disco]

And Santino retired.

[Gray Fox]

John Cena is injured mate.

But he never gives up and rises above hate. He'll be there, I'm sure.

[Browning]

So they have a WWE Title match at "Roadblock" but not as their actual PPV? Fuck sake.

[7om]

Lol at Vince and his displeasure at getting zero reaction from the crowd. You put on crap you kill the crowd.

And also lol at them using Ambrose to try and get Reigns cheered. Just because Haitch cripples his mate they think Reigns will get automatically cheered when he wins at Mania. I look forward to the inevitable boos. Even then they still won't get it through their heads nobody wants this shit.

[Weaver]

Ambrose is about the only good thing there now. Especially with AJ being sent for a tag title shot. Really needs a Nexus-style, Balor Club invasion some time soon to pick things up. I don't think I could sit through a WM knowing Reigns is going over while the actual top babyface is ignored.

I'm sick of them not pushing D'Lo Brown, too.

[wullie]

I hear that.

[Jeet]

What was the point of Fastlane if Ambrose gets a title shot anyway...

Y2AJ is abit shit, wanted him to face Owens. Looks like we will get a 3 way between Owens, Ziggler and Miz. League of Jobbers still messing about with the US title.

Hopefully Bulletproof will debut in the Taker match.

[igor_balis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vXf53FN5Jg

:happycry:

[wullie]

Father Damo!

[Browning]

Someone just asked me a question to do with WWE in 2003, so to refresh my memory of that time I looked at the WM card from that year. How in the fuck did Vince McMahon Vs Hulk Hogan get more match time than The Rock Vs Stone Cold, and only 2 minutes less than HBK/Y2J and 20 seconds less than Angle Vs Lesnar. Fucking hell what a mess.

[Ian]

Because the WWE is/was a plaything of a man who didn't get to be a pro-wrestler but did inherit a wrestling company.

[Lewis]

I watched that match the other day. It was rubbish, but it would have all been worth it had Roddy Piper not botched taking his coat off. But he did, and it ruined the pop.

[Ian]

You working through anything in particular, Lewis, or do you just watch random matches as the mood takes you?

[Lewis]

I was looking at some old 'Mania cards and remembered the Piper bit being lol.

[Disco]

There aren't enough Titantrons in existence to accurately display Vince's ego, that's how this shit happens.

[Lewis]

That Mr America run was amazing though. They should bring him back if Hulk Hogan is done for good. :drool:

[Ian]

"Lemme tell ya sumthin, brothers, I'm not Hulk Hogan."
*repeat that exact line for fifteen minutes and call it a promo.*

They should have Big Show see out the rest of his career as The Showster.

[wullie]

The match at WM26 where the entire Hart family beat the shit out of a man in his late 60s got around the same time as the world title matches and twice as long as CM Punk and Rey Mysterio. I think the hall of fame Cole vs Lawler match had the same kind of thing too.

[Shindig]

Hyabusa's passed away. Pretty shit when you consider it wasn't that long ago he was able to walk back into the ring.

[Browning]

Bossman is going into the HOF. :cool:

[Lewis]

'To watch the Big Show cry about his old daddy for the very last time!'

[Jeet]

Jericho heel turn tonight?

[wullie]

With deepest regrets and tears that are soaked, I'm sorry to hear your dad finally croaked.

He lived a full life on his own terms. Soon he'll be buried and eaten by worms.

But if I had a son as stupid as you, I'd wish for cancer so I would die too.

So be brave, and get your life back on track. The old bastards dead and he ain't ever coming back

Bossman was ace.

[SvN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhSh35ryueA

Amazing.

[Shindig]

Damn, they pulled Bossman Behaving Badly from youtube. :(

[SvN]

Rumours of something big happening on Raw tonight. Either Sami Zayn or Cena, I reckon.

[Browning]

It'll be Cena. He's teasing something.

[Lewis]

Shane coming out and saying that Raw/WWE is shite doesn't really work if he loses at WrestleMania does it?

[SvN]

It feels like years since the crowd chanted "Asshole" at Vince.

[Smiffy]

.....

[Lewis]

I'm telling you. He's never getting anywhere with that music and those 'local talent' leggings.

[Smiffy]

.....

[Lewis]

What's the basis of that feud then? Who has the lowest standards?

[wullie]

I hope Jericho's heel turn includes trousers.

[Jeet]

Brock is no doubt gonna cause a Ambrose the title at Roadblock

Have a fatal 4way, bring Linda back to a MASSIVE pop next week and have a McMahon in each corner like 16 years ago!

[Smiffy]

.....

[igor_balis]

Maybe.

[Smiffy]

.....

[Gray Fox]

A bit odd this is on a Saturday.

The whole thing is pretty pointless unless some shenanigans go on in the title match, because we know Dean isn't winning.

[Smiffy]

.....

[Gray Fox]

Got to love Ambrose.

So we have the fake finish. Not seen one in a while and actually got me. So well done.

Gives them the ability to take Dean into the WM title match if they want. Though in reality Brock will turn up on Monday and destroy Ambrose to remind him they booked a match weeks ago and it will all be forgotten.

Lesnar v Harper/Wyatt was very weird. To squash Harper and never even get Wyatt tagged in just seems odd. I hope everyone takes the next 3 weeks to get used to seeing The Roman Empire from now on.

[Ian]

That was actually surprisingly good, all things considered. The title match did Ambrose a lot of good I think,. While I didn't initially know why the referee was saying it wasn't a three he did sort of pull out of the third count just as his hand went down so I knew something was occurring.

I've not seen any of Zayn's NXT stuff but he's done nothing especially interesting in his couple of WWE matches so far. Enjoyed both tag matches as well.

[Browning]

I'm sure they did "Ambrose won the title.... Oh no he hasn't" not long ago against Rollins, so it's just lazy to do it again with the same guy so soon. No real interest in watching this as all the winners were even more obvious than usual.

[igor_balis]

Ambrose Triple H was really good I thought. Though fuck Triple H for politicking his way into the main event of the biggest ever (in attendance anyway) WM.

[Ian]

I dunno if he'd been told to do it (either so the commentators could harp on about it, to give him a bit more depth or because HHH wouldn't be able to keep up if he was running about like a mental) but it was just interesting to see Ambrose wrestle a different sort of match to what he usually would.

[Smiffy]

.....

[Bob Sacamano]

Enzo & Cass :nod:

The Revival :sick:

The NXT takeover: Dallas card looks pretty good, Zayn vs Nakamura should be great .

[Gray Fox]

The HHH rubbish needs to stop. He's just out Ambrose over in a way that very few of the current roster could. Not for the first time either.

This is right.

He was a massive bellend back in his hey day, but he's okay now. He'd have a much better show running if Vince didn't keep sticking his oar in(see NXT).

He's just doing the only thing he can right now to try and save the Reigns push. There are zero other heels in the top of the card now, with the only other alternative being, having someone like the Undertaker having one last run, but people will just not accept a clean Reigns win over him at WM so it'd be pointless.
The thing working against Trips is the fans/booking team. They just wont accept the Reigns push at this point as he's been booked horribly. So they respond by shitting on any Reigns action and cheering Trips. Him and Vince had a legit argument backstage about this last week, but as long as Vince still owns it, he does as he wants.

[Jeet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWM-9oqhYGs

[Gray Fox]

There's supposedly a 'big return' tonight, so I'll be watching live to be disappointed in real time.

[SvN]

It'll be Roman.

Raw is starting now for anyone who wants to watch. An hour early due to daylight savings.

[Lewis]

'Day-light sa-vings!'
*clap, clap, clap-clap-clap*

[Gray Fox]

I'm hoping they find a way to get Ambrose involved in that main event.

The Lesnar/Wyatt situation was weird at Roadblock so I expect something more there.

[SvN]

Wyatt is injured, his back is fucked pretty badly apparently.

[Lewis]

It's quite lol that merely being associated with Wade Barrett relegates three good wrestlers to this.

[Gray Fox]

Wyatt is injured, his back is fucked pretty badly apparently.

Oh so is that why he just stood and watched the beatdown at Roadblock?

[SvN]

Yeah. I did think it was a really odd match, what with him just randomly deciding it was 2v1 and then not even attempting to get involved.

[Gray Fox]

At least he wont have to lose at Wrestlemania again.

[SvN]

I reckon Brock was late showing up, which is why they had a match first instead of this. Also explains why the beat down went on for ages.

[igor_balis]

Is it just me that thinks Ambrose is a bit of a wiener?

[Lewis]

He annoys me. The balding wank.

[Gray Fox]

He was always my least liked member of the shield back in the day but he's won me over.

I just wish he'd tone down the crazy ticks. We know the character is unhinged, we don't need reminding every 30 seconds.

[Lewis]

Classic rasslin' promo this.

[Lewis]

'You lot, you're just... You're rubbish.'

[SvN]

It's Trips' version of "Life SUCKS... and then you die".

[Gray Fox]

Throwback to when Dolph Ziggler mattered.

[Lewis]

He hasn't mattered since Kerwin White.

[SvN]

Sami Zayn must've come straight from walking his dog.

[igor_balis]

I fucking love Miz.

[Gray Fox]

So I'm guessing Reigns will make a save in the Ziggler/HHH match and cost HHH. Dolph gets his match, Reigns is back. Everyone loses.

[SvN]

Dolph will presumably throw himself into the IC title match.

[Gray Fox]

I'd have said he'd put himself in the Ryback/Kallisto match. KO/Zayn should be pretty good by itself.

[igor_balis]

"boo"

[Gray Fox]

Can't even do the save right. Boo indeed.

[Gray Fox]

That Neville/Y2J bit didn't look planned. Maybe a legit injury?

[Gray Fox]

I've just had a look about to see what actually happened in the Neville match.

If he doesn't have a broken leg/ankle then I'll be amazed. That looked nasty.

[Browning]

God, Wrestlemania really is shaping up to be shit.

HHH Vs Reigns is the most predictable main event ever.
Shane Vs Taker... the novelty has worn off. The build up sounds shite and the match itself will be awful if we're honest with ourselves. There's also no logical outcome as a Shane win makes a mockery of all the STREAK stuff but a Taker win kills the story.
Ambrose Vs Lesnar has some potential but I'm not really interested.
Rehashing the NXT Divas stuff is stupid, we've seen it all before.
The Diva tag match with Brie and Lana shouldn't be anywhere near WM.
The Usos Vs The Dudleys? Boring.

It's just all so uninspired, really.

[wullie]

Last year had way less buildup and was ace, so I'm staying optimistic. They can't just have Roman beat HHH though, people were booing him throughout the brawl.

[Browning]

The Mrs managed to lose my debit card a while ago so I had to cancel it. I've just got a funny email from WWE saying "Your payment has failed and your subscription has been cancelled YOU WILL MISS ALL OF OUR LIVE PPV EVENTS!!

OK then. :(

[wullie]

I switched accounts and therefore debit cards so I've been getting the same. I'll renew it for Wrestlemania anyway, but I'm hoping in the meantime after the fifth reminder some kind of special offer email kicks in.

[Jeet]

Could Dolph be getting a push as a heel? The Authority need someone else other than The League of Jobbers to do their dirty work/ Roman needs another feud IF they Shane wins

[Jeet]

What a don of a heel Jericho is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUDCJutY2GY

[Lewis]

It's not actually going to be Undertaker vs Shane O'Mac is it? Hogan interference. :drool:

[Ian]

I briefly entertained the idea that Dolph would win and sub himself in for or alongside Shane to a) be in a big match at WM and b) to stick it to the McMahons.

Taker just basically going "Nope" when Shane asked him why he's suddenly Vince's muscle was shit but otherwise I thought Raw was okay.

[wullie]

I'm hoping for all kinds of interference in that Shane match. Corporate Ministry, Mean Street Posse, Ron Simmons, Shane's kids, Steve Blackman.

[Ian]

Vince, Stephanie and.... well, probably not HHH as he'll be in the main event, will be there. If Shane is to have a chance (and they really have booked themselves into a corner here, yet again) somebody's going to need to come in and give him a hand.

It's in Texas, right? :drool:

[Disco]

Are Patterson & Briscoe dead yet?

[Browning]

Shane is undefeated at Wrestlemania, he needs to bring that up.

[igor_balis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khSI2shhoFE

[Shindig]

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_large/4/49702/2835085-0081763487-wwe-s.jpg

You no longer need to see their new movie. This is clearly the best part.

[Ian]

Googling random wrestling clips and ended up on this one:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xjggdw_the-rock-booker-t-segment-wwf-smackdown-08-02-01_sport

He was so good on the mic. Makes his appearances these days all the more tragic. I'd still go mental if his music hit on the next show, mind.

[Disco]

The Rock will never leave the WWF

:uhoh:

[Ian]

I'm now About ten minutes into Stone Cold's podcast with Paige and considering binning it. Quite aside from the fact that her parents seem like genuinely awful people she's really quite irritating. Dunno if she's nervous or if she always babbles away and tosses her hair about all the fucking time as she is in this.

[Gray Fox]

Is no one going to mention what's going on with the Undertakers hair?

The years look like they're starting to catch up with him too. I can't imagine it's going to stay as just Shane v 'Taker for long.

[Bob Sacamano]

http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/the-Undertaker-WWE.jpg

:(

[wullie]

He's still got it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9iY5vjCDzI

The hair's putting Shawn Michaels to shame now, he's approaching the full Heyman.

[Disco]

He's looked like a pensioner for years, Lesnar throwing him about like a sack of potatoes seems to have accelerated the process. Which is fair enough I suppose.

[Shindig]

Hogan's won his court case to the tune of $115m. And Sting retired the other day.

[Lewis]

If you're filmed by friends
When you bang their bride
I gotta take the stand
I can't let it slide

[Browning]

If you're filmed by friends
When you bang their bride
I gotta take the stand
I can't let it slide

Genuinely laughed at that. :D

What a legend. $115m. :drool:

[Lewis]

He should invest it all in WWE and book himself a title run.

[Ian]

If the E have balls they'll let Shane use that.

They won't.

[Lewis]

711009923690323968

:cool:

[Shindig]

That'll kill off Gawker and gaming news site Kotaku,

[Lewis]

Terry Funk. :cool:

[Browning]

Looks like Luke Harper will be gone for some time with an injury picked up in the post-RAW Dark Match. They really need to look at this now. So many talents are getting injured in pointless matches. They need to stop over working them.

[Gray Fox]

I saw something before that showed everyone who left last years Wrestlemania as champion is now out injured. Seems to be all the good ones are going down like flies, while we're subjected to Sheamus and the Social Outcasts.

Someone wrap AJ, KO and The New Day in cotton wool and bubble wrap.

[Disco]

Terry Funk. :cool:

He must be a loose sack of flesh, bone, and shreds of cartilage by now.

[Lewis]

He looked in pretty good shape. I bet he can still go as well.

[Ian]

If he can't even be arsed turning up once a week to mooch about looking EEEEVIIIIIIIIL what's the point in Undertaker? This is at least two years on the bounce he's almost entirely let other people run his Wrestlemania feud for him.

The IC title is also even more of a waste of time, which is some going.

[Gray Fox]

He has at least physically appeared this time. Twice!

He looks like he should be hanging it up though.

[Ian]

The gone-if-he-loses stipulation makes this such a mental bit of booking part of me thinks they might actually pull the trigger, only that for him to go out on a loss, having gone from 21-0 to 22-2 would also be shit.

Ugh.

[Lewis]

I thought that stipulation meant he's going as well (isn't he from the 'go out on top or on your back' or whatever it is school?), so they just need to make it look more credible than Shane McMahon knocking him off. Interference from Stone Cold would be my bet.

[Ian]

Stone Cold would be the obvious for something like that given it's all about Vince and Shane hasn't got anybody else onside. Match is even, Vince gets into the cell to try and finish Shane, glass shatters, good times.

[GS]

They're not going to finish Undertaker's career against Shane, surely.

[Ian]

It'd be shitter if they ended his career as Vince's gimp.

[Gray Fox]

'Taker wanted Cena to be his send off match and he's old school so Cena would be winning it.

No idea which way they'll go with it now. But they really need to stop referring to him as Vinces' bitch without explaining anything around it.

[Ian]

If Vince saying he's done if he loses is the entire thing then fuck that.

[Shindig]

They could just destroy kayfabe and go on about how Mark's loyalty to Vince and the WWE is how he's still here. And then something, something Corporate Ministry!

[Disco]

He should be attached to this...

http://i.imgur.com/BJcMclw.png

..after losing the match and be hoisted into the rafters and never seen again.

[Browning]

Cena will screw him over and they'll have a feud that ends at some other Pay Per View. He's not "done" if he loses he just can't do WM again, which he wouldn't anyway as this one is in Texas.

[Jeet]

Think Taker was holding out for Sting as his last match. Shane will win. Taker will have a match at Summerslam etc and retire at SS.

[Browning]

I have zero interest in Sting Vs Taker, but if Sting has one more match in him, good for him.

I do think Taker will lose his final match, and I think he has to lose to Shane... but I can't see this being his last match. I also can't see him going out having lost 2 high profile matches in a row, so he's got to have one final feud I think. Beat someone a time or 2 and then lose to them at Survivor Series and that's it. Go out where it all started.

[Shindig]

Sting retired days ago.

[wullie]

He's said that he's not officially retired yet, but you can't imagine him coming back.

I don't like Vince saying that if Undertaker loses he's done, as if he does lose Vince no longer has any power anyway. They should all just stay home and make a promise Shane will jump off the big screen or something.

[Jeet]

He's said that he's not officially retired yet, but you can't imagine him coming back.


May announce it at the HOF just for extra tears.

If Shane does lose, he'll prob takeover Smackdown as they are only mentioning RAW - have a Raw vs SD again! ........can't wait...

They should have had a ladder match with Kalisto and have Owens vs Sammi one on one.

[Disco]

Shane should be in charge of something, he should have been given his own show and roster years ago.

[Smiffy]

.....

[Disco]

The time for that has passed, they should have used the heel turn to break the streak.

[Smiffy]

.....

[Disco]

It was a bit pointless though, it's not like Les.nar being an unstoppable badass was in any doubt before he beat him. I'm not saying he's bad but he didn't need the push, his character was already super over.

[Browning]

Yea, I said for years the Cena heel turn should have ended the streak. It would have been incredible. Lesnar really didn't need it.

[Jeet]

Do we know the card order? Is Taker the main event?

[Gray Fox]

Look at 'Jeet thinking Roman Reigns isn't main eventing. He's facing HHH you know.

[Ian]

Triple H will probably open to get things off to a great start, the selfless motherfucker.

[Gray Fox]

He'll have to go on last to allow for his batshit crazy Terminator or whatever sponsored film entrance.

Because the fans love that shit.

[Shindig]

Featuring a holographic Lemmy.

[Browning]

It'll kick off with his entrance and by the time he gets to the ring everyone else will have wrestled. Except maybe Taker whose entrance should probably start about now. Thank fuck Orton is injured.